Realizm

I'm ok with her choice. I don't quite like the environment I live in, if I had a choice I'd go elsewhere. Seems reasonable to me.

forecheck

Lets see. Who would rather have as your neighbor?

Gwyneth Paltrow or this guy sixate who goes ballistic when he reads her opinon.

Moskie

haha, this kinda sums up some of my feelings on this issue.

(however, be careful who you're calling "this guy".... note the "Super Moderator" under his name )

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Moskie

I disagree, you're being violently/overly patriotic right here in this thread. Paltrow has calmly expressed her dislike for this country, and has decided to leave. You respond by exploding, biting her head off and calling her a "stupid fucking bitch."

You're helping to prove one of her points.

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Tophat665

68,
I think you pretty much proved her point for her. I'm petty sure my give-a-shit-o-meter went from no reading to "ho-hum another strident conservative" to "she must be absolutely right". If you're just venting, great! If you're actually trying to persuade, then I think we know someone who needs to work on their people skills.

It's all fine and well to say that one should stick around and try to change the country if one doesn't really have the resources to up stakes and jet, but if I did, I'd certainly think long and hard about educating my children abroad. I suspect that, in the end, I'd end up sticking around, but I'd give it some hard thought, and I'm in one of the better school districts in the country.

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sixate

If I was being violent I would beat the living shit out of everyone in America who shares this idiots opinion. It may be difficult for you to believe, but I never have and never will do that. I've also never wandered into a public school with a gun and killed anyone. So I didn't help prove any of her points. I think maybe you and Tophat need to wake up. Just because you don't like how I express myself in my wonderfully free country it doesn't make me violent.

Tophat, I'm not trying to persuade anyone. What would ever give you that impression? I'm just voicing my opinion. I'm vulgar at times, no big deal.

Moskie, just because someone doesn't like my opinion doesn't mean that I'd ban them just because I can. That's not what I'm here to do. I have never banned someone for disagreeing with me. So please don't think that I would take action on someone just for the hell of it.

Mr.Deflok

I hate bastards who think they can speak their fucking mind, the fucking bastards. Need to learn to keep their fucking bastard mouths shut. Fucking Bastards.

chavos

good to see that a woman with an opinion you disagree with is a stupid bitch. *rolls eyes*

ApexgriN

I don't plan on raising my future children in the United States. This country, IMHO, was built on money and the desire for it. I see no reason to subject my children to the Make Money and Die ways of this country. Yes, I will leave. No, I don't want to hear your proud, blinded rhetoric. If you've got some real arguments as to why this government is good, share them.

BTW - She isn't dissing America, she's dissing the American Government. You don't keep your freedom by following the rich like sheep. You have to be a critic. You have to stand up. You have to lose your pride.

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ApexgriN

Read the Patriot Act of 2001 and the Homeland Security Act of 2002. Oh yeah, and while you were distacted by Saddams "capture" on FOX, Patriot Act 2 was written into law.

You don't know you've lost your freedoms because you're too busy getting your "information" from TV and have no time to read.

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bonehed1

I cant stand Paltrow anyways. I think she is a tavern wench who can't act. She is a bigger moron for saying her homeland isn't safe but yet she chooses to live here.

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sky_driver

Fuck her and her tits sag!

floydthebarber

No matter where I lived, if I thought my family and I could have a better life living in a different country I'd jump at the chance. I'm sure most of you would too. If you've never been out of your country let alone your state, how can you know that you live in the best country in the world? Because you were told that? I suppose ignorance is bliss.

In many people’s minds, the US isn't the be all and end all of countries. It's time to accept this fact.

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Jim Kata

I was born and bred and raised here but I have been thinking about moving out of the country for my future children's sake even though I LOVE the US.
What is it?...approx. 11,000 deaths per year by guns in the US while other countries are in the 300 or lower range....that seems a lot cooler to me. It shows that something is off kilter over here.
Basically it boils down to where you feel safe.
My parents came here from Pakistan to start a family. They (and myself) love Pakistan...but would/did they (I) raise any children there?....Hells no! So you can love a place but not want to stay there.

jujueye

I'm so bored with the constant attention idiots like this get. Who gives a fuck what she thinks? They fart and EXTRA!!! is there. Geez sixate, I can't add anything to your post or even reply because I feel just the same way.

Mojo_PeiPei

We have about 6x the population of the bigger European countries and the majority of our population is in Urban areas which would tend to equal more poverty which would equal more crime.

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Jim Kata

touche.

johnnymysto

If she wants to leave, fine. But she doesn't just want to leave. She, like Johnny Depp and Malkovich, wants to leave America but still reap the benefits of being American. That's where I say "nuh-uh."

And these reasons she gives for moving are absolute drivel. America is a BIIIIIIG place. I'm sure she could move somewhere, SOMEWHERE in this big country and not have to worry about guns in school or over-patriotic weirdos. Wake up lady - there are many more towns than New York and LA to live in.

But no - I gotta have my Louis Vuitton bags and my D&G outfits!!!

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BentNotTwisted

The problem I have is that Paltrow has the ear of many Americans and could use that capability to make positive changes. Instead she just just bitches and leaves. I hope she finds what she's looking for because she won't get a very warm reception if she comes back.

I have to disagree with you there. If you are so patriotic as to blindly follow whomever is running a country it can lead to a serious downfall. Just ask the Bathists (sp?) in Iraq.

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Mojo_PeiPei

Baathist's were loyal for love of their country, they were loyal for fear of their lives.

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bonehed1

I say run her out of the country....if she has that bad of a problem with it then why does she continue to live here.

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Phaenx

She's saying London is better? Hah. I was going to take a picture of all the locks on my brother in laws door when I was staying with him this past week in England but I never got the chance.

I leave my door unlocked at night and noone's ever tried to break in.

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illesturban

AMEN! The man speaks the truth!

Jam

uhh sixate you got a problem with canadians?

anyone here ever seen that boston public episode where that new teacher (last season i think) had the debate and all the pro americans kicked the shit out of the guy who was defending canada

kulrblind

Some thoughts on the issue:

I wonder why anyone's taking her this seriously. Sure, she's famous....but since when has that made a person politically astute? Granted, opinions are like a**holes: everyone's got one.

There are a million (?) safe places in the USA to raise a kid. Think of all the children who grow up to be fine, upstanding adults these days. It does happen. She appears to be bothered by the anti-american sentiment more than she is bothered by her own opinions. Sticks and stones, m'dear... sticks and stones.

One might also say that she's effectively biting the hand that's fed her, lo these past few lucrative years. Maybe she'll feel the sting of bad press, but I doubt it.

She's not the one who's "raping Americans of their money"... the industry is. She just happens to be part of it, to which Americans (and many countries outside the USA) willingly give their money.

In the end, it's her decision. I hope she finds some place in which she feels her kid is safe to be raised.

By the way, I'm Canadian. Take that as you may.

hiredgun

A person just can't win with you people. If someone speaks out against US policy, you tell them to leave. If a person speaks out against US policy and leaves, you say "a critic doesn't leave." (sixate)

So what do you want her to do? Just agree with you?

japhyryder

Her and her crappy movies can stay in europe

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Nazggul

Dude, it's a TV show. Its designed to be controversial to get your attention, that doesn't mean it reflects reality. Frankly that is the biggest problem with most other countries, and I've worked in Europe from 1999 to 2001, they get ALL their information from American TV; sitcoms, talk shows, etc. They know very little about real day to day life in the US and their steriotypes are frankly jaw dropingly bizzare. Americans as well don't get a great deal of insight into the day to day lives in other countries.

Yah, if Paltrow wants to leave then she should leave. However, she feels she needs to remain in the PR spotlight so she uses this as an opportunity to get attention, keep her name in the press. We all have the right to free speech (here in the US), but when you are in the public eye you have a certain ethical responsibility. Maybe she really truly believes what she said (and I am so *sure* she's read the Patriot Act and can tell you how it directly affects her freedoms), my gut tells me that she just wants to keep her name in the papers.

Iliftrocks

Well obviously she's dumb, if she's got her own opinion....

What's this, you're either dumb or Canadian if you don't like the way this country is???

Gee, not much of a choice.

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filtherton

This is ridiculous. I think it is a good idea for anyone to question any argument that needs righteous indignation to hold itself up, which is basically all you're argument against paltrow amounts to. Aside from the vitriol, does anyone have any kind of meaningful critique of paltrow or is it all, "oooh that dumb bitch", and "rwwaarrr, love it or leave it", or even "grrrrrr she can't act, but i'd bang her".

I don't know what's worse, the people who base their political decisions on bruce willis or johnny depp, or the people who have no better way to react when someone dares to say anything critical of the status quo other than to scream in righteous indignation.

PorscheBunny

All this uproar over the ramblings of an airhead actresses (term used loosely). All these reactions of a jingoistic hooligan who claims to be 6' 8" and thinks that his claim gives him the right to bully on the internet and spout crap about how America's military should be in harm's way worldwide, yet was unwilling to enlist and do his four years.

You people really need to get out more, all of you.

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mr_mcrafe

I sort of agree with her motives, a bit. From over here in NZ, I don't agree with everyone having the right to a handgun. It seems that it only breeds violence, we're always hearing stupid stories involving guns. For example the story (I think it may have been on the news) of a guy that had his parking space "stolen" by another driver in a car park, so he got out and shot her. How often do these incidents really happen?

As for patriotism, it seems like Americans do have a LOT of it, and seem to think they are the best in the world. That's the impression I get. I'm not saying they're not nice or anything, they just seem to think America is the best.

I hope I don't get flamed for this, I'm trying to be objective and explain my view and how I get it.

Jam

i know that.. my question about wether or not he had a problem with canadians was due to a comment of his.. also that episode goes along the lines of this thread with all the uber patriotic americans getting pissed off at critics

sixate

I love when people have absolutely no clue what they're talking about. Thanks for the laugh. I love when people think they have me figured out.

Just so you know, I'm about 8 pounds lighter right now, but I'm still 6'8"!!



I love when people go crazy about my opinions.
Simple fact is I have never called any member a name as you just did to me.....
Now who's the hooligan here?

Conclamo Ludus

I disagree with Paltrow entirely. I'll still watch some of her movies. I really don't care. I'm not going to go ask my barber, my doctor, my dentist, the person who I buy my shoes from, my grocier, etc. where their stance is and boycott them appropriately. Assuming that she really does hate America, why would you want her hear? Let her go. Until she joins the Taliban or issues a holy war on the west, I really don't give two shits for what she thinks. Or Johnny Depp for that matter, or Malkovich, or anybody else.

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splck

Where did she say she hated the US?
Yup, sounds to me like she hates the US

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ARTelevision

One thing that's very smart in the US regarding Free Speech vis-a-vis Libel and Slander laws is the broad latitude given for vitriol directed at "public figures".

The "actress" in question is a public figure and is a fitting target. Her words are clearly flamebait.

The other, more obvious, thing about Free Speech is it doesn't protect you from being criticized for what you say. Freely spoken words are often vigorously challenged. That's par for the course.

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Iliftrocks

Let's all have a great big cry about it and be done

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sixate

Right, and I think it's funny that I'm the bad guy because I get vulgar..... Hmmmmm. I wonder just how many people went off on a cursing rampage when they read what I had to say? But I'm the one who gets criticized. Everyone goes off and swears about shit, I just do it more than most. None of us are angels.

Bill O'Rights

Probably some of the most intelligent words in this whole thread.

I'm going to go home tonight and Mrs. O'Rights is going to chew me out because I forgot to pick up some milk on my way home. My daughter is going to recant to me how unfair it is that Emily gets blah-blah dollars from *her* father, just to go to the mall with, and she doesn't have to do any chores...blahblahblah. My 16 month old son is going to drag out every toy he owns tonight, and show them *all* to me, expecting enthusiastic approval on each and every one. Dinner will be good, it usually is (Mrs. O'Rights knows how to cook.) I will get all the kids settled down in time for The West Wing, and enjoy that hour. (Yes, I do know that Martin Sheen isn't really the president.) I will get a shower, probably have a snack, and go to bed. The sun will come up again tomorrow.

Gwyneth just doesn't affect my life. Nor does anything that she says, or does.