Privacy of our Journals
 

I was reading springrain's journal and some of the comments posted on it and I want to know exactly how private our private entries are. I couldnt find a straight answer from the responses on how private these private entries really are. Art goes on his usual oh-so-philosophical rant and is of no help at all.

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Why not? I post in my private entries with a very high expectation of privacy and I dont expect lurking eyes to go through it. I've posted several extremely personal stuff and other information that should never be seen by others.

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According to Art, So does this mean that the mods go through our private entries and censor out our personal thoughts? If so, this is truely disturbing. Nowhere did i see a warning that somebody else might read my entries. I assumed by the word "Private" that my entries will be private: to myself and myself only.

I mean, i don't want to be a prick, but i thought that journals might be some kind of safe haven. Theres a sorta contradictory statement in that they say journals are meant to be representations of our thoughts, but if we're thinking anything negative about the site or whaetever, then we are not allowed to think that! I thought that was a bit of a crock. Whoaitz (sp?) summed it up well in his final entry, which he ceased cause he didn't want to be told what he could or couldn't think?

That said, i also dislike people just bitching in there between their other journal friends, cause they might feel it's safe cause they want get any one differing of opinon.

Art has a point as well, in that it's a sign of bad manners if we are just bitching out the site all the time, just cause it's not fair to you. It is bad manners.

so i don't fucking know, i am indecisive :lol:

I don't get involved with politics really, on this site either, so i don't really mind too much how it is run cause i am usually enlightened by the site, in some way, and just "get over" other sorta nonsensical not so important stuff that doens't really affect me unless i want to feel that way. That's me though. I can see valid points flying around everywhere????

new rules were posted re: the journals just today...

this is something new i guess...

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I've never posted private entries but if this is the case than I am incredibly pissed off. Why have private entires if they aren't private?

I'm starting to think that the journals are pure bullshit anyway. Your own thoughts on anything? Private entries? :rolleyes:

People always liken this site to visiting a friends house. Of course I'm not going to bitch and moan at a friends house, but if I'm treated unfairly I'd sure as hell speak up.


As another note... I'm not "site bashing" or anything like that. I like it here. But recently things have been going down hill I think. I've seen a lot of people voice their opinions and then be banned. Yes, there is probably a lot of behind the scene things going on. But it also seems that many egos are getting in the way of the way of things.

Hell, as far as I know the things I'm saying right now could be bannable offences. It's hard to tell.

It should be labled "Between me and the mods" :P instead of private.

If you want to write something down, and not make it posted to others, why not use notepad on your system or some other similar method? Anything you post on here or any messaging system is posted in a MySQL database, with whoever that has access to it can read anything purely "private" anyway. Writing it down in notepad and offline will make sure noone else can read it. I don't think there is a big expectation of privacy with anything run by someone else on the internet.

The mods here probably have a good sense of us with expectations of privacy, but no offense to the mods I wouldn't trust them with that. If you want to write something truly private, you can't really rely on someone else to keep it that way.

Of course you could move the old-fashioned paper journal, that way even haxxors can't read it. Plus that method of journaling has wireless access anywhere. :)

it's as reasonably private as any system in place on the internet.

it's not open for ANYONE to look at, but those that manage and administer the systems.

it's a matter of ethics that the journals information stay with the administrators and staff and not be divulged by anyone.

as a technician I was privy to many personal items by many powerful people. Would it be right for me to act on it? Would it be right for me to publish a book airing out someone else's laundry? Of course not, and I think it's a shame that other trusted people have violated that trust in the vein of publishing a book or making a name for themselves.

It should be stated somewhere that Private journal entires can be seen by Administrators and/or Moderators. If it is stated somewhere please point me to it because I don't think I've seen it.

It should be common knowledge that administration includes access.

Cynthetiq posted the issues involved well.

You won't find any other system in place on the Net.

We follow the guidelines he stated above.

call me completely stupid & naive...

even though the admins have access (of course they would, they wrote and created everything here)... i would be surprised and disappointed if admins actually abused that power and opened, read, intruded or anything of the like on private entries.

if it says "private"... it gives the user the idea that it will be kept private... and that only under extreme circumstance (site crash, data base trouble, etc.) would a private file ever be viewed.

if that is not the case here... in a place that talks of respect and integrity... then i am deeply disappointed.

What she said.

If you haven't seen the pattern of site bashing and other implicit person bashing that existed and still exists in PUBLIC journal entries than yes you might want to describe yourself as you have - that's not my call. The actions that have been taken to relieve certain people of their burden of membership (as they clearly saw it) were taken as direct responses to their public entries and public statements. As I stated in the context of the above-quoted response, I may be a hardhead but I'm not blind.

looking at the liability issues:

If someone posts something in the private areas, something of criminal in nature, from plotting to kill oneself, harming others, abusing children, I don't think that I need to go on, but these things do happen. There is a legal and moral obligation to do something about it.

Remember it's Halx and BuDDaH that are responsible ultimately for the TFP when it comes to anything legal.

Would I be correct to assume that Halx or BuDDaH go through and read each private journal entry?

no. the logistics make that impossible. both have to put food on their tables and this does not provide that.

Art and I both read the journals very heavily. I'm not an admin so I cannot see the private entries. But it's not an easy task just looking at those posts, then add to it the forums.

i cannot say that it's something that has to be read now. something that has to be read tomorrow, but there is a liablity that they exposure.

i'm going to say, easily, that it's done when there is a reason to do so.

I'm going to make hopefully my last statement on this issue, it's like your mom. She doesn't go thru any of your stuff and you have reasonable privacy. You fucked up something, and she got mad and she tore thru your all your stuff looking for whatever it is that pissed her off. She doesn't go rummaging all the time, just when she found a need to.

Okay, thanks.

Hmm.. well with that last statement should somebody say something like "I'm worried about the status of this site." in their journal, then make a private entry right after an Administrator would look at that private entry? Cause they got pissed off?

I'm not tryin to cause trouble, just trying to understand.

again, logistics rules that type of thing out. it's impossible for anyone single person go thru all what crops up on a day to day basis here.

as art stated it's a matter of patterns of behavior, not single incidents.

I think we all should assume that anything that we write on the internet could be seen by others.

DING! DING! DING! A winner!!!

It does seem kind of wrong to have others going through our private entries, but remember, there is always the option of pencil and paper, so if you really don't want someone reading it, use those. Always assume someone is reading everything you write on the internet, because most of the time that IS the case.

did everyone who posted on this thread get banned?

Not everyone.
But those that sign up with an email of tfpsux@hotmail.com will get banned.

No. Frankly it had nothing to do with the journal issue.

I do not see the problem here. As aurigus said, we all have Notepad. If we want something truly private, we can write it there, and save it on our local machines. I mean, you don't want others reading your private entries, so what exactly is the point of posting them here? Seem to just be more logical to put 'em on your local machine.

Exactly.

Not to mention we've caught paedophiles on our site using the private journals to document their escapades. Prominant ones too (none of your business who). And, yes, we only looked when there was evidence of a reason to.

It doesn't seem that difficult really. If you don't want other people reading your private thoughts, don't store your private thoughts on someone else's property. I just don't see what the big deal is.

Hmmm .. can't help but to reply here. I guess I kind of figured that an online journal or at that fact any journal to be honest is something there is always a chance someone may read. I grew up hearing that if it was something you didn't want someone to know .. then don't write it on paper. Or in this day and age the net applies as well. If it is that private of a thought you need share... talk to yourself and keep it in your mind. Then no-one can read it.

better than anything i'd have said, and i completely agree.

thanks :)

what about our PM's though?

i've pmed people asking for stuff (like porn passes).

is it safe to say that we cant have an expectation of privacy for pms too?

Nope. PMs can be read using PHPmyadmin or thru a vB2 hack that allows admins/mods to read PMs. NEVER, I repeat, NEVER think anything your post at any forum is private even in PM. There are also ways for a user to gain access to your account including PMs.

That said, I would like to think a private entry would only be compromised in an event of LEA subpoena and only to expose malfeasant individuals entries, not to mointor the thoughts of it's members. I can't say I know the details of those that were banned, but I personally don't agree with reading journals in absence of malfeasance. Opinion is just opinion and I know this site doesn't have to support it's detractors but from what I gather only the journal owner and an admin would know that subversive journal entry existed, so I can't agree with it being "site bashing", especially when the journal owner had a mistakenly implicit belief in the sanctity of their journal. I hope this doesn't get me banned, but if it does I know my integrity is sound and that a poster of my type is not welcome here.

to add a punctuation to this, it's important to note that we've been able to identify a pedophile member as a result of the journals... we use our powers, specifically, to make sure this kinda shit doesn't happen.

Just to let you know, I don't even bother with the journals...
AT ALL.

wouldn't it be less of a distraction if the journal option was turned off and just forums were left? still leaves plenty of room for expressing oneself, right?

OK, I'm confused now. Where the hell did that come from? The admins haven't been banning people for their opinions. If they were I'd be banned right now. BuDDaH and I have been going at it like crazy in a thread over in the politics forum for over a week now and I have not been banned, disciplined, or threatened in any way. A lot of you guys seem to be running around pretending this is Russia in the 1950's, where if you say anything the "officials" don't like, you quickly disappear. While that may be a fun paranoid fantasy to hold, it's just not happening around here.

Well I chose to take up the offer of an explanation and get the info straight from the horses mouth and having been in his position on my own board, I completely understand

Look, heres the deal--*anything* you post, write, or transfer on the internet can be read somewhere, in some fashion. Never assume that anything on the internet is private. Never.

That said, I dont know what was said in those journals, only those involved in the recent... issue... know that. I therefore do not know how bad the posts were. I do however think that users should be notified that their journal posts arent private.

Well my post above was an opinion gotten from the info in this thread and info from trusted other members who remain nameless. My opinion is just that, and I know it changes nothing and I didn't post it with that intention or with the intention to create any more drama. Let me just say that I've come here and been very careful about things I post to avoid the ban screen, and the times I have taken a risk have always been deleted as being too controversial for this forum. I don't like it and I have less desire to contrib but I know I'm low on the pecking order here, a face in the crowd so to speak, so I post it somewhere that welcomes it and chalk it up as a loss.

I see a lot of posters who seemed pretty cool who all the sudden are banned with no way to know why they were banned...the post(s) they were banned for are deleted. I can't figure why whoaitsz was banned save for his final journal entry, and I disagree with that too. He made a stand on how he felt about journal monitoring, and while his entry remains his entire board account is taken away. This guy gave a lot to the forum, honestly more than I have, and his anger shows he felt betrayed by his community.

I know you, the TFP, owe no one anything and it's free to post here, but I think banning a good community member for disagreeing with the leaders of his community isn't the best way to go. I know his tone was vehement, but I think it demonstrates his involvement in the community. He's never been a troll that I've seen. I see this and have every reason to think I'm next. I've posted several times during my time here thinking I'll come back to the banned screen when I log back in. I've had several benign posts deleted, some were understood after a PM, others are still a mystery. If a good poster like whoaitsz can be banned I surely can. That was the reason I said that above.

I like and respect the intelligence of a good amount of ppl here, and I like that flames are controlled, but I definitely feel I post under the shadow of a ban. I make sure my posts are as clear and non threatening and I'm sorry to say, at times PC as possible and I still expect to be banned one day for someone taking something the wrong way. If I feel this way, I can guarantee others do as well.


This place has evolved and still is evolving. Of course there will be kinks to iron out, and I know it's believed you don't have to serve all the interests of your members. But members are human too and vent and spout off sometimes. It's like when your SO really pisses you off but 3 hours later you want to hug her again. I've been in the thick of forum drama as a moderator, and I know a troll from a disgruntled community member. I am just saying ppl should be given less to worry about being banned, because I know I am not alone in my words but I'll let them speak if they wish.

The best way to keep something private is to kill yourself.

The next best way is to keep quiet.

I prefer just keeping quiet personally, though I don't particularly care one way or the other if 90% of my thoughts and feelings are known.

thats great news indeed, but would the child molestor have posted those thoughts if he/she knew that the post was going to be read over by the mods?

i'm not saying that turning in a child molestor is a good thing, but if he govt kept tabs on us, then there would be no crime at all.

It might be easier on the mods, but I like my journal because occasionally I just want to rant about something or ramble on about a topic that no one in their right mind would want to see in a thread.

mods or supermods cannot read private journal entries.

and yes they will still commit the crimes they do. the goverment monitoring doesn't change anything because there are other countires that do more survieling and it's still an issue for them.

~springrain was banned? WTF. This place has way too much hate. I'm packing my bags.

This is not your forum, and this is not a democracy. There are those here who have power, and those who have none. Just be glad that if you don't like what's going on you can leave.
The fact that the admins are looking through journal entries is suprising to me, but on reflection, is a reasonable thing to do on a legal standpoint. I personally think there should have been a prominately displayed disclaimer that private journal entries have to be read to protect the site from legal complications, but it is not my board.

While it is true that the board doesn't belong to the people, without the people there'd be no community, and thus no purpose for the board, either. Right? Which means that ultimately we'll just have to find a way to get along.

I guess the subject matter's already been done to death, but I wanted to share my thoughts as well anyway. As far as the privacy of the journal entries is concerned, I personally never assumed that they would be completely "for my eyes only". That's just the nature of the Internet, and by posting in an online journal I accept the risk.

The issue of free speech, that a few touched on, is another thing entirely. A lot of the time when posting on TFP, I feel slightly worried that I am going to say something, accidentally, that someone will be offended by, and I will get banned for it. I've even expressed this concern to staff members in the TFP chat, and they told me that generally no one gets banned without a warning.

However... I still worry, I guess. I really like TFP, I've no qualms with its rules, and I thoroughly enjoy being part of a community as open-minded and welcoming as this one. I guess that alone is enough to generate concern; when one finds something that they deem precious to them, they want to hang onto it, and worry about making a mistake that will cause them to lose it.

I think what adds to this is that every now and then, especially recently, I see people getting banned, and not knowing why. And not just minors who stumbled on the site and signed up, but members that were here long before I found the place, members whose posts I've enjoyed immensely and whose footsteps I've followed in an effort to become a better member of this fine community. Seeing these said individuals suddenly carry the "banned" label is unnerving, obviously. Probably most so because there is no way to know what happened. That makes one feel a bit...paranoid, I guess, would be the word.

Don't misunderstand - I do believe that the admins and mods at TFP are honest and good at what they do. I don't question their decisions. It is simply that the abruptness of these bannings makes one feel wary of saying or doing anything that might rub someone else the wrong way. Hell, I feel a bit worried just posting these thoughts here, because someone might interpret this as site-bashing - while my intent is nothing of the kind. I am mentioning this because I think others share similar concerns, and I think these concerns are really felt needlessly.

I fall short of providing a solution, though. A thread of explanations of bans? Hardly...not everything has to be explained (what does?) and mods are busy enough as is. I guess I don't have a solution. But I think this open discussion is a healthy step in the right direction - as long as we all keep our cool and realize that each action has a reaction. That's how a community works, after all.

I have seen unmoderated forums before and let me tell you, they all turn to shit pretty fast. Even private unmoderated content can get out of hand.

Well said Prince, but you just gotta remember to say what you wouldn't mind hearing be said, and you'll be fine. And if ever you are overcome by paranoia the Edit button is always your friend.

Is it possible to see a list of people who have been banned?

Skier, you are wrong in your statement. The outlet doesn't belong to the people, but that makes TFP what it is does belong to the people. The leadership has created an environment, but it is the people that made it grow to levels not thought of by the management.

Indeed, Halx and the others are well within their rights to do as they see fit, no matter if we as a community agree with it or not. However, unilateral action on behalf of the management tends to breed negativity towards the management so such actions need to be used sparingly. No, I am not criticizing the leadership's jugdement nor am I questioning the people banned. Mistakes were made on both sides.

It's time to learn from these mistakes and carry on. Hopefully with minimum disruption.

Is an explenation necessary? Hardly, though I believe there is still a public explenation coming because surely Hal will grow tired of answering hundreds of private messages.

Is there a solution? No, probably not. Within any community there will be those that agree and those that do not. It is up to the community to work past these differences to grow.


Edit:

Of course, after I read this I see that Halx has indeed responded. yay me.

Well this is all very interesting. I am sure people have been up late at nights in an effort to keep the crap from washing up over all of our collective shoes. So here are my thoughts.<br> Is it bad that I didn't realize that there was this big of a problem? <br> At first I thought so that I was out of the loop, missing out. But, I think that is in fact inaccurate. I think that really the mods and Halx have done there level best to keep what they see as inappropriate behavior and actions from affecting his (Hal's place the TFP) and their/our (the mods and members) board. So if I didn't know what was going on then they must have been doing a pretty damn good job. While I am not as active as others around here I do like to think that I am an average TFP member and I am pretty observant. While we did have that little pissing match awhile back where disagreements led to others quitting (not much for quitters) I beleived that had passed. It seemed to have simply simmered and now has boiled AGAIN! Please, when are people going to realize that this place is run by a select few who are doing a good job. How can you not have realized that the journals were not completely private!? I mean are they in a safe in your place of residence!? NO!!! They on on a computer half a country away. How could they possibly be private.<p>Jeez I don't know where I was really going witht his but it is amazing to me that this place even continues to exist. In the days of here one day gone the next sites this has been pretty consistant and I think willl remain to that way as long as Hal and his team of mods continue to work as they have been. Make the hard decisions Guys and Gals. I think I like a few memebers will accept them because wether we know it or not you are doing your best for yourselves and us.<p?In closing and I hope some sense was made somewhere in this tome of a response,<p>GOOD WORK HALX and THE REST who keep this place together!<p>Thanks.

Perhaps its just me but your posting your thoughts on the fricking internet they will be read.
If you mark them as private they are still going to be read.
That isn't the mark of intrusion, its the mark of responsible owners.
This is one of the best sites that I've come across and I would only assume that each and everything that I say here will be read as the people who run it have a responsibility to ensure that they are not allowing for activities that can result directly or indirectly in a crime or even something that is morally reprehensible.
That is the respons. that they have as if they don't monitor things they by turning a blind eye could be helping someone get away with child porn, or worse then what ?
If you have a kid and own a handgun you prob. won't leave it unlocked and loaded sitting on a table. You would take all of the steps required to ensure that everyone is kept safe, you don't have to check that its still locked away everyday but you do have to make sure that its done so to start with, and every now and again just check on it.
Isn't that sort of whats gone on here ?

Pretty much.

I don't use the journals anymore (I put mine on my hard-drive), nor do I read others as a rule (either the public entries: I don't care to, or the private ones: super mods don't have the rights), but I know that if it is on the net, expect someone, somewhere to read it.

I can't really understand anyone who doesn't get that.

Oh well.

Suit yourself of course - that's the point of all of this in the first place. Many members had hate for this place and were spreading it through various means (and are continue to spread it through rumors, lies, and allegations in some cases). When that hate and their actions of hate are discovered, it's only natural to relieve them of their burden of being members of this board :rolleyes:

Hate has no place on TFP and those who perpetuate it don't either.

I felt the journal was a place to spout off, without repercussion. They should be where you can go to express whatever you feel, BUT they are public so you must take that into account. Now if you lock your journal, you are therefore saying your feelings are private and therefore you should be safe from any repercussions, as only you should be seeing them. If you do not lock then they become public and you must accept that.

However, after reading Hal's post, I do see how if very damaging things are posted they should be somewhat monitored. After all having a pedophile on the board and if he is posting about his desires whether in journal or not, is something that will destroy the reputation here faster than trying to quietly kick him out. Especially if he/she had left the journal unlocked and left open to the public.

I am as anti-censorship as they come, BUT by allowing pedophiles, rapists, or sociological plagues to infest and post publicly thier deeds or desires, then this site is doomed by it's own freedoms.

I don't believe or agree tho, that people who post negative things about the board should be censored. In fact, I feel negatives should be posted so that they can be explained and worked out. By not allowing negatives to be expressed, (and not everything is or can be positive) you allow the people to become upset and they begin to feel thier voice and thoughts don't matter. That can destroy this site also.

In the end, I believe this site was and is for people who have similar thoughts to come, create make friends and talk about mutual interests and perhaps help each other out.

It goes to responsibility, be responsible for your posts, and the mods won't have to.

so all the people banned were banned because they bashed the tfp?

"Bashing" can mean so much tho because it is a very ambiguous word and subjective to whoever monitors.

Were they basically being childish and calling names, in other words being DESTRUCTIVE with no desire to talk and just trying to cause more problems. OR were the banned banned for questioning and trying to figure out some rules and work on things in a CONSTRUCTIVE and RESPONSIBLE way?

My guess is they chose to try to be destructive, but I also feel that perhaps guidelines on "bashing" since it is becoming a problem needs to be defined. That way in the future there will be no debate over the issue.

No one, and I repeat, no one, has ever been banned or criticized for trying to figure out some rules and work on things in a consuctive and responsible way.

Thank you Bill...... that should put to rest any questions. And I for one am now happy as my questions and thoughts have been answered.

me too. i didn't want to make a big deal out of it but i figured there are people here who i don't want to confuse and would want to know for sure.

bye everyone. it was fun while it lasted.

I wish people would just make clear what the arguments on both sides were instead of skipping around the subjects. "Things... bad things were said... things we don't want to repeat." Meanwhile on the other hand we have "This place has too much hate."

I know people here like to pride themselves on being intelligent higher forms of life, but that doesn't mean you have to skip around everything with fancy-dan language.

I can't believe that so many long-standing and seasoned members would kick off and leave without any good reason. And I can't believe long-standing and seasoned members would be banned without good reason. But beyond that, I have no idea WHY any of this has happened.

Unfortunately, when you have a community like this one that has so many people with differing views of life there will be problems.

What I have gathered from reading posts and talking to a person 1-1 about this, I have come to this conclusion.

Someone got into trouble warned and then banned, for a reason the Higher muckity mucks deemed right. This person therefore proceeded to tell friends and started rumors and just created a bad mojo. These friends instead of reacting wisely chose to believe the stories and bad mojo, and put it upon themselves to try to outmaneuver(?) the people who run the show.

People who run the show tried to be civil, tried to put things to rest before they decided to do the right thing to save the rest of the community the soap opera shit. They warned, they told people who was in charge, and the people banned deemed it upon themselves to continue trying to create problems.

Summary..... person got banned for righteous reasons, tried to make a power play to save face and hurt the site....... people in charge said fuck it we don't need that shit, they got rid of it. Those banned chose not to listen to reason and for whatever purpose chose to fight.

Was there a better solution? Perhaps, but in the end we are guests here and have to maintain a form of decorum and responsibility for ourselves.

This maybe a place to think and talk and make friends but it is also a community and needs policed like any other community.

Can someone please explain to me why ~springrain was banned? From here it looked like all she did was express her thoughts on this matter.

please read the post above yours... pan's post appears to be fairly congruent with the events that took place. All the names that can be mentioned in conjunction with this big fiasco can be linked to the activities previously described (in this thread and another thread). They did so in such a fashion to warrant a 'ban' vote from several members of the staff.

Right now, we're in the process of reviewing each case one by one and some of the bannings are being rescinded. No guarantees.

other thread: http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthr...threadid=45214

I just don't think there is an expectation of privacy here. Trust is one thing, but privacy is another

You'd be surprised at what some people would do.

who were some of these "long-standing and seasoned members" that got banned?

I was just curious and went back to check. I do not see the word "private" actually used as a label or even in regards to the journals. They are just that journals. They aren't called Private Journals so there is no reason anyone SHOULD assume that they are truely private. It's common sense to assume that anything put on the internet ISN'T private. Perhaps there could be a note of clarification though for any newbies to read that the posts that are made "private" are still open to scrutiny. Otherwise I don't think there is any error on the part of the admin.

There are just some things that I do not say or write anywhere. Not on paper, not allowed, not on the phone. There isn't that enough privacy in our world for that. I would definately not record it on a public forum.

If you feel freedoms can serve as a cause of doom. Well, you don't deserve freedom.

Sorry, but freedom and responsibility are always linked. I abhor the thought you've posted.

One can be doomed by thier own freedoms if they do not take responsibility for thier actions.

Example:

I have the freedom to free speech and press. I choose to use those to denigrate a certain minority. (Say I print articles and on my radio show only focusing on the evils of the Martian Colonialistic Followers.) Now by my focussing only on the "evils" can bias all my patrons against that minority to the point where that minority starts to rebel. Fights breakout and people refuse to listen to the other side.

It was my freedom to start this. But am I not responsible for the hatred because I only focused on the negatives of that minority and not on the positives? Absolutely. Was I irresponsible and proving hate, even tho I may never have said anything "bad" just focused on the bad? Absolutely. Did I doom a freedom? Yes, because I did not express myself in a responsible way and society then has to regulate what can be said in order to prevent this from happening again.

Had I focussed on both evil and good from that minority and not provoked the hatred there would never be the need for policing of my actions. Therefore my rights would never be infringed upon.

I know it sounds convoluted and it is because I am a warped individual that has a hard time expressing things without being convoluted. But I hope it kinda makes sense.

In the end what I was saying and I am in agreement with you is freedom without responsibility is doomed.

I don't mean to be insulting, but anyone who posts to a web-based online journal system and thinks it is priviate is a fool.

If you don't want prying eyes to read it (or be capable of reading it), then DON'T POST IT.

Mr Mephisto

The private tag misled some overly trusting people. I would never put anything truly private in there, but then again, I have nothing that I need to hide, like those corpses in my closet, heh heh, everybody knows about those.