Do a good deed, get sued!
 

I was browsing Yahoo! News today and came across this from Reuters:

Colorado Teens Fined for Giving Cookies to Neighbors

While reading this, I just kept waiting for the "something else." As in, there must be something else going on here, maybe the neighbor and the girls often butted head... something! But according to what is here in the article, apparently there isn't a "something else," apparently you can do a good deed and be sued for it.

And 10:30 is late for them to be out? The girls were 17 and 18 at the time and Colorado curfew law is midnight for anyone under 18, so they weren't breaking any curfew laws by being out at that time. And what is the judge trying to say here, that had it been at an earlier time he would not have held a judgement against them?

This just furthers the thought that you can't be nice for fear there will be repercussions. :(

some people are just big cry-babies, if i was the judge i would order the lady to bake the kids a batch of cookies


i have a feeling, that lady is really gonna get some heat from this... expecially with her name published...

That'll teach 'em.

Welcome to today, land of shit that shouldnt be.

Enjoy your stay.

It seems like the lady actually SAW them run off after leaving the cookies at her front
doorstep and she still flipped out. You would think after seeing cookies on the ground
would calm you down a little bit, and the fact that you would probably know these
girls (what out-of-town stranger leaves cookies at your doorstep?)

I think it's just a little selfish on the woman's part. People will do anything for money
these days it seems.

That is the stupidest court rulling I have EVER heard of! All that did was show the girls that they should have gone out drinking underage and causing trouble rather than being kind to their neighbors! The girls didn't break any laws. 10:30 was not too late for 17 and 18 year olds to be out, and they most likely wouldn't have left her cookies if they had known the lady would be distressed from a random act of kindness. When acts of kindness cause fear and distress, it's a sign that a lot needs to change in this world, starting with the rulling getting reversed, the lady getting some thearapy, and the judge getting fired.

Jesus, that is so screwed up...

lawsuit aside, you shouldn't be knocking on anybody's door at 10:30pm that isn't expecting you.

If my kids got this idea, I would applaud them. But they aren't going to go running around the neighborhood, late at night, knocking on anyone's door.

What were the parent's thinking?

/the cursing and drinking thing is a red herring - has nothing to do with the issue at hand other than try to elicit an emotion not relevant to the case

It's not showing a lot of sense on the part of the teenagers.

maybe I live in a much more cynical world than rural Colorado, but if someone were to knock on my door, when I wasn't expecting them, then leave a package, that I wasn't expecting to get, and then they run off? I'd be calling the police, then and there.

Who actually bakes cookies and delivers them to neighbors at night? Where's the common sense? And why ring the bell and run off? Did they actually think someone would eat the cookies baked left by a stranger? Most people would have just tossed out the cookies.

And then we wonder why people are hesitant to get involved when someone needs help. I was appalled by the decision.

I agree that it was kinda stupid to knock on the door at 10:30 and then run away, but to get sued for it??????

EDIT: also, this was in rural Colorado, not NYC or LA or something..

I certainly would have been suspicious of a box left at my front door, that said "Have a Good Night, at 10:30 at night, from someone I don't know, and who was running from my place. I probably wouldn't have even opened the box because you just never know what could be in there. Yes, I would be thinking worse case senario only because there are some really f'ed up people out there.

This isn't to say that the punishment wasn't way too severe bordering on completely unnecessary. While suspicious in nature, they were simply doing something fun and beneficial. Under these terms, I could sue the next person who walks their dog past my house at night and the dog barks. I'll go to the hospital with a panic attack and sue.

I wouldn't have paid the fine. I would have appealed.

As someone who lives in rural Colorado, if you knock on a door at 10:30PM, you are likely to be greeted with a 12 gauge or a big dog. We call the police after the fact.
We've baked cookies for our neighbors, our neighbors have baked cookies for us. We do things like that during the day, however. Suing for emotional distress? What a crock of shit. Plently of stupidity on both sides here.

Really, Coloradoans aren't generally this stupid.

Just curious about what this statement makes about the sense of community that seems to have been lost in our society. Don't you think that 50 years ago, people wouldn't be suspicious of a random act of kindness?

50 years ago kids weren't going around knocking on doors at 10:30 pm so the argument is moot. Acceptable behavior was actually taught and enforced by the parents.

Most people wouldn't have gone any further than that, though. Yes, 10:30 is a bit late to be knocking on people's doors, but this woman took it entirely too far. The kids obviously weren't strangers, and there is the possibility that they left because the woman wouldn't come to the door, and she made an overstatement by saying that they ran off (obviously she's overreacting about everything else, so why not this detail). Maybe the kids could sue this woman for being a total asshole and waste of human life.

EDIT:

One thing we're failing to realize here is that these girls had to have known the woman, and vice versa. How else would she have known who they were (it was dark and they were running, according to her).

I completely agree with what you are saying, 10:30 at night is a bit late for someone to knock on your door when you aren't expecting them. But we were all teenagers once, sometimes you just don't think things through and you just do things that on second thought maybe aren't so smart. At least this was cookies and not something serious.

I also would have been calling the police if strangers left a package on my door, but when we got it all straight, it would have been something to laugh at and learn from, not something to sue someone over.

I know that lawyers are not all of the problem, but I blame them. I am baised. I guess it's the system. Waste time and money, the courts do!

I'm with some of the other posters here. If someone leaves cookies on my doorstep and runs off, I'm not gonna eat them and be all cheery. I'd think that the cookies would have poison, or been made with dirt, or with "special" chocolate chips(courtesy of their dog). Maybe I'm slightly paranoid, or maybe that's just the way society made me. I think if the girls had stayed until I showed up and handed the cookies to me, I'd be a little less skeptical.

This thing happened during the summer, so it was probably only dark for an hour at 10:30. That's not exactly middle of the night antics. I think the whole situation is stupid. The lady overreacted and the kids picked the wrong time of day to do that.

Well that's flippin' brilliant of you.

This is small claims court. Lawyers generally aren't involved with such cases.

Sheesh.


Everyone loves to jump on the "let's hate the lawyers" bandwagon until they actually need one.

http://www.turbofi.sk/turbo/pic_02356.jpg
enough said.

so the cookies were dropped off at 10:30pm. the NEXT DAY the old lady goes to the ER... wtf?

someone explain this to me. thanks. :)

Were you looking over my shoulder? I was just about to type the same thing! ;)

I'm thinking that going to the doctor and subsequently suing the girls was a brilliant idea that was concocted with her friends or something along those lines. If she really thought she was having a heart attack, why didn't she call an ambulance or at least go to the ER that night?

/smells something fishy

Well, this time she got cookies.

Guess what she'll be getting on her doorstep next time.....

This is fucking stupid. I live in a nice little neighborhood. Although I've only been here a little over a month, I know the vast majority of my neighbors. I probably wouldn't have eaten the cookies, but it wouldn't have sent me to the hospital. It's not like the two girls were complete strangers and she saw them drop the box off, right?

Going out at 10:30 and knocking on doors is pretty stupid. Nearly $900 stupid? Apparently.

The judge should've reprimanded the girls for being out late. He should've then told the lady to walk it off as she's a big girl now and this is not how big girls properly function in civilized society. He then should've ordered her to have a stiff drink occasionally to prevent stupid shit like this happening again.

The girls should buy her $900 worth of (prepackaged) cookies.

Not exactly valid, but it's funny (in my mind).

FYI

Cookie girls won't have to pay fine, Station raises money

In another artical it says the girls stated in the hearing that they ran away because the cookies were to be a surprise on the doorstep. A note was attached.

If it was in summer then I suppose in may have been one hour after dark on a weekend. This may not have seemed too late to the girls.

From the aforementioned news story.
When the courts fail to provide justice and reason, the crank callers step in. My heartfelt thanks go out to anyone and everyone who took a step to make Ms Young's life miserable. :thumbsup:

That's good...

Doubt she'll sue the girls for moving costs.. but she'll definitely have thought about it.

The girls did something stupid, but not $900 worth of stupid. I'm glad they won't have to pay. In the article it said they (the girls) offered to pay for medical costs, but the lady wanted to take them to small claims court. To get more money out of them, I suppose. That just cut any sympathy I had for the lady.

"The victory wasn't sweet," Young said. "I'm not gloating about it. I just hope the girls learned a lesson."

A lesson?

I hate that woman.

WHAT LESSON?!?!?!

Not to do good deeds? Don't be nice to your neighbors?

VitaminH MAD!!!! GRR!

First of all, I just have to ask: what the fuck is wrong with people? These were cookies for crying out loud! And on top of that (and I know this may seem like a snipe on women, but I assure you it isn't) she has a husband! If she was that damned scared, why didn't she ask him to go check it out?

And no shit it has turned into a fiasco, by your own choosing!

The judge should have thrown out the case from the beginning. It's one of the stupidest cases I've ever heard of. If the girls offered to pay for the medical bills but she insisted on trying to make a buck on her sob story by taking them to court and is now getting threats and harrassment, she only brought it on herself. A true case of karma biting her in the butt.

Oh my word - I can't believe this is real? I can't imagine someone being so selfish, self-righteous, and stupid! I must agree with the other's here - the girls shouldn't have just run off. YET the woman obviously knew who it was in the first place so that should have eliminated almost all anxiety there. Once the judge found out that the girls had offered to pay for medical services out of court he should have dumped the case. I'm glad that other pitched in to show the girls that their good deeds won't get crapped on all the time. It's worth the try to do something good for a friend or neighbor and take the chance.

I almost feel sorry for this woman. Instead of the stress of going to court (if her emotions were so fragile that the girls caused her an xiety attack then a court hearing couldn't have been easier on her heart), instead of all the prank calls, loosing the friend she had in neighbors, possibly moving to avoid the negative responses from people in the town and neighbor hood this woman could have smiled, enjoyed a plate of cookies, and thanked the young bakers for the ingenuity, and thoughtfulness. She's missing out on something special. I hope it doesn't sour these girls against doing thoughtful things in the future.

After reading the second article, I've got the sneaking suspicion maybe the lady and her husband are just 'bad eggs.' At least, that's what my grandmother used to call them. Took the gals to court just because she wanted to and one of the girl's fathers had to take out a restraining order on the lady's husband. They should be mocked unmercifully.

Good. I believe Tom Petty said it best, "...don't come around here no more."


I still hope she gets a flaming, big, bad bag of dogshit dropped on her derserving doorstep (alliteration can be fun ;) )

ok, as much as I agree that she knew the neighbors, and the neighborhood seems very very safe at 10:30 even in my parents neighborhood if you left something on my porch that I didnt let you borrow, or ask for.....or stay till I opened the door... I would be pretty pissed and if I saw you I would probably have gone to get their parents. I know 10:30 isnt LATE by any means, but they KNEW the lady was elderly and to most people that have families and the elderly 10:30 is late. This shows very little thought and responsibility on the girls half and even LESS responsibility and supervision on the parents half. Even now if I leave the house.. I cant get to the car without my Mom or Dad opening the door or their bedroom window to ask where Im going.. or if theyre asleep, I get a phone call because they heard the door open. I dont know that I agree the punishment fits the crime, but the girls should have known better. There are people in my parents neighborhood that I wouldnt even bother after about 8pm. I know their intentions were good, but they knew the lady was elderly, and 10:30 isnt late but by 9pm most business are closed and in rural areas by 9 damn near everything is shut down.. so they should have known.

Anybody here ever seen "Boondock Saints???" Let's do that to her. I get to be el Duce!!!

I think we, as the human race, should get a restraining order against these kind of people. They should be put on an island by themselves so that they can't interact with and be assholes to everybody else.

None of this has explained how she knew it was them without knowing who they were while they were running off. What a lying sack of shit.

My stomach hurts and I'm shaking from reading this, maybe I'll sue her now. To quote "Friday," "I want a hundred and fifty THOUSAND!"

Elderly? She's 49. Probably close to the age of the girls' parents. She brought all of this on herself.

Since this a thread about excessive punishment, it seems ironic that you would want to do the same to this woman. No need to get all Boondock Saints on anyone. ;)

It has all been said but this case deserves endless comments.

First of all, I don't even answer the phone after 9 and I would be pissed if someone rang my doorbell that late. I just have to get up too early. I would not open the door either. But I would sleep just fine and if I had an upset stomach the next morning I certainly would not associate it with the previous nights events.

This woman is a real piece of work. She makes me question the future of humanity. The fact that this is the dumbest lawsuit I have ever heard of should have been enough to get it kicked out of court. The fact she did not go to the ER until the next day should make it clear she was full of it. Clearly she was just being greedy when she refused to let the girls cover her unnecessary expenses.

But the best part is that her husband has been harrasing the girls and their families. I can not believe that they could not turn that into a lawsuit to recoup their losses in the first case.

I hope the woman and her husband are run off the planet.

That's the last time those girls will ever do anything nice for anyone. At least for a while. Sad.

There are people like this crab in every neighborhood. Happy ending? Karmic justice? Maybe.
The girls didn't have to pay due to others' generosity...their good deed comes home. I'm glad to see that people rallied to help out the young girls.
Battleaxe's life is in upheaval, she's unhappy...her crap came right home too. If she hasn't learned anything, then she'll spread that attitude somewhere else.

THEY FUCKIGN OFFERED TO PAY HER MEDICAL EXPENSES, AND SHE TOOK THEM TO COURT ANYWAY!! What the FUCK is wrong with some people??? And 49 is NOT fucking elderly. My MOM is nearing 49, and I'm 24 next month.

AND WHAT LESSON???!?!?!? There's not enough cursing I can do in this thread to express my frustration and anger at the stupidity of this woman.

Also, I'm very glad that someone (the radio station) stepped in to uphold common sense and help out these two girls. Hell, I'd donate money just to teach that stupid bitch a lesson in being a decent fucking human being.

Yes, but would it work? Would the woman learn a lesson? Sadly, no, she would just victimize herself all over again.

Regardless of how unfortunate the circumstances get for the girls it is only through their actions that this entire situation exists. I'm not doubting the fact that this woman and her husband are sour apples who took things a bit too far but none of us where there and we haven't a clue as to what actually went on. There's no point in speculating about this woman's character and the validity of her claims when there's the conclusion of a court of law for us to go on.

It's an unfortunate situation but it's not the place of our court system to completely disregard the rights of people because of the intentions of others.

if I posted what i felt about this it would probably just get deleted... so I wont... but the judge who gave this award has brought great humiliation on his office and his court, it is just utterly amazing that such a decision could be made.

I am glad at least that the radio station stepped in to pay the girls fines.

Sometimes I can't believe the behavior of people.... First of all, 49 isn't very elderly, and she had a husband. Being in Colorado... well, I'm not even going to go into that...

But, still. These girls offered to pay near $900 in medical costs for the woman who was apparently so scared that she had to go to the ER (GASP! someone's left cookies on my doorstep with paper hearts and the signatures of a couple neighborhood girls that I know!!! SOMEONE HAS IT IN FOR ME!!! THE APOCOLYPSE IS NIGH!!!)... and yet she took them to court ANYWAY! This just screams at me "lawsuit for personal gain, spite the suffering and goodwill of the people!"... really, it's sad what people will try to do in order to get a few extra bucks these days. It really teaches everyone the lesson that no matter what you do, no matter what your intentions, someone will always be standing by to see how they can profit from your tiniest flaws.

... I think this woman deserves whatever she gets, and hopefully she'll move her filthy deeds somewhere that I don't have to worry about getting sued for honking at her while she jaywalks in front of me... (hearing loss! emotional damages!!)

w@3n$ch.

But who would eat cookies that they found on their doorstep? What if they are Ex-Lax chip cookies?

Their actions say they were willing to pay the woman's medical bills regardless of how responsible they may have felt for the bills. To me the situation should have been left there and never gone to court.


The court should not have allowed this woman to railroad the girls and charge them for court costs when she just as well could have gotten the medical bills paid WITHOUT the court costs. Because of the woman's lack of cooperation with the girls I don't believe that she should have been awarded the money. It reflects an unforgiving, spiteful, and possibly greedy attitude. Why else would she have taken the girls to court when they were willing to make things right in the first place?

And INTENTIONS play a large part in our courts. The question of whether harm was INTENDED to a person can mean more to a judgement than what specific harm was done.

Edit:typo

I never said the punnishment fit the crime. I said the girls and their parents were showing a SEVERE LACK of responsibility on their behalf. Granted she isnt "elderly" but she is older, and has a family. Many people I know that have families or a career are at home and in bed by 9 or 10, these people are also 30 and up so I dont find it so weird. Hell by 9pm my parents are at least in their bedroom if not already asleep, by 10:30 my Dad would have met you with a shotgun. Those girls would have had 2 lead sammiches and a side of steel. I dont agree that they were forced to pay her medical bill and court costs, but they should have known better.

http://www.dailybreeze.com/news/nati...s/1229527.html

The girls wrote letters of apology to Young, with Taylor saying in part, "I just wanted you to know that someone cared about you and your family."

The families had offered to pay Young's medical bills if she would agree to indemnify the families against future claims. Young wouldn't sign the agreement. She said the families' apologies rang false and weren't delivered in person, so she brought the matter to court.

you know what, fuck this lady.. hardcore. Shes just after money, and I dont care that she'll have to move.. GOOD one less pest in the neighborhood. The families offered to handle this like civil human beings without dragging it to court. I thought that the lady had just been a little crazy and taken it straight to court. The girls probably didnt come in person to deliver an apology because they were fearful. Writing a letter takes time and thought. A letter is much more heartfelt than an e mail or phone call. At first I thought the girls were out a bit late and had made a terrible judgement on when to be out. Now I cant say that I agree. The families agreed to pay her medical bills, yet she still took it to court to seek "punitive damages". From either article I cant see what punitive damages would need to be recouped.. but from the daily breeze article I cand DEFINATELY see shes just in it for the money. I wouldnt be shocked if she sought moving costs from the girls because of threats against her life.

This lady is dumb. I want to cart her off to an island with all the other dumb people.

I just noticed this phrase " She thought they were burglars or some neighbors she had tangled with in the past, she said."

Neighbors she'd tangled with? Was she living in a bad neighborhood or just didn't have a good relationship with her neighbors? Was she pissy with her other neighbors? Makes one wonder why she thought this.

Oh and "A kitchen light was on at Young's home." so there's no reason for them to have suspected that everyone was in bed.

Some people are ridiculous, young people can't get away from the tag line "causing disturbances". We do something nice, but it isn't good enough because some wacko is crazy in the head.

Ok, that ruling was absolute bullshit. It's clear the lady has extreme paranoia and shouldn't be part of society. If that lady had half a brain stem she should have called the police. But no. This lady is one of those that I would purposely through a restraining order wrapped around a brick through her window. And if anyone likes this post, you'll love this story (Anyone remembers it or can find the article since I am bound by dial up internet, post the link).

A man began choking in a restaurant (I believe it was an allergic reaction to food that closed his wind pipe) and a medical doctor saved his life by performing a tracheotomy with a steak knife and straw. This man had the gall to sue this doctor for a scar that was left on his neck. I say to hell with that scar. If I were that doctor, I would threaten to use that knife again.

If anyone thinks that people should get just what they deserve:
This thread died because many got tired of arguing with me... that and only one other person was for my plan. I warn you the idea posted is very controversial.

I can see a bunch of girl scouts daring each other to try and hit her up on cookie sales this year...

"Go ahead, it'll be fine. Don't be such a scaredy-cat."
"Screw you, Sally. You get her, I'm selling to Mr. Johnson."

Colorado has a curfew? I had no idea they still had curfews in the states. wtf is with that?

Dang, I'm only weeks away from being labeled elderly? I'm gonna have to use a walker to go skiing and put training wheels on my motorcycle. She's just a cranky lady, age doesn't have anything to do with it.

Yeah, and it sucked when I was in high school. I played tennis and when we made semi-state, if your parents couldn't attend the match, you couldn't play because in Indiana, it isn't enough to chaperoned by a teacher or coach. I was captain of my team and almost missed semi-state because my parents both have jobs and other children... imagine that. :rolleyes:

I use the term elderly loosely, she was acting like an old lady, Im gonna call her an old lady.

dont get me wrong, id be pissed if some bastard kids rang my doorbell and ran off at 10 30, but sueing them, thats a little ridiculous. i wonder if she ate the cookies...

I thought it was amusing, actually.

my dad is older than the lady.. and hes anything but elderly... senile.. but not elderly

I have to agree with Analog...WTF!

This should not have made it as far as it did. The judge should have said, "Fine - pay the med bills and get this piece of shit case off my docket"! Honestly, I'd be willing to bet that there is some bad blood between those involved, and that we don't know the full story on either side.

You weren't there when the girls dropped off the cookies. You weren't there to see the woman's reaction. You weren't there when the court was hearing the case.

You should feel free to have your opinions on this matter just as I do - as long as you aknowledge that they're irrelevant.

I'm not one for speculation but since the seems to be the name of the game, I'll play. Let's assume that these girls weren't the little sweet hearts they claimed to be. Judging by their actions (the delivering of cookies at a "late" hour and the "terrorizing" of an "elderly" woman) shouldn't we assume that these are the same sort of people who wouldn't pay the woman's medical bills? Who's to say the woman went to far? In regards to their character, what do we have to go on?

This is why I suggested we just go along with the decisions of the court.

I agree, it's certainly a nasty way to go about things but, realistically, the woman didn't do anything more than capitalize on an option the girls left open to her. Two wrongs don't make a right but this situation wouldn't exist were it not for the actions of those girls (and the evident negligence of their parents).

What about the possibility that the woman was effected exactly in the manner that she claims to have been? It's pretty obvious that the woman has worked pretty hard to facilitate all of this but what if it all went as she said it did? Should she be forced to pay her own medical bills for a situation she did nothing to create?

These circumstances demonstrate the difference between what "feels right" and what is true. Justice doesn't always conincide with our feelings and it's not the job of our court system to decide a ruiling on how a case feels. In the face of the relentless veracity of justice, our opinions and what "feels right" are irrelevant.

There has got to be more to this story.

here's some more: http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=493733&page=1

obviously, troit is right... there is more too this than everyone is assuming. when i read the original story, i pictured a normal suburban neighborhood with houses not even 30 feet apart, but that doesn't appear to be true. does this fact make the lady right? who knows... she obviously feels she did the right thing. while many of us wouldn't have taken the situation to such extremes or gotten so worked up over it, that doesn't mean this lady is completely wrong for what she did.

i still support the two girls because their actions were quite innocent, but i feel bad for judging the woman so harshly after filling in many of the story's holes myself and making large assumptions that were incorrect.

i think the most interesting part of this situation is how the media can take a point of view and lead their audience to make certain conclusions or take certain sides... the original story was certainly biased in favor of the two girls, and not coincidentally, so are nearly all of the replies in this thread.

Looks like the suing couple have had some problems.

More evidence of how this world is going crazy.

What we need is more people like these young girls who have community spirit , and less of the 'someone else should pay for this' culture.

Very very sad.

I am guessing this woman bought large quantities of plastic sheeting and duct tape in the not so distant past.

I have a word for that.

Ridonkulous.

See, they're cookies. They said "Have a great night". Not "I'm a creepy stalker dude who is making cyanide suicide cookies and wants you to join this crazy cult where we worship the inventor of bubble wrap. Eat them and be safe for eternity." NO! They didn't say that! "Have a great night."

If you manage to have a heart attack over that, you have bigger problems. Problems that $900 from a couple of goodwilled teenagers will not fix.

Once again, a slap from the common sense glove. Every judge should keep one on his desk, right beside the gavel.

How has this lady made it this far in life when all it takes is the ringing of a doorbell at 10:30 to send her to the ER? Simply amazing. With anxiety levels that high it shouldnt take long before she worries herself to death.. literally. hopefully she doesnt have any offspring.

If I were in the same situation id go back to the lady's house at 11:30.. ring the doorbell.. and set of some loud fireworks.. run. The problem would take care of itself. :)

http://www.durangoherald.com/news/05...s050205_1a.jpg

thats the stupid bitch lol.

im currently looking for her address to send her some cookies (nothing wrong with them, just homemade chocolate cookies)

Another Article...

ROFL -

in my opinion this women should be pelted with rotten fruit every time she steps into public for the next ten years.

is that too harsh?

And to say that she was only seeking payment of her medical bills is a lie. It is possible the girls didnt offer to pay the medical bills (as was widely publicized) but the simple and straightforward fact is that the suit sought puniative damges.

Because someone knocked on her door and left her some cookies. And as for all this climbing through ditches and over fences bullshit, are we seriously expected that these people crawl through a ditch every time they go to and from their house?

The woman also has a history of bringing stupid lawsuits... she is just a crook, trying to exploit a simple act of kindness. Luckily the girls did not suffer, because their fines were instantly paid by donations of normal citizens.

The women and the husband who brought the suit are scum. its that simple.

hang on!! theyve been robbed of their laughter , her spirit and soul has died ...I feel another law suit coming on :p

The cookies were probably missing some ingredient...stupid teenagers and their lack of cookie making skillz.

this lady probably had health insuance or something to that effect atleast25 - 50% GOT PAID SHE MADE ABOUT 400 PROFIT WOO HOO