LOST: Season 6 (Beware Spoilers Inside)
 

Here we go again for the last time!

I don't think I've been this excited for a TV show since Twin Peaks back in the 80's.

Woot. It will finally be over! Excited and sad..

Man, I can't believe they waited so damn long between seasons. It ain't right. Can't do that with a show like Lost. I barely remember half of what was going on. The recap only helps with so much.

So who are all these temple people? They're new right?

It's getting hard not to see this as a Jesus allegory right now. But it's a really frickin' cool Jesus allegory. And Satan just wants to go home.

Aren't you all glad we're free? Free from the shackles of God's Law? Hurray, God is dead!

I just wonder where they're going with the alternate timeline, why the Island is suddenly underwater, and to what significance the LAX problems will amount. And will they go the resurrection route, or is dead still dead?

Great lines: "You shouldn't have done that. I wasn't supposed to live." "I'm sorry you had to see me like that, Ben."

We know what (sorry WHO) Smokey is. That's a big deal! MAJOR mystery answered in the very first ep of the season!

So, Smokey has appeared as such before? He's the man in black right?

I think the island is underwater because the bomb was successfully detonated. This allowed the Oceanic flight to land safely at LAX.

Meanwhile the alternate timeline is preserved in parallel. Maybe the Jacob character will join them back together at somepoint.

Really awesome episode.

Here's a question: If the Man in Black can turn himself into an all destroying black cloud, what can Jacob turn himself into?

I wonder how Jacob will return. Hurley can talk to his spirit but I can only imagine he'll be able to physically manifest himself at some point. Perhaps the resurrected Sayid is his vessel.

Dead is dead right?

I'm even looking forward to how the parallel plotline in LA will play itself out. I bet they'll converge towards the end but there is a lot of potential in the mean time.

So much awesome...

What a mind bender of an opener. I can't wait to see where this takes us. I like seeing how much worse off some of the people are if the plane had landed and how much better off others are. It's a wonderful contrast to what we've seen them all go through over the past few years. I'm eager to see where we go from here.

Ya but we still don't really know who/what he is :P or why he can do that. Or why he can be summoned. And does he absorb souls or something? He seemed to know intimate things about John. Or just a general shapeshifter? We saw dead people in his cloud. Also, why couldn't he hurt jacob? Jacob is an even bigger mystery really... sigh...

Maybe I'm just really, really slow...but all I got was that the smoke monster seems to be able to take a dead person's form. Am I missing something?

The smoke monster is Jacob's old "friend" that's using John Locke's form. I can't remember if he has a name atm. In other words, we found out he's a person and not some nano cloud or something.

Remember the scene inside the Foot statue where the smoke monster killed Jacob's bodyguards while Ben cowered behind some rock? In the aftermath, Ben turns around to see fake-Lock, who says "I'm sorry you had to see me like that."

I'm thinking Jacob and his nemesis are some sort of fallen angels or the like, banished from Heaven or something. As such they can take any form. The show is open to the supernatural now anything is possible.

After last season's finale, the internets dubbed him "the man in black". In fine LOST tradition, the writers and crew picked up on that, and now call him that as well.

Seriously (he said, as an aside), LOST has made EXCELLENT work of fan feedback. There have been several times when commentary from online viewers have found their way into the dialog of the show. It's pretty awesome to know they're keeping such close tabs on their fans.

Has anyone noticed the minor character differences in the parallel universe when the plane didn't crash?

Also, I would like to know if the other survivors of the oceanic 815 are now the new others since the previous others were all eliminated?

Has anyone gone back to look at the shark that was swimming around the sunken island in the non-crash universe? I thought I saw a Dharma logo on it.

goes back to Season 2 where it was also seen.

Ha! I knew it. Thanks, Cyn.

lol all I see is a blur.

Yeah, they put the Dharma logo on the shark that attacked Michael's raft in S2. The producers intended it to be an easter egg for the DVD buyers who obsessively frame-by-frame their way through things, but it was a little too obvious and was seen on broadcast day. Massive fan-speculation ensued, and it turns out not to have been really anything but a joke. This is a very nice homage, three years later, but I wouldn't get too antsy about there being actual dharma sharks.

Knowing them...they'll rewrite it in there to fit somehow.

The man in black fucking scares me. And it's not even so much what he's done. It's how everyone responds to him, even if they aren't talking about it.

Also, super yay to the return of Claire. I missed her. This season can't happen fast enough. It's really delivering for me so far.

Spoiler: In the final episode evil Locke jumps the Dharma shark, but doesn't make it. The evil is vanquished forever and everyone gets to go home after Jacob reveals himself as Fonzie and "Eeeeyyyyyyyyyyy!" 's them all back to Kansas.

:p

I've been finding it hard to get back into the show after such a long break, but its been ok so far. Judging by the last episode it looks like they may be going back to season 1 a bit and start giving individual characters their own episodes to wrap up their stories/ show who/how they really are/ why they were "chosen."

To be honest I've stopped speculating on the show, since after introducing all this magic-like stuff its impossible to predict. With time travel stuff can be logically worked out to a possible ending, and without the time travel it was still possible to somewhat speculate even though they added a new variable each week (hatch, pirate ship,others, etc.) Even when they started to hint at religious stuff it was still possible to imagine an ending. Now it can literally be anything.

It is sorta getting hard to follow cuz there are so many stories going on at the same time. The show needs to condense a bit and there aren't many episodes left to do it in. Like in the last episode Jin mentioned getting back to Sun while escaping the temple with Kate. I had almost completely forgotten about those folks cuz i had 50 other stories in that episode to try and figure out.

I'm really interested to see how they're gonna pull this all together.

I started listening to the podcast that Cuse and Lindelof put out weekly starting back in season 2. It's fun, they're witty guys, and they clearly love interacting with their fans. Good stuff all around.

They used to joke that season 5 would be "the zombie season". So this week when Hugo called out to it, it was a GREAT inside joke.

ObieX- Wait, is that an actual spoiler for the actual last episode, or did you mean most recent? I stopped reading as soon as I saw "final."

I know the writer's said they weren't in purgatory, and they aren't dead, but what if they are alive, but went through a portal to hell? The writers only ever said they weren't dead, and that they weren't in purgatory :)

My reasoning (besides all the crazy stuff that happens) is because every time one of them purges themselves from sin/past mistakes they die (and move on, pressumbly to heaven). Those that remain have unfinished business and keep having poetic punishments happen to them (Siad getting tortured, Jack making decisions that hurt those he loves, Kate and Soyer forever running, etc.).

But those that give up their past sins, like charlie kicking his habit, and making a selfless decision to help the others/devout time to claire/baby, he dies (moves on).

I think the pattern fits for almost every single one of them. Makes me think religion/afterlife has *something* to do with it. Though I suppose it doesn't mean they're in hell. Maybe garden of eden? I think that's already been shot down, ya? It'd be more like the reverse of the garden of eden.

No, it wasn't a real spoiler, i was just being silly. So feel free to read it without worry. :p

lol, can't believe I thought that might be a real spoiler :P but like I said I stopped right at "final"

I'm an avid viewer of LOST. I spent a lot of time last season speculating things. Now I'm more like waiting what's happening.

The way you talk about others now led me to think, maybe 'others' mean people who have a replica somewhere in another timeline.

For some reason I was disappointed to see Claire so soon! Ethan appearing was a bit of a shocker, but he seemed so genuinely friendly, nothing like on the island.

Huh, so just realized something when thinking of Claire (besides; she's hot.) So we thought she was dead and that's why she could see her dead long lost dad (and was hanging out with him) and the other dead people (IIRC.) But now apparently she isn't dead. Why can so many people see or talk to dead people?!

I must figure out the big mystery before the show is over :D

I don't remember her leaving very clearly. Was she just gone in the middle of the night or something? Charlie drowned and then... What?

I remember we ran into her hanging in Jacob's cabin with Christian. I now STRONGLY suspect that Jacob's cabin hasn't been Jacob's in a good long time--Christian is definitely an "inhabitee" of the Man In Black, and the ash protection circle is broken, and probably has been for a while. I guess it was MIB that Locke heard say "help me"?

Ah so maybe Claire never saw dead people, and maybe Jack and her never saw their father, perhaps it was MIB all along. Good memory about the cabin with the ash...totally makes sense. Apparently MIB is infecting/claiming people and he has the ability to take the shape of dead people.

Oh, I think that's absolutely the implication. He has Christian's body the same way he has Locke's. Now he has Sayid the same way he has Claire.

EDIT: Also Alex! In the temple "vestibule", after her death, telling Ben to go do whatever Locke says. Well. That wasn't Locke, and that wasn't Alex.

Ahhhh, yeah, that's right. Good catch. Boy, I wonder if they expect us to figure all this out on our own or what :) Looking back more and more things are making sense. And if anything, it is seeming less afterlifeish since I'm not sure any dead people were really up and walking. I wonder then if Jacob was even real when he talked to Hurley as a "ghost" or if that was really MIB? They did show MIB way back at the foot/statute but he moves fast...

naw that was probably jacob as Hurley has talked to dead people off island (meaning, apparently Hurley really can see dead people) and MIB has said he can't leave the island. So I guess some people have come back as genuine ghosts.

So I wonder if MIB had claimed the french woman (name escaping me, she died, Roseau?.) They are kind of implying its the same "sickness." And if he did, then that puts a whole new suspicion on her earlier motives in the earlier seasons when she was helping some of them. Now if only I could remember what her agenda was like...it might shed even more light on MIBs machinations.

In fact, nearly everyone that went crazy with the "sickness" or whatever (remember that guy from the previous hatch before desmond?) may have been steered by MIB.

Danielle Rousseau. YES: We can now see why she was so paranoid. People aren't who they seem. Presumably she watched teammates die and then come back to life different. What did she say about her husband? She killed him because he wasn't him? Something like that.

Almost makes me want to rewatch everything all over again. I think I'll wait till the show is over to do that though since we're so close anyway.

I wonder who the kid was that scared MIB? We haven't seen him before have we?

He looked like a young Jacob. He was dressed kind of like Jacob.

No Claire last night! Sad!

That was my thought as well but it could be Aaron too!

Thats my guess.

Why couldn't Richard see him? Because he's not a candidate?

Must suck to be whatever sort of puppet Richard is and NOT be a candidate.

I figure that Richard was saved at some point (perhaps after being freed from his chains) by Jacob's people with a bath in the Temple Jacuzzi.

This could explain both his devotion and agelessness. Consequently, I think he knows his place.

Locke's little "inside joke" was interesting.

As for who that boy was I'd have to also go with it being a young Jacob. Too old to be an Aaron imo. Maybe Jacob was reborn or is regrowing. Perhaps MIB/evil Locke has to get off the island before Jacob regains his super god powers (if he has any.)

There may also be some kinda time loop thing going on with Jacob. What got me thinking about that is when whats her name gathered up all of Jacob's ashes from the fire pit. Perhaps those are the original black ashes that people are spreading in circles that somehow get transported way back in time so that they can be used from the "beginning." Maybe this young Jacob gets transported back with them. Or maybe Aaron IS Jacob and somehow gets sent back in time. I just have a feeling there's more to Aaron than they have let on so far.

Wasn't Aaron the first baby to be born on the Island in a long time? I wonder if he's special for some reason.

I like that his name starts with two As. His name is just about as first as one can be, alphabetically speaking.

I don't think the kid is Jacob, or Aaron for that matter. It's been like a day or two, if Jacob could be reborn and grow to an 8 year old boy that quickly I don't think MIB would have ever dared kill him. As he also seems scared of him, whereas he wasn't scared of Jacob.

Aaron is still too young (and how would he have gotten to the island?) For it to be him. If it was time travel then I'd think he'd be older in the first place, but I suppose its possible. Whoever the kid is though I don't think he ages or he can take on whatever form he wishes or he's dead. None of those things seem like Aaron so far, but maybe... he is blond after all.

The ashes thing is an interesting thought, but so far it seems like they've used waaay more ashes than jacob's corpse made. However, perhaps it is all the ashes of all the protectors who have died before jacob. It would require no time traveling that way. And would make sense if the protectors are replaced like they just mentioned (i.e. they age and die eventually, thereby making a reasonable amount of corpses and ashes) and that the MIB version's can't touch the protector (jacob) versions so it stands to reason he wouldn't be able to cross their ashes either.

The real question is why is there an MIB in the first place? There is an ongoing theme of dark vs light/balance stuff, so is MIB a "candidate" spot too? As in, to balance out Jacob's protector spot? Or is MIB a fallen protector (was in Jacob's old spot)? I'm leaning toward the latter.

Total speculation but I could see it going something like this. MIB was the original protector (the island is probably the garden of eden.) He was made immortal, but started going nuts from boredom/crazy long life and wanted to leave but he was tied to the garden/island. So he started trying to destroy it.

A new line of protectors were created/brought in that were allowed to eventually die, so as to avoid MIB fate. They ended up being an odd mix of enemy/friend with MIB because they were about all he had to talk to yet they were his enemies too because he wanted out (as seen in his odd "friendship" relationship with Jacob.) Repeat pattern to present day where he finally figured out a way to kill one (why we don't know, probably because Jacob foresaw that it would bring about MIB's end somehow.)

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that Sawyer ends up being the new MIB and Jack ends up being the new protector.

Also, it will be interesting to see if European History teacher Ben has anything to say about the island and what happened after it got nuked.

I think the kid is Jacob. I think it's more likely that he's an unrevealed character, though, maybe the person that set Jacob and MIB in motion so long (300+ years?).

Zeraph, that's an interesting speculation about where we're headed. I thought that it was two people constantly moving in concert (the ying/yang, God/Devil concept), but the idea of a fallen protector makes sense two, especially in the Judeo-Christian mythos that's built up around the show.

filtherton, that's a very interesting prediction. And one that makes a certain sense.

I'm not sure they've gone through many protectors/MIBs in the past because if you remember toward the end of last season i think there was a scene where Jacob and MIB are sitting near the shore watching that pirate ship arrive. The island was around during ancient times tho so who knows, they may not go back that far.. especially considering they appeared to be wearing clothing from the same period of the pirate ship when it arrived.

When the boy first appeared it seemed that his arms were burned or just bloody, which is what made me think it was Jacob. Also just the way he interacted with Locke, saying "you know the rules" and all that. He looks very similar to Jacob... but then again he also looks a lot like Claire. They may all be related somehow. I forget if they ever showed the man who got Claire pregnant in an earlier episode.

I'm fully expecting *at least* one more time jump. They're probably going to go back to ancient times at some point. They'd pretty much have to do that or have a flashback of that time again to fully explain things.

Yeah, I remember the pirate scene. But that only accounts for several hundred years or so. But even if each protector lives to a 1000 that still leaves a *lot* of protectors if the island has been around since the beginning of mankind, or the earth.

Ah, his arms were hurt? Jesus allegory? I remember him holding out his arms when he first appeared, but I don't remember them hurt (I mean I couldn't see.) I'm thinking the kid is somehow an avatar/representative of the island. Perhaps through Aaron somehow as was suggested. I still say it's not jacob as MIB was never afraid of him.

Yeah, I'm thinking at least one more time jump too, if for no other reason than to somehow merge the two divided lines.

edit: oh snap. what if Soyer could see the kid because he has already been chosen as protector? As in the kid can only be seen by those who are/have been protectors? Would make sense if its the island's representative that explains things and sets up the rules for whatever reason...would explain why MIB was so surprised (as the island is already full of people who can see and talk to dead people.)

I didn't notice the bloody arms the first watch-through but i caught it the second time. He's only bloody the first time you see him when Locke is with Richard (about 9 mins in), which is odd timing. You see him *immediately* after Richard denies Locke's request to join forces with him. It's almost like Richard's faith restored Jacob, or Jacob was there to show support for Richard and to get Locke to back off.

Locke sure as hell seemed shocked to see whoever the boy was, and seeing him seemed to push him toward whatever his end goal is with even more haste. That is what made me think he has only a small time window to accomplish his task (getting off the island) before Jacob can fully recover (if the boy is Jacob.)


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Wow how did you guys miss the bloody arms?? That was the first thing I saw when the boy appeared. Lost has a way of making the the most innocent things creepy.

Ya know, when MIB ran after the kid and Richard came to Sawyer, when MIB got back and Sawyer asked if he found the kid he replied with "what kid?" Now, if this were any other show it'd just be sarcasm but this is Lost. Now, I'm not saying the MIB Forgot he was chasing a kid, but it could have been implying that it wasn't a kid at all. :)

"Nothing to see here citizen. Move along please.''

Sawyer is his own man so it'll be interesting to see if he's going to try working a con on MiB. I'm betting the events of the finale will hinge upon it. :thumbsup:

Interesting thoughts all above! I would like to think, the kid was neither Aaron nor Jacob. I have no good suggestions, who it could be though. Maybe someone they killed or rather tried to kill? Young Widmore perhaps? MIB himself as a kid?

There have been theories, that MIB has been the one to impose as others, like when young Ben first met Richard, it's been said, it in fact was MIB, or Ben seeing his dead mother was MIB. Is MIB scared, because he can't understand, who could do impersonating other than him?

At this point Jack and Sawyer in the final scene could very well happen, but then again not, if the island ends up lying in the bottom of the ocean!

Claire's boyfriend and Aaron's dad is Thomas, an artist. He left Claire in the beginning of the pregnancy.

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/lo...0px-Thomas.jpg

As an aside, here's an interesting talk given by J.J. Abram's on how important mystery is for his imagination and inspiration:

(It's about 18 minutes long)

J.J. Abrams' mystery box | Video on TED.com

Well we know the boy isn't Jacob now for sure, since he's still dead apparently. Unless 2 versions of him can exist side by side (which I suppose is still possible...but I doubt it even more now)

And not surprised to see, that Claire's "friend" is MIB just like we suspected. So how did he claim Syad? I'm starting to think he must have some power to do with death/souls so that when he died MIB claimed/infected Syad and sent him back.

I wonder how he'll go for Soyer? Or if he'll even try to use him in that way...I can't wait to see Soyer's con of MIB :)

Its funny, but its actually looking like Hurley might be the new protector. When Jacob mentioned Jack needing to "do something" he never mentioned him needing to take up the protector position. And Hurley really seems to be Jacob's right hand man now.

Hurley seems to be the most caring and selfless out of everyone so he would fit the spot well, I was thinking the same. Always following the rules, and always trying to do good with a purity of heart i guess you could say.

Locke fits a Lucifer role well with being defiant the way he is ("don't tell me what I can't do") but since he is dead i think that may disqualify him for the position. I think Ben may end up in the bad spot.

That is if either of the two actually do get replaced.

I do like axe murderer Claire better than whiny Claire character-wise so far. She so cwaaaaaazy.

Crazy Claire is crazy awesome. It's such a jarring shock to see her so utterly devoid of humanity given how she was when we last saw her (before the cabin, of course). Another good episode. This season rolls on. I think that may be why MiB Locke works so well, too. It's a testament to the actors to so convincingly play the complete flip of their previous character. I'm a big fan.

I don't think Ben will take any spots, and I wouldn't be surprised to not see him make it out of this season alive.

Here are a few random thoughts I came up with while reading through this thread. I've followed the entire show up until now and have re-watched everything up to Echo's story. I would have organized it better but my mind has been spinning in so may directions this last hour thinking about this damned show that now I'm just tired... so onwards with the rambling.

It’s possible that Jacob isn’t the protector of the island, or he's some other element of the island. At various times throughout the show it is alluded that the monster is a defense system, i.e. protector. Maybe MIB wants to kill Jacob because he’s always bringing people to the island for some reason that MIB doesn’t agree with.

There’s a big chess game going on between MIB and Jacob, and the people are the pieces. Jacob was alright with being killed by Ben because he already knew Ben would never stop until he succeeded in killing him (after all, he was convinced by the island itself (he thought) to do whatever Locke said), so why bother struggling? He didn’t only know that would happen, he already had a plan in motion to undo his death and/or kill MIB in a posthumous act of revenge. Clearly Jacob brought some people to the island to serve his needs (Hurley, someone who can see dead people such as Jacob, who could then relay his motives to the physical world); furthermore, he’s molded their lives so that they will react in certain ways to the situations that he’s anticipated, e.g. Jack breaking the mirror because he’s been totally destabilized by the situation and his past (being told that “You have what it takes,” by a supposed ghost).

Finally, consider that one thing this show has always used is subtle details that end up being significant. With that in mind, here’s an interesting detail that has been overlooked (I think): in the scene where Jacob and MIB first speak on the beach, they’re speaking in modern American accents and dialects… but how could that be if they were ancient inhabitants living in the Black Rock’s time? Maybe they are themselves time travelers… and maybe they’re interlocked in some time loop that won’t let Jacob die (maybe because he’s always been influencing people and bringing them to the island, thus assuring that he can’t be killed in the past).

News yesterday was, Terry O'Quinn (who plays Locke) has written and is shopping around a treatment for a LOST spinoff featuring him and Michael Emerson (who plays Ben) as their "flash sideways universe" characters. They're hit men by night, teachers by day, and have to keep their secret identities secret as they deal with various professional and family issues.

Honestly? ANYTHING that puts Emerson and O'Quinn together again will have my attention. Those two may be the best actors on television right now.

Something I began to think about after Claire buried an axe in the Other's gut, was the sheer number of people who have died on the island over the course of the show. Not counting the original crash victims, it's probably in the hundreds: Others, Tailies, Losties, Dharma, Freighter, Frenchies...

It makes me wonder what is so important about the island that all those deaths can be justified. I realize now that this is the central question I want answered; much more than what Dharma is doing or why the Others are there or whatever. Jacob, what's the point? Why so much suffering and what for?

Also, I got this off of Reddit from a User named NJScorpio:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...JacobTroll.jpg

:p

Hmm.. In that pic i see Linus crossed out. So either Ben is dead or no longer a candidate. Maybe it happened when he used the wheel to leave the island.

Edit: Now I'm wondering if that is Ben's Daughter. But it seems to me that that would have Danielle's last name (Reusseau) and not Ben's since it's really her daughter.

Linus could mean Ben's father.

Ooooooooooooooh yea i forgot about him.

If i were MIB I'd just assume the form of the dead polar bear and eat everyone. Sure, being a flying swirlydo mist of death can be fun but sometimes ya gotta eat a fucker.

My question is, what would MIB do if he got off the island? Bring about the end of the world? Drive a UPS truck? I dunno... Maybe all he can get on the island is 56k dial-up and he wants cable but there is no service provider for his area. He wants to leave so badly but we don't know why. Jacob seems to be able to leave the island whenever he wants.

Pondering:
Ben was on the island in his child form at the time the nuke went off, so how was he off the island as a teacher in the alternate reality if that reality was a result of the bomb sinking the island? Ben should be a bunch of bones in Davey Jones' locker, shouldn't he? Some folks were evacuated on the sub i think, but wasn't Ben with the others by that point? There's so much going on in this show its hard to tell if i missed something or if there was just never any explanation given to answer this.

I don't think Ben was with the others yet--he'd met Richard, but went back home after that meeting. He may have been in a hospital bed recovering from a gunshot, though...

Nah... unconscious young gunshot victim Ben had been given to Richard for the Temple healing and as of the Incident, there was no indication that Ben had found his way back to the Dharma folk yet.

It's still unexplained how the flash sideways scenes relate to everything else in the series and how Ben could be alive after Jughead's detonation. We don't even really know if Jughead was detonated in this alternate timeline - perhaps the branching occurs earlier. Or perhaps the island sinks for some other reason.

I'm starting to get the feeling that Jacob's intentions for jack in particular involve him taking over his role for protector of the island. Perhaps with Hurley and company as the "new" Others.

Btw, i'm really hoping that Sawyer is in the opening stages of one hell of a long con for Smokie.

Loving the Jack Rick-roll, LOL.

The name at 109 is Friendly. I wonder if that is a nod to Tom, aka Mr. Friendly that Sawyer killed a few seasons back.

This season isnt as good as some of the early seasons so far, but its still building to what has to be an awesome finale.

We're dealing with what's "really going on", though. The conflict between Jacob and MIB has been in the background of all the drama over the last five seasons. We're finally at the nut of it.

Tonight's episode now ranks as one of my favourites of the whole series.

Great work from Michael Emerson!

Edit: Trivia note: It was directed by Mario Van Peebles!!

Michael Emerson/Ben has been one of the best experiences of TV ever for me. The character is wonderful, and Michael Emerson has sold me on EVERY moment of his life. The man is a genius, and I'm so glad they took an episode out of this final season to devote to Ben, because goddamn does he deserve it.

Spoiler: For what it's worth, I totally thought Jack was gonna get blown to hell tonight. I'm almost a little sad he didn't.

WAY seconded about last night. And I love how sidways-Ben redeemed island-Ben. Island-Ben's so broken now. It's hard to see him like this after how we've known him for all these years. But last night's ep was a turning-point for him.

I definitely agree about Ben. I actually think he's one of the reasons the show got so awesome in season 3/4/5.

If you have a choice, would you be on team smoke mist monster, which includes Sayid (super ninja assassin bad ass) and Claire (axe wielding nut job) or team jacob, which include a bunch of whiny losties? I would be on the smoke mist monster's team for a bit before taking out their second and third in charge (Sayid and Claire).

Team Jacob doesn't even have a god-boss. Team Smokey has all the bad-asses... plus Smokey!

Jack hasn't picked sides yet, I guess, but I'm glad he's gone to Richard for answers. And we don't know where Jin is--last we saw him, Psychoclaire was fixing his leg in her hut. Is anyone else unaccounted for? Where's Sawyer, since we last saw him in the cliff cave?

Not after the suicidal Richard we saw this week. Another big mystery answered. I wonder which 'Kwan' is the candidate, or are both of them candidate to attempt a co-leader thing.

I can totally see Jack/Sawyer as Jacob/MiB respectively, but I foresee Ben becoming the next Richard whenever management changes

I wonder if "Kwan" is the daughter they left behind? It would make sense since both of parents are tapped.

Has anyone noticed how Alex is now smoking hot? I guess getting killed and then being off the air for a year will certainly do something.

She's a little more grown-up now, she's sort of grown into that nose....

Seriously though, the first time on the show I thought, "Gee, she's looking pretty fine!", she was dead 20 minutes later.

Last night's episode was the best of the season so far. Heck I think it was one of the top episodes of the whole show.

Well, for those of us out there who wanted answers out of this last season of Lost, boy did they heap them upon us with that episode, and it did not disappoint in the least. The scope of Smoky and Jacob's conflict has really been wonderful to see unfold. I guess my main issue going forward with this season is how they'll reconcile the side flashes with the "main story." I don't have a good thought for how that will work out, but I'm rolling with them here, and enjoying the ride.

I loved that they took their time telling the story. I feel that they gave it it's proper due.

Also, I'm glad Richard is back on the "good" side.

It was a beautiful episode. The scene with Richard and Isabella and Translator Hugo was SO nice.

Did not like that Keamy said, "Some people just aren't meant to be together." Don't think it bodes well for the Kwans.

Nope. Don't like that at all.

But Jack also remarked that he guessed no one told the tomato it was supposed to die - right after sideways-Sun got shot. I think they're leaving this one up in the air - whether or not supposed destiny is defied.

Why didn't anyone tell me that fainting at the handshake was a sure-fire way to pick up chicks?

That was a really good episode. I had forgotten about the time jumping rules. And I'm pretty sure even though most of them met and talked in the alternate time line none of them ever touched (while conscious/alive unlike when Jack touched Charlie when he was unconscious, lol that sounds dirty.)

Where have you been? This is #3 on the chick's list.

GREAT episode.

See. You. In. Another. Life. Brother.

Ho-ly crap.

They can put Desmond in any episode and it automatically gets better. He's such a great actor and his character is part of the reason the show is so great. His relationship with Penny just pops out of the screen. Their "first" meeting in the stadium was just beautiful.

John and Jack shook hands, Sun and Jin DEFINITELY touched. I'm pretty sure it was island Desmond getting revived after the EMP knocked him out that pulled him out of alternate Desmond's mind and back into his own which caused alternate Desmond to faint.

I don't want this show to end. It's starting to reach "Season 2" status with the quality of story telling and acting. I fucking love this shit, brotha.

Yeah. This season is really going to make us sad that the show's ending, because they've done so much to make it great.

I honestly think that everyone else could end up dead, but so long as Desmond and Penny end up together, I don't care. They have such wonderful chemistry. It's very hard trying to think of Whidmore as one of the..."good guys" this season, after I'd really pegged him as being the big bad of the show.

I'm not sure how I'll handle a Hurley episode after all the portents of the Desmond episode, but I suppose short changing Hurley wouldn't be fair to anyone. And, indeed, he may save them all (he's certainly my top bet for replacing Jacob), so I guess I shouldn't be too upset.

Tonight on Lost:

BOOM!!

Holy shit!

hah, couldn't have put it better myself.

But seriously they better give a reason why Hurley wanted to talk to 'Locke.' It reeks too much of plot railroading.

That mysterious boy is growing up and starting to look like Jacob more...but if that's him why did he need candidates...huh, this is totally left field but what if its the man in black (aka 'Locke') as a kid? Before he turned evil. Triggered somehow by MIB taking a permanent body. Maybe if the kid catches up to him in age he fails somehow.

Oh, and wtf do you think Desmond ran over Locke for? To get him to remember, or to kill him so MIB can't escape somehow? I'm starting to think the way MIB is trying to escape is by 1. picking a body, then 2. merging with the alternate timeline into said body and freedom.

I was thinking something similar, but then he didn't finish the job, he just drove off. Desmond's mission seems to be to get everyone to remember. I think it may be a way to get Linus Locke and Jack together in the alternate reality. Linus will accompany Locke to the hospital where Jack will be.

Those 3 seem to have a hard time remembering the island, maybe they need the extra contact of all of them together to get it to work. Each of them have come into contact with many of the others already (not counting the plane) and they still don't seem to remember. Maybe everyone has their own special combination. Linus Locke and Jack seem to make sense as one of those. Or simply the near-death experience alone may make Locke remember, as it seemed to do with many of the others who remember. I have a feeling that Locke will miraculously be able to walk after this.

I'm not sure yet if MIB knows about the alternate reality. My thinking is that the alternate reality is part of Jacob's plan to thwart the MIB.

It seemed like Libby wasn't one of the trapped ghosts on the island. That is a pretty important point, i think. Why? I dunno yet i gotta ponder a bit more. She sure didn't hurt anyone from what i can remember.

Interesting thought. I wonder if Michael is alive in the alternate reality? Since his ghost is stuck there.

I'd disagree with Jacob having that plan to blow up the island. I don't recall Jacob ever nudging them in that direction. Plus, I'm pretty sure MIB would know about it. That's something he'd sense I think, considering that island is like a magic prison for him.

Not too sure though...

I'm beginning to think that the sideverse is more like a mass delusion than a true alternate timeline or reality. In the end, surely the main characters will have to choose between the two, no?

Did you notice that Desmond is now acting like Jacob in the sideways world? He's going about "touching" people and manipulating them just as Jacob did originally.

And by touching I mean running over them with his car.

I dunno, I think the two universes/timelines are real. I think in the end they will merge into one new one. With most of the dead characters getting their life back. Either that or it will be a tough choice between two evils, and they'll pick one that resets everything back to the very beginning of Lost, and they'll end the show with them trying it again to get it right. Ya know, one last FUCK YOU to our sanity from the writers. :)

Agree with what everyone has said thus far. However, if someone was handling unstable dynamite, they should be more careful with what they put in the bag. And throwing it on the ground will most likely end in said person being killed, which is what happened to Illana. Not a very bright individual is she?

Did someone mention that Desmond #2's mind is now in Desmond #1? Is that why he is acting so calm after the time travel experiment?