Lost: Season 4 (with Spoilers)
 

So LOST returns this Thursday with 8 new episodes. Finally a break from the Writers'
Strike TV torpor! I've been waiting for this eagerly since the end of season 3.

Here's the ABC season promo trailer:



It suggests that this season's arc will deal mostly the crew from the boat. I'm not speculating about their origin too much, other than that they're "bad guys".

Who else looking forward to it?

PS Since this thread starts with Season 4, I think we can safely dispense with spoiler tags for seasons 1 though 3.

Hooray! A shining beacon of awesome TV in a sea of reality-show filth.

I am pumped. Though I'll have to watch it tape-delayed since I've got a birthday dinner to attend...

Even though there are only 8 episodes for this "season", it'll be short and sweet I suppose.

I really hope Season 4 is like Season 1 or second half of Season 3 and is in no way like Season 2 in terms of quality. :)

I'm eagerly awaiting my LOST fix!!!

I liked Season 2! Get us back into a HATCH, quick!!

To be honest, Lost is losing my interest fast.

I watched the recap episodes tonight and found I wasn't that interested in investing my Wed. evenings in being disappointed and wondering if there were more.

They better start answering questions left and right, or I'm getting lost, fer realz.

You know what? People have been saying that since the first season, and mostly they're still around. I'll believe it when I see the mass exodus in the ratings--and not just short term feedback on how bad the first half of Season 3 sucked.

I don't get what people's problem is with the varying seasons of Lost. I didn't think I would watch it but after seeing the first 3 episodes I was hooked. I watched every single episode of every season of Lost in a couple of months and the show is freaking awesome. The show was different in season 3 at parts but it was never bad or a let down. Also, how do people think Season 2 sucked??? The hatch was freaking amazing and one of the most suspenseful plotlines I've seen in a TV show.

I love Lost and I can't wait for season 4 to start. Great show.

I have been roped into this Lost phenomenon myself, much to my own flabbergasticiousness. :p

I've not been much a one for tv shows other than Twin Peaks. But I started watching Season 1 with Phillip around Thanksgiving and I've already been through all three seasons, lol.

Not sure if I'm going to bother trying to catch the episodes on tv, though, I'm not very good at catching scheduled shows...I may wait until it comes out on dvd.

Tivo or DVD-R system. Than you don't have to shell out of for the DVD's.

I watched Lost a bit at first. Right up until the "others" entered the picture. Seemed like it became a mix of a modern day Swiss Family Robinson and the Twilight Zone. Then it was "isn't there a Family Guy rerun on?"

I don't have either of those. Basic cable, baby. I don't even have the digital box thingy.

I didn't buy the Lost dvds, Phillip did. :) Otherwise I would get them on Netflix...that's the only way I managed to get through Six Feet Under. I would never buy a tv series...unless it were something like Twin Peaks, The Family Guy, Simpsons, etc. Shows that there's a good chance I would watch more than once.

I was on my back for a significant amount of time. I have TV toys coming out my... hmmm maybe this is why I was on my back so long?

I've been buying the Simpsons season down here at Costco. I think I now have seasons 1 thur 10. They work pretty well for learning Spanish and you still get to laugh. I put the audio on SP and the sub-titles on ENG. I think I'm making progress. People no longer don't look at me like I'm crazy when I ask where the laundry soap is at Wal-Mart.

Side note it's funny how what's said and what's written vary so much at times

This episode was such a tease. I feel so used.

This is what I said during the first episode, but I kept watching. By the end off season 1, I popped in my Alias DVDs.

Last season I was worried that the flashforwards were going to be dead ends: repetitive footage of mopey and self destructive survivors. Tonight's opener indicates to me that there's still some fun to be had back on the mainland.

Yeah, this ep was a tease but I'm hooked.

i didn't get the whole charlie/hugo episode at the mental institution....i know crazy people see things, but i thought crazy people saw different things than other crazy people.

I was a at a friend's house when Lost came on tonight.
WE sat down to watch it, and it turned out to be a recap show, again!!
What was the point of those recap shows last night if they were going to do it again tonight??

Anyway, I didn't watch the new episode of Lost as we determined McDonald's needed our money, immediately.

I'll catch it later, or not....

Wow, I'm wondering if we're going to be predominantly in flash-forward mode from now on? Wouldn't that be interesting, if the rest of the story gets told in retroactive bits from the perspective of island-escapees?

The flashbacks have largely served to show the past that the characters are redeeming themselves of on the island. Last night's flash-forward showed Hurley, in part, redeeming himself after rescue for things he did on the island.

"The Oceanic 6." Pretty obvious that there's still a huge amount of people left on the Island and that only 6 were rescued.

Great episode. Man those writers really know how to draw you in.

I actually sat down to watch this last night, cursed through the hour-long recap and fell asleep in the middle of the actual episode. :lol:

Now I can't watch anymore until it comes out on dvd.

Oh well, I tried...

Trust me, this episode will be quite adequately captured by next weeks "previously on".

ALSO!! Anybody actually watch that next show, whatever it was, for the very special announcement from Oceanic Airlines?

This is from lostpedia.com:

I'm not sure if this is a contest for a real prize (having that kind of golden pass would be pretty freakin' sweet) or if it's related to this find815.com alternate-reality game that was running in the past month. (I don't really know much about that ARG ... I'm too lazy to do those.)

And, last night's episode was again, awesome. Yeah, a tease, but there's still plenty of storyline and episodes left.

I have to say that I'm pleased they cast Jeremy Davies in a role, if he's, as the previews tout, a "bad guy," they've done a nice job.

He's one of those actors I love to hate, he's just got this squeamish, obseqious... bit going on that's a lot of fun to watch.

It'll be interesting to see how the newcomers will be adapted into the story. If the writers have shown anything, it's their willingness to have both series-long and season-long arcs occur fluidly. People can moan and groan about not getting answers, but in that sense, the show is very finely crafted.

i believe that you can watch it on abc.com

anyways, this episode was alright, but nowhere near as good as a season premiere should have been, especially after that fan-fucking-tastic season 3 finale. seriously, that's probably my all time favorite lost episode or close to it. i really hope this demi-season picks up. it's all i've got until those writers get off their duffs.

I'm liking the flash forwards, and found this episode to be satisfying, if not exciting. I didn't find this season premiere to be as "Holy shit!" as last year's, but I'm still totally hooked.

I really tried to watch Eli Stone so I could find out what the Oceanic announcement was...but it totally sucked and I gave up after about 20 minutes.

I thought it was a great episode. I'm loving the flash forwards much more than I thought I would.

Spoiler: So was it Hurley's funeral that Jack attended in the S3 Finale?

Spoiler: I thought the obit had "JO" listed as the first part of the name?

Spoiler: I don't think so. The casket wasn't big enough. I'm betting on Locke.

Spoiler: I thought it was locke too last season but the way things are going i don't see even jack visiting his funeral.

oh find815.com has a little LOST side story with video and a few mini games. Kinda a time waster but mildly interesting for those of us that can't wait till next week :)

Spoiler: "Because I have a man on their boat."

HA!

Awesome.

This was a BIG episode.

this episode >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> last week's

i'm liking the new characters so far, and ben and locke are as awesome as ever. plenty of great moments, such as "if i still had a kidney there, i'd probably be dead", "how stupid do you think i am? *gun fire*" and of course when ben shot the chick with the accent.

Is it just me, or is the british lady the same one who is in the gum commercials?

If not, why do all british people look alike?

100s of years of being stuck on the same island together?

Now the island has an archaeologist, a physicist, a ghost reader and a pilot all looking for Ben. Why?

This episode was a great tease.

Perhaps it's some group connected with the old DHARMA Initiative trying to exact their revenge.

I figure the ghost reader for Jacob, the archeologist for the giant foot statue and the physicist for whatever Dharma was into and the peculiar properties of the island.

As for Ben... He's closer to centre of all these things than anybody. (Locke has a similar but still developing relationship). What the Employers are really after remains to be seen Ben is some sort of Key I gather.

Last night's episode was so much better than the season premiere.

Spoiler: Who do you think Ben's man on the boat is? I think it's the Russian guy with 9 lives..."rescued" after blowing himself up and killing Charlie

Lost is heating up for me again. Saw both eps last night.

It's good to see Jeff Fahey working.

Oh man, I didn't even notice that was Jeff Fahey..


So what's the deal with the polar bear skeleton in the desert?

Seeing as it came with some Dharma logo'd paraphenalia I figure it's the site of another of their compounds, long since abandoned and they use captive Polar bears specifically for experiments. I assume the ancient use of the site was of interest to them though we're still in the dark about all that. Perhaps it had similar "powers" as the island.

I don't think that the specific nature of that site matters to the plot other than as background on the scope and history of the Dharma project.

I'm looking forward to seeing more of thier backstory and mythology.

The man on the boat is Michael, or his son, wilt. I've thought about this one long and hard, and this makes sense to me. When Michael took the boat out, he was told directions from Ben, that would have led him right to the "boat" 80 miles off shore... What do you think???

Negative. Ben's surprise when he heard over the walkie about Naomi nixes that one. He knows who they are, but he didn't know exactly when they were coming--and certainly not where they were (prior to having someone on board??) a few weeks ago when Michael left.

I like how Sayid is an assassin working for Ben in the present. I wonder what persuaded him to switch sides.

Especially given Sayid's quote about only trusting Ben after having sold his soul.

What was it that Sayid said to Ben at the very end of the episode? I replayed it several times and just couldn't make it out. Ben's reply was "Good.", followed by the blackout ending.

I imagine Sayid and Ben's target list involves executives of a cabal who are trying to exploit the island in some nefarious way and perhaps are behind the boat crew. Who knows.

Anyways, hooray for gripping flashforwards!

Sayid said something about them knowing he was coming after them and Ben responded by saying "Good."

Yes, exactly. Ben said, "I have another name for you." Sayid, "But now they know I'm coming for them." Ben, "Good." Black.

This season has been absolutely spectacular so far. The flash-forward format has completely reinvigorated the series. The flashbacks had gotten to the point of distractions from the major plot while now I'm finding the flash forwards to be more compelling than the events on the island.

Is anyone else excited about Miles the Ghostbuster being with Locke the next time they encounter Jacob?

Woo hoo fun times!!

And what do you make of the bracelet just like Naomi's on the wrist of Sayid's latest victim.?

I think it means that the syndicate/group that's after Ben on the island fail to get him, and are still trying to kill him once he's escaped from the island. For whatever reason, Sayid is helping Ben, presumably to protect either the other members of the Oceanic 6, or others still present on the island.

I really think that the syndicate/group (that seems to have the black guy, Abbadon, as its quasi-leader) has something to do with DHARMA. Basically, this is their way of trying to exact revenge for the purge.

I can't decide if I'm really interested in the 31minute time difference... Its interesting, but I just need some answers. Still love the show.

It's a really tricky line to walk, incorporating time travel and relativistic physics into a mass-media TV show like that. I'm hoping that there's no popular revolt and alienation because of that.

I sure am. I'm guessing it ain't going to go very well for Miles.

That was the impression I got. In fact, didn't Ben say something about that in the last few seconds of the episode?

That whole last scene, the dialog was so fast and muttered, it was hard to actually make sense of. Unusual for this show.

That's my suspicion too.

Here's the thing: Sayid has been established as a highly principled sell-out. He's got a rigid moral code, but when the shit hits, he'll do what he needs to do, and pay the emotional price later. That's what got him into torture, that's what had him work Sawyer over in S1, etc. Some serious shit must have happened to have him become Ben's gun-monkey.

This whole flash-forward thing is ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT. There's a whole new life to the series now.

So I've only started watching this show since season 3 (wikipedia caught me up with everything else) ... and I'm beginning to wonder, do other fans really think that there will be answers to all of the major questions floating out there to this show? Are we really going to be satisfied with all of the explanations with everything by the end of this show?

I'm thinking that we'll have a lot of answers, but there's still going to be a lot that we'll be confused about...

I think the 31 minute issue is a matter of the island's effects on electronics as opposed to a genuine attempt to bring relativity or "realistic" time travel into the picture. We know for a fact that you can make real time communications by phone off the island (there was no weird lag with Penny and Charlie or with any of the island crew and the freighter) so any new time latency issues are going to create problems with that established fact. Guess I could be wrong, but we know the island does funny things with machines. We don't have any clear evidence of its effect on time.

My thinking here is that Daniel talked to the freighter "live"... complete with the freighter saying that the payload was delivered, then some time later (I presume actually 31 minutes on the island), the payload appeared on the island. So the freighter talked to Daniel, and reported a quick delivery, yet delivery was delayed. I am flummoxed.

Holy cow talk about a good episode of Lost. This show revitalizes itself every episode.

This episode was AMAZING.

Who caught the details of the Black Rock/Hanso/Widmore tie-in? I think I got it all except the particular Hanso who was the former owner of the journal.

Penny's been searching--presumably with the help of the Portugese from the end of S2--for Des. She said three years. Does that line up with how long we think Desmond's been on the Island?

The interesting thing now is to see how time is perceived differently on vs. off the island. How come communication can be synchronous? Shouldn't Penny's transmission (from London, presumably) have been sped up or slowed down? Am I thinking too linearly? This "answer" prods all sorts of other interesting questions!

Oh, wow, I'm still floored by the sheer awesomeness that was this episode of LOST. Going in from seeing the previews last week, I didn't want it to hype it in my head too much, but it didn't disappoint. Everything was just ... perfect.

What I want to know is, what makes Penny decide one day that she's going to start looking for Desmond? My guess is when she finds out that Desmond goes missing during the race and doesn't finish (much less come in first), she decides to start her quest. And according to (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Desmond), the span of time in which Desmond has been on the island and how long Penny has been looking for him seem to match up.

The other thing is that I didn't catch all of the details, but there was something about how the boat was deliberately not answering calls from Penny. This definitely makes me think that Widmore/Hanso has something to do with the freighter crew and their attempts to infiltrate the island again.

All in all, absolutely fantastic episode.

I missed the first seven minutes of this episiode, from what I saw this question wasn't answered. There are two dichotomies regarding time:
1) On versus off the island, (the 31 minute discrepancy with the rocket)
2) People stuck in time versus people unbound by time (ie. Desmond and Eliouise the (dead) rabbit)

So this episode discussed the second question, about how Desmond was able to see the future and how he flashed back into the past, but it doesn't answer the first question.

I had some issues with the whole "unbound by time" thing. If Desmond wasn't bound, then shouldn't he have been able to see into the future and known that he would have contacted Penny, so why would he freak out?

Also interesting was the note in Faraday's notebook saying, "Desmond is my constant". My only guess about why this is significant is that it could mean Faraday also unbound himself from time.

This was one of the most satisfying episodes...I felt like I should have smoked a cigar afterwards. Finally some real answers that begin to put some parameters on the crazy lost universe.

Oh yeah, forgot about this thought... well, perhaps the freighter is in the normal space-time as the rest of the world, and that's why transmissions appear normal. In fact, all electronic communications to/from the island have had no anomaly whatsoever. There are the satellite phone calls to/from the ship, there was the communication with Penny in the season finale of last year, there was Ben communicating with his man in America to prove to Juliet that her sister was alive and well. So I'm beginning to think that this time anomaly has more to do with one's own perception of time -- though this is admittedly something that I'll have to digest and think about for a while...

This has got to be THE BEST episode of lost EVER!!! I have it on my DVR so I plan to watch it again. I know I had to miss a few things because I just about stared with my jaw on the floor most of the time.

I agree with INKRIMINATOR......I need a smoke after that too!!!

Des wasn't unbound in a Billy Pilgrim kind of way. (A shiny new nickel to the first person to cite the reference!) As we saw, he was bouncing between two very specific times. He had no memory of who he was in the show's present of Christmas Eve day, 2004--it was as if leaving the island had the side effect of reaching back into his past (1997, did he say?) and pulling that consciousness into the show's present.

There's an inconsistency, though--the ship's comm officer, whose name I forgot but who was unstuck in the same way--remembered his position and circumstances of the current time. That's necessary from a storytelling point of view; he has to be able to tell our losties enough about the radio room to motivate their action. But it's inconsistent with the symptoms Des was having.

By the way, I'll bet another shiny nickel that this was originally written to be aired around Christmas time. This was LOST's version of a Christmas episode, that got schedule-FUBARed by the writer's strike.

"If something goes wrong, Desmond Hume will be my constant."

All he's saying is, coming and going from the island is dangerous. Particularly, it seems, for people exposed to radiation or strong electromagnetism (like, say, turning the failsafe key in a magnetism-related bunker). Daniel has been exposing himself to radiation regularly in the past (particularly his head), and so would be at risk. He's GOT to come and go from the island via those particular bearings, or he's toast. But if he is, he now has Desmond to balance his equation, and he'll be fine.

Problem is, he can't know that he'll be bouncing between the NOW of the island and the NOW in which Des came to him at Cambridge for help. The effect is random--might be just a few hours, might be years. He could find himself bouncing to when he was a high school physics geek, with no Desmond to come along for a decade.

I don't know that it's inconsistent as opposed to just convenient storytelling. We don't have any idea how far in time the comm officer was jumping, or if the jumps always work with the "anchor" in the past as opposed to the current/future. There's nothing that we know about being unbound to give us a great deal of guidance here, so the officer could've been completely disoriented in his "other state" (which we never saw) like Desmond was on the boat. Either way, it doesn't bother me very much.

A fantastic episode. Desmond has been one of my favorites ever since he was introduced and they continue to do him justice whenever an episode focuses on him. Next week looks like it'll be a riot, too. This season just keeps delivering. I'm just sad they're going to have to cut it short.

Oh, yeah, no, it's a quibble. It didn't even occur to me until I was typing up that post. More of a "hunh, that's interesting" than anything else.

I'm not sure we can assume that the "side effects" will affect everyone in the same way. Perhaps that's why Minkowski (the ship's comm officer -- and I guess that's why he wasn't answering the phone...) could remember his position and circumstances of the current time, and Desmond can't. And Desmond's in a good position if he no longer remembers crashing on the island, accidentally killing Kelvin, pushing the button, being in the hatch for 3+ years, etc... for all he knows, it's 1996 again and he's waiting to be reunited with Penny.

I don't think that this was written to be aired around Xmas time... before the strike happened, I was always under the impression that LOST was going to be aired on a Jan/Feb-May timeframe for the final 3 years.

I believe that there will be different side effects depending on the person. If we go back to when Des was in his past and in Faraday's office, Faraday said that he got the mouse to run the maze because he was actually going to teach the mouse an hour from then how to run the maze. So with the mouse it jumped first to the future. Now with Des, his first trip was to the past and that is where his mind got stuck and couldn't remember anything in his life past that point.

I got the impression that Desmond recovered his memory when he talked with Penny. He called Sayid by name, and said he was fine.

Even so--and we may never be able to resolve it--but I'd bet Damon and Carlton originally wrote it intending it to be aired around Christmas. But you can win my shiny nickel anyway.

http://govia.osef.org/nickel.baiRie8a.png

I believe he got his memory back also. I think that was the whole point behind Des addressing Sayid by his name.:thumbsup:

This is how I interpreted the scenario, so if I am wrong please tell me.

When Desmond was in the helicopter and went back to 1996, his memories of 2004 were erased because of the high exposure to radiation when he turned the key in season 2 (or was it season 3?) . When Desmond left 1996 and returned to the present, it was like he just arrived and has no memories of the last three years. The only way to regain all his memories from 2001-2004 is to go back to 1996 and find his constant, which happens to be Penny, and tell her not to change the phone number so he can call her on December 24, 2004. When he came back to the present, December 24, 2004, he called the present Penny and made contact, which then brings back all his memories from the past three years. I think the time travel ended once he made contact with his constant.

This is like memorizing a formula!

Hmm... ok, maybe I was mis-remembering the scene and thought that Desmond only knew Sayid's name from having "met him for the first time" just then. But it seems like lostpedia claims that now Desmond's fine, and the whole "once you make contact with your constant everything's fine" rule vaguely makes sense.

Hooray!

I read that the series finale for Star Trek:TNG was a major influence to the writers in writing this particular episode of Lost. Pretty interesting parallels, there.

I'm still floored by how excellent this episode of LOST was...

It was my impression as well that he recovered his memory when he talked to Penny, though it's certainly up for consideration.

Hot damn that was an amazing episode!

The extent and nature of the time travel side effects are not just keyed into the person but also Geography.

1.) Faraday charted a safe course through the time turbulence (I just made that up) so the crew wasn't affected.
2.) The thunderstorm blew the returning helicopter slightly off that path, triggering radioactive Des's jumps.
3.) The Comm officer (works with radio waves) recklessly approached the island in a small boat without taking heed and both he and his crewmate paid for it with their lives.

So the extent of both a previous exposure to high energies AND your brush with the island's time turbulence will determine how severely and wildly you will be effected.

Slaughterhouse 5 by Kurt Vonnegut! I'll pass on the nickel but I will take a Penny. Hubba Hubba!

Ok, so at the end of Season 2, Ben told Michael to go on a different heading when he and Walt left on the boat. I wonder if that will have any adverse (or different) effects on Michael and Walt, or if for whatever reason the headings are different by air and by boat.

I think we'll find out when we Spoiler: discover that Michael is Ben's man on the boat. I don't know anything, there, I'm just guessing.

Apparently Actor Malcom Kelly, who plays Walt, has hit puberty and the time travel angle will be used to help explain his sudden growth.

Yeah. I loved that Locke referred to that. "It was Walt. Well... Walt, but taller...".

You think all this time travel stuff is setting us up for the triumphant return of Michael and Walt? And do you think that in the time Walt used to grow up, Michael grew his Matrix Reloaded hair back? Cause I'm as straight as guys come, and even I thought that was hot.

Triumphant?? I hated Michael after season 2. There would be nothing triumphant about his return. :grumpy:

Perhaps that's the "cliffhanger" that the producers were talking about at the end of episode 8 for this season. That was one of the reasons they decided to air what they've got while the strike was going on. It seems plausible.

But why would he decide to start working for Ben? (The same question we're asking for Sayid!)

I'm not convinced that he is but I CAN think of a couple of possible reasons:

1.) After leaving the island he didn't find his way back to the mainland and needed help. He wouldn't be welcome back at the island after his betrayal so who else could he turn to?

2.) Ben's ultimate goals are for the greater good after all.

On the other hand doesn't the organization behind the boat people have full knowledge of the lost passenger identities? The crew appears to be hand picked so how could they possiblly hire Michael unknowingly? Eh, perhaps he's a stowaway.

/me shrugs

I'm finally watching Lost. In a few short days I've gotten through seasons 1 & 2 (watching Live Together, Die Alone Part 1 now). I'll probably be caught up by late this week. I've also downloaded the podcasts, which I'll be listening to after I've seen the appropriate episode.

I'll be joining you all soon....

I caught up with this season this past weekend and while I find the show to be addictively watchable, I also find it to be maddeningly convoluted. They have to be making this stuff up as they go along.

And it makes me want to pull my hair out when people won't share information with the group or with the people who obviously need to have it. And when they do, like, stupid things. I find myself talking to the tv a lot: 'Tell him, you jerk!" 'Don't go out there, you idiot!,' 'What the hell are you doing now?!' I feel like I'm coaching a pack of deaf pinheads. If they'd just do what I say, they wouldn't be in all this mess. :p

Negative. They're working inside a VERY carefully planned out story arc--the executive producers have said that especially since they made their agreement with ABC about how many more episodes they're making and how they lay out over the coming seasons, they've got the next 2.5 seasons plotted out nearly episode by episode. They were always working inside an overall plan, but now that plan is very specific and detailed.

yeah-huh :p

I'm gonna put all that on the shoulders of my man, Brian K. Vaughn. He's written some great comic series, most notably "Y:The Last Man" and "Ex Machina." Not only are they interesting to read, but they have a story arc, both a beginning and an END. Y just wrapped up and Machina is going to soon (both of which make me very sad).

Anyway, the show seemed to be floundering a bit until they hired him. Then within a month or two, they announced how the next few seasons would be set up and that there would be a ending date... something which I don't think they had ever mentioned before.

Ok, it's probably not all his idea, but he's a great writer and I'd imagine he had something to do with all the awesomeness we're seeing now.:thumbsup:

WOW, I had no idea they brought Vaughn in. That's a BRILLIANT choice. Y is the best graphic novel series I've EVER read, and that's saying something. They guy's an American Alan Moore, but hipper and less gratuitously erudite.

I know I'm dragging out the inevitable to say it, but... Y ain't over yet! Vol 10 isn't out until June!

Yeah, I read the trade paperbacks too, which is why I'm craving some Machina right now. And some Walking Dead.

I love Alan Moore, but I think you hit the nail right on the head with that one. Imagine if he started working on Lost!

Love me some Walking Dead.

Oh, man. We'd have Victorian literary figures dropping randomly onto the island. The island would be the Shining Lands! And... Ben would be Jack the Ripper! And... Locke would have a Rorschach mask! And... Instead of imploding the hatch, Des would have blown up Parliament!

In all, it's a good thing it's Vaughn and not Moore.

Yes, but Kate could wear the Silk Spectre outfit, what's wrong with that?

Ok, now I'm geeking myself out.

You have a point, sir. Also, instead of a helicopter, they'd be flying Archie out to the freighter.

Somehow I think Jack would make a good Night Owl.

You and me both. Notice how everybody else on this thread has shut up? ;)

Also, the lot number for the journal at the auction was the same number that Farraday told Desmond to set the oscillator.

I went to Google Silk Spectre and found this:

http://www.canmag.com/nw/9130-malin-akerman-watchmen

Which are also from Hurley's Lottery numbers etc...

4, 8, 15, 16, 23 42

So...someone explain something to me. We know 5 of the Oceanic 6...Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid..and who? Aaron? I'm confused.

i was wondering if ben is considered part of the six. i know he wasn't on the plane, but we know he's off the island.

I doubt Ben is one. He wasn't on the flight, and also his nemesis, Penny's dad, would know of his existence. Aaron may be considered one of the six, which means there's one left. If he doesn't count, Michael and Dwight may have made it back. I mean they've been boating for quite some time.

Sayid has apparently turned into James Bond.

I thought that too...but he wouldn't be on the airplane manifest (maybe he took a dead person's name). They'd have to explain him somehow.

Yeah, somehow I don't think Ben would let himself rise to the level of celebrity that the Six are at. Not with Old Man Widmore on his butt. So, is Sayid killing Widmore's people?

I loved the Locke/Ben scene in the basement in New Locktonia. "They are going to be sooo mad when they realize you still don't have a plan." "Do you have a plan?" "Oh, I always have a plan."

My hunch is that the last of the six is either Sun or Jin. I just don't see them still together by the end of the series, and if not on the island, then back to Korea away from the spotlight.

I think so. Based on the information from the most recent episode, where Widmore is revealed to be the one masterminding/financing the attempt to get onto the island, Ben/Sayid team up to help protect everyone that's left on the island by going to war against Widmore's agents. Makes sense to me.

Another thing, I have a feeling the BOTH Jin and Sun are the last of the remaining Oceanic 6, and that Aaron doesn't count. Just a gut feeling.