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sixate 01-16-2004 01:55 PM

And yet another parent of the year nominee
 
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Mom Accused Of Injecting Human Waste Into Daughter
Test Results Show IV Fluid Contained Substance Consistent With Fecal Matter

POSTED: 11:50 AM EST January 16, 2004
UPDATED: 12:59 PM EST January 16, 2004

INDIANAPOLIS -- A 33-year-old mother is accused of repeatedly injecting human waste into her 21-month-old daughter to get attention, according to a report.

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Tracie L. Fleck, 33, of Highland was being held Thursday in the Marion County Jail on $30,000 bond on 10 felony counts, including charges of aggravated battery and child neglect. Each count carries a penalty of from six to 20 years in prison and a $10,000 fine.

Indianapolis police arrested Fleck after she was videotaped tampering with her 21-month-old daughter's IV tube in a room at the Riley Hospital for Children, according to a court affidavit.

Fleck may suffer from Munchausen syndrome by proxy, a disorder in which people harm their own children in an attempt to get attention, said Dr. Roberta Hibbard, professor of pediatrics at Indiana University School of Medicine and director of child protection programs at Riley.

Hospital officials became suspicious when the child continued to develop infections after receiving treatment. Doctors told police that Fleck had brought her daughter to the hospital 11 times beginning last March.

Two infectious-disease doctors traced the infection to the girl's IV tube and lab reports indicated the infection had resulted from fecal matter, according to court documents.

A hidden video camera was placed in the toddler's room on Jan. 8 and recorded Fleck placing a hand in her pocket and then both hands on the IV tube or pump, police said. It was not clear who put the camera in the room.

When questioned by investigators, Fleck said she had filled a syringe with baby formula, water and a drug being used to treat the child and twice used it to inject her daughter's IV, according to the affidavit.

Family and Social Services Administration spokesman Scott MacGregor said he could not comment on whether child protection workers were involved with the family.



I know these stories get old, but god damn! What the hell would cause anyone to do this to their own child? I think that this stupid ass Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy is a bunch of horseshit. I'm always amazed at just how many people do shit like this. I have always, and will always think that people should have to get a license to have a child because too fucking many people who have no right to have children keep having them.

lurkette 01-16-2004 01:57 PM

Yeah, there's a fine line between mental illness and just plain cruelty. Please please please take the kid away. Oy.

gilada 01-16-2004 02:17 PM

I call shennanagins on Munchausen by Proxy. I've always thought that was a bullshit defense. If you're that screwed up that you do that, then you need to be put away anyways.

bonehed1 01-16-2004 02:20 PM

That lady should be burned at the stake....

Redlemon 01-16-2004 02:22 PM

I've always thought it should be "guilty by reason of insanity". You did it, but you need treatment, and if you can't be treated, you remain locked up.

onodrim 01-16-2004 02:25 PM

Wow, that is incredibly sad. I sincerely hope she is never allowed near children again.

Giant Hamburger 01-16-2004 02:25 PM

Shoot her out of a cannon and be done with it.

sexymama 01-16-2004 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by redlemon
I've always thought it should be "guilty by reason of insanity". You did it, but you need treatment, and if you can't be treated, you remain locked up.
Amen -- for the safety of all innocent parties!

Yalaynia 01-16-2004 02:50 PM

I hate it when so called mental illnesses are always first suspected when a mother or father does something to their children. I mean look at the bitch that straped her kids in their carseats and drove it into the river. Susan Smith is standing in front of the media on national television saying please bring back my babies yadda yadda yadda. Investigators finally check out her story and come up with the conclusion that shes the one that killed her children. The reason she did so was cause the guy she was with didnt want the responsibility of raising another mans children.
Found the link for it below

http://www.crimelibrary.com/fillicide/smith/

SecretMethod70 01-16-2004 02:52 PM

This is THE worst child abuse I think I've ever heard of. That's just plain SICK. It's beyond the inherent sickness of child abuse in general and it moves on into a whole new category of sickness!

tritium 01-16-2004 02:56 PM

I think she should get a shit-based IV for punishment.

Vespertine 01-16-2004 03:38 PM

She needs to visit a room with some nice padded walls. Seriously, what would possess a parent to do something like that to a child?

Anyhow, I agree....let's strap her down and hook up some IV's for her and see how she likes it.

MSD 01-16-2004 03:44 PM

When I see the child abuse that goes on, sometimes I think that bringing back death by public stoning in the town square isn't a bad idea. This is coming from someone who is anti-death penalty.

Holo 01-16-2004 03:57 PM

WTF??

Injecting shit into your kid...no "syndrome" is gonna make you come up with that. That's a warped bitch right there. And all these little disorders ppl have now that explain away their behavior is fucked. Mental Health is such a big industry they're inventing shit to treat it specially and charge more $$ or get kickbacks from pharm companies who play up to these disorers with special drugs that treat the symptoms of this dsiorder. Well I have Need Pussy Syndrome...I require sexual relations and pills to make me hot and have a 10 inch penis. I'm mentally ill HELP ME!!! :D

World's King 01-16-2004 04:03 PM

I fuckin' hate people some times.

Kaos 01-16-2004 05:59 PM

Absolutely sick....

rockzilla 01-16-2004 06:33 PM

Anyone who intentionally harms a child sholud be sent to prison, and forced to wear a T-Shirt that says "Shank me here" with an arrow pointing to their kidney.

No mental illness can forgive what this woman did to her child, she deserves to be put in a looney bin, and if she gets off with just that, she should consider herself lucky.

Bamrak 01-16-2004 06:37 PM

People should first have to get a permit to have sex or children...

Then, anyone that harms said children should have their eyeballs cauterized..

brandon11983 01-16-2004 07:10 PM

Thats just fucked up. That wacko seriously needs to have her head examined.

Fire 01-16-2004 08:08 PM

I personaly like the " shoot her out of a cannon" idea from GH- hell, let the gov. make money out of it by running it on pay per view- and let contestants "aim " various horrible criminals at targets for fun and Glittering Prizes...... I've got a buddy that works at a max security state pen, and most of the people in there are not going to get "reformed" so in the case of heinous crimes, why not fuck them up with viscious style?

viejo gringo 01-16-2004 08:21 PM

Send that stupid bitch down here to the border and strip her of any ID and deport her ass to Mexico---then list her as a terroist--
let her live in hell for the rest of her life...

Baldrick 01-16-2004 08:28 PM

Anyone who would do that to any child, nevermind their own, has absolutely no feelings towards any human being and is better off being seperated from society forever. I truly believe there is no real cure for anyone this sick. Put them on a rocket destined for the sun...

PorscheBunny 01-16-2004 08:57 PM

Take a 55 gallon barrel, put her in, 100 lbs of Quik-Rete on top of her, add water to fill the barrel, seal, bury in an unmarked location, walk away.

Where is this child's father?

I have an 18 month old daughter. If anyone even tried to do that to her, I'd kill the fucker with my bare hands and dare a jury to convict me.

anleja 01-16-2004 09:50 PM

http://images.ibsys.com/2004/0116/2770906_200X150.jpg
Remove her ovaries.

Angel 01-17-2004 11:33 AM

And to think that I have a close friend who would give nearly anything to be able to have a child and is struggling to get pregnant!
Then you have "people" (and I use that term VERY lightly) like this popping them out! It's a messed up thing! I hope that child will be placed in a loving and caring home.

moonstrucksoul 01-17-2004 12:27 PM

i feel sick to my stomach, the thought that anyone could harm their own child, ( i know that it happens often ) is just so disturbing to me.

arch13 01-17-2004 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by anleja
http://images.ibsys.com/2004/0116/2770906_200X150.jpg
Remove her ovaries.

That isn't punishment enough.
Women child abusers have the same life expectancy as male child abusers in max security prisons. About three months. Not even murders and nut jobs can stand a child abuser. That or slow painfull torture.

anleja 01-17-2004 11:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by arch13
That isn't punishment enough.
Women child abusers have the same life expectancy as male child abusers in max security prisons. About three months. Not even murders and nut jobs can stand a child abuser. That or slow painfull torture.

Well, I WAS going to finish that sentence with "...with a spoon."

Yeah, throw her in jail and keep that kid away from her for the rest of her life.

KellyC 01-18-2004 12:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by bonehed1
That lady should be burned at the stake....
I think you mean to say that "BITCH." I dont think she need to be burned at the stake....

.....she'll die in a couple minutes, thats not enough punishment for what she did...this is where cruel and unsual punishment comes in and tortures the bitch slowly...sloowwwwwly...sloooooowwwwwwlyyyy...(ok u get the point) for a couple months or until she can't take it any more and bite her fucking tounges and bleed to death like that.
(i'm evil...but only towards evils it self :D)

edit: omg...she kinda resembles my U.S history teacher. kinda same hair cut, and same eyes..but my teacher was NICE...not same age...my teacher is like 50 now

merkerguitars 01-18-2004 12:28 AM

Shit I hope her daughter gets put in a home that the parents will actually give a flying fuck about her.......It amazes me that these people can even possibly exist.....

bermuDa 01-18-2004 04:21 AM

People with this syndrome see their children as just a means to get attention. They are self centered and horrible parents, and should be removed from the gene pool.

spived2 01-18-2004 07:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by tritium
I think she should get a shit-based IV for punishment.
Sounds like the perfect punishment to me. The punishment should fit the crime.

Derwood 01-18-2004 08:31 AM

Sadder still is that foster parents often will fuck the kid up even more. Not all foster parents, but many

KWSN 01-18-2004 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by rockzilla
Anyone who intentionally harms a child sholud be sent to prison, and forced to wear a T-Shirt that says "Shank me here" with an arrow pointing to their kidney.
Run for president, rockzilla, because you just got my vote.

SSJTWIZTA 01-18-2004 11:48 AM

I'm speachless. That's one of the most disturbing things I've ever read. I'm not a woman beater, but if i seen this chick walking down the street i'd have to kick her ass.

Fearless_Hyena 01-19-2004 01:11 PM

What the fuck. In addition to how obviously disturbing and fucked up this story is, the fact that there's actually a *term* to describe her fucked up state of mind (apparently "Munchausen syndrome by proxy") is absolutely shocking to me.

I cannot understand how anyone could ever harm a child. Unbelievable.

Midnight_Son 01-20-2004 01:55 PM

GET A ROPE

mingusfingers 01-20-2004 03:35 PM

Where in the heck do these people come up with this stuff? Man.

thespian86 01-20-2004 04:25 PM

One sad sad lady. I'm glad I grew up where i did, in a semi broken home

orphen 01-20-2004 06:16 PM

that is absolutely disgusting

SabrinaFair 01-20-2004 06:53 PM

Jesus Christ on a mule...

I can't even imagine....I mean, why would anyone EVER think that's a good idea? What must have been going through her warped head?

Iliftrocks 01-21-2004 12:20 PM

HULK SMASH!!!!

Redlemon 01-21-2004 12:42 PM

I'm gonna be unpopular for this one, but...

Fact: No one in their right mind would do such a thing. I think we can all agree on that.

Why can't she be treated? Why does everyone say she should be killed? Maybe it is just a chemical imbalance. A couple pills, and she'll think like a normal person again, and would never think about this again.

Well?

shakran 01-21-2004 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SecretMethod70
This is THE worst child abuse I think I've ever heard of. That's just plain SICK. It's beyond the inherent sickness of child abuse in general and it moves on into a whole new category of sickness!
it's bad, but if you read Sybill some time, you'll know it's not the worst. . . .

water_boy1999 01-21-2004 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by redlemon
I'm gonna be unpopular for this one, but...

Fact: No one in their right mind would do such a thing. I think we can all agree on that.

Why can't she be treated? Why does everyone say she should be killed? Maybe it is just a chemical imbalance. A couple pills, and she'll think like a normal person again, and would never think about this again.

Well?

A couple of arsenic pills perhaps! Did she name her kid Eminem by chance?

This is just sick. My suggestion is to put her in an Iron Maiden! That's got to hurt!

water_boy1999 01-21-2004 01:34 PM

Here is a great link with more links on this factitious disorder:
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homep...arc_Feldman_2/

Dr. Feldman can vouch only for the material in the links below that he has personally written. He can only rarely offer advice in specific cases. He appreciates hearing about individuals' experiences with the phenomena discussed on this page, but a response should not be expected. His email address is mdf@myself.com.


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I am a psychiatrist and author from Birmingham, Alabama. MUNCHAUSEN SYNDROME is the most severe and chronic form of my area of specialty, the FACTITIOUS DISORDERS. I am an expert in MALINGERING as well (in which people do the same thing, but for external gain such as narcotics). Factitious disorders are well-recognized among psychiatrists, but they have not received the attention--or advocacy among consumers, families, and professionals--that have greeted more common ailments such as depression. However, factitious disorders can be every bit as disabling and further public and professional education are vital.

People with factitious disorders feign, exaggerate, or actually self-induce illnesses. Their aim? To assume the status of "patient," and thereby to win attention, nurturance, and lenience that they feel unable to obtain in any other way. Unlike individuals who "malinger," people with factitious disorders are not primarily seeking external gains such as disability payments or narcotic drugs--though they may receive them nonetheless.

In "MUNCHAUSEN SYNDROME BY PROXY" (MSBP), an individual makes another person sick in order to accrue the same gains--but this time vicariously. This is a form of abuse in which children are the usual victims.

water_boy1999 01-21-2004 01:35 PM

Even songs about this disorder.....

CLEANING OUT MY CLOSET
By: Eminem
Submitted By: ShininStar183@aol.com
Last Corrected by: pwalker5469
Have you ever been hated or discriminated against? I have, I've been
protested and demonstrated against. / Picket signs for my wicked rhymes. Look at
the times. Sick is the mind of the motha fuckin' kid that's behind / all this
commotion. Emotions run deep as ocean's explodin.' Tempers flaring from parents,
just blow 'em off and keep goin.' / Not takin' nothin' from no one, give 'em
hell long as I'm breathin.' Keep kickin' ass in the mornin,' an' takin' names in
the evening. / Leavem with a taste as sour as vinegar in they mouth. See, they
can trigger me but they never figure me out. / Look at me now, I bet ya probably
sick of me now. Ain't you mama, I'ma make you look so ridiculous now.

Chorus 2X
I'm sorry, Mama. I never meant to hurt you. I never meant to make you cry, but
tonight I'm cleanin' out my closet (one more time).

Verse 2
I got some skeletons in my closet and I don't know if no one knows it. So before
they thrown me inside my coffin and close it, / I'ma expose it. I'll take you
back to 73 before I ever had a multi-platinum sellin' CD. / I was a baby, maybe
I was just a couple of months. My faggot father must have had his panties up in
a bunch, / cuz he split. I wonder if he even kissed me goodbye. No, I don't on
second thought, I just fuckin' wished he would die. / I look at Hailie and I
couldn't picture leavin' her side. Even if I hated Kim, I grit my teeth and I'd
try / to make it work with her at least for Hailie's sake. I maybe made some
mistakes but I'm only human. But I'm man enough to face them today. / What I did
was stupid, no doubt it was dumb, but the smartest shit I did was take them
bullets out of that gun. / Cuz id'a killed 'em, shit I would have shot Kim an'
him both. It's my life, I'd like to welcome y'all to The Eminem Show.

Chorus 2X

Verse 3
Now I would never dis my own mama just to get recognition. Take a second to
listen before you think this record is dissin,' / But put yourself in my position.
Just try to envision witnessin' your Mama poppin' prescription pills in the
kitchen, / bitchin' that someone's always goin' through her purse and shits
missin.' Going through public housing systems, victim of Munchausen's syndrome.
My whole life I was made to believe I was sick when I wasn't 'til I grew up, now
I grew up. It makes you sick to ya stomach, / doesn't it? Wasn't it the reason
you made that CD for me, Ma? So you could try to justify the way you treated me,
Ma? / But guess what, it's over now and it's cold when your lonely. An'
Nathan's growin' up so quick, he's gonna know that your phoney. / And Hailie's
getting' so big now, you should see her, she's beautiful. But you'll never see
her, she won't even be at your funeral. / See what hurts me the most is you
won't admit you was wrong. Bitch do this song. Keep tellin' yourself that you was
a mom. / But how dare you try to take what you didn't help me to get. You
selfish bitch, I hope you fuckin' burn in hell for this shit. / Remember when
Ronnie died and you said you wished it was me? Well, guess what, I am dead. Dead
to you as can be!

Chorus 2X

raeanna74 01-21-2004 04:16 PM

My dad did this kind of thing to himself in a sense. He would OD on Tylenol and just after he took it, call Poison Control and ask them how much is an OD. Then when they told him and asked how much he'd taken he'd tell them. Cops would find him, arrest him, put in him psychaitric, etc. Till finally the psychiatric hospital started refusing him. He'd go to ER get his stomach pumped or whatever was necessary and be sent home ASAP. When he stopped being able to attain the "patient" status and us as his family began to ignore his "poor ill me" cry, then he quit doing that. He's much better now. Still loves to get attention and be nutured but it's not the same drive as it used to be.

It's possible this mother could handle things better with therapy. I don't think the child should have to go home to her ever again though. She's screwed up on this one. It doesn't matter if she gets better. She's failed. No second chances on this one.


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