Kill Bill Vol. 2
 

Damn, what an awesome movie. :D

Not as much action as Vol. 1, but that didn't matter much in this one as it spent a lot of time going over past events, like why Bill shot her, her training, etc.. basically anything left unanswered in Vol. 1 was accounted for and explained in this one.

If only other movies could follow suit and make a decent conclusion *cough*matrix*cough* Granted.. this movie was technically supposed to be one, but it doesn't disappoint at all.

I've heard people say that the lack of action (compared to Volume 1) makes it a lesser movie, but after I saw Volume 1, I myself was pretty interested in seeing how the story progresses, as opposed to seeing just more action.

Also I heard that Samuel Jackson is in it. Is that true?

Good movie.

What the world needs now

In my opinion it was better by far than the first one. I hated vol 1 though but 2 was character driven enough to keep my interest. together they would have been a great film instead of 1 being good and the other a mediocre one.

Yes, he is in chapter six (first chapter in the vol. 2). He has maybe 50 words he says, but it is funny. In the first one, he is the colored fellow that plays the paino.

I almost wish that he wouldent of cut them, and just released it as a 4 hour movie. It would of been better i feel. It will be better when Vol 2 is out on DVD and you can watch both togeather i think, but i also felt that you could watch vol 2 without seeing the first because the movie is already out of order with that chapters.

The movie is great though. Yes, there is less death, much less, but it is not missed. The action parts are great. The parts about her training are great, especially with the old school camera movements like zooming in on Pia Mi's face then zooming out after he is done talking.

Did anyone else notice the corpse in the graveyard making the bunny rabit shadow puppet on the back of the coffen? Things like this make it a great movie.

Hahaha, yes, that was great!

I loved it. I liked it better than the first vol. Sure the first was all about action and gore with little back story. This one was a lot of plot and was still able to splash in just enough action to satisfy. Better than I expected. The music, again, was done perfectly. Tarantino has an ear for these things.

I need to go see it again for it to sink in some more...

Tarantino will be releasing the full version later this year ("before christmas" is what he said, i believe.)
I don't have a link to back this up, sorry. I read it on AICN but I'm not able to find that article anymore.

The scenes with Pai Mei were great, the washed out vintage 8mm look was perfect. Loved it, but I'm split over which is the better movie. I missed some of the cheesyness the first had - "Tell me, darling Sofie... is she aware her daughter is still alive?" [Bill]

Classic. And fucking badass. And Hilarious. And fucking grand.

Absolutely loved it! To me it was just as good just in a different way.

9.5 / 10

It's what going to the movies should be like.
Loved it.

Pitch black screen and you can hear the dirt being thrown on! So creepy and so brilliant.

I'm so looking forward to this...I *loved* the first one..

Unfortunately, here in germany I won't be enjoying it in the theatre...
Oh well..the other way will have to suffice ;)

Everyone's on the money. If you thought the first volume had too much gore and too little character, this film will redress the balance. Stitched together, they are going to one fantastic fucking movie.

Just curious, but in your opinions should I rent the first one now or just wait for both of them to be released together on DVD? Never have seen either film and have barely read the plot summary, something about 'commatose rape' and 'pissed off chick with weapons' from what I understand.

dont fuck with la pei, bitch.

Just got back from seeing it! Less action, even MORE character development and backstory...better than the first. This movie is a masterpiece. See it now if you enjoyed the first one even a bit.

-Lasereth

Totally awesome movie. I cant decide which is better. Pai mei was the man. Elle was a crazy fucking lady.

Hey can some of you help me, my roommate bet me they wont release it together as one dvd but i heard that Quentin is going to recut the film and put it alltogether as one. Can anyone find a link to a quote for me about this because I havent been able to find one. If I win the bet he has to buy it for me when it comes out. thanks.

WARNING...SPOILER!!!


Spoiler: Budd should have got more screen time. The scene were Uma takes out Elle's other eye was one of the sweetest scenes evar!!! I also thought the scene where the teacher is calling out names and then it pans to Beatrix Kiddo... here!. That was pretty fun.

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I loved it. A modern masterpiece. Everyone should see these movies. I don't feel like typing out my whole review or anything, but it was definitely one of the best movies I've ever seen.

Asuka{eve} put a spoiler warning on your post for people who havent seen it. That was awesome as hell though.

I thought it was really good but it seemed a little wordy at times...I think the first one was better.

That was my only complaint. I also think the first had more memorable moments. I look back and they just don't add up the same. I also wish there was more swordplay. Still, great movie.

My only complaint about both volumes of Kill Bill is relatively simple: No Sam Jackson. A Tarantino film without Mr. Jackson is somehow less fulfilling. Other than that, a movie of epic and biblical greatness.

It's Pai Mei bitch! :lol:

LOL! Did you even pay attention during the films? Sam is in it. He plays the organ player in the church.

I saw Vol. 2 today and loved it. My only complaint was the pacing especially in the beginning. It could of used some tweaking.

This movie was fuckin' amazing. Everything about this movie was just first-class. I loved it.

He's in Volume 2...he plays Rufus the organ player

Sammy J isn't in Reservoir Dogs, and that certainly doesn't make it less of a movie!

In fact, he's only been in two of Quentin's movies: Pulp Fiction and Jackie Brown.

BTW, anyone else hear anything about Quentin's next movie, Inglorious Bastards (http://imdb.com/title/tt0361748/)? I heard it's a WWII type flick.

He's also involved in the movie "Hero" (shown in previews before Kill Bill Vol. 2) that, strangely enough, isn't on IMDB anywhere! The preview stated, "Quentin Tarantino presents..", but I can't find anything on it.

It was awesome and thats all you need to know.

Just got home from seeing it, and it is top notch tarentino goodness. I love the character development, and the thickening story. It also answers questions that you might have been asking yourself after watching volume one. I really liked it. Pai mei is my hero.. 9.5/10

Another vote for "extremely good".

If you haven't seen vol.1, still go to the theater.

There are a few scenes that should be seen in the dark on a big screen :D

I didnt know that the Gordon Lui played the parts for Johnny Mo (the head of the Crazy 88) and Pai Mei. Thats awesome. And also having Sonny Chiba as Hattori Hanzo was just a totally kick ass decision by Tarantino.

It's odd to rate them independantly... because it's ONE movie, told in serial. When Vol 2 is out on DVD and people can watch them together to make one movie, we will all see a fucking truly badass movie.

I hope he DOES release the whole thing as one movie in the future. That would be awesome as hell.

double post

Hero was made before quentin tag was added. He's only doing this so it'll get released in the states (did the same with iron monkey)

Michael Madsen was awesome in vol. 2 as well! I was hoping for something along the lines of Mr. Blonde, but Bud managed to be way more awesome. I loved Reservoir Dogs, and the razor out of the cowboy boots reference was just too much! Thank you Quentin!

I thought vol 2 was quite awesome and in many ways a better release than vol 1. Either way, though, the two parts form an unbelievable masterpiece.

I don't know about anyone else, but I was amazed by the emotion evoked by each and every scene. Nothing was wasted.

oh, i cant wait to see the double feature...only 3 more days....

Well - looks like everyone was on the same page with this. I loved it too! I laughed my ass off and was generally entertained. I have now set out on a quest to lean Pei Mei's Five Point Palm of the Exploding Heart Technique.

When you learn teach me!

The WWII movie should be great. I would love to see his take on it. I read that the way he could link it togeather with all of his other movies (they are all linked in one way or another) is to have Butch's(pulp fiction) grandpa as a character with the watch. Either way, it will be great if/when its done. IMDB had 2005 last time i saw for the release and i doubt that. My guess would be '07-'09, somewhere in there.

He also has a script/ideas for Kill Bill Vol. 3. This would be the daughters fighting, The Brides and the daughter of the first girl she killed.

Also, there is the idea for a Vega Brothers (Mr. Blonde and Vincent Vega).

Mr. Blonde was a Vega? I didn't know that.

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IMDB has him as Mr. Blonde/Vic Vega. Interesting!

If Volume 1 and 2 don't win best picture, I don't what will. Volume 2 was absolutely fuckin amazing. There isn't enough I can say about it. It was perfect. Citizen Kane be damned. Quentin Tarantino could have me if he so desired. The casting was perfect, David Carradine was incredible, as was Uma. The soundtrack rocked. I haven't stopped talking about it since I saw it last night.

Kind of an awe aspiring movie. The style of QT make it as great as it is.

One thing I didn't quite get was her name. They bleeped it out in Vol 1 and a good part of Vol 2, then they "unveil" it as if it was a major plot connection point or something.

That's basically what I'm thinking. This is about as close to movie perfection as it gets. There was literally NOTHING wrong with this movie. Combining the two together simply makes the effect multiplied. I've never seen characters so fully developed and likeable (even the bad guys) in a movie before. Every single shot had importance, every single angle was planned thoughtfully. There was not a prop, color, backdrop, set, light, or even spec of dust that was not meant to be there. When it was all combined together, it ends up being a true masterpiece.

-Lasereth

Bud's character was the most awesome out of the Deadly Viper Assassination Squad in my opinion. While all three women went on to future success, Bud was left a trailer living redneck loser, despite being Bill's brother, because he didn't think what they did to Beatrix was right. Hell, he realized he deserved to die. I really felt sorry for him, but when it came down to it his evil roots came through when he needed to survive. Excellent character++

**SPOILER**

I loved this film, but I have a big problem with it. Can someone please explain to me how one can get shot in the chest by a 12-guage shotgun at almost point blank range, and then live to tell about it???

I understand that we are not supposed to think too deeply into this and there were plenty of other scenes that question the level of believe-ability. This particular incident just did not sit well with me, as this just threw all logical reasoning out of the window as apposed to other scenes which just seemed to "stretch the truth"....

Anyways, still a SWEET movie...

you must have not been listening to the dialogoe. not really sure how you missed it, since every sentence in QT's work is priceless. Budd said (twice) that the shells were filled with rock salt instead of buck shot. It just hurts like hell and barely punctures the skin. Won't penetrate like buck shot.

I agree totally. Budd was probably the best character out of the entire movie (besides Kiddo!). It's one of those things where you hate to see him die because he was such a good character.

-Lasereth

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at the end of the movie where Beatrix was on the bathroom floor, while her daughter was watching tv, do you think that she was crying, laughing or both?

both

A little bit of both I think, but both were because she was so happy. She even thanked God(I assume) for having her little girl.

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Like everyone else, I loved both movies, and I only have one complaint for the entire compilation. The ending fight between Beatrix and Bill needed to be more grand. The amount of build up and character development between the two demanded, in my opinion, a venom filled battle of epic proportions, which of course would end with the same result, and even in the same manner. I spent 2 hours soaking in every spoken word, investing myself in Bill's character, and Beatrix's love/hatred of him, that to have it over so quickly was a complete let down.

Now don't get me wrong, I don't think anything already in the movies should be changed or shortened, especially the dialogue. Tarantino had me hanging on every spoken word he had written. And Carradine's delivery and screen presence was amazing. I did not think he had the acting chops to pull that off, but by the end, I couldn't think of anyone else who could have been Bill. I just simply believe that, for what ever reason, artistic or otherwise, Tarantino shafted us on what should have been a mind blowing melee between 2 larger than life characters.

I have a feeling I'm going to get torn apart for this belief, but please be gentle :)

I had read an early script for the movie, and it seems that a short bit of fighting is all that the battle between Kiddo and Bill was supposed to be. Actually, according to that early script, they do go down to the beach, and Kiddo blocks all Bill's sword blows with the sheath of her Hanzo sword, and then performs the 5-point-exploding-heart-technique. Then there was supposed to be even more talking after she hits him with it.

*SPOILER*

I thought it ended perfectly! I was actually hoping it wouldn't be too long of a "fight." Whenever she did the exploding heart technique on him, it was completely unexpected and a perfect way to end the movie. He could talk to her after he was dead basically, and had the option of choosing when to die. That made it way more emotional than any sword fight could have been.

-Lasereth

totally agree. I wouldn't have wanted it any other way. it just shows how much beatrix had grown from the time she was shot 'til the time she was there to kill bill. I loved it; completely unexpected, and WAY more emotional.

just imagine this: they fight for a while and it gets redundant and then she finally kills bill. you know it's gonna happen, so why fight?

I think the ending was perfect :)





I also believe she was crying AND laughing at the end, like the above person said.

i agree that the ending was perfect, I expected a big fight but after i saw the way it ended, i was completely happy with the way she did it. And its ironic because pai mei never taught that move to Bill but did to Beatrix.

Pai Mei. That guy was fuckin awesome. He deserves a movie of his own.

I love QT... Kill Bill vol. 2 exceeded all expectations i had of it.. and I had HUGE expectations...

Everyone should see it and buy it.. ... now.

Vol 2 was definitely awesome. Pai Mei was a fuckin great character. I loved the beard stroking thing.

I did have one complaint:

Spoiler: that neither Budd, or Elle died specifically at the hands of the Bride. I thought that they should have both met their end directly from the Bride to carry on with the whole revenge theme. Budd was killed by Elle, and Elle was left for dead and it was just kind of assumed that she actually died. I liked the "you and I have unfinished business" line that she did for everbody else, but this didn't happen with Budd and Elle. i suppose this may have something to do with the east/west contrasts of each film.

but i consider these complaints pretty minor, and just me being a tad bit picky. but other than that i thought that it was an excellent film, and even better when looking at both volumes as a whole. Tarantino is a god damn genius.

Pei Mei was fucking awesome. Thank god I don' t know the Five Point Palm Exploding Heart Technique, I'm too irresponsible.

I liked the ending. All in all a fucking badass movie.

might rent the DVDs when are released, the story does sound interesting.
edit: might even watch Pulp Fiction one of these days or this 'Boondock Saints' film.

I haven't watched it yet.....Is this the final installment? Or are there gonna be more? I was kinda dissapointed with Vol. 1 since it ended so abruptly.. but I liked Vol.1, so I'll go see the next one.

Buy the boxed set. Watch both Pulp Fiction and Boondock Saints. If you watch Boondock Saints, just make sure you see the 'unedited' version, which is damn near impossible to find here in the states, so if you buy Boondock Saints, get it from ebay, and make sure its the European version.

Spoiler: Elle would've died eventually either from bleeding or the Black Mamba roaming around in the trailer. If anything, she suffered the most out of them all, IMO.

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I don't see any problems with how Budd and Elle died. If ya think about it, both of them still died due to The Bride. The only reason Elle came to Budd was for the Hattori Hanzo sword. Budd had it because of Beatrix' capture. So Elle killed Budd because of Beatrix' sword, and Elle died from getting her other eye ripped out by Beatrix (and probably being bitten by the Black Mamba). Whether directly or indirectly, every person on The Bride's list DID die because of her revenge. I'm glad they died in different ways as well -- just a regular sword/slash stab death would have got old.

-Lasereth

Spoiler: I also had no problems with the conclusions of Elle and Budd. Not every story must end up like the Game of Death, where the protagonist defeats each boss, one at a time. It has more character this way and is, quite franky, more interesting (and, perhaps more to the point, Quentin's style).

Besides, didn't she get her revenge against Elle? I mean, Elle was left for dead but, even if she survived, she's blind and, for the deadly California Mountain Snake, isn't that a fate worse than death?
It's also unclear how she might die. The black momba didn't touch them during that entire fight scene nor while Elle was picking up the money. I would be more concerned about the fact that Elle is stuck in the middle of nowhere while blind. How long can she live like that?




By the way, tell me if those links show up through the spoiler tag...

i dont see any links...

Yes (Mozilla Firefox, WinXP); the text of the links are displayed as black text, floating in a sea of white.

SPOILER!!!!!!!!




Budd did die in a way by Beatrix since her code name is Black Mamba and a Black Mamba did kill him

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Totally disagree. That ending fight was PERFECT if you ask me. Part of the "battle" was their conversation. He knew it was invevitable that they would fight, but he had to justify what he did. The whole "what would you expect from a killer" thing was great. In addition, the Clark Kent thing was beautiful.

The actual battle showed her unexpected superior technique. The "now I am the Master" theme is always a good one in classic Kung Foo. Between getting shot with the truth serum, the gun that Bill had and just the whole advantage throughtout the movie that he enjoyed, it was a classic battle and wholly orignial at the same time. Great stuff.

Oh yeah - I don't think the deadly assasin Viper Squad would kill all those people with guns. I think they would have at least used swords and they may have allowed some of the innocent to leave first. They seem to have some honor (it is not like the crazy 88s or whatever came after The Bride with machine guns or anything.)

I dunno. Great movie either way. . .

I think in normal cases they wouldn't deal with the others, but this was different. Bill is pissed. And all the DVAS know better than to go against an angry Bill.

If you're still reading this thread, you obviously don't care about spoilers...




Are you saying I'm a superhero?

I specifically said I wouldn't change ANYTHING that was already in the movie. Not the way Bill died, nor the amount of diolague he had. As a matter of fact, Carradine could have talked throughout the entire flic, and I would have been even more in awe of his performance. In my action movies, even action/noir, I require an insanely epic battle for the finale, especially when that battle has been built up over 2 movies. That characters deserve that much, at least.

Regarding a few comments about guns, I read in an interview (I came across when googling something about Hattori Hanzo, but I tried again recently and couldn't find the link) with QT and he explained how KB took place in his alternate universe, and though guns did exist and were widely used, the Samurai Sword was the weapon of choice, and owned by virtually everyone. Hence The Bride being able to bring her sword on the plane with her, walking with it into a Yakuza bar, etc.

As for Elle and Budd, I thought it was set up perfectly. I interpreted it like this: Elle basically fucked everything up by using the Black Mamba on Budd (which I suppose could be symbolic as the Bride taking her revenge on Budd anyway, as it was a Black Mamba, her namesake), but when Beatrix confronted her in the trailer, and plucked out Elle's eye, it was like all the pieces fell in place - the Pupil avenged Pai Mei's death by taking out her other eye, and most likely in the course of flailing around the trailer floor, she got bitten by the Black Mamba - again using symbolism of Beatrix's namesake, as well as the karma of Elle stealing the right of killing Budd from Beatrix. I dunno. Maybe I'm just looking too far into it.

Awesome, awesome film. The more I think about it the more I love it. I mean Vol 1, brilliant, Vol 2, possibly better. In the words of Homer Simpson, this was 'groin grabbingly good!'
How much did I love the Pei Mai scenes, they just rocked so hard. Only QT could create that crazy sense you get with oldschool Kung Fu that a character like Pei Mai is just untouchable. I'm going to go watch that again tomorrow methinks.

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If you watch the credits through to the part with the bride just driving, it shows the names of the 5 people in the DVAS, and it shows a line being drawn through all of them, but when it comes to Elle, it just puts a question mark through the name. leaves some room open for interpretation there :)

Oh man, I was wondering what the hell was after the credits. That's awesome.

No, I think your analysis was excellent, and the amount of depth was just right.

she broke his heart.
and when that wasn't good enough...
She Broke His Heart.

I thought Bud was the only refreshing thing in part 2. Almost every other scene was drawn out and boring and just something to put between fight scenes because the plot was minimal. ALL of the dialogue was boring, and the "Grand Finale" involving David Carradine was the dullest thing I've seen in quite some time. The ENTIRE film should have been an hour and 1/2, without all the worthless crap, and it would have been a much better film.

sounds like Titantic or Gladiator when put that way. If anything I will wait until the DVD is available for rent in the dollar range. Might not even go out of my way to watch it then; I seem to to have 'missed' many of the popular/cult films from the 10+ years and have been fine with it so far.

What a lot of people are missing is that these movies weren't made for action. They were made for the characters. And every piece of dialogue in Volume 2 is rich with intent and meaning. If you go to see the movie for the entertainment value of car chases, fighting 88 people at one time, or explosions, you've come to the wrong place. Those who actually care about the characters will cherish every moment of dialogue in this movie, and not want it to end.

again, QT dose want to do a vol 3. I saw this come up a few times. do a google search for Kill Bill vol. 3 and you will get interviews with QT and other articles.

Ok, I have a rather odd question.

When we first see Beatrix tied up by Budd, the screen changes from widescreen to a tv-like aspect ratio. Why is this?

I didn't notice this particular change, which is odd considering how major it was. But I did notice over 5 significantly different styles of cinematography and photography thru out the film. Compare for example the scenes with Pai Mei and the scenes with Bill and BB.

My guess is that QT was just trying to convey a certain mood with different styles of film.

that is good.Cheesy action/fight movies that focus on the not-so-special effects at the expense of any kind of plot or the "main hero fighting 100 people at once" scenarios lose my interest very quickly. Two big reasons that the first Matrix sequel (watched most of it on DVD two or three months back) was mostly dreadful IMO.

The Mask is one of the few recent films (only one off the top of my head actually) that I love that focuses on eye candy with just enough plot to hold it together.

the aspect ratio switch was made to help provide a sense of the claustrophobia of the situation.

That opinion is made with the belief that the Kill Bill movies are action movies. They aren't. They're movies that are based around a simple plot, totally driven by dialogue and character development. If ya go to see Kill Bill to see an action movie, damn, I'd be surprised if you *weren't* disappointed. None of the action scenes in Kill Bill 1 or 2 are bad, but they're simply not designed to be the basis of the movies. I was personally relieved when volume 2 had less action and more dialogue. And as I said before, the end of Bill was simply perfect. I wouldn't have it any other way.

-Lasereth

i found the movie was the complete opposite of dull i was on the edge of my seat the whole time for both movies.

To each, his own opinion. I simply didn't like it, for the reasons stated. I thought it was dull. I loved part 1. I thought part two was bloated.

Loved part two.. Absolutly loved it. David Caradine was perfect!

You can get the unedited version in Canada as well. Thats where I got mine ;)

I just saw Vol.2 last night, and I have to say that the switch in style was startling. Though title Vol.1 and Vol.2, and basically being 2 halves of the same movie, they felt like two completely different films. The momentum in Vol.1 was fast and relentless. Vol.2 went from 5th gear to 2nd gear, slowing way down and turning more into a character driven movie.

I think the big difference I saw here as opposed to other QT films was that in movies like RD and PF, the long dialogue scenes can be carried off because they are always filled with tension. I mean Reservoir Dogs had me on the edge of my seat the entire time because you never knew what was going to happen next. You were never allowed to sit back and relax.

Conversely, several of the scenes in Vol.2 allowed you to do just that. The story at the campfire, the first half of the wedding rehearsal scene, etc. were a little long and were not filled with tension. When Bill showed up at the church, however, the tension was ratcheted up and I was back into it.

All that said, I enjoyed Vol.2. It just took me a while to get into it considering what my expectations were of it.

Gordon Liu, the actor who plays Pai Mei and the leader of the Crazy 88, does have many movies of his own. He was hired for the role because Tarantino really enjoyed his movies. The character Pai Mei also has movies of his own, though he is played by a different actor.

People kept saying Kill Bill would be better as a merged movie and you'll be hard-pressed to find someone who disagrees. In reality, the vast majority of the movie-going population does not like to sit through a four-hour movie, no matter how much they think they do. Furthermore, it was the Weinstein brothers who split up the movie not Tarantino. If the movie was released as one the release date would have been pushed a few months back as it was not complete at its original release date.

Bonus Trivia: The name 'Beatrix Kiddo' shows up uncensored in Volume 1. They are on the plane tickets.

I personally found Pei Mei to be a dirturbingly funny character. Kong Fu is popular is northern China, so why the hell is Pei Mei speaking Cantonese? Also the hair stroking thing is a bit stupid though I laugh my ass off everytime he did it. Was that a trade mark from imported kong fu movies?

pai mei was in a whole bunch of 70's and 80's jung fu movies.

I'm mostly with docbungle on how Vol.2 turned out. I'm all for movies with plot and character development but a lot of it seemed forced and drawn out. Were the actors told to speak slowly and put heaps of attention-grabbing emphasis on every word? It seemed that way most of the time.

I think the dialogue could have used a bit of trimming. The actions scenes were fine. The part with Pai Mei was great, but I would have liked to see some more of it. the one single biggest problem I had was with her name. What kind of name is Beatrix Kiddo? Now I know why they kept it a secret. It instills a mingled sense of laughter and horror all at once.

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No way could she have escaped from that coffin. Okay, the short-range punch might just have been do-able, but that spiral jump she did through 6ft of earth was just silly. Have you ever been even partially buried in sand at the beach? QT obviously hasn't.

The Mamba in the case was, I think, the single scariest thing I've ever seen at the cinema. I confess that I yelped like a little doggie. Exhilarating.

The one major disappointment for me was...Uma's baps. Where have they gone? They even get a mention in the script, and there was a time (circa Dangerous Liaisons ) when they would easily have merited such attention. Not here, and I had half a mind to ask for my money back. Too much working out, say I, and not enough chocolate.

the film's great.
go-go yubari's sister, yuki was cut from the film though, it would have been interesting to see that