about time we got him
 

almost...


http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/...ain/index.html

CNN downplaying it just recently the reporter was saying that all the gunfire they hear is a problem the millitary still has to deal with, cause of all the guns still on the street.

Yea we failed to get their guns..

Now What through? What countries get to steal the rebuilding and oil contracts? What the total death count of US soldiers going to be? How much more do we have to pay?
Questions...I still have many questions.....

At least they have ONE GUY, Now the trial, and more games, plus, how about the other one...

Saddam Captured
 

Holy poop.

Link.


It's kinda surreal.... But, now what? Is he going to be charged for international crimes... or what?

Hopefully he will be locked in a small room with the families of the women that he and his sons have raped and murdered.

Where Is Osama bin Laden?
 

Where Is Osama ?

Video of announcement
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/nomad559/Saddam.wmv

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/nomad559/SH.JPG

Is there a press conference coming up?

Anyone know where I could watch it streaming on the internet?


*doesn't have a tv...*

Press conference is about to start.

Saddam Hussein CAUGHT !!!!!
 

WOOOHOOOOOO MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYBODY !!!! HAVE FUN IN THE POKEY SADDAM !!!!

http://www.cnn.com
http://www.msnbc.com

I was just about to post this, its like a xmas prezzy for the world and the USA. Hope he gets his just.

Mind you could be a trap D:!

Shameless plug for the thread I started in Politics:

*edit: Threads merged, plug link no longer needed.*

Hopefully they can get some good information out of him, in the most incredibly painful way imaginable. But I feel a little better knowing that he is (supposedly) caught.

It's been confirmed. "We got him", according to Bremer, in what was probably the coolest statement ever. :)

It's good that they caught him, but there's still work to do....

they found him in a hole D:?

You see them giving him all these health cheacks but you know when the cameras go, they bet the living crap out of that arse hole.

If by "him" he meant Bin Laden...... no offense.

When I heard the news I was like wtf no way! I've been watching it on CNN for the last 2 hours. Now where are those WMD?

Similar threads merged.

SADDAM CAPTURED!
 

Let's hope this is the beginning of the end of our military involvement there.

Sadaam Captured!
 

Link to story


TIKRIT, Iraq (CNN) -- U.S. forces have captured Saddam Hussein in a late night raid near his hometown of Tikrit, according to the head of the Coalition Provisional Authority.

"Ladies and gentleman, we got him," L. Paul Bremer announced Sunday. The announcement was greeted with cheers from the audience.

Lt. General Ricardo Sanchez showed video of Saddam, who had graying hair and a long beard, undergoing a medical examination after his capture.

Several Iraqi journalists stood up and shouted "Death to Saddam" after the video was shown.

Sanchez said the former leader was not injured and has been "talkative and cooperative," after 4th Infantry Division and special operations forces nabbed him at a "rural farmhouse."

"Today is a great day for the Iraqi people and the coalition," Sanchez said.

Not a single shot was fired in "Operation Red Dawn," carried out based on intelligence gathered over several months, Sanchez said.

"This is very good news for the people of Iraq," British Prime Minister Tony Blair said in a statement Sunday. "It removes the shadow that has been hanging over them for too long of the nightmare of a return to the Saddam regime. This fear is now removed." (Blair reaction)

A senior U.S. official told CNN's Dana Bash in Washington that Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld told President Bush Saturday afternoon (EST) of the likely capture.

In Baghdad, hundreds of Iraqis flooded the streets, firing guns into the air, singing, dancing and throwing candy into the air -- celebrating the apparent capture of the man who had ruled their lives with terror and repression for more than three decades.

The raid was based on intelligence that Saddam was at a particular location in the area, the officials said.

Video following that raid -- exclusively shot by CNN's Alphonso Van Marsh -- showed a group of U.S.-led coalition soldiers patting each other on the back -- apparently in celebration -- and taking group photos in front of a military vehicle.

The 66-year-old longtime Iraqi leader was number one on the coalition's 55 most wanted list, and his evasion has been a political sore spot for the U.S. administration. (Saddam profile)

The Iraq war began on March 19 when U.S. forces launched a "decapitation attack" aimed at the Iraqi president and other top members of the country's leadership.

Hours later, a defiant Saddam wearing a military uniform appeared on Iraqi television to denounce the U.S.-led military campaign as "criminal" and to say his countrymen would be victorious.


U.S. troops celebrate in Tikrit, after a raid that captured a man believed to be Saddam Hussein.
At least a dozen audiotapes believed to have been recorded by Saddam, 66, have been released since he was forced out of power by the coalition forces during the Iraq war. The most recent was broadcast in November.

His sons Uday and Qusay -- also on the coalition's most wanted list -- were killed in July, after U.S. forces stormed their hideout in Mosul.

Sixteen policemen were among those killed in Sunday's explosion at Khaldiyah, 80 kilometers (50 miles) from the Iraqi capital, the officer added. (Full story)

-- CNN Senior Military Affairs Correspondent Jamie McIntyre and CNN Baghdad Bureau Chief Jane Arraf contributed to this report

awesome.
now we gotta look for osama

Wow. Never thought I'd see the day.

Wonder what this'll do to our Warmonger in Chief's popuarity ratings? :rolleyes:

Heh. I think I'll give him a (mild) plus if he finds Osama. I always figured that would be harder than finding Saddam. ;)

But if you look at the history of Saddam on CNN... wow. The dude has been at this for almost 50 years. What a waste of a life.

Something I'm not getting: I keep seeing references to how Saddam's identity is being confirmed by DNA. But... how the hell do they know what Saddam's DNA is in the first place?

Moskie: from his sons, for one. They found those a while ago. They also already had some DNA before the war, probably from family members that fled the country or from some covert operation...

Way to go, US Military! Thanks, guys. Not a job you should have been given, but one I'm glad to see you did well. Guess 8 years of Clinton made you fellows smarter and quicker ;).

Now, the remainder of the scavenger hunt: WMDs? OBL? GWB's credibility? The Snark? Chop chop.

Honestly and seriously, though, good show! Thanks!

Saddam Hussein Captured!
 

I hope the insurgents calm down. I eagerly await the day the Iraqis can rule themselves so our soldiers can come back home.

So I suppose Saddam will reveal the happenings of his WMDs? I wonder what methods they will use to extract information from him.

<Mr.Burns>Eeeeexcellent</Mr.Burns>

There are alot of similarities between Hussein and Stalin. Until his death, people feared to do anything but support him. I hope this will be the turning point in civilizing Iraq. Wonder who the common citizens will support now...

WooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!

Good news to come home to. Good job boys, soldier on heros!

My reaction was "Well that's completely inconsequential."

Then I realized that this probably means that Bush will get reelected.. hrmmm...

To play devil's advocate, he is still a person, and I find it saddening to look into his eyes in those videos and see a broken spirit.

I see some people still hans't put a coin in their thinking-machine.

The US knew that Saddam gassed his own people/attacked Iran and such, but at the time you considered him a "friend". Now, you try to rewrite history like you've always been against him.

Unless Saddam goes to Haag, this will only serve to turn the rest of the wold even more against you.

Like hell, he's a monster. Crucify him.

lets do a jig!

Ahum... please stop playing the innocent bystander here. Practically EVERY western country (probably including yours) supported Saddam during those days. Now you try to rewrite history by suggesting it was only the US... Kinda ironic, isn't it? :rolleyes:

Doesn't matter, since my country STAYED OUT of this mess of lies and bullshit. Oh..and the fact that we didn't supply Iraq with the stuff he needed to gas people.

One step at a time
This is a good step.

Anger begets anger, gentlemen. Stop pointing fingers and laying blame. The best outcome is that we all learn from what happened here and to not repeat it any time soon.

This is why I don't want to see my fellow Americans revel in the defeat of Saddam. Yes, it is a good thing that he is not going to threaten the people of the world , but if we want to show that our ways are better than his way, we should act like it. Do not sink to his level of hatred.

2 years ago I woke up to hearing the WTC had been hit by a plane, and today I wake up to hearing Saddam had been captured. Today is a very good day for America and the World!

If only Saddam and 9/11 were connected.

A few points to ponder
everyone seems to be so against vengence- but why- the longest lasting empires in the world swore by it, and in the end, history is written by those who are still alive to write it- debating how right the u.s.'s involvment was is a moot point- no one stopped us, few helped us, and we did what our controling political entity wanted to anyway- ultimately it came down to the fact that we were going to smash the husein regiem for SOME reason, and despite the disagreement from the rest of the world, we did- will it matter that there are no WMD's- I doubt it- is hussein a nice guy- does anyone dispute the fact that this man is a MONSTER?- simply put we did what we did because we are the most powerful nation in the world, and we wanted to- is this fair- HELL NO- but can anyone honestly say that Iraq is better off with saddam- in short- in this case our desires as a nation had the side effect of toppling a dictator.....

Every criminal has a right to fair trial, no matter how much of a monster they are.

Hopefully finding him will cause some of the resistance our soldiers have been facing to crumble. Now if we can just find osama.

If you thought the OJ trial was big news, just wait for this one.

I think the really zealous ones will all commit suicide attacks soon as a last ditch effort.

i'm glad saddam is alive, I'm interested to see what his trial will look like.

Osama, on the other hand, I want skewered on a bamboo rod, roasting over a burning trash can.

Thats exactly what Im worried about. He will play up the capture for ratings. While Saddam is certainly a bad person, and its great that we caught him, keep in mind that he had nothing to do with 9/11, and as of now, our war with him isnt even sufficiently justified. Which makes his capture little more than a publicity coup.

I'm just glad our soldiers were able to avoid a firefight while capturing SH.

Let's hope they don't relax their guards.

IIRC Joe Stalin was his hero and role-model. If they are similar, it is because Saddam copied him. Saddam's capture will probably demoralize some of the rebels, but definately not all of them.

And the circus continues. I was mildly heartened by seeing in one of our most respected papers <http://www.smh.com.au> that the majority of Australian's don't think he should be executed.

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yay for capturing someone who doesnt have any WMD's!

i would laugh if Saddamn goes to the UN, says hey, this war was unjust they killed my sons and destoryed my country when I refused to leave my home...., lets get bush. and then then the UN actually put some bite into thier bark.


heh but in the same breath, its like watching 2 super villans fight.
cuz no matter who wins, you are still going to be stuck with one of them :\

Didn't America get pissed off the last time the iraqis paraded around P.O.W.'s? Aren't we doing the same with Saddam? Isn't it against some international law?

Or are they just going to ignore the law cuz this is a "special case"?

Hypocrites.

No, he's a witch. Burn him!

Really the only thing to do is hold him as bait for a while, (mostly to make sure that any ideas of his dropping dime on his Bush Bund connections are beaten out of his noggin), then repatriate him and let the Iraqis have their way with him.

I mean, what's our beef with him? Making Poppie Bush look like a Dunce in the second Degree? Don't think it'll hold up in an American court.

I was also thinking about that.. Isn't it against the Geneva convention to show these images?

Article 13 of the Third Geneva Convention says "prisoners of war must at all times be protected, particularly against acts of violence or intimidation and against insults and public curiosity".

:confused:

I'd laugh too - cause it was the lack of bite in their bark that led to the US doing this alone in the first place.

As far as us trying to rewrite history (from a comment on page 1), there's no question as to whether or not we supported him at one time. We did. With a different president, different world political climate, and different citizens. President Bush was not leading the country when we supported him. No doubt, it was a mistake, but at the time he seemed like the lesser of two evils and there's no reason to blame CURRENT political leaders on PAST political leaders mistakes.

Put that in contrast with the governments of France, Germany, and others. Governments who supplied Saddam Hussein and Iraq with TONS of weapons as recent as January of this year. Governments who also made under the table dealings, ignoring UN sanctions against Iraq, and after the US had finally admitted that Saddam was an evil person and would no longer help him.

Now, I'm not saying that France or Germany is worse than the US per se, but it makes little sense to criticize the US and say it's hypocritical to put him in power many years ago and then multiple administrations later say we have no right to be against him for that reason and that we are "bad" for doing something on our own and ignoring the UN when those same countries are CURRENTLY supporting a tyrant and supplying him with arms, also behind the UNs back.

No one is on high moral ground here, so in my opinion it's just a matter of which one leads to a better end. And Saddam out of power is a better end than the alternative.

It was our mess from a long time ago, I'm glad we're cleaning it up.

All i can say is finding him took way to long......Plus diddnt some people think he was dead?

Either way that rocks the casaba

Hmm.. Iran, Saudi Arabia, Israel and a lot of other countries are not far off from Saddams regime except they might lack the good things Saddam did.. Check Amnesty. Why are these friends/neutral to the US?

"Aside from land ownership, the Saddam Hussein era oversaw other examples of a social revolution. Saddam, to the consternation of Islamic fundamentalists and the Islamic Republic of Iran, gave women added freedoms and offered them high level government and industry jobs. Saddam provided both Arab and Western style banking systems to give the people a choice between these interest-bearing and non-interest-bearing accounts, created a western style legal system (Iraq is the only country in the Persian Gulf region which is not ruled according to Islamic law), and abolished the old Sharia law courts except for personal injury, small court claims." <-- Wikipedia.

Saudi Arabia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Saudi_Arabia
"Saudi Arabia became one of three countries to offer the Taliban diplomatic recognition in 1997. Saudi aid flowed to the Taliban, including logistical and humanitarian support during its rise to power and a continued commitment afterward. An estimated $2 million came each year from Saudi Arabia's major charity, funding two universities and six health clinics and supporting 4,000 orphans; King Fahd sent an annual shipment of dates as a gift."

Israel
"The Palestinian Exodus is the name given to the Palestinian refugee flight that took place during the 1948 Arab-Israeli war. In that flight 520,000 (Israeli estimate) to 1,000,000 (Arab estimate) Palestinian Arabs fled from their homes in what would become the state of Israel to neighbouring countries. Despite international pressure, Israel forebade them to return home and their property was either destroyed or expropriated to Israeli Jews.

Today the original refugees and their descendants amount to some 5.5-6.5 million Palestinians. "

Iran
" In broad terms, Iran's "Islamic foreign policy" emphasizes:

* Vehement anti-U.S. and anti-Israel stances;
* Eliminating outside influence in the region;
* Support for Muslim political movements abroad; and
* A great increase in diplomatic contacts with developing countries. "

"Iran backs Hizballah, Hamas, the Palestinian Islamic Jihad, and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command--all groups violently opposed to the Arab-Israeli peace process."

Iran, Saudi Arabia, Israel... none of these countries committed mass genocide against a race. (kurds) You will not find mass graves in those countries as you will in Iraq. None of those countries gassed their own people.

Sure early on Saddam did good things for Iraq's economy and even social reform but in the past 15 years, since his war with Iran, power went to his head.

Dont get me wrong im not a fan of Iran or Saudi Arabia but to say their leadership is just as bad as Iraqs is false.

In my opinion if Saddam had the force Hitler had then WW3 would have broken out. To me those two are no different and Iraqs regime being torn down is much better than Irans or Saudis regime being torn down. (not saying i would object to either crumbling tho.)

Just in time for BushCo to get re-elected.... yuck!

Yay you mean, it's deliciously exciting! Another 4 years of Bush!

Anyhow, there's still a year until reelection, not quite just in time. Jobs will be back just in time in a few months though. It's looking good for them.

Best news in ages :)

I almost can't believe that he's caught. Didn't really believe it could happen for some reason.

I think he is in a way related to 9/11 he was told by the US NOT to harbor Osama and he ignored us. The reason his country is falling apart is because he ignored us and "protected" an enemy of ours.

If you aren't with us you are against us.

I doubt he'll face anything like execution. I just hope he comes down with some disease that eats his brain out. He's a coward that was on a power trip.

Also btw Israelites were in palestine before Arab Palestinians. They had been run out of their homes years before the Holocaust. The Holocaust just sent them finally running home. Arab Palestinians don't belong there.

JMHO

Hold on -- Saddam harbored Osama? What? When?

Are you confusing him with Mullah Omar?

I don't mean directly but Osama was in his country for a time.

I was unaware of even that. Are you sure? Following Bush's don't-harbor-terrorists speech? Where did you hear about this?

Please forget I said that bit. I don't get news straight half the time. Now you know why I'm never in the politics forum.