My arguement against "The Passion" movie
 

The film release of “The Passion” directed by Mel Gibson seems to have inspired audiences across the world. Unfortunately the viewers are following this trend like lambs to the slaughter.

The only publicity this movie needed was encouraging anti-Semitic perceptions. The movie doesn’t seem too anti-Semitic except for that Jesus is a white guy. Why doesn’t he look more Jewish? Gibson tried to make a more accurate portrayal of The Passion by casting Italians as co-stars but they’re still technically too light. Jesus wasn’t white no matter what you see on the screen.

For the ignorant who blame Jews for Jesus’ death, Roman soldiers beat him and put him on that cross and Pontius Pilate wasn't that sympathetic in The Bible. If Jesus had been born in another part of the world those folks would be getting blame for crucifying him too. Jesus knew he was going to die, it was part of the plan, otherwise we wouldn’t have that whole forgiveness for our sins part. So no blame should be placed. Remember it was our sins that put him on that cross.

Why do so many people want to see this movie anyway? They can’t read the Bible or go to Church? People are so dependent on the media, that they will believe everything in this movie and forget that it is only Mel Gibson’s perspective on the matter. Try to educate yourself first. It seems like no one knew Jesus died in such a bloody way until the movie was released, even if this event has been a staple of the Christian faith for awhile now. Gibson was smart to make a movie of The Passion instead of one that focused on Jesus’ teachings. Who would pay to see that? That would be way too boring for people to watch. People only want to watch when someone is getting flogged and crucified. Kind of like that crowd following Jesus as he carried his cross to the hill.

Also why all these churches buying huge amounts of tickets to give to their congregation? That money could have been better spent on charity than Hollywood. I guess no one is bothered by the fact that Gibson is out to make a dollar off of Christ’s suffering as entertainment for the masses, that’s what movies are entertainment not a substitute for religious beliefs.
As for you people that went to see the movie, why didn’t you just go to church instead for two hours or volunteer for a good cause? You already know how the movie ends.

If you have to see Christ brutally murdered in order for you to become sympathetic and religious again, I think you have bigger issues. If everyday life doesn't remind of the horrible atrocities people are able of committing against each other and the suffering that goes on daily, maybe you need to quit being so self involved. Just remember that when you’re caught up in your religious frenzy while seeing this movie, mob mentality killed Christ in the first place.

umm please feel free to write any response, good or bad you have on this article, I'd be interested to hear your thoughts.

I agree with you a lot on this one - I've been saying things similiar to what you are.

Another thought on The Passion: I find it highly ironic that the same lunatics that condemn entertainment today for "too much violence, sex, etc" are the same people who champion this movie - a movie about a man being brutally tortured and killed. Just because it was depicted in the bible, does that make it a less vile act than any other violent movie? I think not.

Just out of curiosity, did you go see this movie?

Nope I refused too, based on the fact that after being raised Catholic I've seen Jesus depicted this way all my life. Plus I've seen ennough of it on TV. I don't like watching alot of violence no matter what's it's supposed representing. I can use my imagination. Thanks for the reply

I don't think it has as much to do with not knowing, more in the form of reminding us.
I agree with this, in today's society people are too lazy to sit down and read the Bible. People don't have the attention spans to sit through services at church. Many people in todays society would rather sit down for an hour and a half to two hours and have someone else tell them what to think, do or say.

I personally do not attend church, since I began reading the Bible and disgussing it with my grandfather I question the need for the church, personally. I can praise God and be a religious person without a church affiliation, and I can do all the good charity things that the churches do, by myself. I can give to others and help those that I can if I put my mind and heart into it.

I find that more often then not everyone wants to hear about the horrors of something or someone rather then the rest of their life. Drama sells, and how much more drama can come from the bloody, gory mutilation of one of the most holy figures in religion? Would the churches pay to have their members see a movie in the same manor about some guy no one had heard about? No, in fact they would do their best to discourage everyone.

If at some point I'd lost you, I'm sorry, I have this bad problem with not being able to focus when talking about a broad or open topic.

No way you lost me, you where totally clear! I completely agree with you! After attending a catholic school we had a really imformative bible studies teacher, which helped to explain the bible and even the really weird stuff about it (some of it is kinda freaky) . but i also no longer attend church because like you I think being a good person and helping out others is what God would like to see. I'm catholic, but not very strict, I flat out don't agree with alot of stuff the Catholic church says, so like you, i've kinda formulated my own perceptions of God. which I think is great because you shouldn't take anything at face value, you should believe because of your own convictions, even if they don't follow along with any church. I think it's a very open minded approach and it's neat to hear of someone who has the same mind set! :D

When you see the movie then you can tell what I should think about it.

I find it ironic that you say that people are too dependant on the media, but yet everything you know about the movie was derived from that same media.

I make it a habit not to review movies I haven't seen.

i liked it a bit..hey different strokes for different folks..i think its all that you get out of it...why bash how other people like to worship or practice their religion?

I have seen it and I am not trying to tell you what to think of it, but more am telling what I think of it. That's why it called my opinion if one does not like it, one does not have to listen.

@ Luki - I think your defensiveness is unnecessary, as I suspect the comments are directed towards people who try to 'review' something without seeing it.

I'm not reviewing the movie at all, I'm making a point about people only remembering their religion after having to see a movie. does it say review anywhere is the thread?

I mention nothing of the movie or how it was made or what I thought about it contents.
expect for the casting of light skinned actors to portray middle eastern people. that I did see on TV

I already know the crucifiction story,

Also once again, I didn't bash at all how anyone worships their religion. Unless you have to go to a movie theater to do it.

Did you guys even read anything before posting?

Yes the herd mentality people have started I got from the media

You could question the reasoning behind why would anyone want to see Natural Born Killers or almost any movie.

This is boring.
I don't know why I replied.
sorry

People went to see this movie because they wanted to see a movie about Jesus' suffering. Not because they wanted to be informed on what the Bible teaches. It's selling well because people are interested. What's wrong with being interested? Would you rather people go see a violent movie about Jesus, or a violent movie about drug dealers?

Again, you're answering your own question. People do not go to see this movie to be informed about Jesus. They go to see Mel Gibson's portrayal of how Jesus' experience was. This isn't Bible School, this is a movie, and people want to see if because for the same reason they see other movies: they're interested.

It's the same thing over and over. The churches are buying tickets to go and see the movie because they want to see a portrayal of Jesus' experience. They want to see a portrayal of it. No one that sees this movie thinks it's a substitute of religious beliefs. The statement that Mel Gibson is only out to make a buck by making Jesus entertainment, that's simply wrong. Mel Gibson paid for this movie. Every dime it took to create it came out of his pocket. Did he know it would do well? No. He made this movie because he wanted to show his portrayal of Jesus, not because he wanted to teach religion and not because he wants money. I think Mel Gibson has enough money.

No one is seeing this movie to "become religious again." They want to go see a movie that's about Jesus. Is there something wrong with that? Would you rather the general public NOT want to see a movie about Jesus? I think it's damn good thing that the public is interested in the movie. A hell of a lot better than the world not being interested, anyway.

-Lasereth

Do you want an award? I know the story of Christ too. I'm very Catholic. But to see it in person... see the pictures and scenes played out in front of you is far more emotional then reading it in a book. That was the point. It's wasn't so you could get pissed that Mel cast a "light-skinned" man as Christ or to make being religious trendy. Get over it.

You seem to play out your name well. Being cynical about something involves being slightly ignorant on the subject.

Watch the movie then pass judgment on it’s impact.

I was going to respond, because I thought I understood what you said, but I re-read this statement and I have no idea what it means.

Oh, and I think that Danny Glover's character in Lethal Weapon 2 should have been hispanic. Ruined the whole movie for me.

Main Entry: cyn·i·cal
Pronunciation: 'si-ni-k&l
Function: adjective
Date: 1584
1 : CAPTIOUS, PEEVISH
2 : having or showing the attitude or temper of a cynic; especially : contemptuously distrustful of human nature and motives <those cynical men who say that democracy cannot be honest and efficient —F. D. Roosevelt>
- cyn·i·cal·ly /-k(&-)lE/ adverb
synonyms CYNICAL, MISANTHROPIC, PESSIMISTIC mean deeply distrustful. CYNICAL implies having a sneering disbelief in sincerity or integrity <cynical about politicians' motives>. MISANTHROPIC suggests a rooted distrust and dislike of human beings and their society <a solitary and misanthropic artist>. PESSIMISTIC implies having a gloomy, distrustful view of life <pessimistic about the future>.

I don't see anything that says it's ignorant.

I've seen a moderator call religious members here bigots (although he did edit himself after being confronted) and now one insinuates a member is ignorant.

I don't think that's appropriate behavior for a moderator.

Let's look at the definition of moderation shall we ?

Main Entry: [2]mod·er·ate
Pronunciation: 'mä-d&-"rAt
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): -at·ed; -at·ing
Date: 15th century
transitive senses
1 : to lessen the intensity or extremeness of <the sun moderated the chill>
2 : to preside over or act as chairman of
intransitive senses
1 : to act as a moderator
2 : to become less violent, severe, or intense
- mod·er·a·tion /"mä-d&-'rA-sh&n/ noun

Am I going to get banned for pointing out the blatant obvious truth ?

HYPOCRITE:

One who banishes or punishes others for the same behavior or style of speech he commits

Thanks for saying that moderators get away with saying stuff that we can't, i wasn't gonna point it out, out of fear of getting banned. You should moderate the moderators:lol:

Now you are just being ridiculous, please don't post unless you have something valid about the subject to say.

My point was missed again, it was that audiences would be more willing to see a movie where Christ was portrayed as white. The reception of the movie wouldn't go over so well if Jesus was more acturately depicted as middle eastern descent. Go ask a theologian. The Discovery channel is the only place where I have seen Jesus and his disciplies portrayed as middle eastern.

The movie has fundamental flaws which people are going to take seriously and as the truth

I believe that Jesus' death on the cross was more important than his teachings. Jesus did not have to die on the cross that day, He chose to die.

Yes, I read the Bible, and I "know how the story goes". I did not see the movie to take an easy way out, or to put money in Gibson's pockets. I saw the movie to remind me of Jesus' ultimate sacrifice. It's one thing to read about the suffering that He went through, it's an entirely different thing to watch it portrayed.

i find it humorous you make the statement they have to go to the theater to worship, suggesting it was their only type of worship or that they went to the theater to worship at all - you make this statement after you acknowledge many people went with their church. which means they obviously have other means of worship. did you ever take into consideration the people went not as a method of worship, but because they felt it was a movie they would enjoy, since they believe highly in their religion? it was a movie that reflected their beliefs and they went out for an evening of entertainment. have you never went to a movie for entertainment because it interested you?

I agree, it is a ridiculous statement. I was trying to point out the fact that the skin color of an actor has nothing to do with the message of the movie.

I don't need a movie, to make an impact on me, the fact that it happened was enough for me. Try going to Rome and seeing the stairs Jesus walked up, before he was condemned to die. You can only go up thte stairs on your knees out of respect, seeing that is far more emotional than any movie.

Also apparently the movie hasn't had much impact yet, nothing seems to be getting any better around here.

For predujuice Chrisitians and groups like the KKK I thtink it would change thte message of the movie and encourage them to be more accepting of other races.

I don;t think watching someone die is entertaining.

do you think Jesus would considered spending time in a movie theater more acceptable than church or helping people in need like Christ did?

Why is it entirely different? What about before movies and TV? I wonder how those Christians survived.Jesus tried to teach us to be forgiving towards one another and take care of each other, hence the reason more gospel space is devoted to his teachings than his death


Jesus didn't choose to die, we killed him, our sins put him there. His human side shows when he asks God why he has to die and why does it have to be so horrible. He knew it was gonna to happen to him since he was 12 yrs. old. God choose him to die

Word. Go see themovie before you base judgement on it.

Okay let me break it down for all of you to lazy to read posts before getting your own to cents in.

I'm NOT repeat NOT reviewing the movie, I have not mentioned any technical aspects of the movie inlcuding acting, camera angles, lighting, clear depiction of it's message, suspense, emotion etc. I write movie reviews for a paper i know the difference apparently some of you do not
I'm commenting on the uprising it has caused and how most people don't recognize thte hypocrisy of making entertainment and a profit off of Christ.

Frankly, if you believe that, than you've got a lot more faith in humanity than I do. And furthermore, if you do believe that seeing a darker-skinned man representing Jesus on a movie screen would affect religious groups, doesn't that in some manner contradict having faith in people at all? That is, to be affected religiously by a movie - in my opinion - is a fairly shallow view of religious belief.

I'm not trying to instigate anything here; rather, i'm trying to point out that it's obvious you've already taken your stance on the subject. There's really no "discussion" here; you stated a belief/view you're not willing to change, and refuse to acknowledge any good points anyone else makes. In my humble opinion, there's really no use for posts like this on this board.

I've gone to see the movie. I'm also thoroughly deistic; I don't believe there ever was a Christ. And I still thought it was a good story, because in essence it can be applied to anyone who's ever died for their beliefs, whether or not those beliefs are correct. To me, it was a story of courage. I'm sorry if that kind of message isn't acceptable to you because of the particular character cast.

Yes, I find it highly ironic that you would criticize people who have gone to see a movie without seeing it for yourself first. You can think you're correct all you want, but you also undermine any authority you might have on the subject simply by remaining willfully ignorant. In no manner do I want an ignorant person telling me what the movie is. You can know "the story of Jesus, as told in the Bible" all you want, but we were discussing a movie.

You made the mistake of assuming the definition of YOUR idea of
moderation is the same as the TFP's definition of moderation...

Who gives a damn on what YOU think moderation should be. When you joined, you read the rules, you know how to be here.
If you don't understand the HOUSE RULES, you are just plain ignorant, and need to get regulated.

You need to remember, this is OUR house, to hell what YOU think.

You are not one to tell what you think or how someone should moderate or get regulated. I don't come to your house and tell you how to treat me, so think about it for a sec....

You don't like it or have a problem with that, PM me and I'll close your account and then you go off to find yourself a happy place somewhere else on the internet. Until then, STFU, follow the rules and become a productive person in this community.
... and CG & Demon Deacon, you are starting to BORE me with your needless attempts to draw and bait the attention of the MODS into your trollish ways. I don't know what has you "twisted" but I implore you to STOP.

Some people get it into their minds they have to "fight the power" and really have no idea of when or who to fight...

2nd warning...

I never said I had faith in people, you did. I think it is shallow to be religiously affected by a movie, that's what the whole thread is about, is that what you meant to say?

I'm not trying to tell you anything about the movie. If people need a quick reminder, go for it, my mother and plenty of my friends have seen the movie the movie for crying out loud. If you are interested about the story of Jesus go see it but I think people should not solely rely on it. They skip over alot of important stuff. I agree the most with treericetissuses statement about having an interest in something but you should get more info.

Spoken like a true diplomat. And I have said anything personally attacking anyone. I'm not fighting any power, just trying to get my point heard. And alot of the Mods aren't insulting and rude, I like Sin, Lurkette, etc. and value their opinion. But you seem to have decided to pick on me for whatever reason. Please don't read my posts if they bore you so.
BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU!!

Jesus chose to die. Read the account in the garden. When the soilders came to take him away, Simon drew his sword and cut one of the soilder's ears. Jesus told him to put away his sword and told him (paraphrasing here, I don't have my Bible in front of me) "Put away your sword. Don't you think that if I asked, my Father would send legions of angels to come to my aid". Jesus could have stopped the crucifixion if he chose to, but he chose to die on that cross.

My apologies...this is turning into a discussion for Tilted Philosophy.

This isn't about Big Brother is watching, its about your attitude in this forum.... I don't have to watch your post, I just have to watch YOU. Guess who got tired....?
/me gets the BooMSticK out.....

(WINDS-UP)

*FFFFFWWWwAAAAPPP!!!!!*

Tell me about it another day....

Next?
/me raises an eyebrow in Demon Deacon's general direction.....

did this whole thread start from someone who has not even seen the movie? my moderator hat is off and i have to say "how can you even begin to criticize that with which you have no experience ?"

Don't forget, the church makes money of christ to.

It seems that strong emotional replies or views are a prerequisite to censorship and deletion.

This thread is simply ridiculous because the topic starter thinks that people go see the movie to worship Christ instead of going to church. That's bullshit. It's a movie, and they go to be entertained. If they're informed about Jesus, that's great, but it's not the point of the movie.

It's one thing to judge a movie before seeing it, but it's another thing to say that those that see it are substituting it for their religious practices. It simply doesn't add up. Not a damn person has said that the movie is a substitute of church.

-Lasereth

There's a difference between being emotional and being a rude smartass. This is the Tilted Forum Project, and the mods are equipped with Anti-Smartass cannons. Let the shells fly!

-Lasereth

No, being rude and disrespectful are prerequisites to censorship (only if absolutely necessary) and deletion. Continued behavior of this type is grounds for banning, as is coming back after being banned.

I think you are confusing skin tone with race. The darkest Pakistanis are Caucasian. The lightest Egyptians are Negro. The only difference is dental. The size and shape of the molars is the key difference, not darkness.

So then, you're saying that if a person got overly emotional about one certain subject and got themselves banned it would be for life.
Even though that the subject matter may have been a controversial topic to begin with such as religion,politics,laws, moral values or policies etc.

Someone may get overly emotional about a controversial subject and actually show their flawed humanity.
Especially if they felt they were being abused or attacked in a derogatory insulting manner. They also might feel defensive about their views when a majority of people speak to them condescendingly. They lose control of their emotions temporarily and they would never be allowed to come back.
THEY ARE HUMAN.



This site is fantastic.

;)

People get plenty of warnings when they are on the verge of going "out of bounds" in terms of TFP's rules -- I've gotten a couple myself. To suggest that the moderators are unfair because you don't understand the rules to begin with, is foolish.

Lastly, this is a free private site. If you don't like it, feel free to go elsewhere.

I saw it. Boring and nauseating. I closed my eyes and tried to sleep after the whipping started. It blended without concern for consistency various apocryphal traditions to produce a specific carefuly crafted inflammatory image.

And their aramaic/hebrew accents were TERRIBLE, I couldn't understand what they were saying half the time. If they were going to make a big deal of using the authentic language they should have put in more effort.

The new yorker has been tweaking its nose at POTC for the past few weeks. All true haters should pick up a copy it's pretty funny.

Yeah
Maybe I should leave because my opinion differs from yours.:rolleyes:

I fully comprehended what was said.
Banishment from this site was said to be permanent even if someones bad behavior was temporary.
It seems you failed to see my point.
That many people deserve a second,third or even fourth chance.
To ban someone permanently is *stops*
That all humans have personality faults and lose their tempers occasionally.
never mind
If you didn't understand it the first time there is no use in continuing.

P.S.
As for the mods giving multiple warnings to members before they ban them: Lets just say I know better from first hand experience and am not that gullible.

I was at one distant time found guilty in a court of law by my peers. I was given all the opportunities to appeal. I did so,
guess what, still guilty as charged by my peers.:(

It still haunts me and follows me for life. I wasn't given 2or 3 or 4
chances. I lost my temper once,I knew all the rules.
The TFP isn't my house. I'm a guest and as long as I don't act a fool my opinions and thoughts are respected.
The TFPs rules are simple. If you have problems here you won't make it to long in life either. I wish the mods here were on my jury.

Just sliding off the topic a little
:cool:

right

The comparison of this website to an actual court of law was brilliant.
You don't seem to be still in jail or banished from society for life ?
So, I guess you did get that second chance.


lmao @ your other comment.
If someone has problems here they're going to be a loser in life.
More genius

Re: My arguement against "The Passion" movie
 

Why do so many people NOT want me to see this movie?

I'm gonna give you an answer that no one else will. Yes. You act like a raging fucking retard then you will get banned. Opinions can differ all they want but when you talk down to me or any one else here... you get banned. Don't be fuck up. Just be yourself. And if you happen to be a fuck up. Bye.

See the key to sticking around here is to not try and fight everything everyone says (like you have). For the most part you just need to post you opinion and go about your meaningless life. Don't be a bitch about it. Don't walk in questioning my judgement. And most of all... don't fucking talk back to me. You don't know me or anyone else here so you best bet is to hang out and see how everything works around here and be nice. I'm sorry but you don't have the power to run everything in your life... every once in a while you will have a 22yr old, 5'6" 125lbs freak from Denver, Colorado tellling you what to do.

Thanks for you time.

I started reading about halfway down the first page (from king's post, since cynicalgrrlll was so kind as to report it), and then I balked as I skimmed through the rest of the thread.

you want some definitions?

Passing judgments on a movie you haven't seen, and generalizing anyone who would want to see that movie? That's ignorance.

Complaing about how the masses blindly follow the media, when that same media was your only source of information for the topic you're discussing? That's hypocrisy.

Trying to tell us how to moderate our site when you are just a guest? "darling", that's lunacy.

Cynical, I can't say that your posts have made any impression on me other than "this girl needs to get away from her computer and smile in the sunshine." I used to be cynical myself, and it's a depressing lifestyle.

You want to call us hypocrites when you think we're breaking our own rules? send us a PM, or send another mod a PM... when you drag it out into public and try to make it a spectacle, you aren't going to look very good for it.

Saying you were ignorant of the subject wasn't exactly an insult. ignorance is pervasive, we're all ignorant of one thing or another. I have yet to see the film (although I plan to eventually, and guess what, I'm atheist, not a christian looking for another shrine where I can worship my white deities), so I'm ignorant about the film and what it contains, beyond what I've heard on TV or from others who have seen it. I don't mind being ignorant and I don't mind being called ignorant because I know I don't have all the facts. This doesn't stop me from seeking the truth.

Ignorance is a state of unknowing that can be changed. Stupidity is the inability to change. Ask yourself, which are you?

by the way, you said Jesus was not white. What color was he? I don't think he was black or yellow, they were not in that part of the world.

.... sigh...

here is an example of stupidity. When you get banned, you are gone. When you are dumb enough to admit that you've been banned before, you don't get a warning.

In other words, if you aren't welcome, why come back to try and stir up trouble? Is your life really that empty??

...and now this thread has officially derailed into having nothing to do with the original topic.

If anyone has something to add about what was discussed here, please feel free to PM me or another Moderator about it.

Threads are not the places to have out your personal cheese with the mods- especially when you're just a banned ex-member with nothing better to do with your life than come back and be a pain in the ass to everyone and spout inflammatory nonsense.

If you have a grievance, PM a moderator or report the offending post. We're here to help, but we can't help you if you're going to be a raging asshat every time we offer advice (usually in the form of friendly suggestions).

Thanks to all those who really participated, my hat is off to you. :)

p.s.- there is also already a thread on this movie in Tilted Entertainment, called The Passion, which is the other reason I'm closing this thread. Please use that thread if you'd like to continue discussing it.

Thanks :),

-analog.

Also adding on to Deacon Demon's reply:

NO, not all BAN are permanent.....