F@*KING MARINES!!!!

[high_way]

ok as the title says, FUCKING MARINES!!!!

i will summaries the artice as best as possible but here is the full link for you all as well...

http://townsvillebulletin.news.com.a...E14787,00.html

ok last saturday night there was a uni student out at bullwinkles (a local night club) and he ended up having an argument with 2 marines (they are at port in townsville {my home town} for a little while). well anyway one of the marines decided that he didnt like the uni student, and got into an argument with him, and decided to smash him in the face and hit him over the head with a bottle.

well when the uni student decided to fight back another marine grabed his head from behind and stabbed him in the neck with knife and the knife dragged across his neck.

well yeah that just pisses me off. we open our city to these fuckers and they try to kill some poor guy. granted they were having an argument but nothing you argue about at a club is worth killing over.

just gets my blood boiling

ps sorry to any marines or service men or women out there, not saying you are bad, just these 2.

[feelgood]

Harsh...

Ya gotta remember that they might have been drunk but there's no excuse for killing another human being...

[Milopost]

Hmm... pay someone to fight and kill, and wonder what they're gonna do. But I digress...

As often as i pick fights with people, (and when i say often, i mean not-often... even) I would never try aggravate anyone packing a military demeanour or training.

[Cynthetiq]

it's all about my sig and apparently we know which side he fell on.

[Phaenx]

Smash someone in the face with a beer bottle because you decide you don't like them? Sounds fishy, especially considering it was a college student.

That said, don't mess with Texas. (<- non-sequitor. take that).

[sailor]

OK, they killed him. Bad, they should be punished, and they will.

But dont extend your hatred to all Marines. I know quite a few of them, and without exception, they are very good people.

Cynthetiq hit it on the head.

[high_way]

Originally posted by sailor
OK, they killed him. Bad, they should be punished, and they will.

But dont extend your hatred to all Marines. I know quite a few of them, and without exception, they are very good people.

Cynthetiq hit it on the head.

im not saying i hate all marines cause i dont. i havent had much to do with them but i dont judge a book by its cover, im just pissed that these 2 tried to murder someone. luckly the didnt sucede. sorry to anybody who thought i had a hatred for marines, i can see how that came through.

[water_boy1999]

Something is a little quirky about this story. They guy was stabbed in the neck twice and had the blade dragged across his neck.....ONLY 23 stitches? I have had a lot of stitches in my day for cuts, slashes, drill holes, shards if glass, etc.....point is, 23 stitches is kind of a scratch compared to how they are describing the story. You would think from the reporting that the guy's head is about to fall off.

Ok, ok....I am not justifying what they did. Bad, bad, bad! It is a shame that 2 people who represent our country could do something as stupid as this.

[tritium]

If you guys don't bury these two, then we'll take care of them. Nothing like a good old, military court marshal ...

Matter of fact, they had better hope for a conviction in your courts, because US military prison presents a far grimmer future.

[cchris]

Originally posted by sailor
OK, they killed him. Bad, they should be punished, and they will.

But dont extend your hatred to all Marines. I know quite a few of them, and without exception, they are very good people.

Fuck me swinging

He's not dead yet.

He's pining for the ..............................


Aaahh.Doesn't matter.

[onetime2]

Hmmm, the story sounds remarkably one sided. I suspect there is more to it.

Not to minimize the assault, but what the hell is someone doing picking a fight with drunken Marines?

[cchris]

And another thing.

There must be more to this story than meets the eye because ALL MARINES that have visited our shores in the past have always been "out of the spotlight" and have conducted themselves in a manner that is "low profile",media wise.

Smells like three day old fish.

[Lebell]

I think the title of this thread should have been "Fucking Murderers".

Maybe they were Marines, maybe they were white, maybe they were Catholic, whatever.

All of those are non-sequitors to the fact that they are murderers.

[Seaver]

Let the Military Courts take care of it. As said above... the military can, and WILL always take harsher measures than a civilian.

[moonstrucksoul]

^^^ i am sure they will, it reflects horribly on the Marine Corps.^^^

and there is no way that they should be allowed to leave Australia, i don't want them back ever.

I don't think it has anything to do with being a Marine- my dad & brother are former Marines. It has a lot to do with their "tough" mentality & most likely in a drunken state.
Of course there is no worthy reason for what they did, but don't blame them as Marines, look at them as human beings making a bad move. Hope something justifiable happens to them.

[Seaver]

They are trained to kill, simple as that.

They are not murderers, they are not animals. They are people, people make mistakes. Sometimes the training they recieve gets used in negative ways against civilians. To compensate they are held to a MUCH higher standard than the average joe. But as said, mistakes are made, and they are punished severely when they do.

It reflects bad upon the entire military, who I think we can all agree, in the West are extreamly respected. The military wants to keep this, and these soldiers will be punished quickly and effectively.

Originally posted by Seaver
They are trained to kill, simple as that.

Yikes, well if that's true, then that's a pretty low purpose of being a Marine. Trained to fight, maybe- besides getting a good education and experience. But to kill?

[christoff]

Originally posted by Lebell
I think the title of this thread should have been "Fucking Murderers".

Maybe they were Marines, maybe they were white, maybe they were Catholic, whatever.

All of those are non-sequitors to the fact that they are murderers.

one difference, though, is that marines are TRAINED to kill, as the regular person just gets lucky.

[Plan9Senior]

I'll have to play devil's advocate and say that for the most part, the marines I have met seem a little off in the head and are always quick to get into a fight. They breed killers in the marines. The story doesn't suprise me (however I find it hard to believe the opposite party was totally innocent).

^^^ and I know I may be sounding defensive here, but you haven't met many Marines- besides my dad & bro, I have known quite a few others and they all have been respectful and not having a macho, fighting attitude.
Hey, a lot of Military people act tough, it's not just the Marines. But what about the non-military people who go around shooting or fighting people all of the time?

[SecretMethod70]

Sorry, but this is bothering me that so many people have commented as such, even after someone corrected the error.

THE GUY IS NOT DEAD

Now, what the 2 guys did was an absolute outrage, but don't go calling them murderers when they did not murder anyone. Not to mention that, as someone else pointed out, 23 stitches is VERY suspiciously low for "attempted murder."

The guys were drunk, they acted terribly, and they should face the consequences of that. I'm not trying to diminish the fact that they were in the wrong by ANY means, but the story presented here DOES seem to be extremely one-sided. Things just don't add up.

[Soggybagel]

First off what they did is obviously not right and in fact downright bad. The second thing though is the fact that there is clearly more to the whole story than we know. The fact that they are marines shouldn't matter at all.

In all seriousness who just gets in a fight. Something was said and I bet both parties were drunk. The way it was described though does in fact sound pretty bad yet only 23 stitches?! I've had more for a little cut above my eye!!!

[ChrisJericho]

Something about the article that I noticed.....

"when Wilson, an African American with a shaved head, got into an argument with the student and punched him in the face before smashing a bottle on the side of his head, drawing blood"

It is interesting to me that the paper goes out of the way to specify that one of the alleged attackers is an African American with a shaved head and not just an American Marine.

But anyway, there will always be a few bad apples in a barrel. The actions of a few dishonorable Marines should not reflect the nature of the majority. I also completely agree with the Australian Judge's ruling not to let them leave the country.

[mingusfingers]

I dunno, I'd treat is as any other barfight, involving anyone.

[GuttersnipeXL]

Originally posted by ChrisJericho
... The actions of a few dishonorable Marines should not reflect the nature of the majority.

It shouldn't, but it does. These guys are supposed to be representing my country. How does that make me and other U.S. citizens look? What if two Australian soldiers pulled something like that here, You know at least half of the people who heard the story would be like..."Australian sons a bitches...I hate Australians..." and the jokes about them would fly. Even more so if they were say, French. All I'm saying is that it does reflect upon everyone else.
It's just another thing to hear about, that makes me absolutely irrate.

[jasonresno]

You should not base a marine on this incident, most likely these two marines were drunk sick...they should be....well punished badly. There is no excuse for it, but don't let that make you hate all of the servicemen and women of the marines.

[powerclown]

I wouldn't think it a good idea to pick a fight with 2 marines anywhere, never mind a bar.

[Plan9Senior]

Originally posted by :::OshnSoul:::
^^^ and I know I may be sounding defensive here, but you haven't met many Marines....

Hehe, that is pretty presumptuous of you to assume .

[high_way]

Originally posted by cchris
And another thing.

There must be more to this story than meets the eye because ALL MARINES that have visited our shores in the past have always been "out of the spotlight" and have conducted themselves in a manner that is "low profile",media wise.

Smells like three day old fish.

i would disagree with that. when we get them up here we know about it. its is good for the economy because they spend a lot of money, and they have been in a few fights. we have a thing called the bad boys comp (basiclly fighting no holes bared) and a couple of years ago 2 went in and got their asses kicked then got into shit by their mps when they left.

as for everyone saying that the story is probably one sided and that there is more to the story, i agree, but isnt that the case with most journal articles? still what ever happened shouldnt be an excuse to try to kill someone.



also as i have said, i am not trying to stereotpye marines as ruthless murders and the such, because i havent had anything to do with them. although i dont know any, i could imagine that they would have a similar arragant attitude to the ajs we have here ie: im better than you so dont mess with me.

[santafe5000]

Not defending the Marines, but this is not the first time a local has gotten the short end of the stick when getting into a fight with an American serviceman. The second Marine charged was just doing as he was taught, backing up a fellow Marine. It was not right what they did, for sure. They should have left the place at the first sign of trouble.
I was on a US warship that was visiting Hong Kong in 1971. A large group of us were in a bar, in town. The jukebox had the tune "Battle of New Orleans " on it.
After playing constantly for what seemed like hours, The group of British sailors finally broke. It was a real barroom brawl. After all was said and done, 4 British guys were in the hospital and 12 of us Americans were in the Hong Kong Jail. We were allowed to leave only under the escort of the Shore Patrol and not allowed back onto the Island for the rest of our port stay.
What we did was not right either, but we didn't start the fight, just finished it.

[omega2K4]

Why the fuck are the United States Marines in Australia?

[kel]

Drinking is an excuse for NOTHING...

[jasonresno]

I'm not defending them, but if they weren't drunk sick I bet they wouldn't have gone as far as that. But still, NO EXCUSE.

[Fire]

on the issue of stitches, I had 23 stitches to close the surgical incision that runs from the top of my right arm at the shoulder to the elbow- how many are required may vary a hell of a lot- also depends on what type of stitch is used- I know this because my case was subject to considerable explanation to the interns at the hospital- the thrust of it being that it was bad to use too many stitches ( at the time I thought 23 was not enough either, if your gonna close it up, make sure it stays that way) anywho, the number of stitches is usualy less if its a cut made by a cutting instrument, rather than a gash or rough/ripped open type of wound......

[Damnfinn]

No way in Hell would I want to spend time in a navy brig. The marine guards have no sense of humor. Those two jokers are in for some hard time.

[bundy]

i've made quite a few attempts at replying to this thread.

i am utterly outraged by the behaviour of these marines, in a host country (my own), attacking and seriously attacking some student (like me).

no excuses. they are an absolute disgrace to the American military and since the Marine corps is a respected and important representative of the USA, they are a disgrace to America as a whole.
if an Australian soldier committed this act in a foreign country i would be deeply ashamed.

why was this Marine armed?
surely thats something that needs to be looked into.

i also wonder, what was this student thinking? why was he anywhere near a bunch of marines who'd been drinking?

Originally posted by SecretMethod70
Not to mention that, as someone else pointed out, 23 stitches is VERY suspiciously low for "attempted murder."

thats odd. he was stabbed in the neck. does the amount of stitches you receive make the difference between attempted murder and assault??

[Soggybagel]

No it doesn't. We just found it odd that it was only 23 stitches. The reason the marine was armed could be a number of things. The fact that he had a knife isn't that shocking though. I mean it could have been a knife from the bar or just his own personal one.

[thejoker130]

They australian government ought to aprehend those two strap some bloody steaks on 'em then drop'em off over the reefs

...reef sharks are notoriously nasty

and anyway it isn't a soldiers job to kill...sometimes they have to
but their job is to protect life.

[meembo]

Captain Kangaroo, who died last week, was a Marine in Korea. He came back to the US and decided he didn't like children's programming, so he came up with his own.

Marines are Americans, and I'd b willing to bet that crime convictions within their ranks are close to the national average.

I'm outraged by useless fucks like Joseph Smith in Sarasota killing 11 year olds after putting them through hell