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billys 07-27-2004 12:52 PM

Definately real but people suffer it in different ways, some cope well, some dont cope at all... some seem to cope but get destroyed on the inside...

Being part of the first two groups is much more preferable to being in that last one...

Nisses 07-28-2004 01:54 AM

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Originally posted by Halx
That makes no sense at all - at least not to me. The chemical reactions that take place in my brain that have an effect on my body are VERY real.

That's the point I'm trying to make, if stress doesn't have a basis in physical reality, an anti-depressant, which is a mixture of chemicals, shouldn't be able to influence it

Cadwiz 07-28-2004 01:34 PM

I think that stress is something that is mainly self induced, but produces real symptoms in people. The severity of of the symtoms are totally dependent on the person. My grandmoter had a refrigerator magnet that read, "stress is what happens when the mind overrides the body's urge to slap the shit out of someone who needs it."

ForgottenKnight 07-28-2004 03:19 PM

Environmental stress caused me to overload my mind and sink into a clinical depression where I became suicidal. How can stress not be real if chemicals have an effect in countering it?

Bentley Little 07-30-2004 09:29 AM

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Originally posted by TM875
It's the self's pressures to conform to the environment around the self. That means, it is created by humanity to deal with its natural surroundings. Thus, stress is NOT real.

This falls under the same paradigm as Einstein's debate on the reality of time. If we, as a society, arbitrailily create something - does that mean that it is real? Time almost certainly does not exist, for it is something that our selves use to represent ourselves. Therefore, under the same logic, stress does not exist because it is something that humanity has created to express humanity's natural surroundings. The effect of stress occurs, but only because the psyche allows itself to feel that way.

Saying stress is real would be like saying that schizophrenics see real people when they hallucinate.

I would like to add to this by saying that stress is not a "physical" thing. It is an intangible. A few years back, I read an article discussing the reality of stress and it made me think. Stress is not a physical thing, but rather the result of our fears, worries, excitements, etc. For example, I may have a huge mid-term coming up and I would say that I am stressed. I am not "stressed", it is that I am fearful of not passing or doing well. See, emotions are real, based physiologically and mentally and chemically. We can quantify these by how fast our heart beats, how high our blood sugar is, etc. When we feel stressed, it is actually our emotions, but because we can feel many emotions at once, it is easy for society to place a term to this and subjectify as stress. Yet stress is a collective of emotions.

Bentley Little 07-30-2004 09:32 AM

Sorry, I tried to find the article, I know it was in Psychology Today but no luck...

Nazggul 07-30-2004 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by TM875
It's the self's pressures to conform to the environment around the self. That means, it is created by humanity to deal with its natural surroundings. Thus, stress is NOT real.

This falls under the same paradigm as Einstein's debate on the reality of time. If we, as a society, arbitrailily create something - does that mean that it is real? Time almost certainly does not exist, for it is something that our selves use to represent ourselves. Therefore, under the same logic, stress does not exist because it is something that humanity has created to express humanity's natural surroundings. The effect of stress occurs, but only because the psyche allows itself to feel that way.

Saying stress is real would be like saying that schizophrenics see real people when they hallucinate.

There is nothing in Einstein’s theories that would indicate that Time/Space is not “real.” Time/Space is real and is relative to the reference frame to which you belong. Using it as an example to prove that stress isn't real is beyond a rational argument.

The term "stress" is a label we've used to articulate a real experience. Call it whatever you want, if someone on the street stopped you and put a gun to your face you would feel stress. There are physical manifestations of this stress in your autonomic nervous system. You may begin to sweat, experience “tunnel vision” (high degree of focus on the event that is causing the stress), fear or "fight or flight" response would trigger, etc., etc.

Edit: Gramar

07-30-2004 11:59 AM

First of all, stress is anything that effects us. There's distress (bad - which most people just call stress) and eustress (good).

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Originally posted by Nisses
if stress doesn't have a basis in physical reality, an anti-depressant, which is a mixture of chemicals, shouldn't be able to influence it
Of course stress has a basis in physical reality. If it didn't, we wouldnt be able to feel it. Your entire personality and every emotion you feel is caused, at least in some part, by the chemical make-up in your brain. Stress is part of this. Certain chemicals being released give you a 'stressed' feeling and your body responds to that. Therefore, and anti-depressant (made up of chemicals which counteract the chemical imbalance in a 'depressed' brain) is actually very useful (assuming you have the right combination).

/hoping that made the kind of sense I wanted it to.....

Bentley Little 07-30-2004 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nazggul
There is nothing in Einstein’s theories that would indicate that Time/Space is not “real.” Time/Space is real and is relative to the reference frame to which you belong. Using it as an example to prove that stress isn't real is beyond a rational argument.

The term "stress" is a label we've used to articulate a real experience. Call it whatever you want, if someone on the street stopped you and put a gun to your face you would feel stress. There are physical manifestations of this stress in your autonomic nervous system. You may begin to sweat, experience “tunnel vision” (high degree of focus on the event that is causing the stress), fear or "fight or flight" response would trigger, etc., etc.

Edit: Gramar

Call it fear. Not stress. No such thing. See previous post.

Nazggul 07-30-2004 12:14 PM

Fear is just one part of the response to stress.

Bentley Little 07-30-2004 12:21 PM

Damn, nazggul, I think we are flipping back and forth between Martha and stress.

Bentley Little 07-30-2004 12:22 PM

But stress is not real, we define the emotions we have as stress, but it is a made up concept derived from the collection of emotions we feel to put a name to it.


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