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Think this recession is bad? Think again.
The recession of 2008-10(?) is generally viewed as the worst since the Great Depression. And that's probably true. We've all heard about how horrible the Great Depression was, but historically, it doesn't even rate as a blip.
I just came across this article in the Financial Times and was absolutely floored. Quote:
So let's posit a complete collapse of the global economy. For instance, a massive solar event renders all the world's computers innoperable. What happens? |
Very unlikely. Because of the reason posited in the last paragraph we have had paranoid people develop arms and armies and pay college tuition for many people in exchange for their lives to protect this. To think that military might only protects a countries sovereignty would be wrong.
The economy may be intricate and perhaps even fragile but it requires an entire people to overhaul it. Not a band of thieves, terrorists or would be revolutionaries ... i.e. The Red Brigade. I disagree that bringing down an economy is easy. |
There are so few industrial and light manufacturing in the United States. Heavy manufacturing still has some centers, but they still rely on parts and supplies from over seas to complete their products.
Farmed goods no longer are localized to the United States, this isn't just beef products, but also fruits and vegetables. I personally believe that last paragraph is something that will be catastrophic. I believe that we need to be self sustaining 100%, and if you'd like to be luxurious, the extra goods comes from elsewhere, but that's luxury goods. Strawberries from South America in Winter? Really? Can we not live within the natural time clock as to when things are in season? |
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I've actually thought about this scale of catastrophe and made plans accordingly by expanding my knowledge of survival, both short-term and long-term. After all, the bigger they are, the harder they fall. |
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Tantrum ensues :p |
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If you're worried about likelihood, it's not in the best interests of the PTB to have a complete collapse, so they can be trusted to cover their own asses and by proxy kinda cover ours. I suppose there are things to do in order to put a collapse-net in place for you and your family. Grow a garden and urge your neighbors to do the same. Be sure you're physically fit and know at least a bit of a hands-on skilled trade like farming, metal-work, or construction. Try not to have more than three kids. Buy some property where it's uber-cheap out in the boonies where there's fertile land that simply has never been prepared to support growing. |
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I wonder why we don't hear more comparisons to Argentina and Japan. Their economies melted down for some reason, it would be nice to make sure that doesn't happen here.
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What I know of the Japanese economy it isn't comparable to the US, UK or any of the other tied marketplaces.
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What makes the Japanese market different is the way they react to economic slowdowns.
Generally, as the economy cools stocks reduce in price. As stocks reduce, the circulation of the dollar begins to decline and value of the dollar increases. As the value of the dollar vs. the price of stocks/interest/etc becomes favorable, people buy stocks/invest/rebuild/etc and the economy bounces back. That, along with the Fed controlling interest rates and other factors, is the sole reason we've been without a depression for 70 years (where they used to be every 10-20). In Japan whenever the economy starts to cool, the entire populace stops spending money. This hurts the economy more than the cooldown ever could, and every 10 years or so they find themselves in very deep recessions.... only to skyrocket back a year later. The major difference is we got hit by three storms this time all at once. The collective hits from all three caused us all to react much like the Japanese and stop all buying. Match this with companies pre-emptively cutting back on their employee count, everyone who WAS secure in their job stopped spending where they otherwise would have... and made it even worse. |
It won't necessarily take something as cataclysmic as a solar event taking out world computing...there are some who make the hypothesis that a return to record-high oil prices will force a reorganization of economies away from globalization toward localization.
No more Chinese manufactured goods in North America. No more fresh berries in the winter. These things will no longer be economically viable, or perhaps merely luxuries afforded only by the wealthy. Some are still predicting $200/barrel oil prices in the foreseeable future. What would it take? |
Canada's recession was "average"
As the article below states, the recession was first deemed "the next Great Depression," then "the Great Recession," but in Canada, we're now calling it "average."
Well, for our recession anyway. Was Canada's recession 'average?' - The Globe and Mail |
The 1837 depression was a really bad one. It lasted until (I think) 1841.
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I'm not really panicking until someone I trust tells me to start investing in tulips.
... I wonder how dependent our economy is on oil. I mean, sure, in our current form it's basically running everything; at the same time, necessity drives innovation, to paraphrase an old bit of wisdom. Would we be able to compensate and cope. Could some of the new technologies in their infancy be advanced enough to fill the gap, should the necessity arise? I don't know. Economics isn't my area, and I know far less than I probably should. I just tend to view human drive and innovation as the real determining factor. |
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Something I have always wondered in discussions of bad times like this:
Why do people think they will be able to keep whatever they have provisioned away in case of hard times? Those who have nothing and are desperate or those who have a means of force to take will simply take them from you. You might be able to stop some. Not all. |
The article was about Britain after its abandonment by Rome. Comparisons to the US do not apply. Britain had become entirely dependent on Rome's technology and when Rome left, they took their know-how with them.
A more apt comparison to today would be what we see happening in African nations which used to farm their own food, but then became dependent on the US and other countries providing their food. Now they are completely unable to feed themselves. |
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