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FngKestrel 01-20-2005 10:32 AM

The Lost Art of Parking
 
http://www.vwvortex.com/artman/publi...cle_1158.shtml
(entry has photos of bad parking, alternatively, you could just go to a nearby parking lot)

This guy nails it right on the head about people and parking these days.

For the clicking impaired:
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Rearview Mirror: Am I the Only One Who Still Knows How to Park?
January 17, 2005

by: Bryan Joslin

I’m a pretty humble guy. You won’t often hear me bragging about lap times or dyno results or wicked mods. Of course, that’s mostly because I don’t have a lot to brag about (insert modesty here). But there is one skill I am quite proud of, and that is my ability to properly park a vehicle.

It’s not like I was born with some supernatural gift to simultaneously operate any combination of mirrors, throttle, brakes, clutch, and steering. No, like any other great skill, mine was developed and honed by practicing. I’m not ashamed to admit that for several years of my early adulthood, I sold cars for a living (though selling VWs in the early ‘90’s was quite embarrassing). As a car salesman, I spent the better part of any given workday moving cars in and out of tight spaces; everything from digging a car out of the most remote corner of the lot for a test drive, to lining up the front row like perfect soldiers. Without a doubt my favorite task was moving cars in and out of the showroom, a job not for the faint of heart. I was always proud of the speed and precision with which I was able to accomplish this feat, and was often called upon to perform when time and/or space were at a minimum. Never so much as a nick in five years.

So not to rub it in, but to paraphrase a Jerky Boys bit, I can pretty much park a garbage truck in a closet if I have to. I realize not everyone has the superb “training” I have, but I can’t help but notice that the ability of the general driving public to park their car, truck, or SUV in the defined spaces of a parking lot has seriously gone downhill. I was reminded of this fact today when I was forced to make a trip to the local Home Depot, where on any given day at any given time, you can find a couple dozen pickups, SUVs and cars arranged in nearly random patterns. It’s as if the yellow lines painted on the asphalt are merely a suggestion for others to follow.

So as I watched a fellow motorist position his minivan at an angle nearly thirty degrees from parallel to my perfectly placed Touareg, his front bumper nearly touching mine, I pondered the reason for this loss of skills. Have people really forgotten how to park their cars, or is there something else to it?

To me, parking a car is the most fundamental skill, the building block on which all other driving skills are built. Think about it. Parking requires the driver to treat the throttle as a fine instrument instead of an on-off switch. Forethought and planning are required to properly steer the car into tight spaces. The controls must actually be operated without looking at the dashboard. And most of all, the driver must have a sense of the vehicle’s boundaries and a perspective for what surrounds him.

Bad driving starts with poor parking skills. How can a driver not be a hazard at higher speeds on the road if he can’t even line his car up relatively centered and straight between two yellow lines at a snail’s pace? How safe can someone possibly be in traffic if he doesn’t even know how far the front of his truck hangs over into the next space in a parking lot?

Part of the problem surely has to do with driver education. We can all agree that getting a driver’s license in most states requires not much more than a warm body with proper identification. High-school driver’s ed is typically taught by the same person that coaches wresting or basketball and doesn’t have quite enough to do with the middle of his day. My 16-year-old daughter completed driver’s ed over this past summer, and I was astonished to learn that they don’t actually practice parallel parking now, because it is no longer part of the examination process. Unbelievable!

Aside from the fact that more drivers are on the road with less developed skills, there are also more and more SUVs and minivans in today’s parking lots. These vehicles are larger and more difficult to park than a traditional mid-size sedan. Not only are they larger, but once one monster SUV parks all catty-wampus (old-guy terminology) in a crowded parking lot, the domino effect almost certainly ensues thereafter.

Not to single out SUVs alone, minivans are also gross offenders of parking lot etiquette. Everyone know soccer moms have a hard time concentrating on menial tasks like parking when there are five screaming rugrats in the back watching Toy Story 2 on the flip-down DVD player.

Putting all biased generalizations aside, I think there is a deeper issue at hand. Certainly parking skills could be sharper, driver education could be much better, and most of us could get by driving a more socially responsible vehicle than we do. But all of those things still would not change the parking situation much.

Instead, I believe the real problem is that we have lost respect for our fellow motorists in recent times. We have become more selfish as a society, and we have taken for granted the privilege it is to own and operate personal transportation. More and more, driving is becoming just another tedious task, and who really wants to take the extra ten seconds to straighten the family transport appliance after battling 47 continuous traffic signals to get to the mall? So what if the tail of your car is hanging into the next guy’s space- let him figure it out if he’s in such a hurry to leave before you do!

As a car enthusiast, I still take pride in my ability to park my car properly. If we should happen to cross paths some day, mine will most likely be the car parked away from the crowd, centered perfectly in its space, setting an example that I hope others will follow.

Averett 01-20-2005 10:34 AM

I can't park for shit.

Honestly though, I tend to only have this problem when somebody else is in the car with me. Distraction issues I guess...

kurty[B] 01-20-2005 10:42 AM

The first day my dad took me out to drive, we went downtown during rush hour, and my dad pointed at a parallel parking spot and told me to park there. I was still having trouble not stalling the car (standard), and talk about freaking out, I had cars honking at me, hundreds of motorists flipping me off. I was tense as could be. Of course, the very first time I hit the curb, and then the second time i hit the curb, and after many attempts I finally got into the spot.

My dad then had me pull out and two blocks later pointed out another parallel parking spot and made me park there. Once I accomplished that he took me to a hilly road with lots of stoplights, to get practice starting on hills with a standard. Once again, lots of honking motorists, and middle fingers as I stalled the car at almost every hilly stoplight, and almost rolled back into 3 or 4 other cars. After that first day I was frustrated, and thought my dad was a jerk, but when I'm walking downtown, and watch someone attempt to parallel park and practically take out the parking meter I laugh, and appreciate the fact that those were my first lessons.

Charlatan 01-20-2005 10:44 AM

My house doesn't have a driveway so I have to park on the street.

As a result I have become a parallel parking machine... I can fit my car into a space that is only slightly larger than my car to begin with... It just bugs me when others on the street leave too much space between cars so they waste a parking space.

I often wish there was a way of shuffling the cars on my street so that these wasteful gaps could be avoided...

Cynthetiq 01-20-2005 10:46 AM

I can parallel park well when I don't think too much about it. If I start to contemplate the mechanics of it, I blow myself out of the water and have to do the 100 point parallel parking job.

Right side, left side parallel parking too. :)

Parking is an important skill.

FngKestrel 01-20-2005 10:58 AM

I love the fact that parallel parking was taken out of the parking test, probably because too many people were failing it. :hmm:
/sarcasm

I've seen this trend where if the tests are too hard, instead of wanting to fail more people, they neuter the tests. Not just in parking but other activities too. :|

Charlatan 01-20-2005 11:03 AM

The truth is that most people living in the suburbs or in the country don't have to parallel park very much... if at all.

They all have driveways and the stores they go to all have parking lots.

01-20-2005 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FngKestrel
I love the fact that parallel parking was taken out of the parking test, probably because too many people were failing it. :hmm:
/sarcasm

Man, not only did I have to take 1 written test and 2 driving test, but I had to parallel park on both driving tests... I *wish* they'd taken it out! :p Damn Ontario government, thinking we need to know how to park..

kurty[B] 01-20-2005 11:08 AM

Yeah, but even people parking in parking lots is pretty bad. The people at my workplace are pretty decent at parking on a normal day, but if it snows... I know you can't see the lines and all, but parking in a reasonable manner semi-parallel to the person you're parking next to is not that hard! On one of those days I see more diagonals than a highschool geometry textbook.

StanT 01-20-2005 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kurty[B]
After that first day I was frustrated, and thought my dad was a jerk, but when I'm walking downtown, and watch someone attempt to parallel park and practically take out the parking meter I laugh, and appreciate the fact that those were my first lessons.

A man after my own heart ... your dad, that is. I taught both of my daughters to drive. Classes included parallel parking, changing a tire, controlling a skid on ice, checking the oil, manual transmision, and lot's of other things. After "Dad's school of driving", the state's test looked easy.

Cynthetiq 01-20-2005 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charlatan
The truth is that most people living in the suburbs or in the country don't have to parallel park very much... if at all.

They all have driveways and the stores they go to all have parking lots.

and here's the examples of bad parking from the link. Honestly there is no excuse for this except that people are just too much in a rush and don't care about other people's property and only their own selfishness.

http://www.vwvortex.com/artman/uploads/parking1.jpg

http://www.vwvortex.com/artman/uploads/parking2.jpg

http://www.vwvortex.com/artman/uploads/parking3.jpg

http://www.vwvortex.com/artman/uploads/parking4.jpg

Redlemon 01-20-2005 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Cynthetiq

Well, the ground is wet and the grass is yellow, so this picture has all the signs of "it snowed overnight, people parked in the morning, then it warmed up and the snow melted". I mean, people couldn't otherwise be that stupid, could they?

lurkette 01-20-2005 12:12 PM

Ratbastid parallel parks very well, and I'm getting better. I can usually jockey it in there in no more than 2 tries with no damage to life, limb, or property. There are some pretty simple rules, and if you have decent depth perception you should be able to do it. However, I don't have good depth perception, so I often end up a little further from the curb than I ought to be. I'm working on it.

When you're parking in a parking lot, though, there aren't really that many excuses. All you have to do is pull in! I have had it happen, though, that the person next to me parked like an idiot so I have to park too far to one side or the other, and then the original bad parker leaves and I just look like an idiot who parked badly for no reason.

Stiltzkin 01-20-2005 12:32 PM

Parking sucks. That's why I fly around everywhere, like Superman.

I can actually park well. I can park my dad's truck just fine, and I can park my friend's SUV better than he can >_>
I have to take my time with parallel parking though.

Coppertop 01-20-2005 12:40 PM

Yup, the main issu eseems to be people just don't care anymore. I must say I was elated when I read in the local paper that cops were issuing tickets to SUVs that attempted to squeeze themselves in compact parking spaces.

ngdawg 01-20-2005 12:45 PM

I have taken to leaving notes on windshields-'next time, try parking BETWEEN the lines, not over them'.
I was recently blocked from entering my car by a Cadillac Escalade that was so close alongside my car, I thought it hit mine. For 45 minutes, I waited for the owner to emerge from the Target store. When I saw a well-dressed old geezer exit the store, I knew I had the culprit. As he entered his spaceship, I let him have it. I cursed him left and right, screamed at him how much of a moron he is and had no business driving that monster if he can't park it and threatened to get a lawyer if there's but one scratch on my car. His response to this? "Dot cah vas not dere before". HELLO? How'd I get out of it then, you $(&%$&^.
Picking up my kids from school is a lesson in patience that I am failing miserably. Why can't women park??? They swing up to the curb, leaving about 6ft between them and the minivan in front, making it impossible for the rest of us to get parked. ANd if they DO leave enough space, you should see their faces when I go to parallel park in fron of them!! Pure terror....

Coppertop 01-20-2005 12:48 PM

Funny stuff. I've been comtemplating printing up some notes to keep in my car for just that purpose. So far I've come up with "You need help coloring too?" With perhaps an image of a child coloring all over the damn place (not inside the lines).

kurty[B] 01-20-2005 12:50 PM

Coppertop, I like that idea, maybe next weeks Tilted Art Project should be to make up fliers for people who can't park between lines.

StanT 01-20-2005 01:04 PM

My worst experience was a mom in a Suburban that parked so close to the right side of my motorcycle that I couldn't set it up straight. I waited nearly an hour for her to come out. She didn't apologize, she just said she was in a hurry and that a motorcycle didn't need a whole space. Her kids learned some new words that day.

FngKestrel 01-20-2005 01:19 PM

I've been tempted at times to make a homemade boot out of quikrete (www.quikrete.com) to punish people who park poorly.

Chupes 01-20-2005 01:52 PM

People suck at parking where I work. I once drove down a lane about 50 yards until i couldn't get through. The lane kept getting more narrow because people wouldn't pull in far enough. The 3 or so cars behind me had to throw it in reverse with me. lol :crazy:

Coppertop 01-20-2005 02:04 PM

I started a thread in Tilted Art. Let's hope there are some good results.

http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthr...22#post1635822

AquaFox 01-20-2005 02:38 PM

i hate bad parkers, my car has never once been parked outside the line, today i was parking on a side lot of a building that wasn't plowed, i pulled the handbrake and slide sideways into the spot, opened the door, checked to see if i was in the spot, and turned the car off :D , hell, i can even get perfectly into a spot when drifting in to it on the snow and ice, yet the average person can't do it when driving head on.... they just don't care

Grasshopper Green 01-20-2005 03:19 PM

Interesting that this thread came up today. As I sat outside my workplace today waiting for my husband to pick me up, I watched an old man attempt to park his vehicle. He turned into the space, hit the gas instead of the brake, and plowed head-on into the building. He wasn't hurt but his bumper, license plate, and headlights didn't make out so great.

I always check to make sure that my parking job doesn't interfere with another drivers ability to get into their car and leave their space easily. I guess a lot of people just don't do that anymore.

Senor Roboto 01-20-2005 03:45 PM

I'm guilty of being a bad parker, I admit it. It's not so much the fact that I'm a jerk, just I don't have the ability. I could spend all day attempting to parallel park, and never accomplish it, I don't know why. I've tried practicing, and that still doesn't help, I just can't get it. So all of us bad parkers don't do it just because we're lazy :p

shakran 01-20-2005 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charlatan
It just bugs me when others on the street leave too much space between cars so they waste a parking space.


I'm one of those. I used to be like you, parking in spaces barely longer than my car. Then the idiot in front of me decided to back up about 3 feet before pulling out, and destroyed the front end of my car. Since then, I like to have plenty of room between me and the other guys so maybe they won't hit me when they're pulling out.

Crisis 01-20-2005 03:59 PM

Independant Canadian movie called The Delicate Art of Parking. It's pretty damn funny. You guys should definately give it a look.

guthmund 01-20-2005 04:08 PM

I am an excellent parker?.

When I was 15, my father ran me through countless drills before I took my driving test. He said it was for my benefit, but I think he enjoyed the hell out of it.

Ironically, my driving test consisted of me driving with an officer about a mile down the road, turning around in a parking lot and driving back. Took all of 10 minutes and the cop was more interested in my air conditioning rather than my driving skill.

Shpoop 01-20-2005 04:20 PM

i agree wholeheartedly. my brother got his license before me, so my dad knew that parallel parking was no longer on the examination, but he said "i dont give a shit, youre learning it anyways." So we took two stools, set them up at the boundaries, and made me practice and practice until i never hit a stool. i also agree that people are more and more selfish these days. saddening trend.

JStrider 01-20-2005 04:23 PM

i always park in a parking lot really well... my car is pretty big...(93 ford explorer)
I always back in... or pull thru... its not hard... just got to get used to the vehicle and learn where the edges are...

im alright at parallel parking... dont have to do it much so my skills are a bit rusty im sure... but when ive had to do it I always make it on the first try...

Shockwave248 01-20-2005 04:26 PM

Usually when I see bad parking, it is either because of snow blocking the lines and then melting, or a new driver. Otherwise it's just people being in a hurry. Although, when I park, I am in my spot everytime. I doesn't take a lot of time at all. It comes down to whether you are considerate of other people, or at least considerate enough not to get your own car scratched up.

skier 01-20-2005 06:16 PM

Bad parking irks me. However, I found myself in an odd situation at a mall a few months back. It was a busy time and it was very hard to find a space. In the middle of the lot, two very badly parked cars were next to each other- the one on the right was 1/4 into the parking space on it's left-hand side, and the car on the left had taken one and a half spaces diagonally. I was left straddling the yellow line and at an angle in order to park. I rushed off to work, hoping not to be late.

When I got back some 8 hours later, the other two cars were gone (obviously) leaving my truck looking like a retard parked it. Under my windsheild wiper blade was a very nasty note telling me how to park, and some information on where I should stick my "mother fucking POS gas guzzler".

Normally I'm a good parker. I swear.

El Kaz 01-20-2005 07:30 PM

Wow.. bad parking in a lot has nearly zero excuse. Even if you're the worst parker there is, it takes about 45 seconds to go out, check the lines, go back in and re-adjust. So unless if you're in a HURRY (and I mean "Someone I know just got an accident" hurry, and not "I'm gonna be late for an appointment" hurry..), bad parking in a parking lot is the result of carelesness, not bad parking skills.

pinoychink790 01-20-2005 07:35 PM

i'm so glad i'm not driving yet. I'd hate to have to deal with this kind of stuff. i'll drive eventually, and when i do, i'll be sure to learn from others mistakes. If not, then i'll have learn from my own, if i make it that far, that is

Carno 01-20-2005 07:44 PM

You guys think parking a car is hard?? Try parking planes wingtip to wingtip, where you either have to come in sideways and do a sharp 90 degree turn, or go in backwards.

pinoychink790 01-20-2005 07:46 PM

yeah, that's true, but anything is hard if you don't have experience. You can't expect to automatically be good at everything. Sometimes you need to work at it before you get better at it.

keyshawn 01-21-2005 03:30 AM

Reminds of a time a year or two ago, when my family went out to eat.

My dad, not realizing it, did a shaft job of taking up 2 spaces in the mini-van.

Then, when we returned to the car after the meal, we found on a business card [that was preprinted, someone must have them pre-printed] on the back windshield:

THANKS FOR TAKING UP 2 SPACES
U ASSHOLE

Jackebear 01-21-2005 05:05 AM

What a great article...I enjoyed reading it. He is right on.

I was lucky too I guess, my old man taught me how to parallel park and I am now a master at it. I have even been walking down the street and seen people try to park their cars, couldn't, went to their window, told them to get out and I'll do it. And did it in 10 sec. This has happened 3 time in the past 10 years. Kind of funny actually.

What irks me a little more are people who think their Mustang or whatever is actually a Ferrari or Bentley. They then proceed to park on an angle and take up two spaces. Jeez...come on. If your car is that important to you, go to the back of the parking lot and do that. Not in the front.

Crisis 01-21-2005 05:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carn
You guys think parking a car is hard?? Try parking planes wingtip to wingtip, where you either have to come in sideways and do a sharp 90 degree turn, or go in backwards.

I find it easier than parking a car :P Seems more to be more responsive.

warrrreagl 01-21-2005 05:36 AM

Why do SUV drivers feel compelled to back into all parking spaces? The only thing I can figure is that they believe it is easier to leave a parking space if you're facing forward rather than trying to back out of one. But isn't it therefore just as damned difficult to back INTO one as it would be to back out of it??? What exactly are they solving?

shakran 01-21-2005 05:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by warrrreagl
Why do SUV drivers feel compelled to back into all parking spaces? The only thing I can figure is that they believe it is easier to leave a parking space if you're facing forward rather than trying to back out of one. But isn't it therefore just as damned difficult to back INTO one as it would be to back out of it??? What exactly are they solving?


It's easy to back into a parking space in an SUV/van because you don't have to worry about side traffic in the back. Backing OUT of a parking space, you have to get over halfway out before you can see to the sides, at which point you might already be in a wreck.

raeanna74 01-21-2005 06:11 AM

Parallel parking has always been difficult for me. It took me many many hours with my mother in my car, yelling back and forth "I got it." "You're to close." You're too far away." I'm FINE. Let me do it." Till I finally got the concept down. It's a LOT about practice. I failed my first drivers test. Honestly I believe the woman (I had 3 other friends who were excellent drivers and she failed them too.) didn't believe in letting a kid pass the first time around. She failed me because I was too CLOSE to the curb. Dunno how that happens but anyway. The second time I took the test I knew one of my weaker points the first time had been the parallel parking piece. So when I went to take the test I had practice so many hours I couldn't even count them. The guy got the rest of the test out of the way first. Finally he had me parallel park. ON AN EMPTY street. I was relieved and irritated at the same time. Here I'd perfected my parallel parking technique and wasn't given a chance to show off the HOURS of practice. I passed and I guess that was my main goal. The practice has now set in me in good stead. I still hate parallel parking (especially with a stick) but when necessary I know how to do it without being too close to any other car or the curb for that matter. Now I tend to get a little picky and if my front wheel is 6 inches away from the curb while the back in only 2 I tend to futz with things going back and forth till it's perfect. I'm sure there've been a few people inside stores watching my waffling the car over something so insignificant. Oh well. At least you can say I'm not one of those who parks diagonally between straight lines in a parking lot. And I AM one of those "soccer mom's with 3 and 4 kids in the car".

yournamehere 01-21-2005 08:56 PM

I discovered years ago that a person's parking skills are inversely proportional to the size (and cost) of their vehicle.

Rlyss 01-21-2005 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by warrrreagl
Why do SUV drivers feel compelled to back into all parking spaces? The only thing I can figure is that they believe it is easier to leave a parking space if you're facing forward rather than trying to back out of one. But isn't it therefore just as damned difficult to back INTO one as it would be to back out of it??? What exactly are they solving?

I don't drive an SUV (I switch between a Camry and a Lancer, both sedans) but I reverse into parking spaces 99% of the time, and I reverse into my driveway. I find it easier and quicker and even more accurate for me to reverse in than to go head-first. In fact if I go in head first I often have to reverse out again to straighten up. It also makes leaving the car park so much easier, just drive on out.

Reversing in is safer since you're more visible to other drivers when you're doing it (because you go from the road into the space, so they see you the whole time). Reversing out is hard because other drivers don't always see your reverse lights, and you can't always see someone else until you're halfway out of the space. But this is all personal preference, that's just how I like to do it. If someone can go forward in and reverse out without any problems (99% of people can do it just fine) then everything's peachy :)

dirtyrascal7 01-21-2005 09:59 PM

what i've been doing lately is finding the nicest car in the lot and parking beside it because you know they aren't going to be careless with their car. or there's parking beside a curb... that way at least one side of my car is "protected".

however, honestly... the worst parking job in the world doesn't bug me as bad as someone leaving their shopping cart in the middle of the lot.

seriously... wtf? i can't think of anything more inconsiderate than someone leaving a shopping cart someplace that is "convenient for them" but obviously in the way of everyone else. okay, i better stop talking about this before i get really pissed.

have a nice day. :)

roderickpsu 01-21-2005 10:04 PM

I love watching someone back in and out of a space trying to get an equal spacing between them and the two vehicles beside them, but they don't do anything correctly in terms of making this happen...they will back in and out ten times before they give up and have to squeeze out their door because they are so close to one of the vehicles..it's hilarious!

slimshaydee 01-21-2005 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by warrrreagl
Why do SUV drivers feel compelled to back into all parking spaces? The only thing I can figure is that they believe it is easier to leave a parking space if you're facing forward rather than trying to back out of one. But isn't it therefore just as damned difficult to back INTO one as it would be to back out of it??? What exactly are they solving?

it's alot easier for a bigger car to back in and drive straight out. When you are trying to reverse a massive car out of a carpark it can be a bitch with all the cars coming and stuff. It's easier the other way.

slimsam1 01-22-2005 02:51 AM

I thought you folks would like this,

http://twypo.com/etc/misc/parking.jpg

(see this thread)

cyrnel 01-22-2005 03:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by roderickpsu
I love watching someone back in and out of a space trying to get an equal spacing between them and the two vehicles beside them, but they don't do anything correctly in terms of making this happen...they will back in and out ten times before they give up and have to squeeze out their door because they are so close to one of the vehicles..it's hilarious!

I put that in the same drawer with the force that pulls your bicycle off the edge of a sidewalk curb no matter how much weight you try to move "uphill". It's like a gravity well caused by distant black holes. I can't point to the source but I can see the effect in any parking lot.

Just a few weeks ago my brother and I watched a couple do the parking hokey pokey in a Staples lot. Full daylight, no kids, the woman wasn't screaming, they were just impaired. The guy must have become frustrated, or they just decided the store wasn't important so he tried to leave. I say tried, because even that didn't work too well. He slowly pulled forward in a wide arc (not nearly at the steering limit) and bonked into a pickup that was parked at the edge of the lot. We blinked at each other and got his plates as he backed away and drove off. Had he turned just slightly tighter he'd have cleared the pickup easily.

"Fascinating"

TexanAvenger 01-22-2005 08:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FngKestrel
I love the fact that parallel parking was taken out of the parking test, probably because too many people were failing it. :hmm:
/sarcasm

I've seen this trend where if the tests are too hard, instead of wanting to fail more people, they neuter the tests. Not just in parking but other activities too. :|

I remember taking driver's ed (after already having been taught first on a stick) and having the instructor tell me that I didn't really have to have just parallel parked it. Then he proceeded to tell me that he didn't even know how to do it.

That was the moment I realized just why I hate driving: The other people on the road don't know how to drive, let alone park. But when the instructors themselves don't know how to handle a car properly it's a sign that the whole system needs an overhaul.

edit- slimsam1, that is awesome. I feel like printing off a bunch of those to keep in my car.

sanjuanworm 01-22-2005 08:43 AM

i wonder what the figures would be comparing non-injury parking lot accidents to normal street/highway?
i see alot of fender beders in parking lots

MoonDog 01-22-2005 01:48 PM

I have a thing about parking, and it drives my wife craZy! I'll pull in first, back out, straighten up, pull in, crack the door to inspect the line positioning for straightness, then ask the wife to do the same thing. People who park me in so I can't get in the car get either an earful of new, inventive cursewords, or they get a note (if I have paper with me.)

Scorps 01-22-2005 02:20 PM

I can park pretty good for driving a huge van. Its just the other people that can't park!

Dostoevsky 01-23-2005 09:11 AM

I don't really think the manner in which people park is all that important. I mean, people aren't causing accidents or injuring others by parking a little crooked. Is it a pain in the ass when someone is coming into your spot? Sure. Is it such a big deal that I would publish an article on it? No way. Get a life dude.

cyrnel 01-23-2005 09:27 AM

^^^--- Bad Parker Above Alert! ---^^^

Get my pitchfork.

yellowchef 01-23-2005 09:41 AM

uh yeah, hello places with limited parking like parking garages you need to be able to park. I cant stand it when I go to school and I have to pass 10 good parking spaces to get to one bad parking space all because some 'tards park all messed up. I love it when the Crown Vic on Dubs parks in like 4 parking spaces or the SUV who takes up the 2 spaces backing in because hes in a rush..

forget parallel parking, theres 6 spaces in front of someone, or too close or halfway out in the street...

Im a parking Nazi, I have to be STRAIGHT and in the MIDDLE of the space

I cant stand it when people leave their wheels turned either. I fear theyre going to run into me.

Peryn 01-23-2005 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by warrrreagl
Why do SUV drivers feel compelled to back into all parking spaces? The only thing I can figure is that they believe it is easier to leave a parking space if you're facing forward rather than trying to back out of one. But isn't it therefore just as damned difficult to back INTO one as it would be to back out of it??? What exactly are they solving?

Its hard to explain until you have to do it. But...

This one is basically a matter of geometry. SUVs and trucks have a longer wheelbase, and since (usually) only the front set of wheels turn, you naturally have a larger turning radius. This means you have to start your turns earlier to make it in. Since the back wheels dont turn, you are basically pivoting on your back axel. If you line the front of the car up with the spot, so that at full steering lock you will just make it in, the back wheels are still even with the car next to you. When pulling forward into a spot, the front will rotate in, but the back wont do much, so the side of your truck will pull in and hit the bumper of the car in the next spot.

Now, when backing in, you can align your back axle with the spot you want to enter. The fron swings around and you dont hafta worry aobut hitting anything on the side.

That didn't explain well, so maybe some really crude pictures will. The front of the truck is pointing to the right --->

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/...7/f55db500.jpg
See.... when pulling in your truck might hit the guy next to you. The isle is rarely wide enough to get far enough away to make it work.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/...8/f55db4fa.jpg
When backing in, this isn't an issue . When pulling back out, the aisle is wider than the spot, so you have room to make the turn when pulling forward.


Maybe that didn't help at all, but once you have to drive a full size truck, it doesn't take long to realize you often HAVE to back in if you want to park.

Cynthetiq 01-23-2005 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Dostoevsky
I don't really think the manner in which people park is all that important. I mean, people aren't causing accidents or injuring others by parking a little crooked. Is it a pain in the ass when someone is coming into your spot? Sure. Is it such a big deal that I would publish an article on it? No way. Get a life dude.

I don't know where you live but plenty of bad parkers here in NYC can reduce drastically the already small amount of parking available.

Personally I think the article is more of a social commentarty about how people only care about themselves and fuck the rest of the community.

Squishor 01-23-2005 10:32 AM

I think I do a reasonably good job of parking, especially after my daily driver was a 1963 Dodge pickup for about 9 years. That plus my job at the auto body shop, where I had to squeeze as many vehicles inside the shop as possible before closing at night, gave me some fairly decent skills. My parking skill undergoes a drastic reduction when I get tired though - it's embarassing! Still, I don't see how people can go around leaving their vehicles to shoddily parked. Have they no pride? It's mystifying. I had a job in our local downtown shopping area where the street is one-way, and I used to get a lot of entertainment out of watching people try to parallel park on the left side of the street. They'd go at it six, seven times in a row and still mess it up, leaving their cars all askew and halfway into the next spot. I must have watched dozens of people scrape their wheels on the curb, it was an endless parade of parking mishaps. Why this was so difficult is just baffling.

FngKestrel 01-23-2005 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peryn
Its hard to explain until you have to do it. But...

This one is basically a matter of geometry. SUVs and trucks have a longer wheelbase, and since (usually) only the front set of wheels turn, you naturally have a larger turning radius. This means you have to start your turns earlier to make it in. Since the back wheels dont turn, you are basically pivoting on your back axel. If you line the front of the car up with the spot, so that at full steering lock you will just make it in, the back wheels are still even with the car next to you. When pulling forward into a spot, the front will rotate in, but the back wont do much, so the side of your truck will pull in and hit the bumper of the car in the next spot.

Now, when backing in, you can align your back axle with the spot you want to enter. The fron swings around and you dont hafta worry aobut hitting anything on the side.

That didn't explain well, so maybe some really crude pictures will. The front of the truck is pointing to the right --->

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/...7/f55db500.jpg
See.... when pulling in your truck might hit the guy next to you. The isle is rarely wide enough to get far enough away to make it work.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/...8/f55db4fa.jpg
When backing in, this isn't an issue . When pulling back out, the aisle is wider than the spot, so you have room to make the turn when pulling forward.


Maybe that didn't help at all, but once you have to drive a full size truck, it doesn't take long to realize you often HAVE to back in if you want to park.

Awesome, Peryn. As crudely drawn as that is, it makes perfect sense. :thumbsup: :lol:

kutulu 01-23-2005 04:11 PM

I'm glad everyone here is a perfect parker, where are all of you when I go to the mall?

It's parking, get over it. You have no idea what the conditions were when the person you are all pissed of at were like when he parked. Maybe the guy next to him parked all fucked up and the only way they could fit in is if they also parked bad. Leaving notes or swearing at someone is so immature.

That "article" was the worst self-rightous wanking I've read in quite some time. The writer needs to get a life (or more interesting material to stroke his ego to).

MXL 01-23-2005 04:35 PM

Bad parking has a cascading effect too. The guy next to your space parks bad, so you have to go into the space off center so you can get out. The next guy up has to park off center. Even when the bad parker leaves, his bad parking legacy remains. It is one of my pet peeves too.

omega2K4 01-23-2005 05:28 PM

I can park good. I'm kinda anal about it, I try to park exactly between each line. If I don't get it right, I back out and try again. :|

boom29 01-23-2005 06:08 PM

Ever since I've had to park on the street I've greatly improved my parallel parking while noticing some bad/inconsiderate parking. But I also realize that a lot of the times it is because of the cascading effect. At times when I go back to my car, it looks like it was me that was at fault for the bad parking.

Slavakion 01-23-2005 06:12 PM

I drive a Ford Taurus, and I try to find a space where I can pull through every time. I also tend to park further away from the destination. Why? I'm not the greatest parker, and I don't want to fuck over everybody else. I'm always inside the lines, but still.

pocon1 01-23-2005 07:10 PM

I live in the suburbs, so my parallel parking skills are a little weak (not that I hit cars or take up too much space, but it takes me longer and I pass up spaces others might take). But otherwise my driving skills are very strong. I do work with people who have grown up in cities and they still cannot park, so parking like all skills, is something that you have to want to learn.

yellowchef 01-23-2005 08:06 PM

the cascading parking effect just makes me park far away.. I hate squeezing into some space and making it hard for me to get in/out or for someone else to get in/out.

Oh well.. I get exercize...

tspikes51 01-25-2005 03:00 PM

Wow. What a great thread. I begin my input with a recount of my first driving experience: My dad's full-bed extended cab '95 Chevrolet Silverado through main street in my home town during rush hour. That's how I learned to drive. I took my drivers test in a '92 Ford Escort (if it weren't the wagon, it would be smaller than a Civic), and did well on the paralell parking. I drove the 'scort for a couple of years, and I loved having a small, manuverable car. When the brake lines rusted out on that one, I started driving my '96 Olds Cutlass Supreme 2-door. It's a huge car, and you can't really see out of the back. I have learned to park fine in it, but for some reason, I can park a truck or an SUV so much easier for some reason.

I do hate people who can't park. I'm gonna start leaving notes.

Scorps 01-26-2005 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by yellowchef
I cant stand it when people leave their wheels turned either. I fear theyre going to run into me.

I always do that and almost hit someone one time...but it was only one time, and you never walk behind a fullsize chevy van when its in reverse :rolleyes:

he_haha 01-26-2005 03:32 PM

I cringe at the thought of a double parker!!! :p

yellowchef 01-28-2005 02:57 PM

hahaha yeah, I dont walk behind cars when theyre backing up, nobody looks anymore.

I get a thrill out of watching parking enforcement write tickets, on Thursday at school I had to pass up 5 good spaces because people were over the line

hunnychile 01-28-2005 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yournamehere
I discovered years ago that a person's parking skills are inversely proportional to the size (and cost) of their vehicle.


Truer words were never spoken!

splck 01-28-2005 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peryn
Its hard to explain until you have to do it. But...

This one is basically a matter of geometry. SUVs and trucks have a longer wheelbase, and since (usually) only the front set of wheels turn, you naturally have a larger turning radius. *snip*


Maybe that didn't help at all, but once you have to drive a full size truck, it doesn't take long to realize you often HAVE to back in if you want to park.

Just as Peryn says, as soon as you drive a full size truck you'll learn that backing in is the only way to go.

It works just like parallel parking...you always back in to parallel park...at least you're supposed too.

Cycler 01-29-2005 08:09 AM

I think it is a situation where people don't care how they park or they park badly on purpose.

Slavakion 01-29-2005 08:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirtyrascal7
however, honestly... the worst parking job in the world doesn't bug me as bad as someone leaving their shopping cart in the middle of the lot.

seriously... wtf? i can't think of anything more inconsiderate than someone leaving a shopping cart someplace that is "convenient for them" but obviously in the way of everyone else. okay, i better stop talking about this before i get really pissed.

have a nice day. :)

My parents do that. I always tell them to put the carriage in the corral, and they say "It's that kid's job". Yeah, just like it's my job at the fast food restaurant to pick up trays, trash, and broken salt shakers. People make it my job.

samiam 01-30-2005 09:04 AM

When I learned to drive, many years ago, I spent countless hours learning how to parallel park and became quite proficient at it. Parking lots are a different story. Where I live, they have been narrowing parking spaces to get a few more dollars out of each lot. This means that with a full sized car, I am parked with my wheels on the lines. Unless I park in an end space, I can barely open the doors. This does lead to a lot of very bad parking. The only solution I have found for me is to park is a lesser used part of the lot. My point is that some of the terrible parking in lots is the fault of the lot design and the rest is the fault of poor driving.

anti fishstick 01-30-2005 11:55 AM

i'm not the best at parking either and I never learned how to parallel park because it wasn't in the test. I've been able to avoid parallel parking because I just park in parking lots or parking garages.

1slOwCD8 01-30-2005 12:46 PM

I think im rather good at parking, maybe better at angled than straight, but still decent either way. Parallel parking, now thats a different story, ive maybe had to do it twice and it took like 20 mins to do it and it still looked like crap. Im also starting to back into spaces, but only if theres no one behind me in the space, cuz i cant see where the ass end of my car ends, so i stop where i think its right, and the nose of my car is like 2 feet out of the space. Im getting better though. I also really hate it when 2 SUVs park beside me so i cant see shit when i back out. I usually just go slowly, and i just think, "ok, this is the point where theyve got to see me by now" so ill just go for it. As maybe stated before, a lot of bad parking probably starts from one person parking bad, and everyone else parks bad because of them.

ling ling 01-30-2005 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FngKestrel
I love the fact that parallel parking was taken out of the parking test, probably because too many people were failing it. :hmm:
/sarcasm

I've seen this trend where if the tests are too hard, instead of wanting to fail more people, they neuter the tests. Not just in parking but other activities too. :|

Wow, really? I was so nervous about that test. My mum and I practised it for hours the day before, and I am proud to say, I am pretty good at it. Backing out around corners, however, is another story.

flamingdog 01-30-2005 03:29 PM

I've lived on two pretty busy streets where parking was kerbside and tight. Unless you want to park two streets away and hike, your parking skills sharpen up pretty good. And it's really not that hard, once you do it a few times. It's one of those things you need to be able to do without thinking about.

yellowchef 01-30-2005 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by samiam
When I learned to drive, many years ago, I spent countless hours learning how to parallel park and became quite proficient at it. Parking lots are a different story. Where I live, they have been narrowing parking spaces to get a few more dollars out of each lot. This means that with a full sized car, I am parked with my wheels on the lines. Unless I park in an end space, I can barely open the doors. This does lead to a lot of very bad parking. The only solution I have found for me is to park is a lesser used part of the lot. My point is that some of the terrible parking in lots is the fault of the lot design and the rest is the fault of poor driving.


They have done this at my school..the 3A and 4A floors since theyre used the most, they have tiny parking spaces..if you park in the lines good..fine.. go for it :) I like you

but if you ever have even half of a second thought.... you have 6 other floors to pick from.. I say park your car elsewhere.

georges 01-31-2005 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AquaFox
i hate bad parkers, my car has never once been parked outside the line, today i was parking on a side lot of a building that wasn't plowed, i pulled the handbrake and slide sideways into the spot, opened the door, checked to see if i was in the spot, and turned the car off :D , hell, i can even get perfectly into a spot when drifting in to it on the snow and ice, yet the average person can't do it when driving head on.... they just don't care

Slick mate. :)


I can't drive yet(not old enough) but i have practiced it where i live when my dad has been in the car teaching me, parking didn't seem that hard as some drivers make it look.

FngKestrel 02-15-2005 02:54 PM

Turns out someone has made a bumper sticker to address our aggravations:

http://www.iparklikeanidiot.com/

SitizenVZ 02-16-2005 08:12 PM

I wish I could parallel park well, fortunately there is always another spot just aliitle bit away that makes lit unneccessary!

TexanAvenger 02-16-2005 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FngKestrel
Turns out someone has made a bumper sticker to address our aggravations:

http://www.iparklikeanidiot.com/

I've a 10-pack on the way...

little_tippler 02-17-2005 03:50 AM

Here in Portugal bad driving is the norm. Of course, so is bad parking. And yet, we have a written exam and also an obligatory 30 hour-long lessons in driving, where you're taught all the rules of parallel parking and others. I admit though that once I got my license and a new car, I couldn't parallel park anymore. Mainly because my new car had reduced visibility in the rear, and also assisted directioning (or however you call it?) and the one I'd learnt in was an old jallopy. But I'm now proud to say I practiced and can do it well. I hate bad parking, it makes me mad. I've gone to the trouble of leaving people notes when it's plainly rude the way they have parked. Just imagine, a row of parked cars all facing forward. And then some ass comes round in his BMW and parks it perpendicualr to that. How can you not fume?!

Cynthetiq 02-17-2005 06:59 AM

having just been in Madrid and Gran Canaria...

Bad parking is not a local phenomenon.

Captain Canada 02-17-2005 11:14 AM

Seriously, some people just never learned how to park.


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