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Brewmaniac · 10-18-2007, 02:03 PM

Ok, I've never seen it but netflix users rate the movies really high, so I thought I'd start with the tv series first.

Disc 1 shows Serenity, The Train Job and Bushwhacked

IMDB(internet movie data base) shows:

Season 1, Episode 1: The Train Job
Season 1, Episode 2: Bushwhacked

My question, is Serenity the piloit?

Cynthetiq · 10-18-2007, 02:09 PM

Well i'm not a fanboy of the series, but as a casual watcher of the show and I enjoy all of Joss Whedon's stuff, Serenity (not the movie) was the pilot.

Brewmaniac · 10-18-2007, 02:17 PM

Thanks thats what I thought! I hope it's good.

Willravel · 10-18-2007, 02:22 PM

The network fucked it up originally. The pilot, "Serenity" didn't show first! The first episode to play was supposed to be the second, "The Train Job", which showed September 20, 2002. The pilot, "Serenity", originally played December 20, 2002.

Brewmaniac · 10-18-2007, 02:48 PM

What network was it on, Will?

Willravel · 10-18-2007, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Brewmaniac

What network was it on, Will?

It was on Fox.

onodrim · 10-18-2007, 09:56 PM

From the Wikipedia entry about the show:

Episodes (Intended Viewing Order)
1. "Serenity"
2. "The Train Job"
3. "Bushwhacked"
4. "Shindig"
5. "Safe"
6. "Our Mrs. Reynolds"
7. "Jaynestown"
8. "Out of Gas"
9. "Ariel"
10. "War Stories"
11. "Trash"
12. "The Message"
13. "Heart of Gold"
14. "Objects in Space"

The pilot should be a two hour episode, and then "The Train Job" is the second episode. You're doing the right thing by watching the series first and then the movie.

While the movie is excellent on it's own, I think you'll enjoy it on a much broader sense having watched the series first. Just be ready to be really upset when you finish and realize that there isn't anymore!

Jetée · 10-18-2007, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by willravel

It was on Fox.

FX.

Mith · 10-18-2007, 11:36 PM

Yeah Fox buggered the whole thing up. I kept wanting to watch it and I never knew when it was on.

MrTia · 10-19-2007, 03:46 AM

serenity/firefly is great. mostly because of the characters, really.

Brewmaniac · 10-19-2007, 05:27 AM

Just finished the pilot and really liked it! Can't wait to see them all! Thanks all for your insights.

squeeeb · 10-19-2007, 06:02 AM

the best episode (well, no, there are three best episodes) is "objects in the mirror" with the bounty hunter Jubal Early.

interesting little thing here, when nathan fillion, who played Mal in firefly, was on the show Drive, that show about the illegal car race across america, the bounty hunter was the cop after him...

Cynthetiq · 10-19-2007, 06:43 AM

If you like any of the actors in Firefly, many of them made appearances in Buffy The Vampire Slayer and Angel.

guthmund · 10-19-2007, 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by squeeeb

the best episode (well, no, there are three best episodes) is "objects in the mirror" with the bounty hunter Jubal Early.

interesting little thing here, when nathan fillion, who played Mal in firefly, was on the show Drive, that show about the illegal car race across america, the bounty hunter was the cop after him...

I have to ask....what are the other two?

Willravel · 10-19-2007, 07:16 AM

I liked Jaynestown. I know it was campy humor but it had me spitting out my drink ever 2 minutes.

mrklixx · 10-19-2007, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by squeeeb

interesting little thing here, when nathan fillion, who played Mal in firefly, was on the show Drive, that show about the illegal car race across america, the bounty hunter was the cop after him...

Which was also a really good show that got cancelled before it had a chance.

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Originally Posted by Jetée

FX.

Nope, just plain ol' Fox

squeeeb · 10-19-2007, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by guthmund

I have to ask....what are the other two?

Trash, and the one that sets it up, Our Mrs Reynolds. really, i liked them all except Heart of Gold, with the brothel gunfight.

guy44 · 10-20-2007, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by squeeeb

the best episode (well, no, there are three best episodes) is "objects in the mirror" with the bounty hunter Jubal Early.

interesting little thing here, when nathan fillion, who played Mal in firefly, was on the show Drive, that show about the illegal car race across america, the bounty hunter was the cop after him...

Actually, the episode is called "Objects in Space," but I totally agree with you about it being the best episode. And Drive was co-created by Tim Minear, who executive produced Firefly with Joss Whedon.

Welcome to the frighteningly enthusiastic universe of the Firefly fan, Brewmaniac. I look forward to your upcoming despondency over the cancellation of the show, followed by your revelatory viewing of Serenity, and then one last bout of anger towards the show's cancellation.

As your fragile emotional state recedes into a more stable "acceptance phase," please allow me to direct you to Buffy the Vampire Slayer and its spin-off, Angel. The first two Joss Whedon shows are excellent in their own right, and lucky for you, all 12 combined seasons are easily accessable through Netflix.

See you in March or so!

Willravel · 10-20-2007, 05:54 PM

Meh to Angel. I watched the whole thing, but if suffered from several rather serious problems: redundancy and what I call Babylon 5 syndrome, where the last season was a horrible mistake.

Spoiler: I'm still hearing things about the Serenity sequel about the second civil war and the emergence of a democracy amongst the worlds. Of course, our favorite characters would be playing a big part... but without Wash I'd probably end up bursting into tears every 2-3 minutes. It'd be nice to have Chiwetel Ejiofor back as "The Operative". He was astonishingly good in Serenity.

guy44 · 10-20-2007, 06:13 PM

Will, I pray seriously that you are correct about a Serenity sequel, but I highly doubt it. Not to be pessimistic, but good things never seem to happen to my favorite shows (Firefly, Veronica Mars, Angel, Deadwood, Futurama, etc.) and when they do (Serenity) I feel like it's tempting the gods to ask for more or something.

But hey, nothing would make me happier than to be proved wrong.

Willravel · 10-20-2007, 06:23 PM

There have been rumblings since Serenity, but they picked up a great deal since about a month and a half ago. I'm not sure why, but there's buzz growing. Joss has been taking some "me time" recently as I understand it (fatherhood), but that hardly means he's not doing anything. Back in 2006, Joss said that it would be unlikely, but shit so was Serenity. Frankly, I'd rather have them back on TV (BUT NOT ON FOX), but I'd be thanking my lucky stars if we got another feature length film. We all know they can make money. The DVD sales were astounding.

I hope you enjoy the upcoming Futurama movies, I know I'll be getting all of them on DVD.

m0rpheus · 10-22-2007, 12:01 AM

Hell they could go straight-to-DVD if the studio is worried about marketing them and having them flop in theatre (which is what Serenity did unfortunately). This isn't the '80's straight-to-DVD doesn't mean that it is automatically crap anymore.

spindles · 10-22-2007, 02:49 AM

Everybody has forgotten to mention the (3) comics that tie up the main story arc from the series...

You know you are a serious series follower when you buy the comics to fill in the blanks

guthmund · 10-22-2007, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by squeeeb

Trash, and the one that sets it up, Our Mrs Reynolds. really, i liked them all except Heart of Gold, with the brothel gunfight.

Excellent choices.

I would love to see another movie in the theater (just something about watching the object of your obsession with a big group of like minded fans...very Lord of the Rings-ish), but a straight to DVD movie would be fine indeed.

guy44 · 10-22-2007, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by spindles

Everybody has forgotten to mention the (3) comics that tie up the main story arc from the series...

You know you are a serious series follower when you buy the comics to fill in the blanks

No, I think you know you are a serious follower when you read the horrible Serenity novelization.

squeeeb · 10-22-2007, 06:54 PM

i gotta say, i really really enjoyed the film, they did a great job with it. but now that wash and the shepard are dead, it just wouldn't be the same if they made more. unless zoe married mal (which would be wierd, so, maybe not) and they got a new shepard or a different character..., which would also be weird...

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Originally Posted by guy44

Will, I pray seriously that you are correct about a Serenity sequel, but I highly doubt it. Not to be pessimistic, but good things never seem to happen to my favorite shows

i feel the same way. i LOVED strange luck, so it didn't' last and you can't get it on dvd or anything. i LOVED The Secret Adventures of Jules Verne , now gone, and parker lewis can't lose which you can't get anywhere...

it's like they refuse to let the good ones continue....

chrisparkinson · 10-25-2007, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by squeeeb

the best episode (well, no, there are three best episodes) is "objects in the mirror" with the bounty hunter Jubal Early.

interesting little thing here, when nathan fillion, who played Mal in firefly, was on the show Drive, that show about the illegal car race across america, the bounty hunter was the cop after him...

another thing i found really nifty about that, is that if you download the 2 episodes of Drive that didn't air before they cancelled, one of them actually tells us that the cop's name is Jubal Early.
damn i loved that show.

and yes. fox screwed firefly over by switching the pilot away from first broadcasted episode. at least they knew well enough to let joss take the show to other companies, eventually universal, so that they could make serenity.

10-18-2007, 02:03 PM	#1 (permalink)
Brewmaniac Searching for the perfect brew!	Firefly-question? Ok, I've never seen it but netflix users rate the movies really high, so I thought I'd start with the tv series first. Disc 1 shows Serenity, The Train Job and Bushwhacked IMDB(internet movie data base) shows: Season 1, Episode 1: The Train Job Season 1, Episode 2: Bushwhacked My question, is Serenity the piloit? __________________ "That's a joke... I say, that's a joke, son"

10-18-2007, 02:09 PM	#2 (permalink)
Cynthetiq Tilted Cat Head Administrator Location: Manhattan, NY	Well i'm not a fanboy of the series, but as a casual watcher of the show and I enjoy all of Joss Whedon's stuff, Serenity (not the movie) was the pilot. __________________ I don't care if you are black, white, purple, green, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, hippie, cop, bum, admin, user, English, Irish, French, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Buddhist, Muslim, indian, cowboy, tall, short, fat, skinny, emo, punk, mod, rocker, straight, gay, lesbian, jock, nerd, geek, Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Independent, driver, pedestrian, or bicyclist, either you're an asshole or you're not. What's the best nation in the world? DO-NATION!

10-18-2007, 02:17 PM	#3 (permalink)
Brewmaniac Searching for the perfect brew!	Thanks thats what I thought! I hope it's good. __________________ "That's a joke... I say, that's a joke, son"

10-18-2007, 02:48 PM	#5 (permalink)
Brewmaniac Searching for the perfect brew!	What network was it on, Will? __________________ "That's a joke... I say, that's a joke, son"

10-18-2007, 09:56 PM	#7 (permalink)
onodrim Cosmically Curious Location: Chicago, IL	From the Wikipedia entry about the show: Episodes (Intended Viewing Order) 1. "Serenity" 2. "The Train Job" 3. "Bushwhacked" 4. "Shindig" 5. "Safe" 6. "Our Mrs. Reynolds" 7. "Jaynestown" 8. "Out of Gas" 9. "Ariel" 10. "War Stories" 11. "Trash" 12. "The Message" 13. "Heart of Gold" 14. "Objects in Space" The pilot should be a two hour episode, and then "The Train Job" is the second episode. You're doing the right thing by watching the series first and then the movie. While the movie is excellent on it's own, I think you'll enjoy it on a much broader sense having watched the series first. Just be ready to be really upset when you finish and realize that there isn't anymore! __________________ "The world is so exquisite with so much love and moral depth, that there is no reason to deceive ourselves with pretty stories for which there’s little good evidence. Far better it seems to me, in our vulnerability, is to look death in the eye and to be grateful every day for the brief but magnificent opportunity that life provides" -Carl Sagan

10-18-2007, 02:22 PM	#4 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	The network fucked it up originally. The pilot, "Serenity" didn't show first! The first episode to play was supposed to be the second, "The Train Job", which showed September 20, 2002. The pilot, "Serenity", originally played December 20, 2002.

10-18-2007, 11:36 PM	#9 (permalink)
Mith Tilted Location: Mesa, AZ	Yeah Fox buggered the whole thing up. I kept wanting to watch it and I never knew when it was on. __________________ Mith

10-19-2007, 03:46 AM	#10 (permalink)
MrTia Tilted	serenity/firefly is great. mostly because of the characters, really. __________________ The height of cultivation always runs to simplicity. -- Bruce Lee

10-19-2007, 05:27 AM	#11 (permalink)
Brewmaniac Searching for the perfect brew!	Just finished the pilot and really liked it! Can't wait to see them all! Thanks all for your insights. __________________ "That's a joke... I say, that's a joke, son"

10-19-2007, 06:02 AM	#12 (permalink)
squeeeb part of the problem Location: hic et ubique	the best episode (well, no, there are three best episodes) is "objects in the mirror" with the bounty hunter Jubal Early. interesting little thing here, when nathan fillion, who played Mal in firefly, was on the show Drive, that show about the illegal car race across america, the bounty hunter was the cop after him... __________________ onward to mayhem!

10-19-2007, 06:43 AM	#13 (permalink)
Cynthetiq Tilted Cat Head Administrator Location: Manhattan, NY	If you like any of the actors in Firefly, many of them made appearances in Buffy The Vampire Slayer and Angel. __________________ I don't care if you are black, white, purple, green, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, hippie, cop, bum, admin, user, English, Irish, French, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Buddhist, Muslim, indian, cowboy, tall, short, fat, skinny, emo, punk, mod, rocker, straight, gay, lesbian, jock, nerd, geek, Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Independent, driver, pedestrian, or bicyclist, either you're an asshole or you're not. What's the best nation in the world? DO-NATION!

10-19-2007, 07:16 AM	#15 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	I liked Jaynestown. I know it was campy humor but it had me spitting out my drink ever 2 minutes.

10-20-2007, 05:54 PM	#19 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	Meh to Angel. I watched the whole thing, but if suffered from several rather serious problems: redundancy and what I call Babylon 5 syndrome, where the last season was a horrible mistake. Spoiler: I'm still hearing things about the Serenity sequel about the second civil war and the emergence of a democracy amongst the worlds. Of course, our favorite characters would be playing a big part... but without Wash I'd probably end up bursting into tears every 2-3 minutes. It'd be nice to have Chiwetel Ejiofor back as "The Operative". He was astonishingly good in Serenity.

10-20-2007, 06:13 PM	#20 (permalink)
guy44 Somnabulist Location: corner of No and Where	Will, I pray seriously that you are correct about a Serenity sequel, but I highly doubt it. Not to be pessimistic, but good things never seem to happen to my favorite shows (Firefly, Veronica Mars, Angel, Deadwood, Futurama, etc.) and when they do (Serenity) I feel like it's tempting the gods to ask for more or something. But hey, nothing would make me happier than to be proved wrong. __________________ "You have reached Ritual Sacrifice. For goats press one, or say 'goats.'"

10-20-2007, 06:23 PM	#21 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	There have been rumblings since Serenity, but they picked up a great deal since about a month and a half ago. I'm not sure why, but there's buzz growing. Joss has been taking some "me time" recently as I understand it (fatherhood), but that hardly means he's not doing anything. Back in 2006, Joss said that it would be unlikely, but shit so was Serenity. Frankly, I'd rather have them back on TV (BUT NOT ON FOX), but I'd be thanking my lucky stars if we got another feature length film. We all know they can make money. The DVD sales were astounding. I hope you enjoy the upcoming Futurama movies, I know I'll be getting all of them on DVD.

10-22-2007, 12:01 AM	#22 (permalink)
m0rpheus bad craziness Location: Guelph, Ontario	Hell they could go straight-to-DVD if the studio is worried about marketing them and having them flop in theatre (which is what Serenity did unfortunately). This isn't the '80's straight-to-DVD doesn't mean that it is automatically crap anymore. __________________ "it never got weird enough for me." - Hunter S. Thompson Last edited by m0rpheus; 10-22-2007 at 12:02 AM.. Reason: clearing up the wording

10-22-2007, 02:49 AM	#23 (permalink)
spindles Mine is an evil laugh Location: Sydney, Australia	Everybody has forgotten to mention the (3) comics that tie up the main story arc from the series... You know you are a serious series follower when you buy the comics to fill in the blanks __________________ who hid my keyboard's PANIC button?