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ratbastid 01-13-2004 11:00 AM

Diamonds are Forever
 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/e...re/3389493.stm

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<img src="http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39728000/jpg/_39728761_diamond203.jpg" align="right">Diamond memories of the dead
by Malcolm Prior
BBC News Online, Berkshire

To some, it's the perfect way of remembering a lost loved one.

To others, it borders on the morbid and tacky.

But bosses at LifeGem - the first UK firm to offer to turn cremated human remains into diamonds - say it all comes down to personal choice.

The company, operating in Hove, Sussex, but with a US parent, charges up to £11,000 to take a sample of ashes, extract the carbon and create a "memorial" diamond.

It has already signed up its first customers, the Tandy family from Reading, Berkshire, who contacted the firm through its website.


Some people may think it morbid or gimmicky. That is their choice, we think it's wonderful

Gayle Tandy, 24, a crime analyst, is having the diamond created from the remains of her father, Brian, who died from heart disease in April 2003.

She said: "I miss dad every single day and I see having a part of his ashes made into a diamond as a way of keeping him close to me.

"We are not cranky people or looking for our five minutes of fame.

"We believe that this sort of thing is very personal and very personal to our family.

"Some people may think it morbid or gimmicky.

"That is their choice, we think it's wonderful."

Her mother, Lin, 51, said: "Brian was only 56 when he died suddenly in his sleep.

"When Gayle first mentioned the idea I was wary but the more you think about it, the more wonderful the idea becomes.

"Brian was a geologist and loved making jewellery from the stones he found so this couldn't be more of a fitting tribute."

A sample of Brian's ashes is currently in the US undergoing the six-month process needed to create the synthetic diamond.

During that process, the company says, the ashes are heated to produce graphite which is then placed into a diamond press and subjected to high pressures.

The diamond that comes out of the press is a raw crystal that is then polished and shaped.

The company guarantees that the diamond produced comes only from the relatives' ashes, which are dispatched by secure courier to America and given a 16-digit tracking number.

'Personal choice'

The managing director of LifeGem in the UK, David Hampson, told BBC News Online: "It's all about personal choice.

"Some people may think that it's not for them and we expect a lot of people will feel like that.

"But it really is a 21st Century version of Victorian mourning jewellery, of chopping off a piece of hair and putting it in a locket.

"People visit headstones and memorials because they act as a focal point.

"This gives people a mobile focal point. It's something that will never have to leave their sight."

Tim Morris, chief executive of the Institute of Cemetery and Crematorium Management, told BBC News Online: "The institute promotes choice and if this is something a bereaved person wants to do, who are we to say they shouldn't.

"We leave it to their discretion."
Creepy? I think so!

What do you think of this? Would you have a diamond made from the remains of a deceased loved one?

quadro2000 01-13-2004 11:16 AM

To each their own. I think it's ridiculous, but I agree with the family; some may think it's weird, but they think it's wonderful and that's all that counts. Whatever. :rolleyes:

The engagement ring I bought for Quadrette cost enough on its own. Imagine if I had thrown some ashes in there....

Halx 01-13-2004 11:30 AM

Ya know.. this is actually not such a bad idea. I'm not sentimental, but if your grandpa can fit in a neat jewelry box instead of a $10000 lot at the local cemetary, or a huge urn on the mantle, I'm all for it.

skier 01-13-2004 11:33 AM

when i die i'd like to be turned into a diamond. Then i'd actually be worth something

~springrain 01-13-2004 11:36 AM

i think it's pretty cool actually... *shrug*

feelgood 01-13-2004 11:40 AM

I'm for it, Halx just took the words right out of my mouth. They've been doing that for at least a year now.

Nefir 01-13-2004 11:53 AM

I'd gladly be turned into a diamond, but only if used in an orbital death ray sattelite. Blofeld would be proud.

Jonsgirl 01-13-2004 12:12 PM

I think it's a great idea. I'd just be afraid of being pawned off by my great grandchildren or something.

present_future 01-13-2004 12:14 PM

I think it would be pretty cool, until someone asked you about it. How would you explain to a person that you are wearing the remains of a family member around your neck? I know I wouldn't be able to.

nosuchuserexist 01-13-2004 12:21 PM

Some people (like me) think that it's weird to preserve the body, put it in a box and bury it in the ground. I would much rather have someone be able to do something constructive with me after I'm gone. Personally I don't want a small chunk of land taken up with my dead body for decades to come. Burn me and spread my ashes or make a diamond out of me any day, but as was said before, "To each his own"

skysooner 01-13-2004 12:31 PM

If people have the money to spend for it, why not. It takes so many resources to bury someone that I feel this is preferable.

Just don't use it as an engagement diamond :)

Nisses 01-13-2004 01:53 PM

"Hey nice ring you got there."
"Gee, thanks, it used to be my grandmother."
:D
Sounds just a bit odd, but I'm sure people will put it in a ring something similar as well. Who said we don't appraise the elderly? :)

Anyway, I think it's just as good a ritual/memorial act as any. It'll probably last even longer than most graves around here, so in a way it's a one-time deal and you get the item for alot longer than other burials...

Of course a grave is a way for the rest of the community to remember the deceased as well, something you won't have here, but I'm all for it.

slimcr 01-13-2004 02:03 PM

but, what if they get tired of you or run out of money and sell you...ohhh boy...

Cardinal Syn 01-13-2004 05:19 PM

As for me being in the business. A.K.A. Gemologist/Jeweler. I have read about it. It is quite odd. But alas some people are very sentimental about such things. Its a great idea. But a diamond is CARBON.

What i dont understand about human anatomy is. When we go into the incerator or whatever to make ash. Do we become carbon? That diamond that they have shown must have alot of nitorogen to make it that color.

I dont understand the process how they make it. But anywho. Buy diamonds :>

krwlz 01-13-2004 05:30 PM

I think its pretty cool. Not really gross at all.

Seems to be a great reminder of a great person to me.

Halx 01-13-2004 05:30 PM

When you burn anything, the black ash left behind is carbon. Sure there are a bunch of other elements as well, but it makes perfect sense to combine sentimental ash with pure carbon to make a lab-diamond.

majik_6 01-13-2004 05:51 PM

Although it's not really what I would want for myself, I can see the appeal.

As for the creepy factor, I don't think it's any different than keeping the unprocessed ashes on the mantle. Either way, you're keeping the remains around the house, but this way it's something beautiful.

Hopefully, it will help some people to remember their loved ones in a happier way. A diamond is associated with a lot of happy times in ones life, not usually death. Maybe this will serve as not only a memorial, but a way of easing the pain.

Frowning Budah 01-13-2004 06:06 PM

People have always said I was the hardest thing in nature so I guess I might as well continue that title after I am dead :)

splck 01-13-2004 08:55 PM

Soounds a hell of alot better than being buried.

denim 01-13-2004 08:56 PM

I expect it's right for some people, and some situations. For me or mine, I dunno.

StormBerlin 01-13-2004 09:20 PM

I think its a neat idea. I would go for it. Alot better than bieng stuck in the ground forever. Is it the ashes that makes the diamond that color?

Kaos 01-13-2004 09:22 PM

I think it's quite sentimental, and a hell of a lot better than taking up more space in a cemetary.

omega2K4 01-13-2004 10:08 PM

I read about this awhile back, pretty neat stuff. I also read about a company that could synthetically make diamonds. Pretty cool stuff, they said it was really cheap to produce, and that they are identical to something you'd buy from a jewelry store. They also took it to several major diamond trading/selling company, and that company (I think DeBeers), couldn't tell the difference from a real diamond, and the synthetic.

jujueye 01-14-2004 10:56 AM

I read somewhere a few years ago that some old guy took the ashes of his deceased wife and had them loaded into capsules. He took one every morning with his vitamins.

numist 01-14-2004 11:39 AM

btw - they take out a lot of the extra crap, the article says:

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During that process, the company says, the ashes are heated to produce graphite which is then placed into a diamond press and subjected to high pressures.
graphite == carbon, except that graphite is in your pencil, not on your ring.

Either way, it could be good. I dont like the ability to sell it for value. If I were to have it done I would want to be shot into outer space or sunk to the bottom of the ocean, somewhere where no one would find me. I dont want to leave a physical memory behind.

flamingpeach 01-14-2004 11:43 AM

seems pretty disgusting. But then again, everyone remembers in their own way.

ratbastid 01-14-2004 11:45 AM

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Originally posted by jujueye
I read somewhere a few years ago that some old guy took the ashes of his deceased wife and had them loaded into capsules. He took one every morning with his vitamins.
Sort of sweet, but.... also very, very creepy. And I'm not sure it's legal. Isn't there a law against abusing human remains?

zer010gic 01-14-2004 11:49 AM

It sounds kinda neat to me but in another way maybe a little morbid its hard to decide. The idea is neat from a technology stand point but the pratice is just odd.

arch13 01-14-2004 12:58 PM

So wait, are diamonds still a girls best freind?:D

denim 01-14-2004 01:45 PM

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Originally posted by arch13
So wait, are diamonds still a girls best freind?:D
I guess that'd depend on what shape they make the diamond. :D I mean, diamond is the hardest substance we know, right?

Kllr Wolf 01-14-2004 02:35 PM

For me it would depend. they are looking at replacing silicon with diamonds in circuits since it can hnadle higher temps( faster sppeds). If so, I want to be a computer.

GuttersnipeXL 01-14-2004 03:20 PM

I'll pass...I still want to be taken to the taxidermist. I want my joints replaced with oversized plastic GI Joe joints, so that I can be moved around and set up into differnet positions for parties and whatnot...the diamond idea is pretty neat, but I'm not budging on the taxidermy idea. No, seriously.

water_boy1999 01-14-2004 03:52 PM

Hmmm....I am not sure this is the route I want to go. I don't think it is gross or creepy.

lurkette 01-14-2004 05:07 PM

I don't think it's so weird. I've considered getting a pendant that I could put a little bit of my brother's ashes in. No weirder to have a gem in a ring on a necklace or whatever. I would be a little concerned that someone would lose it or pawn it or something, but really, none of what you can do with someone's remains makes a whole lot of sense.

daydream 01-14-2004 06:18 PM

Wow that is one of the strangest things I have ever heard of... didn't know it was possible to take someone's ashes and turn it into a diamond! Btw how much is £11,000 in American money... just curious cause they said in the article that's how much it costs to do this...

Starr 01-14-2004 06:49 PM

Here's the site of the company mentioned above. It's a US based company that branched out to the UK...

http://www.lifegem.com/

Now when you have a loved one cremated, how do you know you're not going to get the remains from the previous person that was cremated in the process? I'd hate to wear a diamond with the thought that someone else's carbons could be in there. :) Also, $14,000 for almost a karat is a tad bit outrageous.

glasscutter43 01-14-2004 07:17 PM

For $20,000.00 + US I'm thinking a "memorial home theater system" is sounding really good.

brandon11983 01-14-2004 09:53 PM

I can see the need for some, but not for me. I guess dead is dead to me.

spived2 01-14-2004 10:02 PM

Just wait till some rich people decide they want to start collecting them. How morbid would that be for someone to have an entire collection of dead people diamonds in a glass case in their house??

As for me, I would rather be buried. I'm not into that whole reincarnation thing, but I would rather have my body decompose and become part of the natural life cycle.

jujueye 01-16-2004 10:35 AM

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Originally posted by GuttersnipeXL
I want my joints replaced with oversized plastic GI Joe joints, so that I can be moved around and set up into differnet positions for parties and whatnot
Fascinating. You could creep out the family until the end of time. Coooool!

ratbastid 01-16-2004 10:57 AM

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Originally posted by daydream
Btw how much is £11,000 in American money...
The Pound Sterling is about $1.82 these days. Grandma the Diamond will cost just over $20,000.

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Originally posted by glasscutter43
For $20,000.00 + US I'm thinking a "memorial home theater system" is sounding really good.
Now you're talking! I'll bet you'd have enough left over for a nice little plaque for the TV cabinet. "Grandma Jones Memorial Home Theater System".

bonehed1 01-16-2004 11:02 AM

That seems pretty cool

amonkie 01-16-2004 11:20 AM

I'm all for cremation, but I think I'd rather have my ashes spread over a physical place that meant something to me, rather than have the chance that someone's gonna pawn me off because they couldn't pay the rent.

hklong741 01-16-2004 02:11 PM

spived2, if collecting them is morbid, what about the rich people who pre-order them? For their grandchildren?

An entire family of stones could be extremely valuable, withstand the test of time, and signify a great responsibility.

Further proof of how the rich can re-inforce their ideas of richness. And lifegem to re-inforce their business.

The body is only a shell. Do with it what you wish. But the memories in a physical form...... what a commodity!

Especially in a society where death is so poorly addressed. I wonder if there are salespeople at retirement homes...?
Can't be that difficult of a sell.

Vespertine 01-16-2004 03:46 PM

That's just a tad bit creepy....who would want to wear their dead loved ones? =x

As for the part about it being a girl's best friend:

http://www.hostdub.com/albums/Non-Af...otecontrol.jpg

Nazggul 01-16-2004 04:05 PM

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Originally posted by brandon11983
I can see the need for some, but not for me. I guess dead is dead to me.

Bwaaahahahahaha. That is soooo funny, but true. :)

Xell101 01-17-2004 08:25 PM

That seems like a better idea than storing someone in a box built to last much longer than necessary, seems a lot more practical and reasonable.

Figured I'd see at least one family jewel's joke.

cantseeme 01-19-2004 10:14 AM

Yeah that's kind of creepy, but in a good way I think.

I like the idea of having a gem to remember someone, but not a diamond (although I guess that's all you could make from ashes). I'm not really down with the whole diamond trade and the bad business it fosters.

Bamrak 01-19-2004 01:58 PM

I dunno, I think it's kinda neat. It makes sense since a lot of dead people are in an urn on the mantle. Uncle Herb will just be in a necklace. Not that I really have a preference once I'm dead.


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