Official Big Brother 5 Thread (will contain spoilers)
 

Big Brother 5 is set to premier tonight on CBS. Lets use this thread like we have in previous seasons to discuss the ongoing drama in the house, the houseguests, interesting links, predictions, and spoilers.

I would highly recommend that anyone that likes to be suprised by what they see on the live shows to NOT READ THIS THREAD. Similarily. If you live on the West Coast and will see a delayed show, do not read this thread on eviction days when the the East Coast show has been shown.

Feel free to use the Spoiler Tags. Which you can activate by typing [spoiler][/spoler] at the beginning and end of your text.

Now. to the houseguests - http://www.cbs.com/primetime/bigbrother5/index.shtml is the official CBS website for bigbrother and already has the houseguest pictures on it.

My favourite site for big brother information and news is www.jokersupdates.com - I will often post stories and articles that I have learned from this site here.

Have fun all, and here is to another season of one of our favourite reality shows!

Here's a question. I started watching BB with #3 religiously, and loved it and #4. Is the live feed worth it? Have never tried it.

So who saw last nights episode?

Looks to be an interesting group of people. The Holly chick looks like she's gonna be annoying as hell just by the way she talks - real ditzy looking.

The massive brother-sister twist left me completely unimpressed, but the whole twin thing looks like it could be interesting and good for some laughs.

If you look at the cbs big brother webpage -> http://www.cbs.com/primetime/bigbrother5/index.shtml - it looks like there is three empty slots where a houseguests picture would appear. Maybe there will be 3 sets of twins?

I caught just a little of it. This show has gotten insane and I really don't understand it at all anymore. The producers are really trying too hard.

I was wondering something about that whole twin thing. When the other twin is not inside the BB house, are they kept sequestered? I'd assume that they'd have to be, or else they'd learn what everyone else is up to, also, are the twins able to talk to each other when they switch places so that they can learn what's going on?

I think this looks like a promising season, as bad as the whole project DNA thing sounds, it's a hell of a lot better than the Ex factor from last season.

So far it seems to suggest some interesting twists. The brother-sister thing will be revealed (at least to the sister) before the first eviction (imo). The twin thing could be interesting, but I get a feeling that if it is found out, that the next "one" to go.

And did anybody notice the lack of "old" people and/or mother/father figures?

It's kind of early to form opinions on who's who (good, bad, or ugly) but I gotta say I don't much care for the one lady that's a professed twin. The way she was putting Jennifer (can't remember the name she gave herself) down was too over the top for the short time they've known each other.

The group dynamics of the cast look interesting to me, so far, so I'll definitely be watching.

I love big brother, amazing race, survivor... but every year the people get prettier...

On to the family thing, thats kind of twisted.. What a way to find out that you have a sister. Poor guy.

The twin thing looks intresting and I want to find out who scott played fooseball for?

My guess on the twin thing is the older guy (don't remember his name). He looks familiar to me for some reason like I've seen him before on tv talk shows or something.

Jennifer gave herself the name of Nicomus (sic?). She's definitely a little whacky. People are really going to start wondering about her brother if he keeps focusing on her father. I mean he was asking "how tall is he" and other really abnormal questions for run of the mill conversation and if no one noticed then they're dumber than I can imagine.

So whatcha all think of last nights episode. My wife and I found it thoroughly entertaining. She started crying during the whole brother revealing himself to sister deal, holy emotional.

The letters from the father were certainly a nice touch. I wonder what Michaels mother thinks about all this - or for that fact - Jennifers mother. Would be interesting to hear their reactions.

No news on the whole twin thing, but I assume that is all being saved for the next show.

We were talking about this 'new spin' on power of Veto and we were thinking that maybe they HAVE to use it on one person this year. That would certainly mess things up.

Another thing I read on the net with the whole twin thing is that people are hoping that the identical twins will be switched in for voting days and alternate weeks. This would mean that the twin coming in would have no idea who to vote for - who they are allied with or what strategies are in play. Thats the only way that I think they could play the whole twin thing and keep it fair (they can't let them know of whats going on in the house, would be unfair to all others when competing for money).

Oh well, we shall see :)

That'd be cool if they had to use the power of Veto, otherwise it never seems to get used. As much as I like Jennifer (Nakomus), I hope that Mike stays in the house, he seems like one of the few who are going to be able to stand up to the alpha male group of the "Four Horsemen". It seems like every year there is always the young "popular" clique, and every year I loathe them even more. I'm hopeing that everyone else can band together and get Scott and Jase out of there. Oh, and Marvin's pretty annoying too. :)

Okay, let me know if I'm way off base on this.

I believe Jase's reason for putting Mike on the block becuase of the supposed threat that Jase feels.

But, I was surprised at putting Jennifer on the block. With Michael being part of the 4H, you'd think that he'd have some influence on the other groups vote.

I would think he would put up Marvin and get rid of the other stronger males of the house.

If I remember right from previous seasons, it's not like Survivor, where you need to keep the strong ones around to help with the workload or anything.

Dunno, just a thought.

I think the other 3 guys are a little leary of Michael's story and whether he'll remain loyal to them with Jen being his sister and all. This might be a test.

I foresee Mike getting the power of veto.

He did try his best to stack the deck in his favor, but I think his telling Holly that he didn't want her to win was a bad move. He will be gone this week since I don't think anyone needs him in their alliance.

And speaking of Holly, is she really that wacky? I'm hoping it's an act.

I actually like Mike's feistyness. His calling Jase on his alliance with Scott was entertaining. Would have been nice to see him win Veto though, he was throwing those hoops magnificantly - the other guys were freaked!

As Bones said, I think the Holly strategy was sound and I woulda done the same thing - I just wouldnt have told her!


I like the whole new veto concept too, it really gives the people being put up a chance to get off - hopefully we will see lots of action.

I was dissapointed in Will's betrayal of the girls, I think he should have joined up with them untill a couple of the most dangerous guys are booted and then take action - although his comments on getting a battle of the sexes going with him in the middle is a valid one.


Spoiler: Rumour on the Internet is that there is a 'committed couple' in the house who have been together for quite a while - the rumour is that this is Scott and Jase - a loving gay couple. No idea if this is true though.

I think he is playing it perfect. He can play one side against the other, and not really be a threat to either side - it can get you a long way.



Spoiler response: Spoiler: Being that is the first I heard that rumor, I am not as suprised as you would think. The two of them dress alike, and almost too much. It has been my limited experience that some same sex couples have do have very similar styles

It'd be nice to see Mike stay around as a "power" against Scott and Jase, but at least the girls in the house are waking up to the fact that they have to break up the 4H. Frankly I think they're giving Mike way too much credit by calling him the Don and all, but at least he's trying to play the game. Nakomis doesn't seem to be doing much besides making the girl alliance, so I think I'd rather see her go.

I hope they decide to break up the girl alliance early by sending Nakomis home. She's annoying (not that she's the only one but she bugs me the most right now).

Jace and the 4 horsemen are asses. Drew is the sleeper I think. He's playing the game without tying himself in to the others too much I believe. Most people still don't recognize that the alliance goes beyond just Jace and Scott.

As far as the rumor in the above spoiler, it wouldn't surprise me too much. Especially after the comment by Scott about Spoiler: "Will not acting too gay to freak us out." It was an odd comment and maybe his way of testing out the members of his alliance.

Well, Looks like Lori and Holly are nominated. I was completely and utterly dissapointed with Marvin. I thought he was smarter than that and would have saw the very obvious threat in Jase and Scott.

What a moron in my opinion. I thought the speech about 'these are the two best players in the game' was bullshit.

My thoughts exactly, Daval.
In fact, when he was giving the speech and talking about 'these are the two best players in the game', I thought, "Aha!" "Marvin's smarter than he's let on, especially with his talk of chess." "He's seen through Scott and Jase's bullshit and decided to ambush the ambiguously gay duo and break 'em up."

But alas, he's a dumbass. :|

I think Marvin has a secret alliance in this game. Whenever the Big Brother producers focus on certain people and leave the others out of the storyline, it's almost a guarantee that something will develop there.

A secret alliance with who? The four horsemen?

At this point, I am going to disagree with you on this. When you are in that house, you have to look at the landscape and see who you are going to align with. You are either in an obvious alliance, or you have to be friendly with a strong alliance or you could be toast. Plus look at what happened to Mike once he tried to form something (albeit too late in the process). He was gone before he could say alliance. You have to cover your butt in the first few weeks. It takes time to get to where you need.

With that being said, I thought his speech was BS. He wants Lori out, and to say that Holly is a great player - please. The only difference between this week and last is that he told Mike he wanted him out and he only put Jennifer up to assure it.

The only thing left is to get out the baby oil.

And another thing, am I the only one who can't stand the bandanna/headband wearing. And not just on BB, but also Survivor.
/rant

My guess would be at least a member of the four horsemen and a member of the girl's alliance. Probably at least one other person as well.

I would play the game totally different. Screw joining the mega alliance, I would rather play the middle and eliminate the biggest threats to winning the game - which is the 4H and more specifically Jase and Scott.

That's just my opinion though and I would probably get my arse kicked out early as a result of it :P

Big News!

Spoiler: Jase used POV on Holly so Marvin put Karen in her place. Nominated is then Lori and Karen - I guess she was the third best player in the game. I repeat - he is a moron.

Well, the horsemen are back in the driver's seat. The numbers of the opposition are going to keep dropping. (Lather, rinse, repeat.)

At this point, I am just rooting for the twins to make it to the cutoff.

And another thing, I loved when "cowboy" stated that at times he was a follower and at times he was a leader. I'm still wondering when he led.

I think the four horsemen will screw it up. I suspect their alliance will not last. Additionally, they don't know that the girl's group will get another vote when the twin comes in.

I think Scott is the only one who will be loyal to the four horsemen alliance throughout. Cowboy will bail shortly when he finally figures out that he's gonna get left in the lurch by his "friends", I don't think Drew has the stomach for what remains to be done, and Jase is gonna go whereever he can to get a little bit further. They haven't had to struggle yet and as soon as they do their team will crumble.

I don't think they can do anything to screw it up, at some point, someone else will win HOH, and Scott or Jase will be gone. And don't forget, only we know about the twin. They aren't banking on that extra vote (and if they 4H continue their domination, it may not matter). All they need is to lose one HOH, and they are weakened.

And Cowboy might actually be in a better position than the other three - he is the weakest link of the group, so why get rid of him now. He'll be easy to pick off later.

It's not about getting rid of cowboy, it's about his own insecurities. You could see it in his face when the two girls were mind f**ing him last night about how he's honorable and all.

Umm yeah, that's why I said

So looks like Holly and Nakomis are both on the block. I'd like to see Holly gone, just because she annoys the hell out of me. Although, if the 4H agree to vote out Nakomis that may alienate cowboy and put strain on that alliance.

I was really hoping Marvin would be nominated :(

I was hoping for a Holly/Marvin showdown. The two people who annoy everyone the most. Unless she gets pulled off, Holly is gone.

The food competition was funny - beef then steak, and I always spell it cheesses myself.

Spoiler: Nakomis has won the PoV, she has used it upon herself and nominated Adria in her place :( Lets all will Holly out!

Bump..

From the way they left it on Tues, I didn't expect a 7-1 vote. And I don't think anyone is suprised of the Jase/Scott nomination. Diane knows she is the next to go if she is ever put up, but she had no choice. The question is: will this be a 7-0 vote against Jase?

Umm, I didn't see the Saturday show and can't seem to recall who won HOH. Can you fill me in?

Diane won HOH after everyone either let go (or when they changed the rules) lifted a foot/used two hands. Her and Jase went to the end and he barely lifted a foot to end up losing after 9+ hours of holding the button.

Anywho, after considering numerous scenarios, Jase and Scott were put up. It appears as though Natalie will be introduced at some point after the next eviction.

Also, Jase seems to be turning against the 4H because of the Holly eviction.

Thanks for the update.

The smart thing to do is get rid of Jase as he's the far stronger player but I think he will survive. Scott is just a prick in the eyes of the houseguests I suspect. Jase is somewhat humanized by his relationship with Holly and is seen as a strong player. If the nominations stay as they are (assuming none of the 4H get the Veto) Jase will cut a deal with enough people (perhaps the old "if I win HOH I won't put you up" thing and since he's seen as having a high likelihood of winning it some will fall for it) to stay in the house.

I don't think Jase is turning against the 4H just because of the Holly thing. He would have turned on them either this week or next week anyway I think.

The 4H are almost kaput.
Barring a veto change, in my opinion Scott will stay.

I get a kick out of Marvin whenever he mentions his 5 man alliance with the 4H. What did they name it again? :D

The Malibu Van Boys, or something like that.

If I was Diane, I would make it clear that whoever saves a nominee with a veto would then take their place - enough reason to not win. If Scott or Jase wins, then I actually think she will put Marvin up.

Diane said it best herself - she may be the dumbest person on the face of the Earth. Why do you put up Marvin - Cowboy was the best choice. Now all the 4H have to do is convert one player, and Marvin is gone and the 4H are still in tact. She is the focus point of the 4H's strategy, but she may be the weakest link.

Well, it wasn't on till like 2 am for us here on the East coast so I missed it.

I hate when they have baseball on instead of BB.

So, it's Marvin and Jase then?

I think Diane should have put up Drew, that way it would've ensured Scotts' demise.

Yup, like a dumbass she fell into the 4H's plans.

I believe that the 'Golden' Power of Veto makes you immune to being nominated for that round.

That could be true, but I am not so sure. What happens if you win veto, you are already nominated, and then you take the other person off? (My loophole mind is whirring with possibilities...)

In any case, she did the best thing the 4H could hope for - a slim possibility that they could still be intact after tonight. IMO tonight is going to be the most interesting night of this BB. Do the 4H stay together, how will everyone react when Natalie is revealed, and who will win the veto? (Weak last question, but I needed something to round out my questions.)

Well at least you didn't call it the "Golden Power of Veto". That just sounds stupid IMO and I get a chuckle every time one of the houseguests use that line.:D

That does it to me too, and although I know BB makes them do certain things certain ways ("I now call this veto meeting to order"), it still bugs me when they say it the same way all the time. I guess the threat of PB&J until they comply is threatening enough.

And another thing, I want more PB&J weeks - I love seeing them suffer.

Golden Power of Veto sounds so much classier... ;)

If you win veto while you are a nominee and take the other person off you are still a nominee. Its just if you save a nominee while you are a spectator you are then safe from being nominated.


Looks like Scott was evicted and Nakomis was the HoH. I loved the classic look on Jase's face when the episode ended. This was probably his lowest point in the entire game - his biggest Allie left and a huge enemy is now in control.

yay!

While I was happy to see Scott go, I don't like that Nakomis is HOH. Now we've got to listen to her self important, pseudo intellectual babble even more.

I just wish there was a way to get rid of Nakomis and Cowboy right now. They just rub me the wrong way. They seem to think they're far more important in this than they really are.

I think one of the best looks was Scott's when he saw the twin twist. They should definitely bring that clip back in later shows.

Did anyone else notice that Natalie got the question before she was eliminated from the HOH competition wrong but the horrendous announcer Julie Chen didn't notice? She said true about the four plates being on the wall when it was really three plates. Natalie knew it too and hung around for the next question anyway.

I thought I noticed that too.
I agree, but hey, it takes all kinds to make the world turn.

Now the question is, when does the house suddenly realize that they are all less of a vote with the Adria/Natalie voting block in place. Natalie's speech about being in the house already was a plea to not toss her the first week.

Yeah but they're just too damn annoying. I almost get the feeling I'm stuck in the house with them since I have to listen to them to watch the show. :D

Anyway, I think Jase understands it already. Drew and Cowboy probably think they're safe until Jase (and probably Marvin) go. The others think they just got a boost to their alliance.

Right now they're all just so starved for something new that it's good to have something to break up the boredom. It will quickly become apparent that the two need to be broken up however.

Once Jase is gone this week (assuming no one screws up the plans), the house will then break into new sides. The evil empire will be gone, and then everyone will suddenly realize that they are playing against themselves. Depending on who wins HOH, one of the twins will probably be gone next week.

From how it looks all the twins are allying (Drew, Diane, Adria, Natalie) to the end.

That leaves everyone else to fend for themselves.

I think next week will be the 6 fingered hand will break off a finger or two. The only problem with limiting the testosterone in the house is that it will quickly become catty. Marvin is the only one who seems to have a full set that he still owns (Diane has Drew's, Cowboy doesn't know what to do with them, and Will....well Will is Will.)

I hope this doesn't degrade into an Alison/Jun bitch fest again.

Well, Will has been voted out of the house, and boy is he PISSED about it!
I will be interesting to see how they act together in the sequester house if they are together. And since Nakomis is HoH I have no doubt that the two twins will be put up, either initially or through a new variation of the six finger plan.

Game on!

Great, another week of philosophy followed by the phrase "they are such bitches". I guess we do have to wait to see if the twins both go up initially, or do we have one and a safety valve for veto. I hope that one of them does get the veto.

"You were put up because you broke a promise."
- Nakomis

"I am putting up Michael to replace Adria."
- Nakomis


I guess that means that she should be the next one put up, especially since she promised Cowboy she would never put him up. And to do without telling him....sounds familiar, I guess blood isn't as thick as pinkies.

Although I am sort of rooting for Cowboy to take it all, I partially hope he is evicted, and then the wonder twin powers will really be activated.

The only two left in the house that I don't dislike are Marvin and Karen.

The twins are just annoying as hell. Their "twin talk" is assinine, their deep thoughts barely break the skin of the water, and they make about the stupidest faces I've ever seen on tv.

Cowboy is as dumb as dirt. I almost want him to win because I know his family probably won't get another shot at being taken care of.

Diane is just too damn manic depressive. One negative comment towards her and she's bawling like a baby.

Nakomis thinks she's as deep and introspectful as the twins are superficial.

"I guess that means that she should be the next one put up, especially since she promised Cowboy she would never put him up. And to do without telling him....sounds familiar, I guess blood isn't as thick as pinkies."

What episode did Nakomis promise this to Cowboy?

I don't think it was shown (although I did miss a few episodes). She has said that they had an agreement not to put each other up and she's also said to others that she wouldn't put Cowboy up but may vote him out if it came down to it.

Am I the last person in the world still hoping the twins stay and cowboy goes? Am I?


*echo*

Guess so. Ah well, here's hoping Marvin is 500k richer in september

Ok, so after tomorrow the twins are out. And this "week" is a double elimination week.

Aparrently there will be an eviction on Saturday (live) and then another one on Thursday. (Maybe the producers are getting bored and they want to end it quicker.)

Anyone have any thoughts on how the veto competition will change when there are only five players left?

The reason for the double elimination is because there are too many people in the house for the show to end on schedule. Natalie being added to the house gave them an extra person, now they have to take out two in a week to get things back on track.

The Veto comps will probably revert to the old method where everyone plays for them, although there are supposed to be some more twists coming...

We'll know by tomorrow wether Drew has the chalupas to break up the girls. He has to realize that he can go farther playing both sides than staying with just he girls. They'll drop him like a bad habit once Marvin and Cowboy are out.

Cowboy surprised me with his tattling ways.
I hadn't noticed that before. :rolleyes:

The evictions has already happened - it was on Friday. Tonight's show won't be live. I guess a weekend taping meant time and a half. So much for enjoying the HOH for more than 24 hours.

I must say that yesterdays Big Brother was probably the best episode I've seen yet. Up untill now I've had nothing by disdain for Diane. Although she is a complete hotty, her two facedness to the twins really pissed me off and made me turn on her, but her plan yesterday to break up Nakomis and Karen totally shocked me and I was excited to see it unfold!

I can't wait to see Nakomis' and Karen's faces on Thursday when Karen is ousted.

I have nothing against Karen, she's flown under the radar all of this game, but watching Nakomis' heart break live on TV will be priceless.

I agree. Didn't see this one coming, but it is the best strategy to make it to the end. You have to figure that whoever gets HOH on Thursday puts up Nakomis and a pawn. Assuming Nakomis doesn't get veto, she's gone. That leaves the endurance HOH to see who is out. Looks like Drew is going to make at least $50k.

I think that Diane is playing for $50k and is trying to posistion herself for that, I think she realizes that she has too many enemies in the jury house.

I liked Julie's interview with Karen. Karen is weeping over the knife still in her back, and Julie calls her on her broken promises to Diane. When you live in a fishbowl, all you know is what the other fish are talking about. And it doesn't take much to escalate things.

I am still rooting for Cowboy, but unless he can get the heart to win the survival competition, he's toast next week.

At this stage, i'm rooting for Drew despite his betrayal of Jase and Scott. I'm hoping that Nakomis gets the boot next week and i can't wait to see just how far Diane will go to win the game. She is definitely ruthless.

So, am I the only one actually jumped up and pumped his fist when Diane was booted. I did not expect Drew to go that way. I really don't care who wins, because this year it isn't Alison vs. Jun and you just didn't want either to win at all.

And another thing, I started to feel bad for Cowboy during the final competition. Who would you want to be friends with, who wouldn't you want to be related to...Couldn't they have used someone else as the decoy?

I'm right there with you. I didn't expect it to be her. But i have to admit, i'm incredibly annoyed by CB's dumb luck and how it's gotten him to the final two. Drew on the other hand, thats my boy. I was rooting for him or Marvin, so i'm thrilled to see him make it this far.

I am starting to wonder about the dumb luck. He smoked everyone in the circuit game and blew out Diane in the dna game. I don't think he'll be getting any offers from MIT, but he has started to pull out few. If you asked me a few weeks ago, probably a different answer. But for now...

Ok, my thoughts and questions about the finale last night:-

- Who almost gagged when Nakomis talked about blood being thicker than water and pissed off at cowboy evicting her.
- Who thought Jase was a whiny little ass that should grow up.
- Who was suprised to not see Diane and Drew kiss and makeup at the end - actually I don't think I saw them together at all, I wonder whats going on there.
- Who thinks Lori is so dang Hot!
- Who thought Marvin's questions to Cowboy were extremely unappropriate.

I gagged everytime Nakomis spoke through the whole season.

Jase is a whiny little ass and there's little chance he will grow up while dating a girl whose best friend is a mannequin.

I didn't really look at Diane and Drew at the end. There was little doubt she'd vote for Drew on the off chance that they could remain a couple outside the house and she'd get to spend some of the money. (Same goes for Nakomis and her vote for Cowboy).

Lori is damned hot.

Marvin was absolutely inappropriate and was also a whiny little ass too. I originially wanted Mike to win but that didn't last very long. Then I wanted Jase because he seemed to have the game nailed early on (but then I knew their little coalition would fall apart), and then I wanted Marvin to get the money. After his little performance last night I'm pretty happy he didn't win.

Between Drew and Cowboy I wish Cowboy would have won. Not because I like him but because Drew is a deceitful little weasel who should have honored at least one of his "friendships" during the game.

In the end, I think the only person I like in this entire season is Mike.

Right on target, except I thought Lori was just hot, not necessarily dang hot.

And I loved Mike's comment about Karen backstabbing everyone. When you are in the fishbowl, your memory is like a goldfish's. Every few seconds you see things differently.

At least this year I wasn't rooting for the lesser of two Allison's.

Not too happy with the ending.
Blah.....

nakomis has to be the eye sore of the 2004 TV season. damn the child is ugly. i wanted marvin to win (i always root for the minority of the group) but he was messing himself up by joining in on some alliances.


and why the hell do they always cry when they get booted out? Lori was cute, but she had the intelligence of Paris Hilton (which doesnt say much). I was so hoping that Cowboy would win...i thought he'd be like Kevin Spacey in "Usual Suspects"...after he'd win he would talk all proper and leave everyone with their jaws hitting the floor