PETA: Your Daddy Kills Animals
 

So Peta has come out with a comic book....

http://www.fishinghurts.com/feat-newcomic.asp

and you can download a .pdf of the comic book at
http://www.fishinghurts.com/pdfs/DaddyKillsAnimals.pdf


I thought this was pretty funny...just another example of PETA being their usual selves... i especially like the "Until your daddy learns that it’s not “fun” to kill,keep your doggies and kitties away from him.He’s so hooked on killing defenseless animals that they could be next!" part :crazy:


ok well its time for me to go eat some fish!

Wow, this is pretty gutsy even for PETA. I understand standing up for what you think is right, but isn't attempting to turn children against their parents taking it a bit far?

I suspect they may have overdone it on this time; the public will be more outraged by the material that PETA is attempting to put into children's hands than they will about the ramifications of fishing on the well-being of fish. If PETA keeps up these extreme acts they're going to end up as a fringe movement that nobody takes seriously at all. Last I checked, that's not a very good way to affect change.

As an aside, my daddy does, in fact, kill animals. He's a butcher. I've been on the kill floor and I've watched him work. So far as I can tell I turned out okay.

Chalk another stupid move up for PETA. If anyone ever saw the episode of "Penn & Teller's Bullshit!," you'll know some of the crazier examples of the BS that they try to pull. If they'd only get sane leadership, or even better, just go away. I'm not against protecting animals from extreme cruelty, but an organization that compares chickens to holocaust victims needs a kick in the ass.

Amen. I especially love how PETA euthanizes animals. Guess we'd better keep them away from our dogs and cats too.

LOL!. I think in 03 they came out with one called "YOUR MOMMY KILLS ANIMALS". I handed them out in my store to all the kids. It was pretty funny, what the mothers did.

PETA could do so much good...unfortunately, it seems all they are interested in is "shock and awe." Yeah, they've shocked me right into a desire to go fishin'.

PETA= morons. I'm going to go start my own PETA.

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i'm speechless at their stupidity

You mean there are still folks out there that take them seriously?

Who'dathunk?? :crazy:

PETA has put themselves into a position where they only people who believe or care about anything they say is already a believer in their causes. That's a terrible way to get people to change the way they behave.

I've already formed my "own " PETA

People
Eating
Tasty
Animals

Anyone want to join?

My sister-in-law claims she is a member of PETA. I doubt she is, she is simply just wacko enough to be a member.

I'm up for it. Much better acronym for PETA. Plus i'm tired of teenage girls telling me they became vegetarians because they read a leaflet from PETA.

Actually, i'm probably more pissed at the teeny boppers than PETA. Does it really take on propaganda leaflet to change the way you live your life?!? Do some research and understand what you're supporting or trying to abolish.

Whoever wrote this book needs to spend some quality time hugging endangered tigers.

I read an article a while ago about PETA and its practices. While the content of the article escapes me, there was one quote from a farmer that has stuck with me from that day that I find hilarious. I don't know if he was being serious when he said it or was making a joke, but I think it's perfect.

He said, "If god didn't want us eating animals, then why are they made out of meat?"

I'm imagining PETA interviewing a fish. The fish is wearing a sling on one fin, an eye patch, and is on crutches, detailing its harrowing experience to the fawning members of PETA. Someone in the crowd saying, "There must be something we can do about this....I know! Make a comic book."

I wonder if, in their zeal to print all those comics, they even for one second took into consideration how those trees felt being dismembered and ripped from their forest-y homes just so they could tell us how mean our daddies are.

I would like to remind PETA and their families that trees have feelings too. Hell, they even cry. Look at all that sap.

Man, let us not forget that PETA does (or did at one point) sell T-shirts at Hot Topic.

Hot-Fucking-Topic. The quinessential store for angsty teenagers just looking for the next big thing to be different.

I HATE PETA. I am all about some ethical libertarianism all up ons, but PETA is just wayyyyy too left-field for me.

I'm ready to join, if it isn't about animals.

"Petting Elphaba 'til Arousal" sounds like a worthy cause. :D

Hook me up, on my menu for tomorrow:

Steak
Bacon
Ham
Duck
Chicken wings
And of course:

Milk ;)

Anyone who puts that thing under my door will have a hard time walking off my property.... well... they'll have a hard time walking at all for that matter.

Don't even bring up that PETA kills more animals per year.... That is right... PETA "KILLS" more animals per year, than they save.


If you're an animal and PETA takes you in, chances in more in favor that they will kill you.

Where can I get my hands on one of these comics? I really want to give it to a friend as a xmas present!

My kids laughed...but then, I'm probably the reason they'll need therapy

Peta is just an outlet for vegans who think it's totally sweet to push views on others.

The fact that most of these people hate organized religion because it forces views on others is irrelavent.

Great point Luke, obvious but not mentioned before.

And also those that reject religion only to follow what they call 'logical' science. Now I'm not denying that it is logical, but the only reason they follow it is faith, exactly the same as religion. Next time someone says 'Creationism is bollocks, Evolution is where it's at.' get them to prove it.

I have my (partially) own views on Evolution, I don't believe it's survival of the fittest I believe it's selection of the fittest. The person that you're more likely to pro-create with, via physical attraction, 2 year relationship ('love') or 'til death do us part' love, is the person that would best fit your genetics to create succesful offspring. You find people undesirable because they just wouldn't fit with you to create the next generation.

Not necessarily ugly, but undesirable.

There's an anti abortion group that uses a similar technique - they'll hand out comicbooks to little kids outside elementary schools showing the abortion process. The last page shows the abortion doctor putting a gun in his mouth and blowing his head off.

IMO kids do not need to be exposed to imagery like this. If one of these guys gave one to my kid I'd sue the shit out of 'em.

Just curious, but what do you mean by that?


EDIT: And I think that this is a really stupid move by peta (another in a long line). If I was a supporter of their aims, I'd be pretty angry at them for acting in such an absurd manner.

It's quite simple. Looks at virus mutations - penicillin used to be the wonder drug and now it's effects are vastly reduced, due to those strains of certain viruses that were resilient to it's effects. Just apply that on a mammalian scale and viola - evolution.

See, the difference between evolution and creationism is that there are MOUNDS of evidence pointing toward evolution and the only real evidence we have for creationism is the bible, which was written by a bunch of guys who told people they talked to god. But we have no proof that they actually talked to god.

I pissed those guys off once while they were on my campus with this booth that had a video playing of how they kill animals. i stood there watching the chickens drown while eating chicken (granted it was hard to do) but the look of complete horror on their face was well worth the slightly upset stomach.

By doing this crazy shit they get a lot of free publicity and 1000's of people talking about them for doing crazy shit. Sure their target audience is really that 1 in 1000 who is crazy/ignorant enough to join up but my guess is it works.

Peta is one of those groups best ignored.

Peta is fighting a losing battle. The kids raised on "first person shooter" video games will find this comic rather mild and silly. Reminds me of the "Unicef Bonbs Smurf" thread not so long ago.

Here on my university campus they don't hand out comic books...no, they put up huge photographs in the quad of aborted fetuses alongside Holocaust victims, and announce that abortion=Holocaust. Granted, there is a warning outside of the quad about the graphic photos, but as it is a main traffic path through the university, it's rather hard to get around. There's also another group around here that on every anniversary of Roe v. Wade they put hundreds of white crosses in the quad's lawn. That also annoys me--I can't help but think what they're doing to our lawn. Ugh.

From the linked site.

That is the most misleading piece of propaganda I have ever seen.

In function, fish nerves are the same as human or chimpanzee or crab or lion nerves. Or the ones in earthworms, for that matter.

Wow, an earthworm must be an intelligent creature with a personality that feels pain, just like us!

Or maybe a dendrite is a dendrite is a dendrite.

A fish brain is little more than a glorified hypothalamus. In fact, a fish brain is the least complex brain in the animal kingdom that can still be classified as such (discounting the neural nets seen in animals like crustaceans). A fish has a large cerebellum and visual cortex in relation to the rest of it's brain and a very small cerebrum (commonly called the 'forebrain'). A fish doesn't even have a cerebral cortex. A fish is not capable of complex thought. The parts of the brain necessary for such are simply not there.

A fish is much closer to a very complicated machine than a thinking creature. It responds to stimuli and uses encoded behaviour to form a complex behavioural pattern. In that sense, a fish does not feel pain the same way we do at all, except how we do in a reflex reaction. You touch a hot stove, your hand moves away. You don't have to think about it, you don't even actually feel pain - your body takes a stimulus and formulates a response, entirely without conscious input on your part. This is how a fish goes about it's daily life.

The human body is designed in such a way so as to require amino acids that are very difficult to acquire from plants. We are herbivores, whether we were designed as such by an intelligent higher power or we simply evolved into it. And frankly, if it's a question of a fish's well-being over that of a human, I'll kill a thousand fish for one man.

Yeah the group I mentioned does the same thing. They set up on the college campus in the morning with the signs (most of which are photochopped) where they and bored college students have a good time making mutual asses of each other. Then in the afternoon they put the signs away, pull out the comic books, and head for the elementary school in time for dismissal.

anyone know what to do with a bunch of cats with 5MM pellet holes in them???? they take way to much Bar-B-Q sauce...:D

I hope they don't come to south Texas and try to tell one of these guys not to catch
a giant red in the Laguna Magre....

Me - I eat fish, beef, venison, and multiple other edible beasties. I have hunted and fished. I've killed, cleaned, and butchered the the critter's myself. I have a sheepshin and a fur coat that I relish wearing in hopes that I will offend a PETA supporter. I care for animals but people who go to this kind of extreme irritate me so much that I can't resist flaunting things like that.

Oh and what's up with the evolution/creationism debate HERE? I thought this thread was about a underhanded PETA ad?

That was pure gold. I would have enjoyed that so much.

http://pronature.on.ca/Images/Peta%20Cartoon.jpg
http://www.coxandforkum.com/archives/BearHunt-X.gif

http://www.petakillsanimals.com/

Evolution was one example. But prove to me that the Earth orbits the Sun and not the other way round. (I believe it does, but I want proof nonetheless).

Have you ever seen resistance to penicillin happen? Now I don't know if you're a doctor, or a nurse, or so on. But if you were not then the only way I could imagine that you come to that conclusion is because someone told you.

I want proof that the Earth orbits the Sun, and I will not accept 'so and so said this' because in that case, 'Abraham said this, Moses said that'. It's the same thing.

From the literature that I saw on the subject, since PETA is a non profit organization all of their records are public domain, and can be viewed by anyone with an interest.

These numbers are just for example since I don't remember the exact numbers, but:

PETA takes in 80,000 cats and dogs per year, strays, owners don't want, etc etc.

More than 50% of those cats and dogs taken in, will be Euthanized (if I spelled that right).

In otherwords. They kill them.

But you need to find out WHY they euthanized them before you use that figure to attack them. Often times it IS much more humane to euthanize an animal than to let it suffer. I'm not a fan of PETA myself because they're a load of bloody loonies, so it'd be ashame to weaken the position against them by attacking them for doing something right for once ;)

Nonono, the leader of PETA, Ingrid is her name.

She says she wants animals to have the same rights as humans do. Humans do not have the right to be put into a sleep, and then pass in their sleep.

You can't have a HARD left side stance on "Killing animals is wrong, no exceptions" and actually kill animals yourself.

i think we can safely say that earthworms and / or fish don't have personalities in the way human persons do and that they can't experience psychological or emotional pain, but they would find some experiences physically undesirable, which, due to their biology, would compel them to avoid those experiences, in the same way a newborn human infant would recoil from such experiences.

so the question is whether human satisfaction should outweigh physically undesirable experiences of non-persons. or at least earthworms and fish. but we would still draw the line somewhere, and for most people, that line is arbitrary. for example, you might be ok with slaughtering 10 million cows to satisfy human desires but not 10 million dogs...?

Find a tennis ball. Drop it. Then find a bowling ball, and drop that. Notice how they both fall towards the centre of the Earth, and at the same rate? That's gravity, and she's a harsh mistress.

The Earth is indeed round, as can be seen in photographic evidence here and due to the fact that if you climb a large hill, you cannot see yourself. The sun, if you'll care to look at it (with the proper protection, of course) is also round. As well as round, it's a big fiery ball of cosmic death, many times greater than the Earth. Next time there's a solar eclipse, note how the moon (which is small and close, and has been landed on) overshadows the sun. Hence, due to simple reality, the Sun's mass would be far greater than that of our little watery home.

To put it simply, Earth is falling towards the sun. As there's no air resistance or outside forces, and because we're not headed directly towards it (throw a ball horizontally, it still is pulled towards the ground in an arc) we continue falling.

Errr... I think that's a pamphlet that I'm going to try to avoid.

I'll write the next edition: Your Mommy Kills Plants!

You're being rather silly don't you think? Acting as though the statements of thousands of peer-reviewed scientists, who's methods and reasoning were made available for scrutiny, is no more trust worthy than the word of people 2,000 years ago who claimed an invisible man came down and told them stuff? And of course we have to take into account the fact that the stuff this invisible guy told them was handed down mainly by word of mouth for 1,450 years (and that's just the new testament. The old testament was told orally even longer) until Mr. Gutenberg invented the printing press so people could get hold of bibles.

Ever play a game of telephone? If you can't get the same message passed down through 25 people, how the hell are people supposed to keep the message intact for over a millenium?

If you're making a serious argument here, you need to rethink your position.

If you're being facetious then it's too transparent.

Welcome to my world. Their world HQ is here in Norfolk, VA. Parked across the river is the retired battleship USS Wisconsin. If they could just point their 16 inchers at the building and fire a broadside into it...

And while we're bullshitting, so is Pat Robertson, the 700 club and CBN.

-Mikey

That's not what I'm arguing. Just that their comment that their claim that the nervous systems of fish is misleading, if not outright wrong. It shares similarities, but so do the nervous systems of all animals.

i go by level of intelligence. We are (so far as we know) the most intelligent form of life on Earth. High levels of intelligence are evident in other forms of mammals, who have a similarly enlarged cerebral cortex. A dog has a primitive cerebral cortex and since MRI scans and physiological evidence leads us to believe that this is the area of the brain responsible for cognitive thought and intelligence, it can be reaonably theorized that a dog has a rudimentary intelligence.

A fish, on the other hand, doesn't have a cerebral cortex at all. It has a cerebrum, which may be viewed as a precursor to a cerebral cortex, but even that is small and undeveloped. From this it can be conjectured that a fish doesn't feel pain. And an earthworm doesn't even have a brain. It has what's referred to as a cerebral ganglion, which is just a small cluster of nerves responsible for reacting to stimuli. Despite the name, this ganglion is much closer to clusters of nerves in our spinal column in structure than it is to a brain. Neither of these animals is capable of thought; they simply react to stimuli. Given that, it can be concluded that neither animal is capable of suffering. They can 'feel pain' only insofar as they can react to negative stimuli.

There are plants that are capable of the same thing. Is it cruel to cut a flower just because it can move towards sunlight?

If you want to discuss the ethics of slaughtering cattle (or any other mammals) vs. killing dogs and cats, you're right; that line is completely arbitrary. A cow, with a rudimentary brain is capable of rudimentary thought and therefore capable of suffering. You could make a case that a cow may very well feel pain in exactly the way we do (note that being capable of thought is in no way the same thing as being sentient; none of these animals would pass a Turing test). So that's a bit muddier.Hell, even birds. Next to mammals they have the most developed cerebrum and therefore may have the capacity to experience pain like ours. But fish? The necessary physical components just aren't there.

In case you couldn't tell, I am not a 'save the critters' kinda guy.

EDIT - and your comparison with human babies is inaccurate. A human infant has a well developed brain in terms of the components, even though the neural pathways haven't yet been established. Infants learn at an incredibly fast rate and start learning even before birth. We can't say that a human infant is capable of complex thought, but we can't rule the possiblity out either.

Daddy is killing that fish to eat for dinner. They could have taken the money they spent on that stupid comic and donated it to a national wildlife refuge (like I do every year). Morons.

Sigh. They never stop.

I have an urge to go fishing and hunting as well....

NOOOOOOOO! I eat meat because I love plants!!!

I don't think 'herbivore' is the word you're looking for, Martian. ;) Omnivores - meat and plants. That's us. Don't put big words into PETA's mouths! :D

I used to date a vet for a little while, and on the subject of what we're designed to eat, of course she'd done comparative anatomy. She used to say that when her vegetarian friends would come out with, "But we're only designed to be vegetarians," she could immediately tell them what general features herbivores have, what general features carnivores have, and what features omnivores have, and deduce from that that we're omnivores.

I did that experiment in 9th grade biology class. I was patient and persistant enough that my teacher had to kill mine with bleach. What could possibly go wrong with a bunch of high-school kids breeding supergerms?

They have for a while been telling children that. I saw someone say that once to a kid in midtown (NYC), and I went over and tried conversing with the woman, trying to explain how you should not say that to a 5 yr old about her parents. Of course the woman did not understand at all. I once had a real estate agent say to my co-worker, during work, that she is lucky that she does not throw blood on her.

PETA's such a joke. Who *are* these people?

I do beg to differ. Granted, some fish given bricks a run for their money in the stupidity department, but there are many many species out there that have personalities and induvidual quirks on rival to many cats and dogs i know.
Fish will move away from pain sources, and can easily be taught simple rememberance tasks that some humans would have trouble with (e.g. being fed at the same spot each day at the same time, and being there exactly when you go to feed them).
We are not herbivores by any strech of the imagination. The human body is omnivorous. We lack many of the vital elements to properly digest tough plant structures. Yes we may still be able to utilise a large proportion of plant life, but a quick look at your teeth will give a sneak peak into our meat eating ancestry through our canines.

A human life is worth considerably more than a fish (though i can think of exceptions to this rule...), that i will agree with.

AHAH!

There lies an excellent ethical question:

How many fish are you willing to see slaughtered and disposed of (not eaten, not processed; just needlessly killed) to prevent the death of one person?

How many fish are you willing to see slaughtered and disposed of (not eaten, not processed; just needlessly killed) to prevent harm done to one person?

My opinion? Not quite sure, but it would have to be in the millions, and I would want assurance that the ecosystem would be able to recover. If all of the fish were killed to keep someone alive... I don't know.

Is a pedophile's life worth more than a goldfish?

How about Saddam Hussein vs. Atlantic Carp?

PETA really does alarm me. Frankly, I love the fact that people have opinions that differ from mine. I enjoy debate, and therefore would be sad if everyone agreed with everything I said. There comes a point, however, both to the far left and far right that people stop offering me amusing banter and begin to scare me a little. PETA is a group of such people.

Some of y'all might already know this little fact, but one of the PETA directors, Mary Beth Sweetland, is an insulin dependent diabetic - even though PETA believes insulin should be banned.

What is her stance? She concedes that, "(my medicine) still contains some animal products -- and I have no qualms about it…. I don’t see myself as a hypocrite. I need my life to fight for the rights of animals.”

That's worse than Senator Diane Feinstein, in her anti-handgun zeal, owning and carrying a handgun for personal protection - also true.

For what it's worth, PETA says that they euthanize animals because death is better than slavery. They contend that animals kept as pets are slaves and are better off being killed (which they were doing illegally) than being kept as pets.

For what it's worth, PETA also demonstrates outside animal clinics that euthanize animals, stating that any killing of animals is wrong, while demonizing the vets who care more for animals than they ever would.

Sorry, PETA = whack.

Oh, I don't disagree that they are whacky. I was just trying to explain the "logic" that they use to explain why they kill the animals that they do.

I always found PETA commercials funny. I never supported what they said but I do love that cat nuetering commmercial

Actually, you don't. The topic speaks a lot for itself. Just like those that stand outside of a doctors office waiting to kill those that are part of an abortion :rolleyes: - irony is funny that way. Not to say that children=cats, but it is PETA we're talking about. These are the same people that throw ANIMAL blood on other people! :eek: