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Since when is the Super Bowl Halftime a celebration? And what is it a celebration of? Capatalism, perhaps? After all it is not only the most watched show every year but the one demanding the highest price for commercials. Hell, a few years ago you heard more about the commercials than the game.
For God's sake, people accept the fact that the Super Bowl in and of itself is commercial capitalism at its grandest and that everything done for the show is done to make money. Thereby making such poublicity stunts invariably predictable that they will happen. But I do suppose it keeps the people here at home from talking about Bush's new budget where he cuts the EPA deeply, or from an illegal war that is for oil (after all Bush has come out and said neither he nor his staff said anything about imminent danger or Saddam being linked to 9/11 and since no WMD's found ......) Gotta love this country where scandal and hatred can overshadow the true evils our leaders do. |
Oh my god! a boob! on tv! oh my god!
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OH MY GOD, THERE'S HER BREAST!! ON TV!! OHHH NOOOO!!!!
Geez...it's just a boob. Albeit a kinda nice boob... Eh, I've seen better, and I've seen worse. You'd think that people had never seen a uncovered breast before. On the other side of the coin, as a publicity stunt, of which I have no doubt that this was, this was very cheap. For shame, Justin. For shame, Janet. Oh, and Janet, nice boob, by the way. |
Damn you, Locobot. ;)
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Maybe on another person it would have been less disturbing, she made an "old woman face" in the shot shown earlier. Pretty sad, they claimed it to be unrehearsed at first too.
tsk tsk Media, tsk tsk. |
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doesn't anyone think that she looks like the same monster that Micheal was in Thriller?
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that pic is hilarious, i love the look on both their faces
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I had actually decided to turn the channel during the half time show, seeing as they usually bore me..but wow what a suprise. Did she keep singing? Or did she run off or what?
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The Jacksons are about as American as it can get:
I don't care if its good PR or bad PR...just make sure my name is spelled right. |
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oh... i get it now.. she had an album that was near release date. Of course. It all adds up now... |
of course it was staged, why else would she be wearing that little silver thing on her nipple in the bottom of that outfit
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You know if this happend in europe it wouldn't be a big thing, but here "OHHH A BREAST WE SHOULDN'T SHOW THAT!"
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Aren't all live broadcasts delayed by several seconds so they can catch this kind of thing?
Gotta be staged... |
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justin might be turning into a werewolf. Watch your ass.
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Found something on the CNN.com article:
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Also, according to that article, this even got attention from the White House. Unreal! |
That is what I thought was supposed to happen ^^
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I thought her outfit looked like a bondage suit from braveheart
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There was no way that was unplanned, i mean look at his hand. He has that thing in a death grip, oh he knew what he was doing.
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Jackson just admitted in a written statement on CNN that the stunt was planned. Said she was sorry to CBS, MTV, and that she alone takes the blame.
They were running this byline with the statement: "Nation Recovers After Lone Breast Briefly Visible on TV" |
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It was obviously staged. They pathetically tried to blame a wardrobe error and that the pink bra wasn't supposed to go with it :rolleyes: If that was the case, she wouldn't have been wearing a nipple tassel, and there is no way one bra cup would rip off so perfect like that. |
123 replies to this thread and it's barely been 24 hours...
if we put as much passion and energy into other issues... we could really kick some ass! i really don't see the big deal... it's a nipple people... a nipple... no one would have gotten upset if the nipple had never showed... all the other sexual inuendo is accepted at "status quo"... and most of us think nothing of seeing people killed, multilated and splatted all over the screen... it just seems like a huge waste of energy over something so trival in the grand scheme or "social injustices" |
Release a tit one day, release a single the next.
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I'm not going to budge regarding the damaging nature of sexual-assault mass-media chic. Not going to accept a white kid doing it to an older black woman as anything other than majorly socially irresponsible, either.
We're talking about a giant conglomerate mega-buck mass demographic media power-play when young kids are participating - tuning in to a family-hour event. Totally inappropriate and inexcusable. Kids' minds are totally unable to deal with the kind of ultra-high-powered psychologically manipulative ruined role-modeling and negative self-image bombardment they are assaulted with on a daily basis. The fact that you, as an adult, have some sort of way of rationalizing all this is not on the same level as cramming it wholesale into very highly impressionable young minds, is it? |
She doesn't look very attractive in the picture.
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All I could think about was how much that must have hurt to be inserted in her nipple.
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their whole routine really sucked.....and if it was not staged, why didn't he put the cover back on or she could have at least tryed to cover it up---
let's just hope someone doesn't put it on the titty board... |
no big deal there. but i do have to say nice nipple
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i have to remind myself that this (The Superbowl) is typically marketed as a family event... so, the beast that is "mass-media-mind-control" is crossing yet another boundary... getting harder to delinate the lines these days... between each of our realities... |
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i missed the half-time show, but it appears that i didn't miss anything worth missing.
i just wonder why no one is mentioning those hideously ugly pants that timberlake was wearing. now there's the crime. |
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i love jj as a hot woman but the following sums up my thoughts on this silliness:
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Anyways, I'm with art, et al on this one. I'd elaborate, but Craven Morehead pretty much said all I would. It's sad really. |
I'm with you WhoaitsZ. I can't belive this is so controversial. Any 7 year old kid I know would just snigger.
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This guy has streaked at every major event you can imagine, that is why he is in the Guiness Book of World Records. And now the Super Bowl. Well in Scouse!!! :crazy: |
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If a kid can't deal with seeing a tit it's because the child is being raised by an ultra-sensitive pussy who can't deal with the real world, and certainly shouldn't be rasing a child. I saw shit way worse than this when I was a kid and it was no big deal at all. When I was 3 I remember watching shows on discovery or some shit like that, which were about sex. Those shows showed boobs and other crap like that. I saw a video of a child being born when I was 3. It had a close-up of the chics bloody snatch. So what. Why do you think that a child can't handle seeing a boob? A child doesn't sexualize a boob like me or you. |
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Sixate... i agree with you *GASP*... yes, i agree with you to a point of course. ;) ... it's just a breast folks... sexuality is a normal part of life... as it nudity... to shelter our children from the "evils" of nudity is, in my mind, ridiculous... now... let's add these observations: Nelly rubbed his penis more time than i could count... P Diddy came in like the typical "gansta ... the "hoocie" dancers (yes, that's my interperetation) and everything else pushed the show to an extreme level... yet everyone has focused on Janet Jackson's NIPPLE! she is getting the most flack here... not Justin, not P.Diddy, not Nelly... if someone is gonna scream up the show being too sexual... better start talking about ALL the performers... i have spoke before on my feelings about nudity, the human body, and why Americans get so freaked out over something so natural and beautiful... it's just a nipple folks... a breast... she is a woman... it's really OK. okay... move on to what ART is saying... i think ART is referring to the blurred racial lines and stereotypes that were blatently supported by the entire show... ...a young white man being forcefully sexual with a black woman, while all the world cheers and claps... what i appreciate about ART's post it that is points out the subtler messages in the show regarding reace and violence, expecially when it was marketed toward a family audience... that is food for thought... |
I hope that all pop stars die horrible deaths, and leave me in peace.
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I think children can handle seeing natural human nakedness, no problem.
I do not think children can handle multi-million dollar culture-for-profit campaigns that consist of total-immersion barrages of negative behavior portrayed as cool, chic, or hip by very insidious and outrageously bad role models who are propped up by hugely powerful corporate interests. I do not see the children of this country doing very well under the cynical mega-buck manipulation conducted by the so-called music and entertainment industry. What I do see is kids who are full of negative self-images, full of virulent fantasies of sexual assault, disrespect of self and others, aping behaviors of phony rebellion taught to them by trash culture merchants. I see the insidious effect of the media conglomerates and their amoral marketing campaigns as having a deleterious effect on all of us. My issue is not with public nakedness. You'll recall I defended at length the presence of children at responsible nudist and naturist camps. The difference between what occurred at the Superbowl and natural human nakedness is the issue - not human nakedness itself. |
Heh, yeah, and I was against the children in nudist camps. :p
Weird how that works, huh? Either way, I just don't see why such a big deal is being made out of this. If kids can't handle the bullshit the media puts in their face then parents need to do a better job of teaching them things. What you see as a problem with the media I see as a problem with parenting. |
On a side note, the music industry is totally pathetic, and I'm glad they're getting ripped off.
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No wonder she looked horrified.(Janet Jackson)
When there wasnt anything holding it up, we find there wasnt too much there. or in other words "Where is the Beef"?
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???? -- Not really understanding your point and/or question...
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I take it you've never heard of the Massachusetts Beef-holder? :)
no, sorry, don't have a clue either...probably talking about the sort of sagging look the costume gave her? |
There was no saggage.
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I always thought she had a lovely body. and was delighted to have this little treat. As was Ladyhawke. who is a big Janet fan. |
apparently he's a large breast lover, that or some outfits tend to make people think that someones breasts are larger than they are, and when everything comes out the truth is shown
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Yeah, I think he's saying she's not all he expected her to be. I have a question though...why didn't this go into the Janet Jackson superbowl thread that we already have?
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Now THIS has gone too far:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,110261,00.html CBS is probably going to axe Janet and Justin from this Sunday's Grammy's. That is just plain RIDICULOUS and overboard. I want to see Britney and Madonna banned from MTV since I'm sure more children watch MTV than the superbowl, if it's the children thing we're going by here. Complete BS man... |
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awesome :) I love my tivo.. and if helps people see more B( . Y . )Bs then so be it! |
I wonder if it was on someone's mind to try to take away some of the public scrutiny from Michael Jacksons' trial?
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I was wondering why CBS and the NFL was making such a huge deal out of it. I didn't really think about it being sexual-assualt and a bad influence towards children. It wasn't just the 'breast'. |
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Now both Jacko's are wacko's. |
from the big cheese....
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Yes. One can hope that this may initiate an actual review of what exactly constitutes socially responsible practice. As you know, I believe media conglomerates such as the one(s) in question are so far from operating in socially conscionable ways that it would need to be a sweeping and near-revolutionary internal review. As a result, they will need to respond to the external feedback they are getting from the populations they so expertly exploit.
That's what's happening now and it is a good thing so far. The fact that their responses are clumsy and transparent only demonstrates they are just now beginning to get a clue that they have inadvertently been brainwashing themselves to believe they're somehow not responsible for the results of their actions. |
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There was an incident in Big Bear California 2001 involving a performance art group called the Shower Rangers who did a projectile defacation on stage. Some girls sued and there was some sort of settlement. here's the response from Brian Graden President of MTV at the time, he's now president of MTV and VH1. Quote:
This kind of stunt isn't anything new to their controversies going back all the way to the mid80's where Tipper Gore took to fighting the record companies. Beavis and Butthead, Jackass, and other types along those lines, have kept MTV in an interesting schism of keeping cutting edge and pushing the envelope, to also having to find a responsible way of broadcasting and promoting. |
Yes, I'm aware of what has been done and how MTV likes to think of itself. On the issue of what exactly constitutes social responsibility, we disagree.
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I think it's along the same lines of the government.
one hand does not always know what the other hand is doing, thus creating disconnect and an appearance of irresponsibility. one of the best things that I think comes out of the whole company is the fact that they try very hard to be community leaders from the inside out. |
Cynthetiq, we won't be agreeing on this one and as a horse lover I'm not one to beat a dead one - not even metaphorically.
I did find the following story to be of interest as regards the thread topic: -The Atlanta Journal-Constitution: 2/4/04- Spike Lee blasts Jackson's Super Bowl strip Associated Press CANTON, Ohio -- Film director Spike Lee criticized Janet Jackson's surprise breast-baring during the Super Bowl halftime show last weekend as a "new low" of attention-getting antics by entertainers. There has been a decline in artistry, Lee said while speaking at Kent State University's regional campus in Stark County, Ohio, on Tuesday night. Lee said it's not enough to be a good singer, and that entertainers "have to do something extra" -- such as the openmouthed kiss Madonna gave Britney Spears and Christina Aguilera during the MTV Video Music Awards in August. "What's gonna be next? It's getting crazy, and it's all down to money. Money and fame," said Lee, the director of "Malcolm X" and "Do the Right Thing." "Somehow the whole value system has been upended." ........................ As a creative artist - among other creative people, I have been a voice in the wilderness regarding this subject for a long time. I am more hopeful now that there will be an elevated level of discussion regarding mass-media manipulation of the population... |
I find it hard to believe that CBS had no idea this was going to happen. Even bad publicity is still publicity, and Jackson for one has always been very careful about planning her public appearances. It all seems quite calculated to me, and I don't see why this is frontpage news, really. Celebs are always doing boring bullshit, why call attention to it?
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Here is a view in which the type of bad work that is produced by the people who control the imagery of popular culture is described in terms we may not have considered before:
............................................. February 04, 2004, 8:40 a.m. A Half-Witted NFL? Wasted resource. — Michael Novak A confession: One of the things I have enjoyed about Europe is that at poolside, at the beach, and on the shore of Swiss lakes, European women unselfconsciously remove their tops to absorb the sun. The men seem to be unselfconscious about it, too. For myself, the first two or three times I had difficulty breathing. Like all difficult things, one gets used to it. So the sight of Janet Jackson's bare breast during the NFL halftime show Sunday cannot be said to have shocked me. But the firestorm it has ignited across the nation may concentrate attention on what a colossal moral waste the NFL halftime shows have been for years and years, one or two seasons excepted. Football is a great game of hard work, sacrifice, the endurance of pain, precision, discipline, the love of brothers for one another, guts, spirit, the will to overcome adversity, and intense and sustained determination. Why, then, has the NFL been so dense as to allow its halftime show, year after year, to be a celebration of decadence and degradation? If the moral morons the NFL hires to produce these shows set out to dramatize the last days of the Roman empire in all its legendary sickness, what would they do differently? Who are these seemingly drugged, indifferent, writhing pagan figures they now throw around the platform? These are not living human beings in action, these are sacks of flesh, writhing, grinding, pawing, acting out no higher appeal than bodily functions. They evoke no virtues of the human spirit. It is as if they wish to suffocate any spark of Jewish or Christian womanhood and manhood. It is as if they mean to corrupt, seduce, degrade. A more radically anti-Jewish and anti-Christian assault, embodying the sort of Wagnerian images of pagan disgust and decay that enraptured Hitlerian audiences, would be hard for them to produce. Why does the NFL do this? Why do they want to dramatize in corrupt "art" the very opposite of what they dramatize on the field, in the inherent beauty of football itself? Why do they turn halftime over to people who loathe every virtue football stands for and depends on? There are so many beautiful events in the history of our nation that our children and our families deserve to know, so many glorious episodes to dramatize. Why doesn't the NFL stage a ten-year sequence of halftime shows that tell the great story of the Founding of our nation? For this story embodies all the virtues required by championship football, and many others besides. And it can be done, beautifully and affectingly. One year (was it the Super Bowl after 9/11?), the NFL did stage a very moving tribute to the American Founding and its basic documents; I remember Jack Kemp, among others, reading those resonant words, in a decorous and solemn setting that filled all who saw it with resolve and purpose. But this may have been a film produced in advance, and shown only in the stadium, with pageant and color in silent motion spread out below the giant stadium screens. It may even have been only the pre-game show. Our historians, novelists, dramatists, songwriters, and choreographers have certainly given us a rich mine of works that are the proper heritage of all our people. Why could these not be presented before worldwide audiences? Why can't the NFL support the Herculean struggles of besieged families, and overworked schools, against the horrid drudge of a sick popular culture, and help parents and teachers to fire the imaginations of our children with ennobling images of greatness and achievement? Why does the NFL put our families through the sludge of an exhausted, desperate pagan culture that is going nowhere, and celebrates losers and freaks? Our families have enough enemies to fight through. Must they also fight the NFL? On a deeper level, why does the NFL go against its own nature, beliefs, and strengths? Why does it embarrass and demean itself? For no other event during the year are more Americans focused together on the same liturgical celebration, especially as families, than at Super Bowl halftime. An NFL halftime should feed our minds and souls, and our sense of nobility and beauty, and remain forever a memory cherished by children and families alike. Until now, halftime has been a cultural waste. A broken cistern, yielding no water. A ruin. It speaks ill of the producers who imagined it and set it before us. — Michael Novak is the winner of the 1994 Templeton Prize for progress in religion and the George Frederick Jewett Scholar in Religion, Philosophy, and Public Policy at the American Enterprise Institute. Novak's own website is www.michaelnovak.net. ................. |
nice art.. that's a great article...
Well, the person that I was waiting to hear from has finally spoken. Tom is a great person. He really is a great person. I'm not speaking about if you agree or disagree, but as an individual he cares a great deal about people. He's a very approachable president, he's also concerned about the well being of his staff. If he sees you unhappy he'll for sure ask you what he can do to help you out. -----Original Message----- From: Freston, Tom Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 3:15 PM Subject: Super Bowl Halftime Show The Janet Jackson / Justin Timberlake incident certainly marred the Super Bowl festivities and has led to quite a firestorm. It was a low moment, totally inappropriate, and I want you to know that NO ONE at MTV or, for that matter, at the NFL or CBS, had any advance notice, warning, information, or any indication that it was going to happen. We have fully investigated this, have come to this conclusion, and know that the pending FCC investigation will concur. Unfortunately, some seem to still believe we were "in on this", but we are working hard to change that perception. We will be vindicated, trust me. Our Super Bowl production had great intentions and good planning but fell victim to the perils of live television and a misplaced trust with certain performers. Judy McGrath sent a heartfelt note to her staff at MTV and I have attached it here to share with you. I fully support her strong belief in this company and the good work that we do here. This is a great place and, despite what a few are saying, you should feel proud to be at MTV Networks. |
people are once again making too big of a deal out of something so small and insignificant
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Hmmm, you scanned that off a Tivo? Is there software out there that can scan stuff off a DVD inot still images?
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Anyway Cynthetiq, I think the value in the article by Michael Novak lies in the art-historical references regarding the derivation and esthetic context of the library of pop-culture images that are employed today.
As I've given more art history lectures in my life than I can recall, I have not taken the time to catalog the references Novak lists above. I thought his article could serve as an introduction to that topic, so as it's developed we will have a common frame of reference. There are some huge problems inherent in the types of imagery that are being mass produced for the general consumption of a population poorly prepared to comprehend their lineage and ultimate effect. More (inevitably) later on this... |
A stunt, everyone covering there asses because of public and governmental outrage, of the smut being shown to millions of young children! Oh the joy! Remember the game? I hear it was one of the best ever, but some boob/s decided to take away all the hard work the two teams that played the game had put forth, by using there talent, instead of nudity and pathetic behavior. I wonder, who won again?
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The more I hear about this the more it pisses me off. Despite all the responsible parties trying to defend themselves, people have to realize that the stunt was still approved by MTV, The NFL, and CBS. Sure it went father than planned but he was *still* grabbing her tits and exposing her (partially or completely, no matter...) as part of the script! No one can deny that -- nobody just grabs Janet Jackson's boobs without her permission, and without it being planned well in advance.
He's still assaulting a black woman on national TV for entertainment. When I first heard that perspective I thought it was BS, but think about it, it's true. What kind of F'ed up imagery is that??? Like Michael Novak in the great article above, I'm not personally shocked or offended by seeing Miss Jackson's right boob. In fact, at the time I thought it was pretty cool. But what bothers me is that this publicity stunt was planned from the beginning solely to be shocking and controversial, using really bad judgment. It might give the children who were watching the idea that it was a good thing. |
I can't believe this discussion is still going on. I can't believe people actually see it as a white man assaulting a black woman.... Grow the fuck up.
People are so worried about the kids who saw that... Well, I have friends that coach 6th grade boys hoops, and 7th grade girls hoops. You know what? They could give a fuck less about this stupid ass shit. It's the adults acting like the fucking 2 year olds in this situation. Kids don't see it as a sexual assault on a black woman. Gimme a fuckin' break. Everyone is making a non-story a huge issue for absolutely no reason at all. Do you people actually think it's the media that's fucking up society? Most kids have seen much worse by the time they're 3. Most kids have parents who fight, drink, and do drugs in front of them, and after all that they still get beat, and their parents hardly pay any attention to them. Why the fuck aren't any of you bitching about that? That's where the problem is. The SuperBowl halftime show is nothing compared to what most kids have to deal with at home every single day of their lives. Kids get fucked up by their fucked up parents..... Not by anyone's god damn breast!! There... I feel much better. :) |
It's good to talk about stuff.
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A line has to be drawn somewhere. sixate you may be right that this is being overblown. However, if this is allowed, then what isn't? This clearly exceeds the tolerances that have been established for broadcast TV. How this is handled will determine if those tolerances remain or become more liberal. Its looking like the later is not going to happen. Some smart ass though it would be alright to push the boundries. Suprise, its not.
Its an interesting process to watch. We are seeing society react to this and that reaction is going to have some effect on the media. This is a very interesting process. Most of the time these changes happen incrementally over time. Time is being compressed here and we can watch (whether we agree, or not) the process, first hand. |
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...it's not the breast.
It's the ruinous "entertainment" we are accustomed to and its multi-million dollar, mind-dulling, and exploitative nature. It's the entire unnaceptable-as-mass-demographic/age-consumption issue. To blow it off as "it's a breast, duh" doesn't address what actually occurred. And it doesn't address the fact that we are being psychologically assaulted by a bunch of cynical corporate moral cretins. |
Well I don't know anything about the racial claims, but that's just hella stupid and unethical. It was Janet's idea in the first place. Justin is practically black his damn self; lmfao. I mean those claims were started by someone trying to get attention and it worked.
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I'll have you naked by the end of this thread!
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Right. Some things will be changing as a result of audience reaction to programmed content. That's how it works. A very significant cultural threshold has been reached - people are speaking their minds - and cultural evolution may move unpredictably for once.
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Ah, that ring is freaky.
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'Serious injury'? BS. She just wants money..
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here in canada the pic ran in all newspapers. even the small metro newspaper had a huge shoot of her tit.! We like nudity here in canada we don't complain.! ;)
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Asshat sues because of Janet Jackson's boobie. What do you think?
We have more to worry about than the looking at one ugly boob. How about that asshat that is setting forth a class action suit because she was "injured" as a result of halftime show?
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what!? I refuse to believe that because he saw some tit for a second that he's going to be traumatized.
How is he injured? Emotionally or physically? I really hope this gets thrown out |
I think that this is bascially just another case of lawsuit addiction and/or stupidity - akin to sueing over being burned by hot coffee.
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Re: Asshat sues because of Janet Jackson's boobie. What do you think?
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I heard about this on the news. It's some LADY that is sueing, saying it caused her embarrasment and stress. Does she get embarrassed when she looks in the mirror? Some people will do anything for their 15 minutes.
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The only thing that i see wrong with it is the fact that she had that massive nipple thing on lol and it makes me think it was planned cause who the hell wears those for fun.
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that was totally planned. she hasn't had a hit album in a while. let alone a song. and she needed some publicity. they said it was a "costume malfunction" how does clothing malfunction?
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She hasn't had a hit album because she hasn't put one out. Janet has never had an album flop and it cracks me up when people say she's a has been...
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I can't believe this is still causing so much controversy. What was actually shown - a boob with a nipple covered. Surely this is nothing more than what is seen in public. They have put the picture of it in daily newspapers all over the world - so obviously the image is not the problem. |
I'd hit it.
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