Sweden - the Fag loving country.
 

In sweden they're just trying a new law againts discrimination of gay people. A preacher, Åke Green, deliberately expressed his diguste for homosexuals in public. He was condemned to 3 months of prison and now the case is up in a higher court. The funny part is that a baptist church in the states has involved themself in this question. And the way they do it, well it's funny!

http://www.godhatesfags.com/featured...al_family.html
http://www.godhatessweden.com/

:D

because the "godhatesfags.com" people are always a solid source of information for non-descrimatory information and level headed news.
:rolleyes:
bravo to sweden for taken the counter hard-nosed steps necessary to weed out the lesser evolved beings in their country.

He was arrested for expressing disgust?

There's a difference between having an opinion and discriminating based on that opinion. If you're going to protect unpopular populations, I think you have to be consistent and extend that protection to unpopular opinions of unpopular populations. (?) Repressing differences of opinion - no matter how ignorant they might be - doesn't do anybody any favors.

Wow, God hates a lot of places/people, huh? Kinda makes me wonder if all those passages in the New Testament about God loving everyone were typos.

Agreed. Hating homosexuals may be bigoted and ignorant, but he has every right to not like them. I dont agree with him, but arresting him for those views isnt any better.

Okay, I'm seriously not trying to be condescending or judgemental here. I just want somebody to explain to me how the people who run those websites can consider themselves true Christians.

I love finding new things that God hates. And they even provide games along with all thier information. If I can learn things and play games, this is the place for me! Sign me up to be a hateful, ignorant, narrow-minded, bigot!!!

IS it possible for people of religions to actually love everything?

I have no idea what god Fred Phelps worships, but He isn't the same one I worship.

I've seen the man on TV. I don't know how he got that way, but he is a raving, hating freak. He has several sons and daughters who are all stalwart members of his church and who, under his direction, got law degrees so that they can get him out of any mess that he gets himself into, free of charge. And also sue anybody and anything they want to, free of charge.

Amen Lebell. I am from a big traditional Lutheran family, and it is crap like this that makes even someone like me want to shun organized religion.

I will paraphrase Men in Black cause I can't find the actual quote
Tommy Lee Jones "A person is smart: People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals..."

It is fully allowed to hate and have opinions about watever in Sweden it's just not legal to try and agitate hatred against minority groups. He was sentenced because under several of his sermons he clearly spoke about how god hates homosexuals rousing his congregation to the same hatred.

As far as I've heard he even forbade homosexuals to join his congregation which is blatant discrimination by the letter of the law in Sweden.

In Sweden we have a law that prohibits agitation against a group of people be it foreginers, homosexuals or whatever. You are not allowed to try and make people act against a grouping of people. It's proved to be very effective against the more militant racist propaganda that litterd the society for a brief period.
Now it is tried on Gay-haters aswell.

Gee, what an abhorrent thread title. I was under the impression that kind of language (used in an insulting context) was frowned upon here. Then again, I'm new, and maybe I'm confused.

If someone can really be arrested and charged with a crime just for speaking their mind in Sweden, then I am doubly glad to be living in the USA instead.

As for the people behind sites like "godhatesfags.com", it's almost amusing that they are their own worst enemies. Any reasonable person who reads that drivel is going to be inclined to take the opposite stance from them just out of sheer disgust for the way they express themselves.

I don't think God hates, I think people hate. And name God as their reason for hating something.

Its amazing to me that every time I went to church, there was something new that God hated. And very little God loved other then blind obedience.

I don't think of God as a all powerful entity that I have to bow down and worship ( In truth, if I HAD to do it. then my faith would be forced and empty) I think of him as a father figure who advises me through life.

As for the being locked up for just stating your opinion. I'm glad I'm in the USA. But being an American isn't easy. It’s where someone can scream at the top of their lungs something that you would spend a lifetime defending at the top of yours. Sadly, not everyone has learned that it’s OK, to have a difference of opinion or that not everyone views the world the same way you do.

One meerly has to ask.

I considered that when I first saw the thread, but after clicking the links I see that the thread title is in line with the story, as "God Hates Fags" is the title of the Fred Phelps website.

Had it been used in any other context, action would have been taken.

-lebell

well, i'll just say that i'm still not happy to see it. i understand that it's in satire...but it's still a word that i am on the recieving end of way too often.

I just don't think it's okay to use casually.

This kinda makes a lot of sense. Sorta like the yelling "Fire" in a crowded movie theater thing.

God is love. "God hates" is BS.

"fags" is totally in context here. I have no problem with it.

This is all garbage. The priest got lock up for trying to incite his members of the congregation to go out and actually hurt people who even seemed gay. You should LEARN to read Swedish or not believe everything before getting the facts. :)

Also, where are your common sense: Take a look at the site that info comes from. It blames every natural disaster up to the WTC bombing on the gays. Please, look at the tacky scheme of the site, does it even looks like it would have ANY reliable source of information? Get with it , people. Post like this shouldn't exist.

http://www.godhatesfags.com/main/faq.html#Christian

Apparently, only Phelps' followers are true Christians. Everyone else is pathetic.

How can someone be so stupid? And how stupid have you to be to follow someone like this? If I would see that guy I would try to get in a fight with him and kick his ass real hard. I am sure god would not help him.

One afternoon I spent a few hours reading up on Fred Phelps.

It is a scary, sordid tale of a cultish family run church that is under the absolute control of Phelps.

I didn't save any of the webpages, but I'm sure if you googled "Fred Phelps" you can find them.

This lunatic fringe element is only worth knowing about in order to be aware that people like this actually exist and are trying to push their agendas.

There is nothing funny about HATE. It kills people and it's wrong.

As Christ said in the Bible, "Let him who is without sin cast the first stone."

Maybe only guys named Phelps are allowed to have impossible missions. ;)

And as to "God" not hating, has anyone actually read the old testament?

Frequently.

And I know for a fact that is where Phelps gets 99% of his ammunition.

But failing to understand the old testiment is no reason to claim that God "hates".

As a Christian, I look at the old testiment through the eyes of Jesus, who said "Love God with your whole heart and mind, and love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments all the law is based."

Thermopyle,

You have a large number of your facts wrong. I am sorry to say there is nothing new about Swedens anti-discrimination laws. Also... Ake didn't just express disgust .

I Looked up the story about why he was convicted and realised that you have probably only listened to the Baptist Church version of the truth.

I could post it all here but I have to admit I am offened by the whole premise of your thread. BUT.... it sure brings to light how disgusting the Fundamentalist agenda has really become.

They are only concerned with societal control... and they are willing to beat society into compliance.... They do not understand love.

I think God hates that people that made those web pages....

I am Disgusted by this thread!

Just to add to that...i attend a Jewish torah study...read the hebrew scriptures on their own...and there is plenty of mercy there. it reminds the reader that there are a lot of voices going in to scripture...some are divine, some are not. but i have found that the darkness is only all the more apparent as empty and with out power when it is placed near the light.

I know what you meant...but to be specific... I'm queer and Baptist. And i don't see any issue with being either. I don't much appricate it when people use hateful language against people for being queer, but i also don't appriciate it against Baptists, either. Not saying your words were hateful...but i hope you understand when i ask you to just let the people responsible for saying hate in the name of God be responsible.

So just as an example, "God" just "loved" the babies of Egypt to death?

Just because one loves a being with all their heart, it doesn't make it a "loving" being.

Precisely. Im not even religious and this irks me. Jesus preached the ultimate liberal values, and people like this get some convoluted, hypocritical desire to do the exact opposite and somehow believe that it is what Jesus would have wanted.

Ive said it before, and Ill say it again--zealots, of ANY and EVERY form are a bad thing.

No one knows exactly what happened in Egypt as Moses was trying to free the Israelites.

But the God I experience is a loving, merciful God.

"Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do."

Anyway, seems to me that you are trying to pick a fight over the issue.

Well, I'm very sorry if I have offended anyone here by using the word fag in the title. As most understand it's a quote from the "godhateseverybody.com"-page and used ironically here. As a non-american I didnt realize the word "fag" could be offending. The point of me posting this thread was curiosity. I was woundering what your reaction of both the law and of Phelps was. But I really dont understyand why some think this thread is disgusting.

And about the facts. No maybe I didnt get I all right but I know that this is the first time the law is "tested" and me and my freinds had had alot of discussions about it. Is freedom of speech above all hatred or should some things not to be allowed to express publicly?

Personally I think it should be illegal. Freedom of speech and freedom of religion are ok as long as they dont hurt individuals or groups indirect or direct.

So nobody should be allowed to say anything bad about anyone? Especially if they're telling the truth? Cause that could hurt someone.

Freedom of Speech, and I'll use the U.S.'s First Amendment as the reference for this, was intended to protect speech such as this. Freedom of speech is used to allow people to speak their minds, even if their minds are filled with hate. If freedom of speech is taken away, then one of the most powerful weapons against the formation of a tyranous and/or fascist government has been taken away from the public.

I believe that he has the right to say that he hates the gays and that homosexuality is wrong, but he does not have the right to ensight a riot or violence against gays.

I'm not sure what you mean. I thought exactly what happened is written in the instruction manual.

I'm not trying to pick a fight, I'm just trying to have a discussion, and allow Christians the perfect opportunity to follow the great commission to reach out and answer some questions about their loving creator.

Ah, the source of the problem becomes clear: The Bible is NOT an instruction manual.

It is the collection of written stories from Hebrew and Christian traditions and must be read as such.

I was looking at that "funny" (disgusting) website and I took a look at the FAQ's and this is one of the most disgusting things that I read:

Why do you say "Thank God For September 11?"
For several reasons. First, God ordained and decreed these acts. He determined in eternity to hurl those airplanes like fiery darts out of the sky. He used the evil followers of Osama bin Laden to punish even more evil people, just as He used the evil, blood-thirsty Babylonian King Nebuchadnezzar, His servant, to punish wicked Judah (Jeremiah 25:9). As the sovereign Creator, His acts by definition are perfect and all humans are duty bound to be grateful for all that He does. "Shall there be evil in a city, and the Lord hath not done it?" Amos 3:6. You are supremely arrogant and evil if you don't believe that your Creator was responsible for September 11. Second, the saints of God watch for the return of Christ. The worse this world becomes in its institutionalized iniquity, the greater the hope that the return of Christ is nigh. September 11 took things to a new level. That is a good reason to thank God. Third, this nation is awash in arrogant disobedience to God. By all that is just, God is fully entitled to utterly destroy the nation immediately. The fact that instead He gave us a fair warning on September 11 is something that those who fear and obey God as all mankind is bound to do are thankful for this warning. Of course, the perverse people of this evil nation are not getting the hint, and instead of repenting in sackcloth and ashes, they continue to spit in God's face. "And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not." Revelation 2:21.

Anyone here agree with this ridiculous talk of how God wanted this to happen say, "I believe". Anyone who disagrees with this websites thinking should write to them saying how disgusting their retorhic sounds (though it would probably do little). :mad:

Ok. Well that's different. So which parts are "real" and which parts aren't?

thanks lebell for clearing up the title confusion. i think it's dumb and wrong to imprison someone just because they "expressed" disgust for something/someone. i express my disgust for crappy teeny-bopper pop singers (who lipsync) like Ashlee Simpson all the time, but i guess i can because i live in america, whereas in sweden i guess you can't express your opinions?
it's one thing to give your opinion on a subject (i.e. homosexuality) but another to discriminate. if the guy didn't go commit a hate crime or discriminate against a homosexual, then i think he, a man who dislikes homosexuals, should be allowed to say as much as homosexuals and their supporters are allowed to say on the subject. but that's just my opinion.

http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showpos...8&postcount=12

It's not about expressing disgust it's about agitating to rouse action against a protected group.

Ah, that's a better way to express yourself.

And no, I dont belive you should put in jail for expressing disgust againt a soccer team or something else. But using some kind of public position and agitate against a group that are protected by the law because of their vulnerable position in society and discriminate them (in this case, not allowing gays to join the parish) should be against the law. The degree of the punishment is another question.

In the swedish law homosexuals are one of the group of people that are protected againts discrimination and slander. The reason is of course historic; years of persecution and violence against them and others, are being rooted out.

:lol: :lol: :lol: Good point! God does love all His children. Wasn't it Jesus who hung out with lepors, prostitutes and tax collecters? God embraces all His children. I guess Åke missed that fax.

If you are interested in hermeneutics, please mossy on over to "Tilted Politics" and do some searches on "Bible".

If you don't find something that answers your question, then feel free to start a thread.

That's an interesting philosophy for a "discussion" board, to throw out statements and then not be willing to discuss or field questions about them.
:confused: Especially something like Christianity, whose sole purpose is to convert as many people as possible. But I guess that's another one of those "optional" bits.

I fail to see the reason to create clutter by starting yet another thread when this one is specifically about people's interpretation of the Bible and the will of the almighty.

Perhaps you've been too busy looking to pick an argument with Christians over interpretation of dogma to notice that this thread was actually about laws in Sweden that restrict freedom of speech.

As a non-believer, I enjoy reading a spirited discussion about religion as much as the next guy. Reading someone's one-line "zingers" that attempt to force others to defend their religion isn't alll that entertaining.

Now, were you to follow that up with some insight as to why you hold that statement to be true, it would be considerably more interesting. Without the elucidation on your part however, it just looks like you're trying to start a fight.

You sure about that are you? Interesting since 20 of the 40 posts on the first page of this thread, not including ones by myself or Lebell, are about how people believe "god" acts and feels (love/hate/vengeance/mercy/etc). So whether or not the OP meant for that to be the direction of the topic is irrelevant since "discussions" are fluid entities, otherwise they would be called "lectures"

I do find it amusing that in a thread that you say is about free speech, that I'm getting slammed for asking questions. :thumbsup:

I never once said, implied, or inferred that I have insight regarding this subject. I do however have questions about inconsistencies and "things that just don't jive". But then again I'm not the the one who so believes in something that I am willing to proclaim myself a member of a group, but not be willing to explain the rules to anyone else. And I'm sure as heck not going to accuse someone of "picking a fight" for asking questions about something as important as this is supposed to be.

And even if I was half the "evil meanie" that I'm being made to look like, I would think that Christians would welcome that even more according to Matthew 5:10. Although in this case that may not be applicable. This whole 'the Bible is just a storybook' from a self proclaimed Christian is a new one for me, and bring up a whole new set of questions that won't be answered.

Posh...that's the only part i'll respond to. But if you post in Philosophy, or look up old posts...this is a topic that gets dealt with a lot, by Lebell and others.

So God hates Shrimp and Cigarettes?

Lebell, I understand that the God in the new Testament is running under different rules that the God in the Old Testament. New Covenant and all that sort of thing. What bugs the heck out of me is the number of folks running around claiming to be Christians who haven't figured that out.

According to Bill Moyers quoting a recent Gallup poll, a Third of the American electorate believes the Bible is Literally True. (<a href="http://www.startribune.com/stories/1519/5211218.html">Here's the link</a> to the Star Tribune piece that I am drawng on.) One Third.

Look at the person to your right and the person to your left. If you don't believe the Bible is Literally true, chances are that one of them does. This is a major failure of our educational system, and it leads to, among many other things, homophobia - or, more generally, xenophobia.

Well, things run in cycles. I'll just hope I survive until the '60s and '70s come back around.

With out speaking for Lebell...this short hand is part and parcel of an anti-Judiasm that plays in to anti-Semitism, and perpetuated grave evils for the last two millenia. I won't tell you there aren't some wrath moments in Hebrew Scripture...but i'm very very catious to let the debate get too simplified. There's a lot riding on how we perpetuate and create images of Judiasm through theology and religious discussion.

tophat...you may also find it interesting that the 50's were a pretty good decade for liberal Christianity. Paul Tillich's "Courage to Be" was widely read, and advocates a post-theistic Christianity. By the 70's, the conservative response was already in full swing, and moved to mainstream culture a few years later. just thought i'd add...

How'bout all those preachers hiding behind a faced that secretly molest chior boys? Just because they are the "servants" of god and they are forgiven?

Hmm, I belive this discussion is slipping out of focus. Stick to the subject fellow tfp:s. :hmm: ;)

mrklixx,

I am avoiding hijacking the thread.

I don't see that it's an unreasonable request to ask you to take it to "Philosophy" and your own thread, or, as it's been pointed out, do a search and read the several threads that have already been done on the topic.

I have to admit from the sounds of things (because there is no link and I haven't done a search because I'm pretty sure i get the idea now) ... oh yes, from the sound of things...

It seems to me that this preacher was arrested for 'trying' to insite a riot to go after homosexuals, but had not actually managed to succeed in this task. However he did discriminate against homosexuals by not allowing them to join his congragation. (please fogive any spelling errors...in a bit of a hurry ;))

The problem I see is he is being punished for something he 'tried' to do along side something he did. I would have much rather have seen this riot come to life and taken more then one person to use as an example. I'm not saying I am hoping for some bad thing to happen to homosexuals because quite honestly I fully support them and their rights to be protected. But the simple truth is, trying to do something and doing something are two different things. Good-prosecute to the fullest of the law for his discrimination, but how can you hold him also accountable for something that didn't fully come to be??

Please know I'm on my way out the door, but had to say something, I will be happy to recheck this post in just a few :)

people are too screwed up in this world.

If say someone is planning a murder, but the cops catches him before doing it, should he not be arrested? Would you like a person like that on the streets?

It's one thing having your own opinion and sharing it with people, it's a whole other thing to preach it as if it was the truth. He went over the line, that is very clear. Whether he should have just been fined or jailed is another matter.

Okay, I just read the actual sermon (at http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=147&a=367498 for those of you who understands swedish) and I can't honestly say that Åke tried to rouse actions against homosexuals, except the usual "saving the sinners" stuff. He said that all these people living in sin might make God strike Sweden with earthquakes and floods and that you can't be both homosexual and christian.

The root of the issue is the tangled relations between the church and the state in Sweden. The short story is that the state can't accept that a religious organisation has different opinions than the state. We have freedom of religion, sure, as long as the religions are "sensible". Personally I think the Åke Green case is stupid, that Åke didn't break the law, and a lot of people in Sweden think the same.

Bible quotations come from King James version.
Translators comments in brackets [comment]
The text I'm translating from is obviously a transcript of his exact
words during the sermon so I have tried to correct and change as little
as possible in this translation.



Is homosexuality an inherent urge or is it evil powers playing games with
humans?
I am well aware of the subject being charged and controversial. And even
that it has become that in christian circles.
I have not sought supprot in Gods words for my thoughts. But Gods words
has given me the thoughts I am about to present here today. I will bring forth
the subject of homosexuality but also the the realtionship with christian
homosexuals.
Is it a sign of our time and can somone be saved from it?


God has in genesis created humans to be man and woman. We start in Genesis 1:27-28
"So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male
and female created he them."
"And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and
replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea,
and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the
earth."
Here Gods words says clearly and legible that you were created to be Father
and Mother.
To man and woman. De were supposed to be parents. The Lord says this clearly
and legible.

And the script percives any form of sexuall contact outside the frames of
marriage as fornication. And that signify the word fornication. [Don't ask
I have no idea what he means with the last sentence.]
It is also clearly pronounced in [this is a phrase hard to translate,
"instiftelseorden till äktenskapet" as far as I can tell it means >the words
that institute marriage> but I'm not sure. He uses a religious technical term
that is hard to translate.] in Genesis 2:24 "Therefore shall a man leave his
father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one
flesh."
Here only husband and wife is spoken of... It is not written in any other way
and/or [It is not clear if he means "and" or "or"] you may never interpret it
so that you may chose any partner you may wish.

The urge God put in man to experience the deepest form of companionship and
to presereve marriage in true faithfullness. It has become the devils strongest
weapon in his fight against God and marriage. Namely he uses it against God.
What god has created so that man may experience companionship and faithfullness
and happiness and all that it brings. That is what the devil is using against
God and right in the face of God. To twist and bend/corrupt [Hard translated
term that means both].

In the animal kingdom there is males and females, among the plantes there are
alsom male and female plants, neither in the animal nor in the plant realm
exists any abnormalities. For each speices keeps to it's own kind. That is the
way it is. Untill man in later years has barged in on this area with artifical
impregnations [Term "provrörsbefruktningar" means lit. test tube fertilizations
meaning inseminations of already fertilized eggs] and through cloning. Untill
then it has been the way God said we should live.

Through legalizing partnership between male & male... between female & female.
Will come disasters plain and simply. Without it's likeness. We see the
consequences of this already here. We see it through AIDS that is spreading.
All AIDS-infected are not homosexual, but it has come to be because of this
at one point in time. Ofcourse innocents can be infecte of this terrible
disease without it meaning that it has anything to do with homosexuality.
But still, it will create a huge catastrophe and that already the goverments
and social goverments has found that this they don't master. [This is a hard
sentece to translate since it makes very little sense gramatically in Swedish.
It seems that this is a written transcript of his exact words and his grip
of Swedish grammar is rather scetchy at best. The best I could do was an
interpretation of what he said, if anyone object please open your mouth
and tell me.]. We are experiencing the difficulties with it. But that's not
all, the television told us that the number of STD-infected males and females
are rising.
It is spreading more and more because of people not living the way God intended
man to live toghether. And is because people is derailing into clearly
unbiblical and clearly inhuman relations.
this is no private matter nor is it a right to live in another sexual manner
than what the bible says.
Hebrew 13:4 "Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but
whoremongers and adulterers God will judge."

No matter how the society views this God will judge both the society and
those who commit the fornication.
Remember this. Both society or [I don't know why he used or instead of and
here, his grammar suck.] the city or the place will God judge above those
who commits this fornication.

If we go back in history to Genesis 19:1-5.
v. 4 "And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of
Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his
face toward the ground;"
"And he said, Behold now, my lords, turn in, I pray you, into your servant's
house, and tarry all night, and wash your feet, and ye shall rise up early,
and go on your ways. And they said, Nay; but we will abide in the street all
night."
"And he pressed upon them greatly; and they turned in unto him, and entered
into his house; and he made them a feast, and did bake unleavened bread, and
they did eat."
"But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed
the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:"
"And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in
to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them."
Here we read about homosexual males for the first time. All of sodoms men
spoke openly and showed openly their deviant sexual alignment. "Both old and
young" we read here. Everyone. And this is whay they say: "that we may know them."
And that means a sexual contact. The same expression that the bible use when
a man goes to a woman. It is the same expression here as say if these men
had lust for eachother. [Yet another grammatically messed up sentence.].

Isaiah puts it like this Isaiah 3:9 "The shew of their countenance doth witness
against them;" that they didn't do in Sodom. Obviously they show themselves
in front of the house and calls for Lot. The righteous, they don't spare him
in any way and says "bring them out unto us, that we may know them.".
We lust for it, frankly and simply. In the middle of the street these men are
standing. They don't conceal their sin.
Completly in the open and unembarrased they spoke of their sexual needs and
that says something about the state in Sodom.

God says to Abraham in Genesis 18:20 "And the LORD said, Because the cry of
Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous;". That
says the Lord. Very grievous! They cry from Sodom and Gomorrah it is huge
and griveous. That is the way God views this deviant sexual relation. It is
very griveous says God. It is very griveous that when man gives enraptures
himself this way.

etc.

------------------------------------


This is the beginning of the sermon, I will see if I find time and energy
to translate any further (and if you find it necessarry). But the sermon
doesn't get any better than this.
He begins with stating that it is not Gods words that gave him these
ideas but that the words of God inspired him to think these thoughts
and then he continiues to base most of his arguments on the "words of
God" (the bible).
Then he goes on to blaming AIDS on homosexuals etc.


There are so many misconceptions and misunderstandings in his sermon that
I seroiusly doubt he could have made it through hightschool. He must have
been stuck in a cell with only the bible and a TV a company for years.

that he's using the KJV is probably the first sign that things are off the tracks. lovely as it sounds...it misreads the hebrew in those passages considerably.

/bible dork

He's not using KJV it's me that chose that version since it corresponds best with the quotations in his sermon.

Great work there Cervantes! The sermon looks funny in written text, but bear in mind it was spoken. And they do have a special style of speaking in sermons, you must have heard some things from the Knutby guys? ;) The Bible quotes aren't exact, but it looks more like the 1917 version than the 2000.

Anyone else but me thinks it funny how they always leave out the really nasty parts of the Lot story?

Yeah I've heard a bit about Knutby... Damn TV is running show after show about it, enough already.. :crazy: hehe. That's a wierd story.. That preacher must be a real horndog seducing married women right under their husbands noses and then using his authority to keep it quiet.
I got tired of the story at about a week after the mediacoverage started. Have they figured out who killed who and why yet?

I'd imagine Pingstkyrkan has their own version of the bible (Like Jehovas witness etc.) but I'm not sure (I'm not really a fan of organized religion (or should I say sects?) if you know what I mean), I don't have any Swedish bible to compare with though so I'm shooting a bit in the dark.

I have to agree that they have a special style preaching the sermons, they use a whole lot of dramatical pauses, rethorical tricks and stuff that can't be put into writing. But some of his sentences was complete nonsense, they didn't make any sense what so ever.. Maybe stagefright so he's rambling sometimes.

the linked website is actually beyond belief. The only argument I can find for it being allowed to exist is that it will surely invite ridicule and scorn up[on its creators in all people who see it.

In his sermon he quoted many Bible passages supposedly showing that homosexuality is evil and sinful, but he also closed with this:
I assume this translation is correct.
It seems to me that locking this guy up is going way overboard in an effort to protect minorities.

The translation looks okay to me. And if they want to lock him up for that they are going to have to lock up a LOT of people. The only action against homosexuals he's rousing is to go out and talk to them about Jesus. I know a guy with MS who is hounded by the local Jehova's who wants to exorcise the demons from his body. When is he going to get protection by the law?

is it just me, or are king what'shisname's daughters rather attractive in a not slutty way?

flstf; Man I wish i found that before translating the introduction myself.. Anywho. It seems the language has been polished a bit in the translation you supplied.

I guess he has the right to view homosexuality the way he want's to but to make his whole sermon about how sinfull and wrong it is, then going on blaming homosexuals for AIDS and other catastrophies is going too far.

I agree that imprisoning him is going too far aswell but I don't think he should be allowed to get away with spreading this kind of misinformation either.
Aside from the bible quotes his sermon is a madeup jumble of concealed hate, I have no reason thinking there shouldn't be any reprocussions for this guy.

Holy shit. I just listened to a couple of the "hymes" from GHA. I can say that I honestly feel this man is all the proof I need that sometimes, all it takes is one bullet to make the world a better place. What a fucktard.

What I personally find amusing are the people that claim the KJV is the "One True" Bible, when even the Greek "originals" we have can only be dated back to the 6th century or so. That and the fact that "literal interpretation" is an oxymoron.

Åke Green was acquitted from the charges.

http://www.godhatesfags.com/fliers/f..._2-11-2005.pdf