Penta Water - Is this a Load or what?

[Blackthorn]

I saw this in the grocery store over the weekend and thought you have got to be kidding me! They claim to have reshaped the water molecule "clusters" so that the water is now more readily absorbed by your body. This is a total LOAD OF CRAP and people will buy it like mindless sheep. Why couldn't I think of this???

What do you think about this? Is this real or is this another marketing farce like the Oxygen O2 bars?

Link to the LOAD of Penta Water B.S.

What Makes Penta Unique?

Penta is the Purest Bottled Water on the Market

Penta water undergoes a rigorous 13-step purification process in our state-of-the-art bottling facility. This process—which far exceeds FDA standards for bottled water—is designed to remove every possible impurity found in water, including arsenic, bacteria, chlorine, chromium 6, fluoride, lead, MTBE, and pesticides. These impurities have been found in other drinking water, but will never be found in Penta!

No chemicals are ever used to purify Penta water. We begin with regular water that measures approximately 550 parts per million (ppm) of total dissolved solids (TDS). At the end of this 13-step purification process, the TDS will be less than 0.5 ppm—making Penta the purest known bottled water on the market (even purer than distilled water). It takes about 11 hours to make a bottle of Penta water.

Penta is the Only Bottled Water with a Patented Physics Process

Penta undergoes a patented physics process using high-energy sound waves that gives Penta many unique properties. This proprietary technology, known as the “Penta Process,” actually changes the structure of the water. Penta is the only bottled water that uses physics, not chemicals, to restructure its water. The water is cycled through the Penta Process until a specific set point of thermal energy is released for approximately 7-8 hours, which also effectively pasteurizes the product at or above 140ºF (60ºC).

Proof that Penta is restructured water: Penta has been shown through highly technical scientific testing (spectroscopy) to have 30 percent smaller molecular water clusters. It has also been observed that Penta has a higher boiling point than normal water. Penta’s unique structure is patented and has been verified in a published, peer-reviewed study conducted by scientists at Moscow’s General Physics Institute.

Research has shown that Penta water’s unique properties provide the following benefits:

In-vitro studies show an increase in cell survivability by 266%.

In-vitro studies show that Penta water dissolves calcium oxalate monohydrate (the main substance in 85% of kidney stones) three times faster than normal water.

In-vitro studies on human cells reveal that lab distilled water DNA chromosomal mutation rates were 271% greater than Penta water.

Proven More Effective Hydration

Penta’s unique properties may also be responsible for allowing the water to move through the body more quickly for superior hydration.

Countless Penta drinkers have told us that, through effectively hydrating, they look and feel more youthful, energetic and all around better.

Please note that having smaller molecular clusters is scientific proof of our restructured water, and may NOT contribute to faster hydration.

Cells have two ways of hydrating. First, cells become hydrated when water molecules pass through a tiny channel called aquaporin protein channels. These channels only allow one molecule to pass at a time, therefore, as far as we know, the cluster size doesn’t have any direct correlation to improved hydration.

Second, cells also hydrate through semi-permeable membranes, and smaller clusters may aid in this type of hydration.

[Shpoop]

how the hell can it make a smaller water molecule. Hydrogen has a certain bond length with Oxygen and that is that. Because of the charge differences and sizes, the bond is a certain length...you can release all the "thermal energy" (what the fuck does that have to do with the subject) you want, but it won't change that. Purest...ok, I'll give them that, purest is something it could be...but restructuring the molecule of water? Without the use of isotopes, it simply cannot be done without rewriting the rules of chemistry.

[Hard8s]

Purest? I think not. How many times have you been on a ship that use evaporators to make the water. All it takes is a little heat, a little vaporization of water (steam) and something to condense it back to water, an bingo pure H20. All the crap is left behind in the other tank.

I too think that there is NO WAY they can shrink the water molecule....but that is not what they are claiming. They are claiming smaller clusters, which just means smaller droplets of water. Not sure how they plan on proving this but.....
thay always say don't believe everything that you read. There is no truth in advertising.

[JStrider]

they said it has a higher boiling point... someone boil some and measure the temperature it boils at...

[Poloboy]

It's not the size of "droplets" of water they're talking about, it's the clusters of water molecules. Water is very polar and a molecule in liquid water is hydrogen-bonded to several other molecules in the near vicinity. Hydrogen bonds aren't static though, so protons are effectively jumping along water molecules at high speed. They're claiming to have changed the hydrogen-bonding nature of water to make the water molecules form into small clusters.

I don't have a lot of chemistry schooling, but if they claim they've altered the bonding patterns of the molecules with sound waves, I wouldn't write it off as complete bullshit JUST yet. It's possible that high energy sound waves could affect the hydrogen bond behaviour, but if it did, it would definitely be a short-lived effect. So basically, I don't know if what they're saying is true or not, but the bottled water you buy is NOT the same water they used in their experiments (the "super water"). With the removal of the sound waves, the molecules would soon revert back to their normal (lower energy, more stable) hydrogen-bonding behaviour. So by the time it goes from Vladimir's lab in Moscow to the grocery store shelf to your stomach, it's just regular ass water.

Now that's assuming what they claim MIGHT be true. But as for the water entering cells faster, that's definitely complete bullshit. Aquaporins allow water to enter a cell at 10^9 molecules per second, per aquaporin. Some cell membranes are littered with aquaporins, so the cell can let in a huge amount of water when it wants to. (The aquaporins are open for a very short time). However, simple diffusion across a membrane is SLOW. They state that their "clustering" would have no effect on aquaporins, but MAYBE it speeds up simple diffusion. Well that's like standing on the back of your power boat and blowing as hard as you can to try to make it go faster.

Anyway, I thought I'd elaborate on some of the more technical things they mentioned to avoid any confusion.

[Blackthorn]

Originally Posted by Poloboy

It's not the size of "droplets" of water they're talking about, it's the clusters of water molecules. Water is very polar and a molecule in liquid water is hydrogen-bonded to several other molecules in the near vicinity. Hydrogen bonds aren't static though, so protons are effectively jumping along water molecules at high speed. They're claiming to have changed the hydrogen-bonding nature of water to make the water molecules form into small clusters.

I don't have a lot of chemistry schooling, but if they claim they've altered the bonding patterns of the molecules with sound waves, I wouldn't write it off as complete bullshit JUST yet. It's possible that high energy sound waves could affect the hydrogen bond behaviour, but if it did, it would definitely be a short-lived effect. So basically, I don't know if what they're saying is true or not, but the bottled water you buy is NOT the same water they used in their experiments (the "super water"). With the removal of the sound waves, the molecules would soon revert back to their normal (lower energy, more stable) hydrogen-bonding behaviour. So by the time it goes from Vladimir's lab in Moscow to the grocery store shelf to your stomach, it's just regular ass water.

Now that's assuming what they claim MIGHT be true. But as for the water entering cells faster, that's definitely complete bullshit. Aquaporins allow water to enter a cell at 10^9 molecules per second, per aquaporin. Some cell membranes are littered with aquaporins, so the cell can let in a huge amount of water when it wants to. (The aquaporins are open for a very short time). However, simple diffusion across a membrane is SLOW. They state that their "clustering" would have no effect on aquaporins, but MAYBE it speeds up simple diffusion. Well that's like standing on the back of your power boat and blowing as hard as you can to try to make it go faster.

Anyway, I thought I'd elaborate on some of the more technical things they mentioned to avoid any confusion.

Now this was worth a read! I'm not sure what the hell you said but it sure as hell IS an impressive read I'm not picking on you either it sounds like you know just what the hell you are talking about. I do understand the back of the boat reference and with everything you said it still adds up to BUNK as far as the product that's on the grocer's shelf is concerned.

[mojodragon]

I bet this Penta water didn't manage to get rid of all of the deadly Dihydrogen Monoxide. Dihydrogen Monoxide is one of the deadliest killers out there. The government knows about it, and yet does nothing! It's time someone came up with a way to remove all traces of Dihydrogen Monoxide from our drinking water.

[crewsor]

Originally Posted by mojodragon

I bet this Penta water didn't manage to get rid of all of the deadly Dihydrogen Monoxide. Dihydrogen Monoxide is one of the deadliest killers out there. The government knows about it, and yet does nothing! It's time someone came up with a way to remove all traces of Dihydrogen Monoxide from our drinking water.

Umm, ok. No Dihydrogen Monoxide = No water.




Local officials nearly fall for H2O hoax









The Associated Press
Updated: 2:05 p.m. ET March 15, 2004

ALISO VIEJO, Calif. - City officials were so concerned about the potentially dangerous properties of dihydrogen monoxide that they considered banning foam cups after they learned the chemical was used in their production.


Then they learned, to their chagrin, that dihydrogen monoxide — H2O for short — is the scientific term for water.

"It's embarrassing," said City Manager David J. Norman. "We had a paralegal who did bad research."

The paralegal apparently fell victim to one of the many official looking Web sites that have been put up by pranksters to describe dihydrogen monoxide as "an odorless, tasteless chemical" that can be deadly if accidentally inhaled.

As a result, the City Council of this Orange County suburb had been scheduled to vote next week on a proposed law that would have banned the use of foam containers at city-sponsored events. Among the reasons given for the ban were that they were made with a substance that could "threaten human health and safety."

The measure has been pulled from the agenda, although Norman said the city may still eventually ban foam cups.

"If you get Styrofoam into the water and it breaks apart, it's virtually impossible to clean up," Norman said.
Copyright 2004 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

[viejo gringo]

Yea, "there is still one born every minute..."

[guthmund]

tee hee

After watching a couple of PBS specials, the episode of Penn and Teller's Bullshit! and reading a dozen different articles about bottled water, I think sticking to good ol' city water will do me just fine. And at $0/ per bottle it fits my budget perfectly.

All that being said, this Penta Water is going to be a big hit. Everybody loves a trend and the "science" doesn't hurt one bit.

[skier]

lol crewsor there's something called dry humour. Mojodragon's post made me laugh.

My grandma used to buy this stuff, until we finally convinced her that it's just normal water.

[mojodragon]

We had a petition going around at my last base. Remove the Dihydrogen Monoxide from our drinking supply! hehe. That's as funny as when "The Man Show" started the petition trying to end Women's Sufferage. That was just great!

[MSD]

During my time at Radio Shed, a customer tried to convince me that dehydration was what caused my migraine that prevented me from being able to read the box of a product I was trying to sell him. He directed me to www.watercure.com and told me to stop by his house to pick up a free pitcher of microclustered water, which would solve a lot of my health problems by rehydrating me. Just look at the crap on that site and tell me the guy wasn't nuts. "What Doctors Label as Disease is Deep Dehydration" (http://www.watercure.com/intro.htm) They go on to claim on another page that cholestorol-related arterial blockages are a myth and that dehydration is the problem.

This is the kind of "Science" you're dealing with.

[TexanAvenger]

"Penta’s unique properties may also be responsible for allowing the water to move through the body more quickly for superior hydration" - So not only does it apparently make you Superman/woman, but it makes you have to pee constantly too...

[mazagmot]

Sweat more, too. yuck

[Stiltzkin]

I have a faucet. The water that comes out of it is pretty damn good by my standards!

[Powderedmaggot]

Penta water? Is that the stuff that comes out behind boats with Volvo Penta motors?

[Jonsgirl]

I am all about the Penta water! It's about time someone did something about those huge, unstructred compunds.
Why, just the other day, I was talking with my lady friend, and I says to her, I says, "You know, Sally, I'd love to come over and have some cool, refreshing lemonade, but you make it with that silly tap water. Those water molecules in ordinary tap water are just too big for me."
Can you believe that she didn't even realize how big a molecule was? I mean, I was likely to choke on those ginormus things, and she didn't have the slightest notion we were in any danger!

[kutulu]

I'm sure Penta water is pretty effective at increasing the rate of diffusion of money through your wallet.

Tap water is perfectly safe, but it tastes like shit. I go to the water store and buy my drinking water for .30/gallon. It tastes great and only costs $1.50 per week.

[saut]

Originally Posted by kutulu

I'm sure Penta water is pretty effective at increasing the rate of diffusion of money through your wallet.

Tap water is perfectly safe, but it tastes like shit. I go to the water store and buy my drinking water for .30/gallon. It tastes great and only costs $1.50 per week.

I've found that tap water is a lot better when you refridgerate it with a shitload of ice.

[kutulu]

It's better when cold, but not by much. BOttled water tastes good at any temp.

[soccerchamp76]

That is because you numb your tastebuds with the cold temperature...

[C4 Diesel]

Originally Posted by Poloboy

But as for the water entering cells faster, that's definitely complete bullshit. Aquaporins allow water to enter a cell at 10^9 molecules per second, per aquaporin. Some cell membranes are littered with aquaporins, so the cell can let in a huge amount of water when it wants to. (The aquaporins are open for a very short time). However, simple diffusion across a membrane is SLOW. They state that their "clustering" would have no effect on aquaporins, but MAYBE it speeds up simple diffusion. Well that's like standing on the back of your power boat and blowing as hard as you can to try to make it go faster.

NICE! Someone who knows their cell bio.

Now if someone picks up a bottle of this crap... pour it out in a container, weigh it, empty the container and fill it up with regular water and weigh it again (well...weigh the container first and subtract that out from each measurement). If what they claim is true then this Penta-garbage will be 30% heavier, which I'd put a hell of a lot of money on not happening. That being said, if the water still boils at a higher temperature and isn't more dense, then that actually means there's other stuff dissolved in it. Dissolved solute decreases the freezing/fusion temperature and increases the boiling/dew point.

Anyone remember oxygen water? "Yay! Now we can drink our oxygen, too! We can just drink water and then we won't have to breathe!!!"

Stupid ****ing water companies.

[Slavakion]

Penta water undergoes a rigorous 13-step purification process in our state-of-the-art bottling facility. This process—which far exceeds FDA standards for bottled water—is designed to remove every possible impurity found in water, including arsenic, bacteria, chlorine, chromium 6, fluoride, lead, MTBE, and pesticides. These impurities have been found in other drinking water, but will never be found in Penta!

I wanna know how they turn water distillation into 13 steps. Boil, cool and collect. That's two. (I know it's not quite that simple, but you see my point)

[greytone]

I am a physician and I deal everyday with patients who believe crap like this. They believe anything the high school kid behind the counter at GNC says. But I have a study done on 5000 patients over several years on a drug that shows a mortality benefit and they insist that the medication is far too dangerous to take. They think "natural" is safe (as if it means anything in the first place), but they buy this supposedly high tech water that is sold as being anything but "natural water" as if it is the secret of health. They will spend $300 a month on internet supplements but piss and moan about a $10 copay for a visit where I individualize their treatment and address 4 or 5 different diagnoses. None of them get it when I point out that heroin is "natural."


Sorry......long week.

[munchen]

I wanna know how they turn water distillation into 13 steps. Boil, cool and collect. That's two. (I know it's not quite that simple, but you see my point)

Yeah, but thats just for normal water. Super penta water takes 13

[MageB420666]

Originally Posted by Slavakion

I wanna know how they turn water distillation into 13 steps. Boil, cool and collect. That's two. (I know it's not quite that simple, but you see my point)

Maybe they do that six times and then play the water some "Sounds of Nature" to help it relax into smaller clumps?