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*Nikki* · 08-12-2005, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Ustwo

And the article was a typical political hit piece since it tries to tie the tenuous science into Blair-Bush.

While the artcile might not be entirely "science" it was written at a level where people who might not understand the "scienctific" version could understand what was happening to our world.

I don't see why the context of the article matters, it is the information that it provides.

Ustwo · 08-12-2005, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by *Nikki*

While the artcile might not be entirely "science" it was written at a level where people who might not understand the "scienctific" version could understand what was happening to our world.

I don't see why the context of the article matters, it is the information that it provides.

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Tony Juniper, director of Friends of the Earth, said the finding was a stark message to politicians to take concerted action on climate change. "We knew at some point we'd get these feedbacks happening that exacerbate global warming, but this could lead to a massive injection of greenhouse gases.

"If we don't take action very soon, we could unleash runaway global warming that will be beyond our control and it will lead to social, economic and environmental devastation worldwide," he said. "There's still time to take action, but not much.

This person isn't a scientist involved in the study, but is quoted in the guardian as part of their hit piece. This is why its bullshit. Its a tainted source and they were leading all of you up to a conclusion.

This is what the real scientists involved said.

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Kirpotin describes an "ecological landslide that is probably irreversible and is undoubtedly connected to climatic warming". He says that the entire western Siberian sub-Arctic region has begun to melt, and this "has all happened in the last three or four years".

If I may be crude thats a HUGE fucking difference don't you think?

I started being interested in environmental research since I was in 7th grade, my first science project was on acid rains effects on Annelida at age 12. Sadly I didn't know how much utter and total bullshit was in the environmental movement until I started to study it at the university level. It didn't stop me from graduating in the field, but it really soured me to the motivations and honesty of the people involved.

jwoody · 08-12-2005, 07:30 AM

I was looking for a something to back up my point of view, that humans already have the ability to survive extreme high/low temperatures when I found this article about a blind man running across 200km of desert.

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The 53-year-old Duffield man and his four team mates have become the first group to run non-stop across the desert.

They completed the distance of 200km in 78 hours.

Now Mr Hilton-Barber says he is hobbling like a crippled tarantula.

Yes, Mr Hilton-Barber is an Australian.

08-12-2005, 07:34 AM

A brief note on the 'cost' of Kyoto and other attempts at controlling emissions. The truth of the matter is that there is no real cost at all. In order to meet the objectives of the treaty, development work is done to produce more efficient machinery and equipment bringing with it continuing and focused technology improvements. Old, inefficient (read expensive) machinery is replaced with new, cheaper, cleaner versions, bringing cost-savings and revitalisation. Then there are all the new jobs created for the scientists, developers, managers, architects, planners, administrators, accountants, machinists, assemblers, delivery drivers, maintenance guys, construction workers...and the list goes on.

Not to mention the huge trade benefits that are there to be reaped by being at the forefront of producing high-grade, efficient, environmentally sound equipment and technology and shipping it overseas. Without gearing up for the improvements that the world is looking for, a nation not actively involved in producing cleaner, better, more advanced technology will start to slip by the wayside.

In my mind, Kyoto is an opportunity that would be foolish to miss. It is going to allow the countries that are involved in it to invest heavily in emerging technologies, nurturing new industries that are going to be the multi-nationals of tomorrow.

With the disturbing news that tecoyah posts, its all the more important for us to improve our technologies in order to cope with the up and coming challenges. I'm sure we can do it, and that we can do it whilst giving our economies a worthwhile, sustainable and technological boost of investment. If there are those who wish to cling to the sinking ship of old technology as it goes down, then let them sink.

There isn't much we can do to stop global warming if it has already started, but we must try to learn about the causes as much as possible, and in addition, prepare ourselves technologically for what could be a very difficult time. We are going to need the most efficient tools to survive should the worst happen, it seems reasonable to try to develop those now, since they are going to be useful to us whether global warming happens or not.

Aladdin Sane · 08-12-2005, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Daoust

I don't feel sorry for anybody. As a firm believer in evolution, I don't really feel concerned for anybody else but me. My survival is all that really matters. Once I die, and my carcass rots, what happens to the world or the environment, or you, holds no meaning to me. If humans all die, that's no big deal, that's just part of the plan. We'll evolve from amoeba's again in a few million years anyway, right?

Hot Damn! Finally, someone gets it.
The "environmentalists" certainly don't.

Mankind is just a parasite on Mother Earth's ass. She'll expel us and then continue on her merry way. All this Chicken Little drama is only for those who believe in ghosts, gods, goblins and spirits. It's time to get real and realize that humans were never nothing more than a cosmic blunder, and nature has it's own ways of taking care of it's blunders.

hulk · 08-12-2005, 09:34 PM

Well, Aladdin, feel free to remove yourself from the gene pool in your own merry way.

Astrocloud · 08-13-2005, 10:06 AM

Sorry, my political point of view refuses to acknowledge such events as real.

Carry On!

08-12-2005, 07:34 AM	#44 (permalink)
zen_tom Guest	A brief note on the 'cost' of Kyoto and other attempts at controlling emissions. The truth of the matter is that there is no real cost at all. In order to meet the objectives of the treaty, development work is done to produce more efficient machinery and equipment bringing with it continuing and focused technology improvements. Old, inefficient (read expensive) machinery is replaced with new, cheaper, cleaner versions, bringing cost-savings and revitalisation. Then there are all the new jobs created for the scientists, developers, managers, architects, planners, administrators, accountants, machinists, assemblers, delivery drivers, maintenance guys, construction workers...and the list goes on. Not to mention the huge trade benefits that are there to be reaped by being at the forefront of producing high-grade, efficient, environmentally sound equipment and technology and shipping it overseas. Without gearing up for the improvements that the world is looking for, a nation not actively involved in producing cleaner, better, more advanced technology will start to slip by the wayside. In my mind, Kyoto is an opportunity that would be foolish to miss. It is going to allow the countries that are involved in it to invest heavily in emerging technologies, nurturing new industries that are going to be the multi-nationals of tomorrow. With the disturbing news that tecoyah posts, its all the more important for us to improve our technologies in order to cope with the up and coming challenges. I'm sure we can do it, and that we can do it whilst giving our economies a worthwhile, sustainable and technological boost of investment. If there are those who wish to cling to the sinking ship of old technology as it goes down, then let them sink. There isn't much we can do to stop global warming if it has already started, but we must try to learn about the causes as much as possible, and in addition, prepare ourselves technologically for what could be a very difficult time. We are going to need the most efficient tools to survive should the worst happen, it seems reasonable to try to develop those now, since they are going to be useful to us whether global warming happens or not. Last edited by zen_tom; 08-12-2005 at 07:36 AM.. Reason: oops

08-12-2005, 09:34 PM	#46 (permalink)
hulk C'mon, just blow it. Location: Perth, Australia	Well, Aladdin, feel free to remove yourself from the gene pool in your own merry way. __________________ "'There's a tendency among the press to attribute the creation of a game to a single person,' says Warren Spector, creator of Thief and Deus Ex." -- From an IGN game review.

08-13-2005, 10:06 AM	#47 (permalink)
Astrocloud Apocalypse Nerd	Sorry, my political point of view refuses to acknowledge such events as real. Carry On!