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ranger 02-16-2005 10:25 AM

WHAT IS SIN CITY?!
 
I know that the movie Sin City is coming out soon but waht is it ABOUT? I don't want people telling me they know but wanting me to wait bceause I don't care. If I see a movie preview I LIKE to know about it before I see it because even if people tell me it sucks and give me the storyline, I'll go see it anyway.

So if you don't like spoilers and want to wait please don't read this thread.

1. Who is Marv?
2. Why does Bruce Willis have an X shaped scar?
3. Who is the Yellow Bastard?

And any other questions you would like answered and spoilers you would like to share are more than welcome!

the_marq 02-16-2005 10:50 AM

Read the comics... you'll find your answers there.

yellowgowild 02-16-2005 08:31 PM

From what I've been told, Yellow Bastard is the long time enemy of Bruce Willis. He's yellow because he had to undergo gene therapy to re-grow his genitals after Bruce's character ripped them off.

aberkok 02-16-2005 09:16 PM

I haven't read "That Yellow Bastard," so I can't answer #2 and #3, but Marv is a huge thug from Sin City who's always getting into trouble. He's basically a bruiser for hire and spends his nights getting drunk.

The basic story of the original Sin City collection (which was gathered together from serials in Dark Horse Presents) goes like this: Marv takes a hooker named "Goldie" home, not knowing she's a hooker, and they spend the night together. He falls in love with her, but the next morning she's dead in the bed. No sooner does he realize this then the cops come a knockin'...he's been framed.

So Marv has to keep the cops at bay while he goes on his mission to find out who killed Goldie. Turns out there's much more at play than a dead hooker...

I'm very excited about this movie as all indications point to it being handled well. Now if they can only avoid it looking too much like the Dick Tracy movie.

Lockjaw 02-16-2005 09:32 PM

It's got Robert Rodriguez attatched as well as Tarinteno.
This movie is going to be awesome. Can't wait for it and I didn't even read the comic.

ironchefkorea 02-17-2005 12:02 AM

just think of it as the ultimate film noir.

ranger 02-17-2005 09:05 AM

I'd read the comics if I had access, but I currently do not. Otherwise I would have read them and not posted.

What does Bruce Willis's character do that he is required to castrate somebody?

What role does Michael Clark Duncan's character play?

Why is Jessica Alba almost always naked? (Not that I'm complaining...)

Bodyhammer86 02-17-2005 10:29 AM

Quote:

It's got Robert Rodriguez attatched as well as Tarinteno.
This movie is going to be awesome. Can't wait for it and I didn't even read the comic.
I second that.

FngKestrel 02-17-2005 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Lockjaw
It's got Robert Rodriguez attatched as well as Tarinteno.
This movie is going to be awesome. Can't wait for it and I didn't even read the comic.

Furthermore, Rodriguez insisted on being as faithful to the comics as possible. He even hired Frank Miller as the co-director. He green-screened a large portion of the film in order to recreate the look of the comic, panel by panel.

Here's the trailer if you haven't seen it.

http://www.apple.com/trailers/miramax/sin_city.html

Also more info in this thread: http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthr...light=sin+city

mmm...kyle 02-17-2005 08:04 PM

I must admit even after watching the trailer originally I had no real idea what this is about, a couple of posts in here have given me a bit extra on it. I absolutely love the way it looks, and am I the only person who thought it had a sort of Max Payne type feel to it all...?

FngKestrel 02-17-2005 08:47 PM

Max Payne would be an accurate assessment in that they're both film noir. If you like the way it looks, that's definitely a reason to see it. Frank Miller was very deliverate in his use of color and composition and Rodriguez wanted to recreate that deliberateness.

ranger 02-18-2005 05:32 AM

I have nothing against the cinematography, but I'm a real sucker for plot and character motives.

Does anyone have any insight on Clive Owens character Dwight? And why he looks like a washed up vampire?

warrrreagl 02-18-2005 07:32 AM

I was going to answer that Sin City was the nickname of Phenix City, Alabama from the 1940's and 50's, but I guess y'all are talking about something else.

m0rpheus 02-24-2005 05:21 AM

Here's some background for all of you without too many spoilers.

http://hem.passagen.se/fm4/sincity.html

Rawrr 02-24-2005 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by mmm...kyle
I must admit even after watching the trailer originally I had no real idea what this is about, a couple of posts in here have given me a bit extra on it. I absolutely love the way it looks, and am I the only person who thought it had a sort of Max Payne type feel to it all...?


Heh when I was at the theater and saw a preview for this I was like..hmm is this a Max Payne movie?! Till of course the yellow guy came up on screen..this looks to be a good one though!

trickyy 03-11-2005 10:21 PM

saw the trailer on tv
that was very cool, it has a lot to live up to now

i can't remember the last time i was interested in a movie based solely on the trailer. the 90's?

aberkok 03-11-2005 10:46 PM

Seriously if any of you are interested, go read the comics! I think you'll get a lot more out of the movie if you have the images from the comic in your head. I'm sure you'll enjoy it otherwise (provided it's as good as it looks), but you'll be dumbfounded at how the still frames are re-created in moving pictures. That seems to be what Rodriguez and Miller are going for.

Also, if I'm right, expect Elijah Wood to be cast COMPLETELY against type. If they do what I think they'll do, then you won't think about him in the same way anymore!

gnort 03-12-2005 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by aberkok
Also, if I'm right, expect Elijah Wood to be cast COMPLETELY against type. If they do what I think they'll do, then you won't think about him in the same way anymore!

I second that. Elijah Wood being cast as Kevin is a strange casting choice but I think it will turn out awesome.

I wonder how graphic this movie's going to get. Obviously they can't keep it exactly like the comics because an R rating would never fly. I'm guessing this flick will push the R rating to it's limits.

aberkok 03-13-2005 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gnort
I'm guessing this flick will push the R rating to it's limits.

I definitely hope so. You should all know that I'm a very, very sick person.

martinguerre 03-14-2005 07:00 AM

i'm definitely looking forward to this...it looks like it's beautifully shot, and the Miller writing shoudl make for a good story...

i wonder if that many big names can share the screen well...

Undercover_Man 03-14-2005 12:41 PM

Heh...I thought about Max Payne too when I first saw the trailer a week ago. This looks like a really good movie. If only they could cancel it and change the main character into Max Payne and have Mona in it too. It would be the best game-to-movie EVER!!!

Can't wait.

Shady 04-01-2005 05:25 PM

I just saw this movie tonight and was blown away. It was so good! I never even read any of the graphic novels. I loved all the characters and the rich dialogue. The heavy black & white was so cool. The whole thing was so stylized and very well done in my opinion. I can't wait to go see it again.

Rawrr 04-01-2005 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Shady
I just saw this movie tonight and was blown away. It was so good! I never even read any of the graphic novels. I loved all the characters and the rich dialogue. The heavy black & white was so cool. The whole thing was so stylized and very well done in my opinion. I can't wait to go see it again.


I agree just got back from seeing it myself.. what a movie..that's all I can really say..so much I'd like to say but would spoil it all just by talking about it. Go see it you won't regret it :)

It is a movie I'd watch again

former newt 04-01-2005 08:16 PM

What is Sin City? FREAKIN AMAZING.

watch Sin City.

QuasiMojo 04-01-2005 08:36 PM

Sin City
WoW...

on so many levels. WoW. Watching this made me want to go back to my comics. (excuse me, graphic novels)

X-men, Spider Man...Batman...great movies all. But Sin City takes it to the next level.
this is truly thee first "Comic Book Movie." Of course it works so well with the stark material of the original.
heavy strokes in black and white. splashes of color to round out the night...
No shortage of ink in Miller land.

And the story of getting this movie made is just wonderful.

I saw the first matinee show.

T'was a fanboy jaaaaaamboree. I loved it.
I hope this thread will be a long discussion.

lk_3000 04-01-2005 09:17 PM

In my opinion, Sin City is amazing. The cg went along great with the movie. Some stood out but the black/white made it more realistic.

RogueHunter65 04-01-2005 09:46 PM

I, as well, just got back from seeing this movie and I will say that It is one of the best movies I have ever seen. The movie has excellent action in it, some humor, and a great new film style. All in all, I would recomend or actually insist that you go see this movie.

holtmate 04-01-2005 11:14 PM

Just got back from seeing it myself. It was beautiful. They captured the look of the comics almost perfectly. I might have to see it again. Great comic book movie.

PoweredByPorn 04-02-2005 12:09 AM

Just saw it. I hadn't even heard of the movie until my friends suggested seeing it. Effing AMAZING. Dripping with style, I love it.

I'm heading to a comic store next chance I get to pick up the novels. I'm kicking myself for not having discovered it sooner.

Willravel 04-02-2005 12:17 AM

I'm going to go see it with the DLP projector tomorrow. I'd be willing to bet that the quality will be worth the wait.

PoweredByPorn, is that guy in your avatar the guy who came up with the Rorschach test?

PoweredByPorn 04-02-2005 12:20 AM

And to answer an earlier question:

Quote:

Originally Posted by gnort
I'm guessing this flick will push the R rating to it's limits.

Definately. Has stuff I've never seen in an R-rated movie, at least. I guess all the use of color (and lack thereof) also allows them to bend the rules a bit (if it's not colored like blood, it's allowable, if that makes sense).

PoweredByPorn 04-02-2005 12:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by willravel
PoweredByPorn, is that guy in your avatar the guy who came up with the Rorschach test?

It's the character from the comic series/graphic novel 'Watchmen' who calls himself Rorschach (after said test). He wears a mask with constantly-shifting black blots over a white background. THere's a lot more to the character, and I tend to ramble when I get on subjects like this, so I'll stop there.

If you're reading this thread, that means you're at least interested in Sin City, which means you would probably also like Watchmen. It's excellent. Go read it.

FngKestrel 04-02-2005 01:25 AM

If I recall, Watchmen is pretty gritty too. Not as gritty as Sin City, but still pretty forward thinking for its time.

Gilda 04-02-2005 01:37 AM

Ain't gonna see it. Uh uh. Ain't gonna see it. Mickey Roarke as Marv? Middleweight, shorter than me, and almost as skinny, freakin' Mickey Roarke as seven foot plus man-mountain Marv, who takes on entire armed compounds of highly trained bodyguards barehanded?

Elija Wood as Kevin? That'll rock, wonderful casting. If I were to actually see it. Which I won't cuz Mickey Roarke as Marv, as my favorite comic character of all time, as the toughest tough guy in the history of comics, ain't cutting it.

Aw, who am I kidding. I'm seeing it tomorrow, and probably again Sunday. I'd have seen it tonight if I wasn't taking my sister to treatment.

I love that they kept it in black and white. Take a good look at the comics. Look carefully. Notice that these are true black and white comics. No half tones, no grays, no shading, all just line art and solid blacks on a white background. Look at all the use of negative imagery, and how sometimes the same image seamlessly uses positive and negative space effectively. Frank Miller's art work works perfectly in this format, and the trailers look excellent.

I'm just wondering if the humor will translate. There are a good half dozen laugh out loud moments in A Dame to Kill For that work because they are way, way over the top ridiculous in their depiction of violence.

Willravel 04-02-2005 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PoweredByPorn
It's the character from the comic series/graphic novel 'Watchmen' who calls himself Rorschach (after said test). He wears a mask with constantly-shifting black blots over a white background. THere's a lot more to the character, and I tend to ramble when I get on subjects like this, so I'll stop there.

If you're reading this thread, that means you're at least interested in Sin City, which means you would probably also like Watchmen. It's excellent. Go read it.

I surely will. Thanks. :thumbsup:

Willravel 04-02-2005 03:52 PM

I gotta tell you...I was pretty deeply disturbed by this movie. I never read the Frank Miller comic, but I get a pretty good idea from the movie. Good acting, it's a pulp movie after all. Jessica Alba was radient. Somehow the nudity and violence seemed a bit out of place. I know that sounds absurd, but the movie would have been just as engaging without it. Maybe it's just me, but it didn't add anything to the feel of the movie. I got uncomfortable when people would laugh Spoiler: durring the parts when men were castrated. It didn't ruin the movie for me, but it bothered me. Spoiler: Elija Woods is not Frodo in this, so prepare yorself. Mickey Rourke, Clive Owen, and Bruce Willis each drive their stories with surprising presence. Up until now, I was worried that Clive would make a weak Bond, but he changed my mind. Spoiler: I am still interesed in the opening storyline that closed the movie. Is there more to the Josh Hartnet as the Salesman story? Was that it? I'd reccomend this to anyone willing to see some very gritty cinima. 4 naked, bleeding, broken stars out of five.

K-Wise 04-02-2005 04:42 PM

Actually they made Marv look pretty big. Not 7 feet tall big...but big.

Asta!!

cellophanedeity 04-02-2005 05:01 PM

I hated it yesterday.
Probably because I'm PMSing and so I'm uberemotional right now. I couldn't take the violence. The farm scenes were what made me want to leave.

The complete total awesomeness of syle, ladies (mmmm Miho *drool*), and story was why I stayed.

I should watch it again, when I'm not being such a wuss.

Nikilidstrom 04-02-2005 07:40 PM

Saw it tonight. It was an amazing flic, eveything I had hoped for. With Miller at the helm, it should have been no suprise that it was almost a scene for scene, panel for panel, rendition of the novels. It was like the pages of the comics had come to life on screen, which is something that few comic book movies are able to pull off. I would recommend this movie to anyone who loved the Sin City comics, or any comic book fan.

Fire 04-02-2005 08:06 PM

scary enough, mickey rourke as marv pegs it damn well- he is a great character, and elijah wood is the creepiest thing I have seen in years..... Damn fine flick, I will own it ASAP

Seething 04-02-2005 09:28 PM

What is Sin City?

Freakin' awesome! Everyone in it was wonderfully cast. Great storylines that really drag you in. Highly stylized action. Quirky humor. And really put together well. I wouldn't recommend it for everyone, but if you're into this kind of stuff, you'll walk away really pleased.

There was quite a bit of...uh...castration, though...

Halx 04-02-2005 09:51 PM

Saw this today with Jesus Pimp. I thought it was a pretty awesome experience. It's not so much a story driven movie as it is an art exhibition - the art of noir - the art of cinematography - the art of comic books coming to life. The stories are gripping by themselves, but they would be nothing without the awesome packaging.

The themes are very very very grim and the gore is absolutely... fantastic. Just be warned.

I've been describing it like this: Take what you know about noir, then take what you know about comic books, then add frank miller's fucked up mind and a dash of quentin tarentino, and turn the volume up to 11. The pacing is so fucking fast that in the middle of the movie, when it's going at half speed (which is still about as fast as a Darren Aronofsky film) it tends to actually drag. However, it picks it up again for a nice ending.

Great stuff.

Zeraph 04-02-2005 10:55 PM

I just saw it this afternoon. Great movie, but I love this stuff.

*may contain slight spoilers*
Some things I'm confused with having not read the comics: for one thing the 3 (or 4) different story lines in the movie made me a bit confused because they weren't really connected (in the usual movie sense.) Though it wasn't that bad a thing, it made me concentrate on trying to figure out if bruce willis, for instance, was really the scar guy and how the story lines were connected beside the fact that they just all happen to be in the same city.

The other thing was--what was with the normal/good acting-normal/good acting-normal/good acting-odd pause make some obscure reference to film noir comment/bad acting thing? I dunno, the way they did it just sort of broke the tempo of the movie to me. I assume they were meant to be a small homage.

One more thing was that it was confusing as to which characters were supposed to be super hero semi invincible as some could take repeated damage to the head, shot, stabbed, jump off 5 stories, and still be standing while some would get knocked out in an open handed slap. So that was a bit inconnsistent.

The violence and nudity seemed to fit, and if they were taken out I'd think it would seem to lack.

/manly
Damnit, Alba was a stripper! And nothing!
/end manly

All in all still a very good movie.

StormBerlin 04-03-2005 12:40 AM

I just got back from seeing this movie, and I was blown away. It ended and I just sat there with my mouth open. My date just laughed at me... Man, it blew my mind. I'm going to pick up the comic books as soon as I can and maybe that will fill some of the holes.

SitizenVZ 04-03-2005 01:00 AM

Did anyone else feel that Brittany Murphay was abit out of place? I haven't read the comics so perhaps she portrayed the character exactly right.... but it sure seemed like she was over-acting ALOT.

FngKestrel 04-03-2005 03:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Zeraph
I just saw it this afternoon. Great movie, but I love this stuff.

*may contain slight spoilers*
Some things I'm confused with having not read the comics: for one thing the 3 (or 4) different story lines in the movie made me a bit confused because they weren't really connected (in the usual movie sense.) Though it wasn't that bad a thing, it made me concentrate on trying to figure out if bruce willis, for instance, was really the scar guy and how the story lines were connected beside the fact that they just all happen to be in the same city.

I hear ya. I think mainly it's the fact that it's all in happening in this setting. The idea is, if these guys are the best that this city can offer, people that are dregs and tragic heroes, then this city is in some deep shit.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeraph
The other thing was--what was with the normal/good acting-normal/good acting-normal/good acting-odd pause make some obscure reference to film noir comment/bad acting thing? I dunno, the way they did it just sort of broke the tempo of the movie to me. I assume they were meant to be a small homage.

I think the dialogue was taken almost exactly from the graphic novel, but someone correct me if I'm wrong. If there's any references to the fact that it's film noir, those are Frank Miller's doing.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeraph
One more thing was that it was confusing as to which characters were supposed to be super hero semi invincible as some could take repeated damage to the head, shot, stabbed, jump off 5 stories, and still be standing while some would get knocked out in an open handed slap. So that was a bit inconnsistent.

Welcome to film noir. Femme fatales are usually knocked down, with a bit of blood on the lip. The more tore up a hero looks, the more invincible they are, but can still get brained in the back of the head.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeraph
The violence and nudity seemed to fit, and if they were taken out I'd think it would seem to lack.

/manly
Damnit, Alba was a stripper! And nothing!
/end manly

All in all still a very good movie.

Agreed.

Spektr 04-03-2005 01:30 PM

Not only was this movie absolutely fucking incredible, and left me in awe as I left the theater, but it further reiterated how cool my girlfriend is, because she loved it as well. The action, the acting, the cinematography, everything fell into sync and created a gritty , no holds barred movie that wasn't scared to rile up the censors (Miller and Rodriquez had to fight for an R rating). It was exactly the type of movie to reinvigorate my faith in modern movies. Fucking astounding

Da Munk 04-03-2005 01:37 PM

This movie was absolutely amazing. The comics were translated to the screen perfectly, with many shots being taken directly from panels in the original. As a fan of the comic I don't think I could have asked for more.

I'm really glad to see that this movie has encouraged people who have never read the comics to pick them up. Comics generally seem to be considered trash or kid's stuff, but there are some excellent titles out there that shouldn't be missed, Sin City being one of them.

docbungle 04-03-2005 05:27 PM

The Mickey Rourke section was phenomenal. It stood head and shoulders above the rest of the film. It was a great movie, but after that adrenaline rush, the rest seemed to drag a bit. It's great to see him get a badass part like that.

blitz.fenix 04-04-2005 08:25 AM

*WArning Post may contain Spoilers*








The only negative part this movie has is Jessica Alba's bad acting. It would hav sufficed if she had ver minimal linee. It just seems she was so out of place IMO.

snowy 04-04-2005 09:36 AM

Excellent movie. I had very little idea of what it was about going into see it...I mostly just thought it looked cool and heard from a friend it was excellent. I have to agree completely. Loved it. Am probably going to see it again this week. Normally I dislike movies with lots of violence but this movie pulled it off with panache.

Freaking awesome.

Coppertop 04-04-2005 10:37 AM

Awesome movie. I will be getting the DVD as soon as I can. I watched it Saturday night and my dreams were... vivid... to say the least. The cinematography is astounding. This movie represents the very best that is film noir. I recommend this movie to any and everyone who isn't squeamish.

aberkok 04-04-2005 08:09 PM

Highly recommended.

I had trouble getting sucked into the story because of how great it was technically. The "Big Fat Kill" section with Dwight I found easier to be drawn into, perhaps because I hadn't read that one. I got what I was hoping for with Elijah: very creepy, and I was impressed with the Marv vs. Kevin fights. I really wondered how they'd get Mickey Rourke in prosthetics fighting with Elijah, but it was very fluid and just like in the book.

Those of you who haven't read the books are really in for a treat.

The one main con for me was the score. In parts it was fine, but in others it was inconsistent. For example, for most of the movie we have the typical film noir stuff, which is fine, but then in, say the climax of the "Yellow Bastard," during the final confrontation, there was a strange brassy and percussiony score which wouldn't be out of place in Star Trek original series.

FngKestrel 04-04-2005 09:41 PM

Something else I really liked about the movie. I've noticed that in most comic book adaptations, character voice overs are suspiciously missing. All those thought bubbles of people's dialogue really reveal a lot about them. This movie had plenty of voice overs. Now whether it was a byproduct of being a comic book or just an implementation of film noir narration, it was done well.

Nikilidstrom 04-05-2005 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by aberkok
I was impressed with the Marv vs. Kevin fights. I really wondered how they'd get Mickey Rourke in prosthetics fighting with Elijah, but it was very fluid and just like in the book.

And to think, Wood never met Rourke once during filming. Great editing job.

As far as the voice over, for me its really a must for film noir. Along with the stark style, it a staple of the genre. When the directors cut of Bladerunner, future noir IMO, omitted Harrison Ford's voice over, I really think it hurt the movie and the development of Decker as a character.

aberkok 04-05-2005 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nikilidstrom
And to think, Wood never met Rourke once during filming. Great editing job.

I didn't know that! Holy crap! Although it's probably for the best (as images of the rainy stairwell scene from the never to be filmed movie "9 1/2 Hobbits" fills my mind).

muttonglutton 04-05-2005 07:03 PM

What is Sin City? Besides amazing?

My friends got me to read all the comics just recently, I haven't been at all into graphic novels until now, but the movie just got me hooked. Got a five pound stack here, Watchmen, Sin City, and some others. Reading them like candy, if sweets were to be injested eyewise.

While talking about the movie in Timmies afterwards (it's the thing to do in Canadaland), we decided an almost perfect three word desrciption for it is Film Noir Pulp. As in Fiction.

And look at that, all the words are four letters long.

I have to go out and see Sin City again, damn. So good!

Gilda 04-05-2005 07:23 PM

muttonglutton: Is Alan Moore's V for Vendetta in your stack? If not, go get it. It's the best noir comic book ever made, and I'd put it ahead of Watchmen--not noir, but well worth reading--as Moore's best.

Also, Film Noir Pulp is a good description. Film noir cribbed it's content chiefly from, you guessed it, pulp fiction novels of the 20's and 30's like The Shadow, and detecive pulps like Sam Spade and Lew Archer.

aberkok 04-05-2005 07:55 PM

gilda: V for Vendetta better than the Watchmen!!!???? Did I just hear that?

For the record, though, it's a contender. While we're recommending Alan Moore stuff, check out Top Ten. As with a lot of Moore's stuff, it's about deconstructing the idea of the super-hero. In this one, he tells the story of a police precinct in a world where eveyone and his dog (literally) are super-heroes. What could the function of a police force possibly be? I know I sound like a blurb advertising the book, so I'll stop, but check it out!

Gilda 04-05-2005 08:40 PM

Yep, V for Vendetta is IMO better than Watchmen. If you think that's provokative, check this out: I think Moore's run on Supreme is just as good as Watchmen. The best Superman stories ever written didn't have Superman in them.

Gilda

ryborg 04-05-2005 08:53 PM

I recently saw it and left the theater feeling more satisfied than I have in years.

aberkok 04-05-2005 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Gilda
Yep, V for Vendetta is IMO better than Watchmen. If you think that's provokative, check this out: I think Moore's run on Supreme is just as good as Watchmen. The best Superman stories ever written didn't have Superman in them.

Gilda

Good to know! I haven't read it but I'll have to seek it out. Just when I thought I've read all the Moore there is, I find out about more, then I read it. Then I become depressed again. :) Ever check out Promethea?

Gilda 04-05-2005 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aberkok
Good to know! I haven't read it but I'll have to seek it out. Just when I thought I've read all the Moore there is, I find out about more, then I read it. Then I become depressed again. :) Ever check out Promethea?

There are two volumes: The Return and Story of the Year. The Return starts in the middle of the run of Supreme, but you don't need any background. It works well as a first issue. It's a big plus if you're familiar with the silver age Superman, Superboy, and Justice Leage comics, as the story in Supreme is s deconstruction of those, and at the same time, a loving recreation of them.

Yep. I have the complete run of Promethea in trade. I've also got a full run of Tom Strong from the beginning, which I enjoy even more.

lindseylatch 04-05-2005 09:31 PM

Ok, spoiler alert!! Well, more in the answer than the question...




WTF was up with the very first scene in the movie? How did that tie in with any of the other stories? Or did it?

FngKestrel 04-05-2005 11:12 PM

Spoiler: The Man? He's a hitman. And it does tie in. He comes in at the end to kill Becky. We only recognize him from the beginning and his nonchalant offer of a cigarette.

lindseylatch 04-06-2005 07:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FngKestrel
Spoiler: The Man? He's a hitman. And it does tie in. He comes in at the end to kill Becky. We only recognize him from the beginning and his nonchalant offer of a cigarette.

Is that all? There's no other importance to that scene? That would be lame...

FngKestrel 04-06-2005 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lindseylatch
Is that all? There's no other importance to that scene? That would be lame...

Spoiler: The end sequence provides closure to "The Big Fat Kill" without getting too complicated. The intro sequence was what Rodriguez shot to entice all the actors to join him on this project. I don't know where it falls in the graphic novels. Probably in the same order. Get the DVD and listen to the commentary. :D

SitizenVZ 04-07-2005 02:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FngKestrel
The intro sequence was what Rodriguez shot to entice all the actors to join him on this project. I don't know where it falls in the graphic novels. Probably in the same order. Get the DVD and listen to the commentary. :D

He actually shopped it too everyone, including Frank Miller. He wanted to have something to show Miller so that he could prove that it would be true to the comic. As I understand it they had tried to get the Movie made in the 90s as well, but Miller wasn't happy w/ the direction of the film so he pulled the plug on it.

Nikilidstrom 04-07-2005 06:47 AM

If you read the forums at the end of the Sin City comics, Miller mentions a few times that he was against a movie being made. Rodriguez really must have impressed him to get the go ahead. He impressed the hell outta me.

Latch 04-08-2005 06:45 AM

I just saw this and was amazed. I really thought "nah, I won't get into this.. it'll be like Sky Captain (which I couldn't stand)"... but I was sucked in, well and truly. There are slight (meaningless?) connections between the stories that I still have to think about. I need to watch this movie again, I think.

I loved it.

snowy 04-08-2005 06:53 AM

Saw it again last night. Have to say it was even better the second time around. As soon as it's out on DVD, it shall be mine. Muahaha.

m0rpheus 04-08-2005 07:02 AM

As soon as I got out of this movie I let out a sigh of relief... I was so worried that they would fuck it up and for once they didnt. I could nit-pick about a few things but lets face it, its one of the few times where they got a movie from a previous source and it rocked for the fans of the comics and for fans who have never heard of Sin City before. I've read most of the graphic novels and my GF had never heard of them before the movie. We both loved it. Yup I'm gushing thats how much I loved it.

BalloonKnots 04-08-2005 11:55 AM

I saw it this past weekend and it was awesome! Loved the film noir look and feel of the entire movie. I have to say the Marv (Mickey Rourke) storyline really made this movie!!!....oh and having Jessica Alba dancing around a pole didn't hurt either.

gnort 04-09-2005 09:04 AM

"We shot the full stories of the books," Rodriguez says. "And I knew we could truncate it down, we weren't going to lose any scenes. Eventually they would all be available for people to see. The DVD will come out with the theatrical cut, and then there will be a separate disc that's got the individual episodes separate with their own title card and you could just watch The Big Fat Kill from beginning to end in its full cut as a single story and then switch over and watch The Yellow Bastard, and that's 45 minutes. It will have all the material back in, so it will be like the experience of picking up the books where you pick up one story and you read it from beginning to end and it will have all the material in it. So you can kind of shuffle your own version of the movie and just watch them all separately."

http://dvd.ign.com/articles/600/600858p1.html?fromint=1

grendel 04-09-2005 09:01 PM

saw it tonight and i thought it rocked. rourke, wood were great. i'm not familiar with the graphic novels, so i guess i need to check 'em out.

billege 04-10-2005 03:24 PM

I guess I'll have to buck the trend. Feel free to attack me for not "getting it" etc, but I really didn't care for Sin City.

It was neat to watch, but I really didn't leave with much of any feeling about it at all. I certainly didn't hate it, or even dislike it. Or, even leave feeling "wtf was that?" Just felt like I'm pretty sure I didn't like it.

It was violent, but since I had no reason to care, or feel, for any of the characters I guess I didn't care very much. Actually, that about sums it: I just didn't care for it; it gave me no reason to.

dougiefresh 04-11-2005 03:20 PM

I enjoyed it alot, but I wanted more when I walked out. I couldn't believe it was over. I understand how they wanted to clone the comic book, but it seemed like this could've been two movies. I especially would've loved more Jessica Alba is fantastic looking but she never brings anything to a role. Rosario Dawson, Carla Gugino and Devon Ioki were amazing. Heck, even the girl from Gilmore Girls was sexier in my mind. Bruce Willis was poor casting in my mind because they guy just showed up and played Bruce Willis.

I should probably see it again, maybe the visuals were so awesome that I didn't fully take the whole thing in. I wanted more of the great stuff: Marv,Goldie,Dwight,Johnny Boy, Miho etc...especially Carla Gugino, now thats a woman!

Sweetpea 04-11-2005 04:42 PM

WOW! Loved the whole movie from beginning to end. The style was amazing . . . the acting, superb, i certainly want to see it again!!! :D

There was something satisfying about the 'bad' individuals getting it at the end of each segment and not just dying . . . but suffering the way they made their victims suffer . . . i think that satisfied some barbaric urge we all have to see people get what's coming to them.

Oh and the women . . . SMOKING HOT!!! :crazy:
:)

Sweetpea

Kadath 04-11-2005 05:20 PM

I enjoyed this movie a bit, though I'm not gushing over it like some. I will say that it has stuck with me. I keep hearing Spoiler: HE MADE ME WATCH!!! and seeing Spoiler: Lucille's stump every time I close my eyes. No exaggeration, that. I can't get it out of my head.

ratbastid 04-11-2005 07:06 PM

Not to drag up arguments from earlier in the thread, but.. I wasn't all that impressed with V for Vendetta. IMO, it certainly was no Watchmen in terms of the richness of the world or the completeness and complexity of the story. It's very nice social commentary, but you have to be more up on your Brittish History than most Amerians are.

I think the other Moore work that stands shoulder-to-shoulder with Watchmen is From Hell. The art is similar in style to Sin City, actually, and you'll never EVER think about the Whitechapel Murders (the so-called Jack the Ripper case) the same way again. The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen was great too, but stand one notch below the other two in my estimation.

/threadjack (but if you don't know Alan Moore's work <a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-form/002-3547683-7988024">GO DIRECTLY TO AMAZON, DO NOT PASS GO</a>!)

Just came back from seeing Sin City tonight. Effing brilliant. I've never read the G-novels, but now I have to. The scene in the car with the Jackie-boy and Dwight was just amazingly creepy and funny and brilliant.

Gilda 04-11-2005 08:58 PM

Loved it. I was just a bit disappointed with Jessica Alba. The point of the character is that she's a stripper, and Alba, of course, couldn't do a topless scene. In a movie like this, it makes no sense whatsoever to have a stripper who never takes her top off.

You get so much more out of it if you've read the graphic novels. Many, many of the scenes are direct grabs from the graphic novels. By the way, if you're getting them, you want the latest printing, and you want to get The Hard Goodbye (Marv), The Big Fat Kill (Dwight and Miho), and That Yellow Bastard (Hartigan).

I've seen it twice already, and the woman who plays "Deadly Little Miho" Devon Aoki, has now knocked Halle Berry off my top ten most beautiful women on the planet (Grace Park, Aishwarya Rai, Linda Park, Grace Nakamura, Monica Belucci, sweetpea, Devon Aoki, Michelle Yeoh, Yunjin Kim, and Ming-Na Wen)

What I found impressive was how little the green screen effects were evident. Had I not known, I never would have guessed that most of this movie was actors in front of a green screen.

It's a gorgeous looking movie, a sure bet for an Academy Award nomination for cinematography, or I'm not the wife of of one of Batman's arch enemies (geek test).

I also didn't quite buy Bruce Willis as Hartigan. I didn't quite buy him as as 59 in the opening scenes, and there's no way he's pushing 70 in the later ones. He plays younger than he actual age; he looked like a guy in his 40's not his 60's.

On the other hand, Devon Aoki, Jaime King, Clive Owen, Brittney Murphy, ah hell, the entire rest of the cast nailed their characters.

sadistikdreams 04-13-2005 06:44 PM

"WHAT IS SIN CITY?"
A very good movie.

Lasereth 04-16-2005 05:29 PM

Damn. I've never read the comics but I went to see this based on my Hero Roger Ebert's review.

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is one of the best movies I've ever seen. The acting was superb, the script was perfect, the action was awesome and the style is unbelievable. I'd go see Sin City again. This is what being a movie fan is about. Clive Owen, Mickey Rourke, and Bruce Willis delivered outstanding performances. I really don't know what to say about the movie besides the fact that it's perfect...and I'm saying that without a clue about the comics.

-Lasereth

ratbastid 04-16-2005 08:12 PM

On a week's reflection, you know what struck me most about the film? The pacing and the scale. It would have been really easy to turn it into a big-booming action romp, but they didn't do that. They kept the soliloquies and long, slow dialog scenes. The quiet moments the make punctuation out of the action... Hartigan going mad in his prison cell. Marv's surprisingly thoughtful narration. It's simultaneously a huge film with big events and a major story arc, and a movingly personal and intimate story, told on both scales at once. It's both about the city, and about the people in the city, and it never loses sight of either of them.

sailor 04-19-2005 04:27 PM

I loved this movie. The style, the acting, the cinematography, the story... The only thing I can complain about is that the pacing seemed a bit off in the middle story, but man... I loved it. Seen it twice now. Fucking great movie.

lurkette 04-22-2005 09:07 AM

I must go see this again. It's been a long time since I walked out of a movie so completely enamored of a film. I had dreams about it for days (biting the necks of people who pissed me off a la Rosario Dawson, being a detective on the trail of a serial killer, etc.) The mood of it just stuck with me. And the lust. (Hot damn, Carla Gugino didn't make your list, Gilda? You're a hardass! ;) Not that I'd kick Devon Aoki out of bed for....anything.)

Definitely going to read the comics, now.

And to chime in on the Alan Moore stream, I fucking LOVED "From Hell" - another one that just crawled inside my head and sat there making crazy noises for days after I finished it. I was so disappointed with the movie.

And I've heard rumors of a Watchmen movie with William Macy as Rorschach...anyone heard same? IMBD has the director as the same guy who directed The Bourne Supremacy...didn't see it, but from what I heard at least he can put together a decent adaptive narrative.

aberkok 04-22-2005 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lurkette
And to chime in on the Alan Moore stream, I fucking LOVED "From Hell" - another one that just crawled inside my head and sat there making crazy noises for days after I finished it. I was so disappointed with the movie.

And I've heard rumors of a Watchmen movie with William Macy as Rorschach...

Yup. Forgot to mention how From Hell was one of my favourites and disturbed me to no end. How is it that you can love a book so much even though the themes touched upon can make you depressed for two months? That's the way I felt after reading From Hell and Watchmen.

I think the William Macy casting was just a rumour. I don't believe any final casting has been done.

I'll be happier if they mess up Batman or Superman, even. But not this... not this...

FngKestrel 08-11-2005 12:50 AM

Just saw a commercial for the DVD release of Sin City on August 16th. w00t!

iamtheone 08-11-2005 03:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billege
I guess I'll have to buck the trend. Feel free to attack me for not "getting it" etc, but I really didn't care for Sin City.

It was neat to watch, but I really didn't leave with much of any feeling about it at all. I certainly didn't hate it, or even dislike it. Or, even leave feeling "wtf was that?" Just felt like I'm pretty sure I didn't like it.

It was violent, but since I had no reason to care, or feel, for any of the characters I guess I didn't care very much. Actually, that about sums it: I just didn't care for it; it gave me no reason to.


Diddo. I felt exactly as this.... Was pretty to watch, but it left me feeling a bit empty. Maybe I need another sitting.

Anxst 08-16-2005 03:49 PM

I've yet to see this.....I couldn't find a babysitter for the life of me. :| Still, based on what I hear here, it will be very like the graphic novels, which I adore. I started reading Frank Miller long ago, and I keep hoping they'll make his take on 300 (The Battle of Thermopylae) into a movie, using the colors in it the way Lynn Varley did in the comic. I've no clue how that would work, but a man can dream, right?

FngKestrel 08-16-2005 05:14 PM

FYI, the DVD that was released today is severely lacking in special features. It only has a making of featurette. The good 2-disc version is slated for release in December.

m0rpheus 08-16-2005 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FngKestrel
FYI, the DVD that was released today is severely lacking in special features. It only has a making of featurette. The good 2-disc version is slated for release in December.

Dammit dammit dammit. So you mean I'm going to have to get two copies cuz I'm damn well not waiting for December. *sigh* oh well I guess that means I'll have a copy for myself and the other I'll loan out to people...

FngKestrel 08-16-2005 11:44 PM

Heh, didn't think of it that way. A loaner.

Redjake 08-17-2005 10:35 AM

Just watched this movie again last night on DVD at a friend's house. I completely forgot how awesome this movie was. This movie was just as good the second time. I love it.

the_marq 08-17-2005 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FngKestrel
FYI, the DVD that was released today is severely lacking in special features. It only has a making of featurette. The good 2-disc version is slated for release in December.

When are the studios going to stop doing this shit? How many people have two copies of Lord of the Rings for the exact same reason?

If I just wanted to watch the movie again... I'll download it. If you want me to buy the DVD then give me a compelling reason to do so, releasing two versions of the same film is just gouging.

Mr.Deflok 08-18-2005 03:44 AM

The official term for it is DOUBLE DIPPING. I've been known to succumb to it many times.

This time however I got Sin City on UMD and'll get the 2 Disc Version on DVD this Christmas.

The movie is more than just a film, it's a piece of art, moreso - a masterpiece*

*imo, if you disagree go fuck yourself I don't care

ChistledStone 08-27-2005 12:05 AM

Saw it an hour ago.

Beautiful.

Bloody. Violent. Heated.

Beauty...

(and yes I agree with Gilda, if a parole officer can take her top off and walk around her house and then speak to her parolee without her shirt on, I think the stripper should take off her shirt. And more. But they had to keep it R I guess...)

FngKestrel 08-27-2005 01:13 AM

It was Jessica Alba's no nudity clause that she puts in all her contracts.

Sigh.

Uncle Pony 08-27-2005 08:47 AM

The wife and I watched it the other night and neither of us were impressed. Mickey Rourke stole the show, and his story was excellent, but the rest was just "meh."


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