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The bailout seems necessary, but the lack of oversight and the lack of a framework for dealing with the underlying problems is disturbing. Since they've botched everything that has come their way so far, why should we trust this administration to do the right thing? The bailout looks more than a little like the non-plan for the Iraq war.
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the seeds of this were sown by the rise of neoliberalism during the fucking mid-1970s, by its rise to hegemony under ronald reagan, by every institution that has operated as if that ideology was an accurate description of either markets or the world or the relations between them. this enormous turd of a situation is squarely and unavoidable a republican production. clinton-the-centrist was and remains a neoliberal, but not a "fundamentalist" in the way the wacky right economic libertarians might prefer--but maybe--just maybe--we're approaching the moment where those folk will no longer be confused with anything serious.
meanwhile, the 2-page proposal from the administration for the "bailout"---you know, the one that said "you congress will let us do whatever we want"---hasn't passed and probably won't pass for a couple more days because "we can do whatever we want" really isn't much of a plan. there are alternatives---like maybe a bank holiday in the course of which auditors might try to get some realistic idea of what's being maybe taken on---and protection for social solidarity--and a reduction of the explicit obscenity of this in the form of "executive compensation" packages---and these **could** be getting discussed publicly. but instead, it seems that we are now involved in a game of chicken. and as happens in such games: Quote:
there's nowhere near enough discussion about options or implications. the administration is in high panic mode. they need to have panic around them so their panic is amenable to being framed as a coherent response. but why not more a discussion? here are the problems--here are the options---here are the consequences of each---in a democratic society, you'd think this would be routine, since in the end it is the citizens--who are more than taxpayers--the citizens who are supposed to have some power--whose consent this lay with...and it'd calm the fuckwits on what's left of wall street. but hey, why do that? |
This time they claim it was falling real estate prices that brought them down. It's not their fault it was that nasty unreliable unpredictable real estate market. One would think they were loaning money for bridges to nowhere. It makes one wonder what future investments these millionaire CEOs will want us to bail them out of next since we are ultimately responsible for the decisions they make.
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I don't see them doing anything reasonable while they're in power. They have a myopic view of how things should be run. What do you expect? I'm expecting little from the remnants of the team whose captain is George W. Bush. A change of hands is long overdue. Whether it's a gamble or not, any other administration has to be better than this one. Right? Come on, what do you honestly expect from a group who thought deep tax cuts was a great strategy while simultaneously blasting military spending through the already ridiculously vaulted ceiling. At the risk of sounding like a conspiracy theorist, it's as though they orchestrated this disaster. Has it come time that the military industrial complex has come to a screeching halt? You can't keep that ball rolling forever. Or can you? Historically, power becomes concentrated within an environment of crises. |
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Crises are often a pretext for concentration of power, but the word crisis means a life or death situation. Other actors may feel legitimated by crisis and intervene, bringing a more pluralist arrangement. Or, power, concentrated or not, may be inadequate, and the ensuing collapse could just as well bring a power vacuum. The vacuum may or not end in concentration of power. There are all sorts of scenarios. |
It didn't take long...
Here is the word from Newt Gingrich suggesting that the cure is more deregulation and even less government oversight. He also taps the other big platforms of the neoliberal cadre: privatize the schools, privatize social security, stronger border security, etc. Nothing like a bit of panic in the streets and blood in the water to bring on the calls for cutting social spending and privatizing public wealth. |
this is the real thing though, folks.
the statements from the g7 alone should tell you as much. this is a real live crisis of an entire regime of accumulation. nothing is entirely obvious yet. i think this is the part of a crisis that most histories like to make go away to the greatest possible extent, since they start getting written at the point there's an end to the story, so you can start talking about how everything works out. |
guyy, yes, concentration of power isn't always the outcome of crises; yet, I'd say the attempt is bad enough.
Willravel, yes, I saw that. I'll be visiting eventually. Charlatan, no, it didn't take long. What is the size of that man's audience again? roachboy, no, nothing is obvious yet. There are some who would still claim that this is a bear long cycle that we could have predicted. The system cannot appear to be broken over a course of a few days. We'll have to see what happens over the next few months, no? |
yeah, but at the same time, it's almost like you can see crisis happening, like it's a huge movie. if you run through the factoids that comprise that ny times account of the afternoon, it's like a wind is blowing through arrangements--including political arrangements--that are customarily more stable-seeming. it's a strange state of affairs.
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I want to see how the markets play out the rest of the week. If it keeps taking hits despite that $900-billion band-aid, I'm going to start to question the differences of influence between "natural" bear long cycles and neoliberalism. :)
This current cycle is supposed to be coming to an end soon. (It started at around 2000.) But if things go to shit at the end of it like this, then perhaps what we're seeing now is less about cycles and more about politics. |
after a curious and mind-altering day away from watching the wall street has a seizure show...
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this seems to me transparently theater. what it does is reinforce the damage-control tack within the main discourses about this mess, the ones that amount to variations on the "bad apples" thesis. the implication: the system is neutral, distortions the results of particular Actions done by Bad People. meanwhile, this morning, in another sector of the bizarre-o discursive world inside neoliberalism, which is still the trojan horse with no name: Quote:
the center of which is on the one hand an anthropomorphic staging of markets as Giant Brains which react like we do, human beings with smaller brains. i was thinking about this while being forced to listen to some nimrod "news radio" show on my way back from deep ruralia, through thickets of mc-cain signs in what i take to be a particularly reactionary part of a particularly reactionary state---the routine usage of subjective qualities to gloss the actions of markets, the dow jones industrial average as the basis for a new astrology, worth about as much as jeanne dixon's columns, really, but somehow confused with meaningful statements, and so as "news" elements. beyond this, it is interesting to see bernake starting to try to widen the framework in the context of which this latest financial disaster is to be situated---when attempting to sell it on the basis of panic itself did not work, and faced with growing opposition to the vagueness of the wording, the sweeping power afforded to treasury, the lack of substance/design in the plan itself, the narrowness of it's purview, the political difficulties that accompany it---bernake now presents a quick image of the american economy in general as tottering. does this square with how you're seeing this? what are the reactions like to this theater in your everyday life? so far, here in tiny town, it is treated mostly as a giant tv show. things go on as if it is not happening, like it's something that can be tuned in on if the red sox game is not in question late, or during the day if a distraction from work is in order... |
Has anyone heard the new Kucinich plan?
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I haven't met anyone who is happy with the bailout plan.
40 year olds are swelling enrollment at local tech colleges (who are generally only hiring temp. teachers). The big downtown theatre complex/arts centre is in financial difficulty due to the slump. McCain signs non-existant. In Smalltown, where my folks are, the guy who owns half the town, and who is in deep with the state GOP, does not have any McCain signs up. I take it as some sort of passive commentary on the candidate and/or party. |
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you should check out today's webcast for the interview with naomi klein. if you know her work, there's nothing surprising in principle--unless the statement of the obvious match between the way this crisis, such as it is, has been packaged and used by the administration through the vehicle of this 2.5 page "proposal"---if you don't know her work, it'll be pretty interesting for you. the first 22 minutes update and look at this nonsense. |
the bush speech, which succumbed almost immediately to the classical state of emergency style trope, right down to pinning the origin of all this on an influx of "foreign money" which was tied to a previous state of "safety and security (for capital)"...the continuum of entertainment and infotainment was not broken for long by this, however. i am not sure if you noticed that this particular speech was not accompanied by the usual panels of network talking heads who sit around a table and tell you what you just heard.
the claim of course is that this is now an economic state of emergency, that the interests of the particular sector of the holders of capital have managed to become identical with that of all socio-economic sectors and actors within them, one big happy donut in danger of eating itself. and then there was that touching professional of faith in "free enterprise" proffered as a kind of mea culpa i guess. apparently, not everyone agrees with the cowboy george: Quote:
meanwhile, barney frank was on cnbc saying that there was a deal close to being finalized in the house....based on the ridiculous bush bailout proposal, but not identical with it. for example, i do not think the provision that appointed the secretary of treasury to the role of Master of the Universe answerable to No-one at Any Level will remain... on the other hand, between the bus-speech and the german reaction you can see something of the ideological Problem neoliberals are still trying to navigate: separating the implosion of the derivatives sector from a systemic problem, make it over into something conjunctural through versions of the "bad apple" theory or through the "malign consequence of foreign influence" theory (the fifth column within capital flows, you see)...the inability to deal with ideology-driven problems, the refusal to see systemic issues because the ideology is not an ideology, but rather a faith in "the free enterprise system, which is the best system god has yet created" or some such trash. behind that, a refusal to acknowledge a significant blow to the united states as hegemon--first militarily, now economically. meanwhile, from the inverted world of the right, there comes this letter from the republican study committee, which effectively argues that the problems in the derivatives sector and credit sectors are the result of regulation and that the way forward is even less of it: http://www.house.gov/hensarling/rsc/...loutletter.pdf which is kinda astonishing. |
Well, everybody knows that alcoholism is the direct result of alcohol regulation. If we could just let the drunks sort things out amongst themselves without the government telling them where or when they could buy alcohol we'd soon see that there'd be no drunks.
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Thank you sir. :)
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my bet would be one is and one isn't.
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I came across this piece in the New York Times. It's an interesting case that Sweden faced that was similar to the current situation in the U.S.
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So wait a minute....the U.S. bailout plan doesn't set up a stipulation that includes extracting equity from the banks? It's just that: a bailout? Please help me out here on the details. I haven't been reading much because I've been super busy. |
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The states govt is planning to take warrants for stock in any bank of financial company which takes over $300m in , which may, or may not be exercised.
In a teleconference intended only for the ears of investment bankers, treasury officials described how all the measures being put into the bailout bill can be easily circumvented - that they are in the bill solely for political grandstanding and unlikely to be taken up. If you're interested in following the crisis blow by blow, these 2 sites will be interesting: Calculated Risk naked capitalism Enjoy. |
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I found the alcoholism analogy ridiculous, and so took it as comical. Now that I know you both were being serious, I don't know what to say...except that I find the analogy ridiculous. I don't see the connection between alcoholism, the consumption of alcohol, and the regulation of alcohol and the regulation of the economy and economic crises. It's a false analogy. Quote:
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i think that the analogy is that the credit is alcohol, and the us consumer is the alcoholilc...
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Even then, this is still a bit of a reach. (Well, I mean to say too much of one.)
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a proximate condition of possibility for the pathway into this fiasco.
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For the record, I was being ironic, and I thought jorgelito was too. It was a response to the idea that this crisis was caused by regulation, though it's been a while so I can't remember if it was tangential to the current discussion or not).
As someone who has alcoholics in the family (does anyone not have alcoholics in the family) it does seem ridiculous to me. Alcoholics can be exceptionally functional in some aspects of their lives and completely destructive in others-- it isn't an affliction that can be cured with the market. Greed and shortsightedness are also afflictions that can't be cured with the market, and it seems ridiculous to me there are folks who can on the one hand see greed and shortsightedness as good things in that they drive our economy, but on the other hand can't see how greed and shortsightedness could possibly have a detrimental effect on the way people behave in the marketplace. As far as I have been able to tell, there are no regulatins requiring banks to provide loans to people who weren't really qualified for them based on hopelessly optimistic predictions of housing market performance. There are no regulations requiring banks to cut up these loans into thousands of unrecognizable pieces and sell them to other people. Claiming that this crisis was caused by regulation is ridiculous. This crisis was caused by people trying to do what free marketeers ought to do: make money. And they did make money, and even if the economy crashes they will still have that money, because it wasn't their money they were fucking around with, it was ours. One problem with the free market is that sometimes one can ruin the economy and make quite a profit in the process. |
ah i wasn't even close then...
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