Terminator 3, Monstrosity AND missing James Cameron's touch
 

Need to vent here. T3 was unmoving. I felt no emotion. I felt no connection. Was I wrong for going to the movie with high expectations? To be as good as the second, or even the first? Yes, I feel guilty because I should have known nothing good could have come out of the CRAP that movie studio's produced from 2000 on. The one thing to push me over the edge was the absence of the Terminator 2's score. It was <b>NOT</b> present in any of the film. Not even the credits! Not to mention the cheezy special effects but that was to be expected anyway. Too much BOOM and BANG. It didn't make you think. There was just too much action to really follow along. They didn't stay consistent with the previous two films in some ways. Why change the Terminator's view mode (from red coloration to full color) he wasn't upgraded at all (this is a small nickpick still). The addition of the TX and the change in sex, wasn't at all bad. It didn't take away from the movie. I will highlight the good points of the film later on (edit) but truly this movie was a letdown for me and any of James Cameron's fans, as he, sadly, did not make this movie. To make things even worse, they plan to do a fourth, which in my mind, will completely destroy the Terminator series. GOD DAMNIT, WHY?!!! *fist hits wall*

*WARNING* Thread may contain SPOILERS.

Man, i can agree that the was no plot. James Cameron is amazing and the moive missed him. But come on... He Smashed Everything. The action was great, Edward was great, stupid five year old catch phrase's were great. After seeing that happens to a good action flick when it gets a plot (Hulk) i was looking for something else. This movie was great and i highly think everyone should see it.

I think you're all alone on this one. Not every movie has to have a huge in depth plot, we know most of the plot from t1 and t2. You're the only person i've heard say they didnt like it. Seriously, sometimes, i think people cant even accept a good movie, someones always got to bitch about it. Honestly, you can downplay any movie. It had a lot of action, kept with the series, and was very well done. Most people think this way, and perhaps you should realize that not all movies like i said, have to have this crazy in depth plot, the plot, was very straightforward. It all fit well. I firmly stand by this movie, and hope to god there is a fourth one. However, i hope its in the future, where they just fight the machines, and finally defeat them. That would be so sweet...:). Just my humble opinion. Feel free to tear into me now.

I haven't seen it, but how could a Terminator flick be bad?

I mean, you should already know the plot before even going into the theater like UnlikedOne said. Arnold has to destroy the other terminator, right?

That's what I expect to happen, and when I see it... ANY little plot twist should make the movie even better.

Re: Terminator 3, Monstrosity AND missing James Cameron's touch
 

The summer movies are always about escapism.... it's historically been that way for at least two decades. Matrix was the first action francihise to really push the intellectual side, but since it's roots are in japanese anime, it's really not that far fetched, and it wasn't a summer movie.

I loved it, especially the end. I wasn't bored for a minute, entertained constantly. It actually exceeded my expectations- and delivered the end that I honestly didn't think it would. I'm actually looking forward to the next one.

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I'm not sure if it was Judgementday or just seeing a cold war fallout shelter during nuclear armageddon(me being a big post-apocalyptic movie junkie) that left me with a 'wow' feeling.) Its probably the latter..

Sadly enough, the plot was the best thing about it. The effects weren't any better than T2, the action was uninteresting, the female terminator was not threatening, and the humor was goofy and self-parodying instead of witty. I would have really hated it had my expectations not been so low to begin with.

I really enjoyed it. I can't remember the last movie that was none stop action from beginning to end.

*SPOILER*
Trust me it can. And didn't Arnold have to destroy the other Terminator in T2? Still combining action and fear effectively?

The whole movie was just one unfinished chase scene. It couldn't do it for me. I don't know if that "boom and bang" is appealing to people maybe the ones who don't have taste. Who most definently said, "This is was a great movie because it is a Terminator movie!" I mean I could sense the fakeness all around me in many scenes but not to say I didn't enjoy Arnold's intelligence when he dropped the crane underground for that nice smash or the "Talk to the hand!" line at the gas station. But regardless, they seemed to want to mimc T2 so badly. Bringing in that god forsaken psychiatrist from the psych ward. Who cares about him? Why the hell was he brought along with the police to the cemetary? Does he think he can stop the Terminator? That was annoying. Even though they didn't use the theme!! Your not a true fan of any Terminator movie if you didn't miss the theme. It's just what makes it heroic; to keep fighting, to survive. Well, listen to the theme and get your own ideas. Then they had to make the TX not-effiecient, come on, with every upgrade there is more intelligence, so why does she waste 5 shots on the little kid opening the door? Ooooh, big threat!

To quote someone earlier, someone always has to bitch or something to that effect, I'm not bitching I'm just saying what everyone else is afraid to say, That this movie was too much action and not enough emotion. No fear. Didn't feel scared for a second nor shocked unless someone can point out a scene that scared them. T2's knife through the milk carton was gory enough for me to give you an idea. Didn't see that creativity here. But again did like the ending, with jamming the fuel cell down the TX's throat and the earlier LA smash fest but just at the end when the crane truck filps over. Maybe it didn't have to make you think, though that would have been a plus, but it sure as hell didn't make you feel.

The psychologist was is both previous movies. It was a good tie in IMO that this guy has retired 10 years later, he's finally come to grips with the T2 incident and the previous time of talking to Sarah Connor on the impossiblity of the police station skirmish.

As far as a unfinished chase, yes it was like coitus interuptus, and I think that was it's hook. They came to the realization that there was no Skynet to destroy. There were no supercomputers to find, it was over in the very beginning of the movie when Gen. Robert Brewster activated Skynet.

As far as not having the music, I'm not sure if it was a loss to all the bidding that went onto acuire the franchise. I did not miss it.

Shooting the boy 5 times... ferocity. The terminators have always been feroicious and over the top since the beginning of the first movie.

As far as the digital special effects, they were the cleanest and most incredible I've seen. T2 was the first to bring all those element together. It was going to bve near impossible to top, especially since the technology hasn't made such a great leap sine. The Arnold heads were not digital, even when you can see the jawline of the base robot. It was all real and not digital.

Issues that I did have with the movie:

I wanted more machines to rise ala maximum overdrive, especially after seeing the cop car and fire engines being controled.

the T-1, explain that it was the first teriminator. I only learned this from watching HBO first look. Also note, they were FULLY robotic not just animatronic. That is a neat thing.

The TX should not have had that emotional face of OH SHIT!!! when he pulled out the energy device... robots have no emotion.

actually, yes, they should show emotion, its a good way for them to infiltrate human bases, etc. Just as arnold showed emotion of sorts, this tx would be no different. Granted, it might have been excessive, but really he could have just held it,(the fuel cell) or opened up her mouth and stuck it in(hehe).

The psychologist was not necessary he barely said two sentences and was outta there. He was just brought in for a laugh nothing more. If anything he hindered the movie by appearing in it. And, the TX's emotion before she blew up, yes I noticed and hated that. But that is the exact same thing as being "ferocious". Terminators can not be "ferocious" they weren't even designed to be. They were made to be efficient killing machines, no emotions (can mimic them). And, if their actions appear to be "ferocious" in doing so then that can only be defined by the person watching.

I'm going to take back the "Monstrosity" crack I made about T3 in the title. I didn't <i>hate</i> this movie and that is too harsh a judgement. But there were definently some bad elements that made me feel this way. Though, I must say T3 is a "must-see". I liked it but hated a lot of it. You'll have to decide for yourself. Don't get me wrong that was a pretty short movie to begin with.

And, as James Cameron said it best, who was asked, "Why didn’t you want to do Terminator 3?"

"Basically because I had told the story. To make Terminator 3 was to make a 3. Was to just do a film for the sake of the commerce. Quite honestly, with all the other above the line players, it wasn’t that attractive a deal. I’m being totally honest here. I could make a lot more money off of any other film that I made. Now, if I had a story that I felt passionate about telling, I wouldn’t have considered that. But I didn’t. I would have been doing it for the sake of doing the third Terminator. The only compelling reason for me to have done that film was a sense of pride of authorship. “Well, dammit, I did the first one and I did the second one and it’s my creation and I should do the third one.” But ultimately, that’s a stupid reason to spend a year, year and a half of your life in hell to make a big movie. I’d rather spend a year of my life in hell to make something new, which is what I will be doing."

You never know how AI will act... expecially when it acts on its own.


I agree.. I missed the theme music... but it WAS in the credits (barely).

We went into the movie with fairly low expectations, but we actually liked it. It was good to see they ended the movie the way they did. Even my gf, who isn't really into action blow em up movies, liked it quite a bit.

I just saw the movie. Honestly I was expecting total shit. Was T3 as good as the first two? No, it was lacking in comparison.
That said however I was quite entertained by it. It was far better than most sequels, my GF dragged me to Charlies Angels 2 the night before. Now that was a monstrosity.

Terminator 3
 

Anyone seen T3 yet. What are your thoughts on the movie?

I was very excited after leaving the film, as my mind was wrapping itself around the wholel mythos of the three films. That, and the fact that I LOVE how they ended the film. They NEVER end fiilms like that anymore, where evreything the heroes were working towards the entire film was for naught, and we all end up getting fucked.

Seriously, it takes a lot to surprise me in a movie these days, especially in a "summer blockbuster sequel", and they managed to do just that by actually going through with judgement day. Kudos!

I liked the movie. Claire Danes is cute. The TX was hott, and John conner was as whiney as luke skywalker.

The only problem with it is the quickness of it. (Quick as in pace, not as in lenght)

Also I know it was probably an ad spot, but there was no drama in knowing that Sarah died by lukemia.

I thought it was pretty good, but I went in with low expectations.
it was really cool how this one kinda ties everything together and fills you in on the whole skynet situation.........and yeah the ending ruled, definitely cool seeing the nukes all heading for destruction all at once.........

Re: Terminator 3
 

woah.... you completely missed all the posts above yours.

To any solid James Cameron fan: T3 is nowhere, I repeat nowhere, near as good as T2.

With that said....does this justify labeling it a bad movie? Hell no. The action was great, the acting was poor, and it got me excited; just like any other action movie out these days!
T3 was definitly just T2's story and direction methods all re-done, as if the director just felt it was up to him to re-do the movie instead of adding more smart, intelligent storyline.
I dunno, I could go on for a long time about it. I just have to say that T3 is nothing like T2 or T1 in that it is now using different, more modern ways of exciting a crowd that is growing stupider and stupider (one solid proof of this lies in that many of you have accepted this as a true addition to the Terminator series.....:rolleyes: ) And come on, I hope all of you picked up on the cheesy advertisments.... I counted at least three: Budwieser, Victorias Secret, and some new perscription drug on the huge billboard. Yeah yeah, maybe they needed the support for the movie, yet I know Cameron would have never stooped so low, even if it meant cutting the budget some. Yeah I loved the movie, I just wish it wasn't called Terminator...

It was a cool effect, and my favorite part of the movie, however, it's just not possible to remote control just any type of vehicle. There have to be actuators, or some other way for the steering wheel and accelerator to be manipulated. And how was she able to send and receive a signal from these vehicles when they weren't in her sight? I could see how they could pass off the signal thing by saying it piggy backed on some of the other communications equipment the vehicles carry, but how did she know where Arnold and Connor were? The police vehicles don't have those types of sensors to relay the info back to her. All in all a cool scene, just not a believable one.

i feel that this was a horrible movie and the no one should see it in theatres ans should wait untill they can rent it. There was no real plot and the conection between the other movies was unrealistic. Also...did anyone notice that Jon Conner was a pussy in this movie. He was a hard ass in the 1st/2nd and then the third one hits and hes a dumbass pussy. Just my $.02.

Ummm... in the first one he's not even born...the only "pseudo" on screen appearance of John Conner was the last few minutes of the movie with a pregnant Linda Hamilton.

The second one he was a hard ass???? He was this whiny little boy, saying sappy type things like:

Damn straight he wasn't a hard ass! GREAT, GREAT reply Cynthetiq. Those few lines helped me reminence a little of T2. :thumbsup:

There's a huge difference between being a pussy (t3) and being human (t2)

LMAO!! Did you even watch Terminator 1 and 2? The only hard ass moment John had is in the beginning of T2 when you see Future John scarred and looking out into the wastelands.

John in T3 is a much more realistic character, he knows his destiny and is afraid of it since it's such an immense weight on his shoulders... the entire fate of humanity.

Lets put it this way. The worst thing about this movie is the lack of originality.
The first movie was groundbreaking because you get the surprise of seeing the robot after the gasoline truck explosion. You never expected it to survive, and then... here it comes again, more scary than before. THAT is where the title comes from! T2 and T3 are o.k. but both are remakes of the original. nuff said.

BTW- T4 has the possibility to bring back the flava from the first, but most likely it will be a rehash of the rehash of the rehash.

News flash people, Cameron didn't hate T3.

What in the world would that matter? I'm not sure about you, but I'm working with *my own* opinions here bud...

T3 wasn't nearly as good as T2. The scene in T2 where Sarah is escaping from the hospital, sees Arnold, and scurries away from him, is GOLD. There is nothing nearly as dramatic in T3.

t3 wasn't meant to be dramatic, it wasn't meant to have a deep plot, and it wasn;t meant to be original. it was pure action and pure comedy. it was much funnier than t2 which i didn't think possible. i don't know what you guys liked about t2 so much...yes it was awesome, but only until t3 was released. it was only meant to close the series, and it did exactly that.

the future of this movie continues from the first movie not the 2nd. after destroying the t1000 and the remaining evidence, the plot reverted back to the original timeline.

do you need to have a laptop "in sight" of a wireless router for it to transmit...i don't think so. radio waves can go anywhere they want.

she used nanomachines to modify the cars so that she could control them wirelessly. she is designed to assimilate other machines... if they aren't capable of doing what she wants, then she "rebuilds" them. by the time she was done with them, those vehicles were basically cars of the future (except they still run on gasoline)

yes that was funny the glasses... and the talk to the hand.. hilarious.

Radio waves can go anywhere they want, but you need a receiver to intercept the transimission. Like I said, I could get over the remote control part because emergency vehicles carry sophisticated communications equipment. I can see how she could have modified what was on board to receive signals she was emitting. What I can't see is how the cars were able to tell her where Arnold was. Like I said in my original post, the ems vehicles don't have the type of sensors necessary to relate that info back to her. Therefore, the only way she could have controlled the ems vehicles and attack Arnold was to have everybody in her line of sight which she clearly didn't.
And you still need some physical device to turn the steering wheel, and press on the gas and breaks. From what I understood of the dialogue, the new terminator in essence can reprogram other machines to control them, it didn't say anything about rebuilding them.

Actually the other way she could have kept an eye on them is if she electronically broke into some government spy satellites and used them to track Arnold.

Which they didn't show so she did not have that kind of access.

"electronically broke"?! Who are you? What other way is there to break into a satellite?

ala enemy of the state?

No, there is only one <i>Batman</i> and that is <b>Adam West</b>!

Michael Keaton was the best Batman.

I certainly agree with that

HiJackeD thread. :(

Yeah appears so. But sometimes you can get off topic. As I am about too:
But you know, that's another topic as well in the past. :D Can we please get back to T3?

BTW, Asterisks symbolize me being off topic as in another thread. I wasn't quoting anyone but myself. :lol:

I went to see T3 with very, very low expectations. The movie was satisfying, but I will always have a soft spot for the first Terminator which was very clever. That said I did enjoy the battle on the streets, it was exciting and didn't get boring.

Question: In the first movie the point was made that only biological things could go back in time. The terminator was covered in living flesh and that is why he could get across. So how did TX do it? Is liquid metal living?

OK, I thought T3 was fucking awesome. I really liked the ending alot. I was so glad they didn't supposedly stave off the apocalypse yet AGAIN. Now John has to face his future, and can no longer keep trying to prevent it. I thought it ended perfectly.

I loved this movie.

SPOILER

Anyone else nearly cry when the T-850 says "We'll meet again." and shoves the secondary power core into the T-X's face? Something about self-sacrifice that just made me feel very sad after the T-850 died.

Shit, if you think that made you feel anything. T2's lowering of the Terminator into the hot steel made me (mentally) cry. God, the music honored him, his mission was complete, and he did a thumps up before his arm was completely submerged. Ohhhhhhh, I can never feel that way again. But, yeah, I hear ya on the self-sacrifice. Not too many I know willing to sacrifice their life for another's. :(

I agree completely that it didn't make you think, but I was definitely in the mood to see something just like that when I went so I thought it was really good. I like how if you think of the stupidest thing to say after something happens in the movie, you have a pretty good chance of guessing what Arnold is going to say. haha.

can you recommend any other "good" post-apocalyptic movies?

The Day After was a good post-apocalyptic movie.
As for books, I like The Swan Song, and On the Beach. If anybody can suggest any others please do so. I'm also a big fan of this genre and I haven't read anything good lately.

what didn't you like DAMNATION ALLEY???? or any of the Mel Gibson Mad Max stuff?

if you're into games then the Fallout series is the definitive post apocalyptic RPG game :D

anyways it was a satisfying movie, it wasn't as great as the others thats for sure, but it was still a damn fine movie and worth watching

:( :(

I agree wholeheartedly, and I cry with you.

"Threads" is a British movie from the same era as "The Day After". Similar story, nuclear conflagration erupts, UK is wiped out, survivors do their best. 28 Days Later reminded me a lot of that movie, similar feel.

And for books, of course the extended version of Stephen King's "The Stand". :thumbsup:

TERMINATOR 3 - HIT or *HIT
 

Finally it came.... i'd been waiting for Arnold to return in 12 loooong years! And what happens - its complete sheit! I have no idea what so ever why the critics praised to the sky! (very GRRR) :(

Only good thing about T3 was the new superhot robot.

Am I alone on this ?

I have not seen the movie and was planning on seeing it in the theater.....Due to all the good reviews.....I would also like to hear more complaints if any....IMDB says it was good as well...

I really didn't think it was bad at all. I'm not super-familiar with the Terminator mythos, but it was an entertaining movie when taken for what it is. Maybe a few too many funny lines though.

Threads beat the socks out of the sugary American "The Day After".

Threads really was quite unforgiving in what it showed as being the likely consequences of a nuclear holocaust.

With regards to Post Apocalyptic RPGs, does anyone here remember Aftermath? I'm talking real RPGs here...

Mr Mephisto

PS - I went to see T3. I enjoyed my popcorn. 'nuf said

Yeah, I actually have a copy of it. Really pretty graphic and disturbing.

T2 was to Metal Gear Solid as T3 was to Metal Gear Solid 2.

Think about that one for a second, I'm going to go each an apple.

I think the biggest problem with all of the people who didn't like the movie is that they depended on it as an escape from real life, even if for 2 hours. They expected it to be entirely seperate from the world around us and to have no tie-ins to actual reality. They don't want to be reminded of the real world while watching this movie. That might be okay, if not for the fact that the makers specifically made the humor tie in with everyday life, and what goes on in the world. They tried to make the movie just a movie, and not make it an alternate reality for people to practice their escapism, so the real problem is that those upset with the movie are so because it was just that, a movie.

And on a side note, you people felt sad watching some of these movies? Does the term fiction not have any significance anymore? I mean the sheer break from reality should desensitive any feelings at all due to the fact you know it's just actors because it's not possible to be otherwise.

To counter: If a "movie", as you say, is just actors in an alternative reality we should not be able to feel any feelings, right? Wrong! If the movie is good enough to make us experience any type of emotion because of its believeableness or simply realness then that movie is not a movie anymore. It becomes a lost story of what could have been. And you, then, become lucky enough to see it and gather you own feelings/thoughts about it. A lost story. It really is. Just because there's the idea of machinery tied in with a human, it doesn't take away from it's "story". Ex: Matrix
I'm sure there are a million more to list but I don't have that kind of time. On a ending note, you seem like the type of person that goes into these "fiction" movies, which 99.9% are excluding ones based on a true story, and always nitpicks the movies for all it's bad points until you are satisfied. If you don't have the type of mind to enjoy the "impossible" then you have no imagination at all. Stay away from <i>fiction</i>, that goes for sci-fi too.

I agree with the people who thought T3 wasn't that bad. See BREAKDOWN for an example of Mostow's talent for action (come on, tell me that car chase scene wasn't kick ass).

Honestly I'm pissed at James Cameron. Sure I would have liked him to direct it. But it was his own fault he didn't. He was offered the chance to, but when he found out his old producers had bought the rights to the Terminator franchise without telling him he refused. The fuckers massive ego got in the way.

Eh, I applaud his integrity. He said he felt the story was told. So I believe him; why continue something you don't believe in anymore.

^$ and lots of it :D. Still a good movie, any way you slice it, imo.

I thought it was a pretty good movie.

It did accomplish one thing: they set it up so the series could possibly continue without Arnold.

But I don't think I'd want to see that happen.

And, oh yeah, Breakdown is a fucking great movie.

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Brute force.

Ask yourself, how would I get into space? Then get back to me.

you mean checking off the brute force checkbox on the haXor script kiddie toolz?:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

:lol: As always glad to hear from you Cynthetiq!

I thought the movie was all right. The effects weren't bad. It didn't seem as epic as T2, but it was still pretty good.

I reckon T3 was a v.good movie, it had not many action scenes but good plot to back it up, and it also explained parts of T2 which was good

It had good action though the script was cheesy as all fuck. Lady terminator was EXTREMELY hot

Kristanna Lokken's ass made the movie prrrrrfect. :)

My only gripe are the loopholes in the plot.

The series shoud have ended at 1. Reese goes off on how after they sent him throuhg, they blew the machine that sent them back.

And other misc. things I can't remember since it's been a while since I've seen it.

Sarah: "You're from the future?"
Reese: "One of many possible futures."

The time-travel business in the Terminator flicks are mind-fuckers.

But I agree with you, Kristanna is soooo yummy, she looked adorable in that AirForce Officer outfit.

And I never understood why the machines kept sending machines back at various stages of John's life.

To kill him while he was <b>weak</b>. Duh!

I liked it the same way I liked Pirates of The Carribean. Good, action-packed summer fun. I knew it wouldn't be as good as the first two, and it wasn't. But that's ok, because it wasn't trying to be better.

And I can't believe people are actually arguing about the "impossibilities" of electronic manipulation, vehichle manipulation, etc, etc...in the movie....it's the freaking TERMINATOR, not Scientific American!

Thought this was e decent enough follow up. imo not as good as other two but was never gonna be. Roll on 4 but let that be the conclusion. Series cant end like this one did.

I liked it yeah, although it definitely felt like more of just an action movies, then a drama/action like T2 was.

T3 was definitely craptacular. I mean c'mon....the T-X (oooooo....ahhhhhh) chases them the entire movie...and in the end they just, ya know, blow it up...no big deal...and then, ya know, cause the explosion isnt that big, they just kinda dive out of its way....no biggie

GIVE ME A FRIGGIN BREAK

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You liked Legaly Blonde 2 and not Terminator 3... that alone makes your rant worthless lol

hey i didnt say i liked it...i just said it was more entertaining...there is a difference.

I guess i probably didnt like T3 because I was so let down...I dunno

I saw Terminator 3 in the theater, and man, that movie down right blows compared to the first two. Holy hell that movie is bad. There is a certain formula that works in the first two Terminators, and it is missing VERY noticeably in the third one.

I honestly wish it would not have been made. James Cameron created one of the most popular and critically acclaimed series in all of film-making, and I was REALLY pissed off to see it destroyed by a director and screenwriter that wanted to please the blockbuster audiences.

The Terminator series is made for those who want to think, those want to see a badass good guy and a badass bad guy fight it to the death and NOT feel guilty about it. You are not watching a Chuck Norris shitfilm in Terminator 2. When T-1000 walks down the hall in the beginning and the dreaded T-1000 theme kicks in while John frantically tries to open locked doors, you know you're watching a masterpiece. There is an aura of "awesomeness" during the entire movie in Terminator 2, and even a bit in the first one. These movies are not comedic even though they are more entertaining than most shitbox movies that come out today trying to make us laugh. We feel for a machine, we feel for a young boy and his mom trying to survive fate. We want to run from T-1000 ourselves, and even though we've already seen the movie, we still think that just *maybe* T-1000 will kill them this time. Robert Patrick as T-1000 is one of the best movie villains of all time.

You can honestly believe that the events in Terminator 2 can take place. The T-800 firing a minigun outside of the window down onto the police armada hasn't been rivaled in many movies. It's not over-the-top, it's not under-cool, it's JUST right. Cameron knows how to make a serious movie with a twinge of badass thrown in. He also knows which special effects will look good 10 years from now. Check out Terminator 2 right now, the graphics are still better than half of the crap that comes out today.

You believe that these machines are capable of killing people, and moreso than anything, they cannot be stopped. Sarah, John, and the T-800 are running from death the entire movie, but not in unreasonable circumstances. They make logical moves, and none of the characters make any one-liners that are out of context. When watching Terminator 2, you want everyone to survive, you hate it when Sarah Connor is shot by T-1000, and you want to punch Robert Patrick in the face for being such a good bad guy. At the end of the movie, we're all sad that the T-800 has to melt himself to get rid of the last chip. Any form of father figure that John will have is destroyed, all because of a future that John cannot change.


Terminator 3 is horrid. The Terminatrix could have worked, but where is the dreadful theme that accompanies T-1000? Do I care if John dies? No, not really. Do I care about the Claire Danes character? Ha ha. DO I CARE ABOUT THE T-800? Nope. The characters are all stale, unmoving, and not emotional. No one seems to get depressed that death is coming after them and WILL kill them. The CG in the movie blows out the ass and is an embarassment to film-making. In order to understand why this movie is inferior to the first two, particularly the second one, you have to understand the first two movies themselves. We don't watch the Terminator movies for action, we watch them because they deliver a plot with great characters. Even a machine is able to change through Terminator 2. Now that's character development.

Terminator 3 is a huge failure no matter which way you look at it. The only way I can see anyone liking it is if they didn't quite see the first two as I did, as they are truly meant to be seen -- as two of the greatest, emotional and action-packed masterpieces to hit the silverscreen.

-Lasereth

THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THE GOD DAMN THEME WAS MISSING! NO EMOTION AT ALL! I WILL BECOME A MOVIE DIRECTOR TO SPITE ALL THE BASTARDS WHO MAKE HORRIBLE, HORRIBLE CRAP! WHERE IS THE YEARN TO BE DIFFERENT? TO BE THE BEST? NO, THESE DAYS IT DOES NOT EXIST! MAKE MONEY, THAT IS THE GOAL! NO FUCKING IDEA HOW IT WILL MAKE A PERSON FEEL OR REFLECT ON THE MOVIE AFTERWARDS...SO MUCH TO SAY NOT ENOUGH ENGLISH IN THE WORLD TO EXPRESS IT....THUS ENDS my rant.
Aghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! *moan of agony*