None of them did anything spectacular tonight, but I'm rooting for that Andrew(?) Federov. We'll see what Ladies Night brings.

How many of those people are just acting because they want to be on TV?

And it's Anthony Fedorov.

Bo definately rocked....as did Constantine

Mrs. Warrrreagl and I agree that Bo sounded better, but Constantine has got this Johnny Depp thing going for him.

i wasn't that impressed with constantine. Bo was great, though.

Bo was awesome, I was surprised how bad constantine blew the song; because for the most part he is a pretty good singer. Go rockers, hope they go far.

Dammit I missed them. :(

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What did the guys sing?

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I think the guys out-sang the girls. Carrie has been one of my favorites from the early competition, and after watching tonight she is still way up there. But most of the rest were pretty boring. The guys are much more exciting to watch.

I missed the guys but I agree about the girls. A lot of it I've heard before again and again so thats dissapointing. Few good ones but other than that they were just "eh"

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I was quite disappointed with Anwar's comments tonight before the results were announced. I really like him, and I voted for him.

Poor constatine prolly had to change his shorts after that little "psyche" Seacrest pulled. :lol:

Did he say something bad? I must've missed that because I thought he basically said "you never know til it's over".. But then again I tend to zone out when they are "blah blah blah"ing with the contestants.

I'm curious if anyone here (besides Grancey) voted this round, and if so who did you vote for.

Our household voted for:

Bo
Constatine
Niko
Scott
Mario

Nadia
Aloha
Carrie

I thought the first girl voted out was going to punch somebody. That was a mighty looong uncomfortable moment up there with her at first. However, I think her complaint was the best I'd heard, and one that has been voiced before in my household. She basically said that she was not given the same TV exposure during the first several weeks of the broadcast as some of the other finalists, and she didn't have the same opportunity to build up a fan base like they did.

Damn good point! I thought her singing sucked, but she had a damn good point.

At the time FOX was editing the tryout and Hollywood footage, they already knew who the 24 finalists would be, so it seems unfair to have given some finalists more exposure than others. She's right. I've watched every episode this season, and I'm seeing some of these finalists for the very first time this week.

^ See I don't really think it's a damn good point. Honestly she had all the exposure she freakin needed the night she performed. Think about last year when Latoya came out for her first performance and sang "All By Myself" She had even less exposure in the previous weeks than the first girl voted off last night and she brought the damn house down standing ovation and everything. Nobody recognized her I know I didn't and they even said "Wow it's like you came out of nowhere!" and then she was favored to win the competition. Thats the opportunity that girl had when she sang...and if she was really as good as Randy said (I don't value his opinion very much though) she did not show it that night.

See my problem with these singers is they take songs and make them harder than they are by trying to sing them with unecessary ammounts of vibrato, and r&b like runs. It's not necessary. She was a perfect example of trying too hard. Instead of just singing "Whenever you reach for meeeeeeee" She sang "Whenever you reee each for mee ee ee ee" and lost herself trying to sing it that way. Just sing it like it's sung! It's not like you have to change the song around cause it doesn't showcase a voice well enough. People do the same shit to the damn National Anthem all the damn time and that annoys me as well. Some people can just do that..it comes natural and they don't overdo it..and others it's painfully obvious that they're trying. On a show like that you can't afford to take that kind of risk..if she wanted to sing like that she should have picked a different song.

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To paraphrase, so these are not the exact words he used.....
Ryan asked Anwar how he thought the voting would go, and Anwar responded that it depended on the diversity of the voters.

This household voted for:

Anthony
Bo
Constantine
Anwar
Joseph (I had difficulty getting through to vote for him)

Carrie (I think she will win the whole thing)

This household voted for Bo and Constantine

I'm Canadian, so they don't let me vote....

BOO!!!

oh man Bo kicked some major butt tonite!!! whew...that was a great performance :)

^ I got it Tivo'd! :D I'll see it later tonight! :thumbsup:

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K buddy....you will agree....he blew them ALL away tonite

even Simon said so :lol:

I'm rootin for the rockers! It's about fuckin time! So Constantine didn't do great today or what?

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He did much better this week, but he did Hard to Handle by the Black Crows and decided to scream a little in it lol

I think he'll advance...hope he does I want to see it come down to Bo and Constantine :lol:

I fuckin love that song! I'm a little bitter about hearing anyone other that Chris Robinson singin it though :lol: I remember when Const was worried he wasn't gonna make it cause Bo made it...why would they want one rocker against everyone else when they can have 2 battle it out? :rolleyes: They better fuckin make it to the big stage! :D

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Okay just watched it :). I did <b>NOT</b> like what they did to David. Dammit he was fantastic and they shitted on him. The other guy who sang Al Green was great too..he had great control. Those 2 are probably going home too which sux cause I thought they did a great job. Anwar I did NOT like as much as the judges. I thought most of the performance was rather boring. He has a great voice it was just boring...until the end. Randy told the one guy "I was looking for that one note or run." Dammit theres more to singing than just a damn note..like an overall performance. To me thats all Anwars was..was one note. Mario I of course love him he's just got it....Scott too..among others...I was nervous when I noticed Federov was singing FOREIGNER! Hard band to sing but he did great...now the rockers..

Constantine...wow..I really thought he fucked the song up pretty bad :| But it's Chris Robinson so I'm forgiving. The screaming wasn't very authentic but not everyone can do that. But I agree with what Simon said about any bar, with any band, I could have gone up there and did what he did and I'm not that good. I hope they forgive him though cause I wanna see more of him.

Bo...FUCK YEAH! ALLMANS! He fuckin brought it! CHEAH! Definitely authentic. He's a real rocker. I thought he was gonna break the mic stand on his knee at the end I was waiting for it I was like "BREAK IT DUDE FUCKIN BREAK IT!" but he didn't :(. That woulda been perfect. I don't think they woulda got mad if he did. :D

They really got their work cut out for them picking this year as far as the guys are concerned..they're just all so talented. I HATE how they're doing it this year though...because they're seperating the boys and girls and they're eliminating guys that sing better than some of the girls that they're keeping dammit!! HUGE FLAW there. Oh well nothing ya can do about it.

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Watched this tonight and yes that Bo guy was damn good. I don't think he'll win because I'm betting when it gets to the top 10 he will have problems keeping things up to par but he's actually a good singer. That is something a lot of rockers don't have they just sing really loudly but not well. Bo has it but Constantine is an example of the rocker that sings loudly but not particularly well.

Yeah it's clear as soon as you hear Bo sing who is the truer, better rocker of the 2. Right away you notice his tone..he actually has it. Const doesn't really have it...he relies on other stuff. And of course they're gonna prolly fuck Bo over once he makes it to the big stage and they make him sing R&B & Soul, Big Band, etc. and claim he can't "adapt" or some bullshit but I think he can...and I think he will and if they like him then as much as they like him now...they're gonna love it. I think he has the ability to bring it. He's got more experiance and knows his voice.

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I am not one for reality shows. However, the American version of American Idol, this season, has actually proved entertaining. I don't watch it for the rejection, or who sucks. I'm more interested in those that are strong, confident, unique and vocally well-trained.
In any catagory, people with true talent impresses, amazes and inspires me.

Your world becomes a sunny place when you look on the bright side of things.

^ Being a vocalist myself...It is impossible for me to NOT notice when someone sucks..especially when they're supposed to be some of the best in America. It also makes me appreciate those that REALLY have it more too...because I actually know more about WHY they have it as opposed to those who don't know anything about it but just like the way they sound. It's a big difference because those kind of people don't notice a wrong note, bad pitch, flat tone, etc. I pick it up immediately and I don't even know how to read music. Even if I haven't heard the song before sometimes I can just tell "Hmm something just doesn't sound right" The judges throw the words "key" "notes" and "pitch" around A LOT....Especially "pitch" and they don't even know what the words mean. I'll hear Randy complain about pitch to one guy and the guy he's praising is actually the one that is pitchy. Simon throws "wrong key" when really it's in the right key but just an octive lower or higher. Stuff like that.

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Otis Redding, originally.

hehehe lets get technical why dont we.....he was doing chris robinson's version

did ya'll see where Bo was talking about the company he worked for? They wanted him to quit and when he wouldnt they FIRED him for being on AI? geez

"And of course they're gonna prolly fuck Bo over once he makes it to the big stage and they make him sing R&B & Soul, Big Band, etc. and claim he can't "adapt" or some bullshit but I think he can...and I think he will and if they like him then as much as they like him now...they're gonna love it. I think he has the ability to bring it. He's got more experiance and knows his voice."

I couldn't agree more. Just from the bit we've heard thus far, I believe Bo has the ability to cross-over to both R&B and Country fairly easily. I think Showtunes or Barry Manilow-type songs will give him the most problem.

I think Constantine sucks vocally, but he's definitely the favorite of every woman watching over the age of 28 (although Bo may have won some of them over last night).

At this point, the competitions seems to be between Bo and Mario. It'll be interesting to see whether Mario can go outside of his disco saftey zone. I'm certain he'll do will with the showtune and pop formats, but Country may be problematic for him. And if Bo and Constantine stay in for a while, who knows, maybe they'll have a hard rock format one night? I'll bet Mario can't pull that off very convincingly.

What I fear is the "Show Choir"-like singing and dancing numbers that they make everyone do at the beginning of the finals. I reeeaaaallllyy do not want to see Bo wave his hands over his head singing "This is the dawning of the Age of Aquarius..." Yikes.

hehehe I think Bo doing age of aquarius would be great....I bet he could pull it off unlike Constantine :lol:

The one I fear for Bo is something like gloria estefan nite!!!!

I've already got my top 3-4 guys picked out.
It's going to be Bo,Anwar,Mario, and probably that Bubba looking guy or Vladimir or whatever the hell his name is.
Everybody else while decent just are IMO a level below those guys. But even still they probably should have a top 10 make up of like 6-7 guys compared to 3-4 girls because the females just haven't impressed at all thus far. I'll record it tonight so hopefully I can hear some good female singing but I just have this feeling it's going to be another all male final at the end of the season just like season two. And while I think Bo will be the underdog I think he'll do well outside of the contest.

They have targeted Fantasia mostly to the urban audience(I hear her stuff on the urban stations here in Dallas all the time but never on the Top 40 stations). So maybe they will do the same with Bo and get him all nice and packaged up and put on some rock stations. He can sing better than just about every lead man in any significant rock ensamble that I can think of that's out right now.

I think Bo is great and definitely at the top of my list and not just because he is a fellow Alabamian. And I would like to see a "rocker" win, but it's not going to happen. I feel certain that he will get a recording contract after AI and be very successful. I still think Carrie will win. She's got "it".

I'd think he couldn't but see this is where I hate the judges and America. They don't expect Mario to fuckin adapt. They want him to sing everything just like he's been singing it. They expect Bo and Constantine to adapt...because they're not R&B. If you're and R&B or soul/gospel singer on that show it doesn't matter what genre you sing yer always "terrific!" even if you don't sound like a convicing crooner, rocker, country, etc. singer. And just like all the other 3 American Idols, this next one is gonna be an R&B/Soul/Gospel singer. I'd be willing to put money on it.

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Okay I'm officially pissed! :mad: I just saw the results show (I had it Tivo'd) None of the guys who went home deserved to leave! They both sang great. David especially he was excellent. They better bring his ass back during the wild card round this year. They also asked Joe what he felt he did wrong and he simply said "Nothing" And he's right. The guy who sang "All Night Long" should have gone home. And I'm a little torn on Constantine as well...I love the guy but he did not perform as well as the 2 that left.

Aloha left. I'm also really pissed off at that. Her performance was damn near flawless and they had to shit all over her like they did everyone else that left. They don't know what the fuck they are talking about. I wish America didn't hold their opinions so high. They said she was bad and America actually fucking believed it. I bet before they even said anything America thought she did great. I also hope they bring her back in the Wildcard round as well. From the girls the 16 yr old should have gone instead of Aloha. She's just not very good. She gave 2 bad performances already she should be home.

This really fuckin sux. :|

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I don't think i'd go that far...
 

I don't think I would go so far as to say "I'm pissed" or "this really fucking sux" (it is just America Idol after all), but David was certainly a surprise. That said, I looked at David's performance right after the show and was able to confirm that it did in fact suck ass. Very very off pitch until he was able to put some power behind it...oh well, I bet he'll comeback as a wild card (assuming they have include that inthe format this year).

Re Joe: Look he didn't have a chance from the beginning. He was definitely not going to make the top 6 guys. The only question was whether he was going to go this week or next week. He reminds me of an updated version of an old Vegas singer...does anyone here remember a couple from the 70s talk show circuit named Steve Lawrence (sang with Edie Gorme)? Joe is a 21st century Steve Lawrence as far as I am concerned.

You're wrong about the girls. They sucked. Did others suck more? Yes. But those that did suck more will likely go next week.

Here's the thing that made me respect Joe. After he said "Nothing", he said that he didn't receive a lot of airtime prior to the semi-finals. That is the thru-line for everyone voted off thus far (except David). Seven of the eight people voted off thus far were rarely if ever mentioned in prior shows, while that no-talant freak Makalah Gordon got a huge amount of screen time. I guarantee you that is why she is still in the competition.

My best guess for next week's eliminations...

Guys: Travis Tucker and Anthony Federov will be the next to go. However,if either one of them shine and Constantine really sucks, then Constantine will be next to go...I don't know if the horny housewives will be able to keep Constantine on the show...especially if the androgenous-loving tweenies vote for Federov in droves. So it's one of those three.

Girls: Janay Castine and Lindsey Cardinale

My best guess for the final three (so far):

Mario Vasquez, Bo Bice and Carrie Underwood

Hmmm... I'm fairly impressed with Mikalah. Voice isn't perfect, but she's fearless and like her or not, she was dead on this week.

I don't know if this has already been mentioned, but freakin Constantine was on the dating-show Elimidate. My girlfriend is watching it right now and called me over when she recognized him. What a goof

^ Yer fuckin kidding me! Dammit I wish I coulda seen that. So he got eliminated? :lol:

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That show sucks

Voted for Scott Savol first cause I felt like he needed it. Then voted for Bo second cause he's the shit.

I hate to say it but of the ones left in the guys...probably Constantine should go. Definitely that Travis guy should go...he's all flash and no substance. I feel the people that need to be worried this time around are Scott (I thought he did great though), Constantine, and Travis..MAYBE Federov too. Constantine has a big audience though so I don't think he'll go which is why I think Scott might. That would suck but damn near all the guys they have deserve to go to the big show.

Kinda makes me wonder if they'll actually have a wildcard round this year because the way they're voting them off it'd be a REALLY small wild card round unless they want to basically just bring everyone who's left back again. Confusing :confused:

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anwar is good. i think he is going to win. constantine was off on some parts of his song.

my vote went to Bo....constantine sucked last nite

OK...so after last night I'm going to amend my prediction a bit about who gets voted off. Originally I guessed Travis Tucker and either Constantine Maroulis or Anthony Federov. I disagree with myself now.

Now Travis is still definitely a goner. That said, I think Anthony "trachea boy" Federov did well enough last night to carry him into the finals. So, I think that it's gonna be Travis and either Constantine or Nikko. If I had to put money on it I'd say Travis and Nikko - I think Constantine has a following of middle-aged housewives that were in college in the late 80s and he remindes them of those times. The Police song, however weakly executed, was sung to solidify that base...that pudgy but horny base.

excuse me but im pudgy, horny and a middle aged 80's geek....constantine needs to go after that performance

^ You tell em Shani! I hate to say it but Constantine probably should go. He has charisma but not much in the vocal department. Nikko isn't going anywhere. He's one of better singers in the competition. Plus the ladies seem to love him too. My predictions still stand and I hope it ain't Scott.

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I gotta start putting money on this...

^ That doesn't make my statement any less true though. He is one of the better singers. I'm glad Scott made it in but I think it sucked that Niko didn't. He sings better than Federov, Constantine, Lindsey, Mikalah, and that other girl with the lisp. I don't think she shoulda been in at all actually. Sux. Looks like theres definitely not gonna be a wildcard round this year which sux because in the past years the wildcards have been some of the best ones. Talk all the shit you want about him but Clay was a wildcard and he's got a great voice. George and Jennifer we're wild cards last year and I thought they were both amazing...I wanted both of them in the top 3. George woulda been if it hadn't been for Hawaii (no offense to those of you who live there). Still a pretty good top 12 though.

If you want to know the real reason why Constantine made it to the top 12 it's this...2 rockers against everyone else is a hell of a lot better than Harold "Bo" Bice vs the whole lot of em....2 rockers battling each other is better than 1 against the whole lot of em too. If you wanna know who put Constantine in it wasn't the pudgy middle-aged housewifes. It was the rock fans who don't exactly consist only of horny pudgy middle-aged housewifes that get all hot n bothered when they see Constantine step on stage with his leather jacket. If Constantine has anyone to thank..it's them.

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I don't buy it. This idea only holds up if Bo and Constantine get all the way to the final two. As soon as either one of them is voted off, then what? It'll be "Harold 'Bo' Bice vs the whole lot of em," that's what.

Don't confuse my predictions with what I think is right. I agree that Nikko is a better singer than Constantine. But hell, there are at least two guys that are already gone that are better singers than half the women that are left.

I disagree that Constantine didn't get into the final 12 because of his appeal to a specific demographic. They all appeal to a specific demographic or they wouldn't be here. All I'm saying is that I know too many women over the age of 30 who think Constantine is a bit of a hotty (and, truthfully, none of them are pudgy...they're all quite fit...and not enough of them are horny) . But they all agree that he can't sing that well...they just dont care because they like they way he looks in his jeans.

I was a bit surprised by the women's results though. While Janay was a shoo in after her abysmal performance, I thought Amanda's looks would carry her into the finals...but I also thought the same thing about David Brown.

Going forward, I think Lindsay Cardinale is next on the chopping block. After that, I have no freaking clue...at least until the performances.

I would hope that the next off the show would be Mikalah. I understand that Mikalah is a polarizing figure, but damn it SHE CAN'T SING and she has little to no stage presence. Both Constantine and Nadia are also limited in vocal skills, but they have a stage presence that far outweighs Makalah's.

I think "Trachea Boy" Federov will hold out a bit longer as this show, now that it is in the Barry Manilow/Show Choir stage. He just has to sing his shit in tune. He is capable of doing it. Makalah has yet to succeed on that front.

That's it for now...

I thought Mikalah's second performance was flawless. Her other two I didn't care for at all. Okay I see her up on stage and see her singing and I think "Hmm she doesn't sound too good but man she is really pretty." What is wrong with me?! She's 17. I'm going straight to hell. I realize you probably don't think she's all that good looking but I do for some reason and my mom thinks she could be a model.

I'd like to see at least David, Nikko, and Aloha come back. I actually thought Aloha has a great voice and did a great job on the Alicia song. She shouldn't have gone home.

Lindsey is definitely gone next unless she does well on themes I think she's gone too. She doesn't necessarily sing bad she's just terrible at picking songs and she comes across pretty fuckin boring and forgettable. Mikalah I imagine won't last too much longer though you know this. I mean she has a definite factor but it's like Simon said...some people are gonna find it cute and funny and others are gonna find it annoying. I found her first performance annoying. I think Themes are gonna be more her thing though.

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Nikko Smith is Back!

Seems Mario Vasquez had to leave the show for "personal reasons", which is a shame. I would have rather seen Anthony or maybe even Constatine go instead of Mario. Must be pretty dang important "personal reasons" to drop out in this stage of the game.

personal reasons=family reasons, but family is clueless
 

According to today's NY Post, Mario told his brother "This is not a life threatening situation. It's for the best reason." He also said "I'm healthy. I'm fine. It's just a personal family thing. My family is top priority."

Weird thing about that last statement is that his mother and brother say they don't know "the reason" either. His mom said she knew of no problem involving the family. If his mother and brother are clueless, what "family" is he referring to?

It's a shame because I thought he was the clear favorite to win the whole thing because he had the broadest appeal to the tweenie girls that vote the most. The best thing about it is the fact that the competition is pretty wide open now. Board favorite Bo has a much better shot now as does Anwar Robinson and, possibly, Carrie Underwood. We'll see...

Oh that really sucks. He was one of my favorites. I thought he'd sail right into the top 3. That does make me wonder though if his family doesn't know what the "family" issue is then what is the real issue here? Well thats just too bad.

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Perhaps Mario has been offered a recording contract and has decided not to go through the A.I. hoops ?

I was pissed last week because I missed the intro and as the tv faded in they were judging Bo.. which is one the main reasons I even watch the show this time around. I don't even care for the women this season.. The guys are great, and Bo kicks ass. I'd love to see him win.. and Mario? man I kinda expected it to be a Bo vs Mario ending.

Not likely. See this is how American Idol owns you. Remember what I said about Scooter Girl not being able to do any endorsements or sing on broadway? Same thing goes for Mario. He had to sign a recording contract with the American Idol team because it's a televised show and everyone on the show essentially gets recorded. He'd be bound by that contract and wouldn't be able to sign with anyone else until the contract was finished. It'd have to be some other reason other than that. But yeah I'm pretty sure until they tell you otherwise, American Idol pretty much own you once you get on the show.

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I agree with Grancey. American Idol doesn't have an iron-clad hold on contestants after they leave the show, or else Tamyra Gray wouldn't have started appearing on non-FOX TV shows.

^ I'm just going by other performers who were on the show last year that could not do anything with anyone other than American Idol because they were bound by contract. I even saw a T.V. show about Reality T.V. do a segment on it where Ryan Seacrests old co-host that they had on the first season actually said "You just don't realize it. I mean they OWN these kids."

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Ok....Bo was def the best one tonite.....nikko wasnt too bad either

Yeah Bo did great. Much to my surprise Constantine also did great tonight! He sang like I remembered him being able to sing when he went to Hollywood. I could actually hear his tone again. Wasn't the best performance of the night but definitely his best performance. I like him singing those type of songs. It shows his true abilities. Anwar did great. I don't care what they say...he's a guy who knows his voice and picks songs that compliment it. They just don't understand that. Other than them I thought Nadia did great and Vonzell..hmm The only ones that did bad were Lindsey, Mikalah wasn't TOO good or Federov.

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I've read that the contestants are bound for three months by contract after the finale airs. So, if Mario is not in the final twelve I wonder if he is bound for three months or not.

Hmm dunno. Technically he made it...he just turned it down..confusing :confused:

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How did Anwar do? I fell asleep before the show came on and I woke up when the chick with the fro was on.

And yes Bo was quite good. I definately have him penned for top three. And that blonde country chick was good too. Actually all the people I saw were fantastic except Niko. Sorry but he just doesn't have the skills. I wish he did because he has a nice style about him but I just ain't feeling it. He was a little "pitchy";) j/k.

But back to what I was saying I wonder if American Idol will take this season as a chance to "reinvent" themselves a bit. With talents like Bo being a DEFINATE good rocker and that country chick being a wonderful country voice I wonder even if they lose to a more pop/R&B type singer if they won't package those folks singularly and target those audiences specifically.
I kind of suspect they might considering that while Fantasia hasn't been pushed big to the major market her album gets pretty decent play on Urban stations. They could effectively triple their profits every year by taking the more unconventional people and market them appropriately. Frankly if Bo didn't win and they put him with a good backing group I'd buy his stuff.

They didn't think Anwar brought it to the table but he did. He sang great he's very consistent...if he won I'd be just fine with that. My mom thinks he's super handsome too haha. He did have on some pimp ass clothes. I could never pull off some shit like that. I think Paula's got the hots for him.

I don't doubt Bo and Carrie will be marketted as well. If Bo DOESN'T win..he'll be second place to someone...and they always market second place anyway. Sometimes they do even better...look at Clay? He took off...Ruben..didn't. It'd be FUCKIN GREAT if Bo could win this year cause that would break the fuckin 3 year streak of nothing but R&B/Soul/Gospel singers being our "American Idols" Those aren't the only types of vocalists out there and with Mario gone Bo doesn't really have too many people to worry about. Carrie is good but she's not consistent...I really only liked her first performance a LOT the rest I could do without(People DO love her anyway but not anymore than they love Bo). Anwar could give him a run but he has to let loose some more. Nadia is probably his biggest threat. As for the rest of them...they don't really touch him.

I do like Scott a lot though. I kinda worry for him because nobody seems to acknowledge him at all other than me on this board lol. I'm begining to think he's forgetful but he hasn't had ONE bad performance yet. I'm starting to realize why he seems to be forgetful. He sings the songs like they're sung...he sings them pretty much spot on every time. He doesn't go for big notes like everyone else does. I swear people only remember the people who shout out a note at the end of their performance...Scott doesn't do that. But then again..he doesn't need to...to me thats just theatrics. If there is a big note at the end okay but if there isn't yer just trying to show off. Seems like everyone else is afraid to end on a soft note. Most of my favorite songs end on a soft note.

I love Bo but as far as the original Spinning Wheel goes...his wasn't as good. It was good for AI though...don't get me wrong..he did rock it out there I'm just saying haha don't shoot me or anything.

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Well I think the average person just listening thinks the R&B/Gospel/Soul singer as a general rule sound better and more impressive. That's not always true but when you can listen to some "rockers" do nothing more than scream and sing off tune I don't think you'd have to many people gravitating to a person from that mold even if they really CAN sing well.

But the reason why I think they might market the country chick if say she does make it to the top 3 is because you will have a battle of styles, R&B,rock, and country and all of those markets are fairly substantial and could easily support another singer of that caliber.
The R&B person could easily survive on the Top 40,Urban, and some adult contemporary stations.
The rocker(Bo because let's face it Constantine will not make it to the top 7) will make do on rock stations with the right backing,and maybe some sparse play on Top 40 here and there.
The country singer could be promoted essentially in a vaccum because a lot of country music happens in a very isolated manner and unless it's just HUGE it rarely spills over into the mainstream consciousness. I mean not many people who aren't country fans will even know who folks like Big and Rich,Kenney Chesney,or Keith Urban are. Yet those are huge names in the country market. They could sign produce and moderately push that girl in the country circles and since she had already been exposed to the national market at some point if she gets big she won't be a total unknown and would be more likely to get play on adult contemporary, and top 40 stations as well.
Sounds like a good plan to me

^ It could work.

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Prediction time...

Last week Jessica, Mikalah, and Lindsey were the bottom-three vote getters and Lindsey got the axe. This week I'm guessing that the legion of tone deaf Mikalah fans will do everything they can to keep her out of the bottom three this week. Jessica will remain there merely because, despite having a great voice, she has zero personality and an equal amount of stage presence (and her proclivity for honky-tonk style country/rock will get her nowhere fast). So which two will join her on the stage? Nikko and Constantine...or Vonzell.

I think it is likely that Nikko's fans, who voted in force for him last week knowing full well that if they didn't he would be out, will not call in (or text message) this week...especially since he was not in the bottom three last week.

Constantine: I believe last week's surprisingly good performance was an abberation and this week we will likely see the return of the Constantine we know and put up with. That said, last week's performance has me very unsure about including him in the bottom three...

Therefore, I am also including an alternate: Vonzell. Yeah. I know she can sing, but she's no star. Let's put it this way, Anwar, Bo, Carrie, Nadia and Scott are safe. "Trachea boy" Federov has the tweenies eating out of the prepubescent palm of his hand and, as a result, is safe. That leaves Vonzell as the best alternate. She has had some "off" nights and tonight could be another.

Therefore...

Bottom three: Jessica, Nikko and Constantine
Alternate bottom three (assuming Constantine repeats last week's quality performance): Jessica, NIkko and Vonzell
Either way...Jessica Sierra gets the boot tomorrow night.

^ Shouldn't you at least wait until the shows over before making predictions? I only say this because sometimes this shit is unpredictable. Some of them got 2 or 3 or 4 bad performances before they finally got the boot and others got ONE! Now that it's the big show it's kinda hard to tell. I really do hope you're right and either Jessica or Mikalah get the boot this week. I really hope Jessica isn't the Diana Degarmo of this year..grrr.

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Rebroadcast coming up
 

The frickin geniouses coudlnt' figure out how to convert letters to numbers on a phone. The biggest error since Nikki McKibbin mysteriously made the Top 3.


‘American Idol’ gives wrong numbers
Show to be rebroadcast Wednesday for new vote
By Gael Fashingbauer Cooper
MSNBC
Updated: 2:44 a.m. ET March 23, 2005

"American Idol" displayed incorrect phone numbers for three singers after Tuesday night's edition of the Fox show aired. At least one reality TV fan Web site, TVgasm.com, has announced that the network will reair the program Wednesday night, with the results show moved to Thursday.

Screen captures of the episode show that incorrect phone numbers were listed for contestants Anwar Robinson, Mikalah Gordon, and Jessica Sierra. The phone numbers are always listed twice for each contestant, once as a number and once in a kind of shorthand, incorporating the letters on the phone that spell out IDOLS.

For Robinson, Gordon and Sierra, the numbers spelled out using letters were correct, but the complete phone numbers printed below those numbers were incorrect. Viewers who called the second numbers intending to vote for Robinson, Gordon or Sierra would be instead casting votes for contestants Anthony Fedorov, Carrie Underwood or Scott Savol.

The errors were not corrected before the show aired on the West Coast.

At press time, it was not clear if all votes from Tuesday night would be thrown out or if the show would add those votes to the calls received after the show re-airs Wednesday.

"American Idol" has not been free from controversy in the past. Earlier this month, finalist Mario Vazquez abruptly dropped out of the competition, citing "personal reasons." He was replaced by Nikko Smith. And last season, so many viewers complained that they could not get through on Fox's phone lines to vote that the network was forced to add more lines and extend the voting period.

They are doing a live show tonite with the performers doing encores....all votes from last nite are being thrown out and the revote will take place tonite

damn it....Survivor is on tonite because of basketball.....

But THAT'S no fun...

I enjoy the show as a political exercise first and a talent show second. I say "a political exercise" because there are voting blocks that have fluid elements each week. I firmly believe that the people that voted last week for Nikko Smith did so because his performance was awful but they wanted to keep him around because they liked him. As a result votes were likely pulled off of those who were deemed "safe".

Likewise, Lindsey Cardinale got voted off because she didn't get similar support peeled off of others because of a weak personality (and a relative lack of airtime during the taped shows - if Simon thinks that's not a factor in early voting he is a huge fucking dumbass).

The best thing about the show is trying to determine the consequences when someone with a dedicated voting block gets voted off. Where does that person's votes go to in subsequent ballots? (This becomes more interesting when you get down to 5 or less people). It will likely be incredibly interesting this year since the styles between the final four will possibly be significantly different from each other.

For example (and this is an unlikely example), if you have Anwar, Bo, Carrie and Nadia as the final four...and Anwar gets voted off, where do his votes go? Probably Nadia. If Bo was the top vote getter with four contestants, then he likely drops to second place with three.

Now if Nadia gets voted off in the same scenario, I would bet her votes get split between Anwar and Carrie. Bo may go from top vote getter with four contestants to third out of three.

That said, based on last night's performances, my predictions were crap. Makalah has got to go. She just plain cannot sing. She shouldn't have been in the semis, much less the finals. God I hate that she's still there. But I still believe her voting bloc is strong enough to keep her in this thing (and it will be helped if Simon says something tonight like "you should have been voted off based on last night's performance, you had a second chance and you blew it"). That will really help Mikalah get the votes out.

Based on last night's performances, who should have been in the bottom three? Makalah, Nadia Turner and Either Anthony Federov or Scott Savol. I have no clue who would have gone.

That everyone gets a second chance tonight blows the whole thing wide open. If Vonzell and Constantine kill again tonight (I thought they both sounded fantastic), they'll be safe. If Scott Savol rebounds from last night's performance, hell be safe. If Nadia Turner still sucks, she will definitely be in the bottom three...hell I bet she goes bottom three regardless (she doesn't understand that the reason Cindy Lauper was so popular was not her style but the fact that the woman has a great set of pipes on her).

My new bottom three prediction: Nadia Turner, Jessica Sierra (Total Eclipse of the Heart...what an awful song) and Nikko. Nadia replaces the Constantine/Vonzell possibility in my original prediction. I still think Jessica gets the boot. In order to survive, you have to have a personality that people can relate to or desire to emulate. She has neither.

ok.....like I said earlier....I taped last nites show....I just watched it

first....the number screw ups...what they did was put the wrong ending digits on the last three when they put the number up at the end

for example
1-866- IDOLS 09
-866-43657 01

text vote to 5709

so it was the number "spelled" out in digits was wrong on the last 3

2nd...Bo did one of my most favorite songs in the world...and one Im considering for the wedding....Jim Croce's Time in a Bottle....hands down its the best version I've heard done since Croce himself

Constantine did an outstanding version of David Cassidy's I think I love you....I've heard David do that song live and Constantine nailed it

Jessica gave me shivers with her Total Eclipse of the Heart

Carrie did great with the Heart song Alone

Nadia ruined Time after Time...Mikalah murdered her song, Scott wasnt bad-just dont impressive...Federov...not impressed one bit...Anwar...flat....Nikko was 5th on my list after Carrie...Vonzell I dont ever remember

Bottom 3 in my opinion Vonzell, Anwar, Mikalah

See I don't think Jessica and Carrie have a good enough tone to have taken on those songs. The low notes at the begining of Alone were pretty bad. And the high notes were barely there. Jessica I didn't think she sounded good at all save for towards the end. But I give them props because they were REALLY hard songs to sing. Fact of the matter is though they were pretty lackluster compared to the actual songs themselves. I think people forgot what the originals sounded like the whole night.

To me the ones who actually did good that night were Vonzell(She did terrific but she does try to hard with the runs), Bo, Constantine was actually good lol, and the rest I could probably do without. I like Scott though. He has a great voice. His performance wasn't the best but he sang his heart out on that one and put everything he had into it.

I hope Scott isn't the one to go home. That would really suck for me. I want him to stay in there a little longer. I know he won't win but you know. Well gotta go watch it.

EDIT: Okay I'm happy and mad right now. I think I've tried like 30 freakin times to vote for Scott now and I still can't get through :lol: This a good thing. You don't like him? Sue me! He deserves to stay way more than Mikalah AND Federov! :-)~

EDIT #2: Finally I fuckin get in! Votes for Scott now accounted for <font size=1>5 of them..for now..more later</font>

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Mikalah, Mikalah........ What happened to this poor girl? Who told her that she should be serious and stiff instead of the fun-loving light personality from the auditions? She was never one of my favorites, but it is apparent that someone told her to change her style. That someone is an idiot.

Well save for Nadia Thales was pretty wrong this time around haha. Of the people left I honestly don't know who will go home next. I'd hope it's Jessica but for some reason they actually like her and her voice. Federov can go now he hasn't been impressing me at all as of late. Nikko is fairly good as is Anwar but they both lack consistency. Hmm the rest I don't really have too much of a problem with.

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Ah American Idol, I've been watching this from the very first episode of Season 1.

My opinions on this season: I can't STAND Constantine. Maybe it's because I'm a rocker chick, but he just seems.. fake. I really want him to go.

Of course, Bo is the man! He probably won't win, but I like him. I also like Nadia because she's different.

My $0.02.

^ The funny thing about Const is I like his voice best when he's NOT singing rock. When he sang "You've made me so very happy." I thought he did great. It's not rock...I kinda think guy may be in the wrong genre lol.

I think your 2 cents add up.

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When did Blood, Sweat, and Tears get re-classified as non-rock?

^ Touche

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That might be true, but everytime he looks into the camera.. *shudder* I don't even hear his voice because I'm frantically leaping for the remote to get him off my screen :D

^ Ouch! haha

In other news I read in the paper yesterday that there are rumors that Mario may have left AI to sign with Sean "P. Diddy" Combs. Puff refused to comment on it and Mario as well for fear of being held to his contract. I'd hate to see Mario go to Puffy cause I don't really respect what Puff does at all and he'd prolly ruin him for me but Mario would prolly be gettin paid buku bucks! Beleeh dat yo! Can't be too long before we see it. I think they're individual contracts are for like 3 months or some shit like that. :confused:

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Ding Dong the off-key witch of Las Vegas is dead (to the show at least)!
 

Man I know...what a bust.

I can't say I wasn't happy though. The three worst singers were in the bottom three and the worst was voted off the show. I wish they could have retroactively voted her out of the final twelve.

Nadia did suck, but the thing I hated most about the show was the indication that being in the bottom three was primarily a result of her get-up (the mohawk, etc...). It was a result of the fact that she can't sing. She's ok within a certain tiny range and she was forced to go out of her range last week.

I've always thought Federov was over-rated, I just thought the tweenies would keep him around a little longer. I wonder if Constantine going the teen-idol route ("I Think I Love You") took some votes away from an already weak Federov.

While I only went one for three last week(which I probably could have matched with a random drawing), I was happy. The voting audience sometimes votes for among lines of popularity and sometimes votes on the lines of quality. This week was a quality week.

Sure, there are some singers like Constantine who may not be a better overall singer than Federov or Nadia, but he was objectively much better than either of them this week.

Anyway, while my guesses may have sucked, remember...they were made before the performances. I'm not making excuses, just clarifying...

This week? Well, the worst singers left are Federov, Nadia, Constantine and Nikko. I'm going to guess that the one with the best performance will be safe and the other three will be in the bottom three. Without knowing the theme, I have no clue who the best would likely be.

Constantine has had a couple of very strong weeks...he may falter this time. I think Nadia may not sleep this week while working on her song. I think Federov sucks...he'll likely be in the botton three. Nikko...I think Nikko is the most overrated of those that are left. I'm not saying he's the worst, I'm just saying Randy and Paula's gushing after last week's performance was incomprehensible. Hell, he was off-key about 80 percent of the time.

By the way...does anyone here know how to find out what the theme of the show will be?

^ Yeah I got Ryan on speedial hold on gimme a minute.....Okay even he doesn't know!

Ya know I just realized something. Don't you guys have your very own "Canadian Idol" down there? :lol: And you're watching ours?

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Don't even get me started on Canadian Idol.. I don't even watch it, it's horrible beyond comprehension :crazy:

Not that it matters, but not everyone agrees with you.

I remember they had the Canadian Idol on the show last year in the audience. From what I remember dude had a style like T.O.K. Slightly spikey hair, black plastic frames...shit like that. And then they had the "Australian Idol" come up and sing some song I think "Angels Brought You Here" or something like that. I was pretty blown away by that guys voice though. He may have even sang better than our very own. He did perform "Crazy In Love" on their show though :|.

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A one week American Idol?
 

Not agree with me? Not agree with ME??!?!? I'm SHOCKED. SHOCKED I say!

If everyone agreed with me, American Idol would be a one week show. In other words, if everyone voted for Bo in week one, then everyone else (all tied for last with zero votes) gets booted. That would be a very crappy show indeed.

Tell me I'm wrong. Tell me why I'm wrong. Are my predictions crap? Cool. Let me know why you think so. Rage against my bravado. I embrace the conflict. I love the range of opinions. Vive la difference!

What did you not agree with in my statement? Did you think there was a backlash against her mohawk? Do you think she can sing better than most of the remaining 10 contestants? That she has a wider range than I believe her to have? Do you think she actually sang in tune last week? All of the above? Speak man! Speak! This is a democracy. Embrace it! Embrace all that is "American" in "American Idol".

I really think Paula is in love with Anwar. She has a complete bias when concerning him. That guy can do no wrong in her eyes. And was I the only one who noticed she looked rather drowsy or stoned or something tonight. The way she was acting, the way she loved everybody and her eyes were a bit lazy I dunno just something about her tonight. Weird.

Constantine did great, and Vonzell really suprised me tonight too. Federov I didn't care for at all. And as much as I hate to say it, Scott wasn't very on tonight either. If he goes I suppose i can see why this time around he was one of the weakest. I'd rather it be Federov though but it probably won't be. As for the rest of them well you got 2 or 3 that always do good it's a give in and the rest didn't do too bad at all.

EDIT: Does anyone know what songs all these guys were singing tonight? I mean I recognized most of them. Martina, Brian, Elton, Whitney but the rest I'm not so sure. I believe my mom told me that Const sang a Bonnie Raitt song and I know I've heard what Bo sang I think it's Black Crowes but I'm not sure I didn't catch that(Ah nevermind just saw it!)...was I just not paying attention or did they not show what songs they were singing this time around?

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I think Federov was the weakest tonight and deserves to go home - the first of the guys to do so. The bottom three should be rounded out by Nadia (she was much much better this week, but still bottom three) and either Scott "Serial Killer" Savol or Jessica Sierra. I would prefer that Jessica was in the bottom three, but the judges seemed to prefer her to Scott a bit tonight (a close call that...maybe it's just me).

Nikko was surprisingly good tonight and Constantine, after a consistently weak semi finals, is now three for three since the finals began. If he could just conquer his faux rock star persona and come across as a bit more genuine, he may have something going.

And damn, Vonzell is really getting better every week. Bo and Carrie better watch out...they got some competition in that sweet little package.

Your comments are a little surprising, I will admit. I said what I did because it seemed like your commentary was like so many other people's posts in the Entertainment and Music forums, in that they are superlative laced, and presented as "fact" rather than "opinion". To me "So and So can't sing" is completely different than "I don't like the way so and so sings"

As far as Nadia goes, I think she is one of the top three performers of the bunch. Not necessarily the best vocalist, but overall total package. To me, other than Bo and maybe now Vonzell, Nadia is the only one who seems comfortable on the stage. And I think that the mowhawk was one of the ballsiest moves of any of the AI seasons, and just proved to me that she is going to be who she wants to be, rather than who she thinks pepole want her to be.

You are not the only one. It definitly seemed like she was on something. Her eyes were all glassy, and any second I expected her to say something like "look at the pretty colors" :D

I've always stated, that I'm praying on my knees for Constantine to get off the stage lol He gets worse to me every week. I just can't stand him.

My fav picks are: Bo (Though weaker this week), Nadia (Better this week), Carrie (Star quality), and Vonzel (Diva).

I have to agree with ei555's picks....I dont want to see constantine go though....I didnt like the song he did last nite....but he sang it very well...best performance so for IMO. I was pleasantly surprised with Vonzel. I thought Nadia sang the hell out of her song. And yeah, Bo was weaker this week, but he still got my vote :thumbsup:

We've got entire threads here on wtf is wrong with Paula Abdul. She's always drunk. There were times last season when she was Farrah-on-Letterman wacked out.

The favorites in our household are Bo, Constantine, Carrie, and Anthony. My wife votes like crazy after the show, but I don't know if she's voting for all her favorites or just some of them. I do know, however, that she always has a hard time getting through to Bo's number, so it must be busy a lot.

Nadia seems to have an imaginary friend standing on stage right, because she has an annoying habit of singing a line and then smiling off to her right. Jessica reminds us too much of Tori Spelling. Scott is just plain gross, and it has nothing to do with his weight. Ruben was heavy, but cuddly. Scott is NOT cuddly; he looks like he doesn't bathe, and I thought he gave the weakest performance of the night. I thought Antwan would have been stronger by now, but he seems to be getting worse. Nikko is out of his league, and he's started to play the Daddy card. No thoughts yet on Vonzell.

I understand what you're saying, but let me try to help out a bit. This is an Entertainment thread, not a news thread. When someone writes "Makalah was voted off last week," that is a declarative statement of fact than can be true or false. In this case is true. When someone writes "Bo was voted off last week," that too is a declarative statement...a false declarative statement.

However, the vast majority of comments on this board are opinion. They may not be written as such, but they are. But that's OK. It is easy to figure out which ones are merely opinion. When someone writes "Carrie Underwood is the worst singer in the history of American Idol," that is a declarative statement, but it is neither true nor false. It is opinion. In order for it to be able to have a truth value ascribed to it, it must be recast as you suggest ("I think Carrie Underwood is the worst singer in the history of American Idol" -- I don't, this is just an example).

Embrace the opinions. Don't let the the fact that they are presented as fact get in the way of enjoying the debate. It's great fun. I've met several people who recoil at the kind of construction you refer to. It gets in the way of the fun that discourse can provide. Don't let it.

This is a similar demographic breakdown that I compiled for the Survivor thread, and you can't refuse to accept the major role that demographics play in marketing.

FINAL 12
Black girls - 2
Black guys - 2
White girls - 4
White guys - 4

East Coast - 3
Pennsylvania - 1
New Jersey - 1
New York - 1

Midwest - 3
Oklahoma - 1
Missouri - 1
Ohio - 1

Deep South - 5
Alabama - 1
Florida - 3
Louisiana - 1

West - 1
Nevada - 1


21 and under - 6
22 and over - 6

After this week's show, we've lost our third consecutive white girl.
Black girls - 2
Black guys - 2
White girls - 1
White guys - 4

East Coast - 3
Pennsylvania - 1
New Jersey - 1
New York - 1

Midwest - 3
Oklahoma - 1
Missouri - 1
Ohio - 1

Deep South - 3
Alabama - 1
Florida - 2


21 and under - 3
22 and over - 6

I gotta say though that if someone here says "So and so was flat tonight, she messed up the notes, she did not do a good job on the song, etc." that should not be dismissed as an opinion. Someone like warrrreagl who knows music or anyone who's been singing their whole life can easily spot when something just isn't right. Even if they don't know music and can't read it they can tell when a note isn't right or something. Plus if you've heard the original song by it's original performer anyone who has the slightest knowledge of pitch, tone, and key can tell that it doesn't sound as good as the original performance.

For example you didn't have to be a music major to know that Mikalah did a pretty bad job on Taylor Dayne's - Love Will Lead You Back.

Now those that don't know much about it hear a performance that to the average person would sound good, great even..they can't tell a difference. They don't notice something slightly flat or anything like that that is basically just lacking. Not saying Paula is one of those people but what she said last night after Anwar's performance of "I Believe I can Fly" is what I'd expect to hear from someone who doesn't know what they're talking about. That gets blinded by the vocal theatrics and over the topness of a performance and completely misses the fact that the first half of the song was flat in several spots.

If someone knows what they're talking about. It's not an opinion. It's a fact. I don't really know what I'm talking about much because I've had no real musical teaching but I have been singing all my life and I can just tell when something isn't right even if I don't exactly know what that thing is ya know?

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