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JoeyB 04-30-2003 12:23 PM

The buzz from Alabama
 
MONTGOMERY, Ala. - Sex toys are still against the law in Alabama, at least as far as the Alabama Legislature is concerned.

The Alabama House voted against a bill Tuesday that would have removed a ban on sexual devices, such as vibrators, from the state's obscenity law. The ban on sexual devices was added at the last minute when the obscenity law passed the Legislature in 1998.


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Any thoughts? Other than removing Mobile from your travel itinerary???
:)

Phaenx 04-30-2003 12:27 PM

I think the less vibrators in use increases the demand for penis, particularly, mine.

MSD 04-30-2003 03:24 PM

It's yet another ridiculous case of legislating morality based on archaic religious beliefs.

louiedog 04-30-2003 03:29 PM

what about that software that turns your nokia into a vibrator? is it illegal for them to let someone residing in alabama to download it?

anyone have the link? i can't seem to find it.

ARTelevision 04-30-2003 03:59 PM

Sex-Negative News: Alabama Votes Against Legalizing Sex Toys
 
The problem is that politicians get elected to do stuff like this.
They wouldn't do it if there wasn't a lot of sex-negative people in the world who think these laws are needed.
What's the story?

Why are so many of us so sex-negative?
And why is it a political thing?

greytone 04-30-2003 04:01 PM

We need a constitutional ammendment to ensure our right to adult novelties. No one who thinks this is a good law is intelectually qualified to hold elected office in our country.

Somenosuke 04-30-2003 04:05 PM

Well, that most certainly does suck. I don't think America will ever be a truly sexually liberal country. I guess people are just too comfortable with repression. It's sad.

prettypinkfiary 04-30-2003 04:06 PM

it's sad but at least cuecumbers are still legal!

james t kirk 04-30-2003 04:06 PM

Thank christ i don't live in Alabama.

So let me get this straight.......

Buying a 20 dollar vibrator that will give a woman an orgasm (presumably a natural function) is obscene, but the selling of hand guns for the taking of human life is perfectly ok.

WTF is wrong with this picture.

prettypinkfiary 04-30-2003 04:07 PM

oh now don't you even go bringing guns into this. even in the south most would agree dildos and handguns don't mix!

JNshorty 04-30-2003 04:10 PM

Hmm a ban on sex toys, In America, isn't everyone seeing it on sex anyways, how can they possibly back up a claim on "sex related products" when thats most of what you see on television?

JStrider 04-30-2003 04:14 PM

well now their fellow brothers and sisters must be sex toy enough for them....

its pretty lame ... americans are so sexually closed minded...

EDIT: i miss read it and posted thinking it was arkansas...

bubbaspike 04-30-2003 04:14 PM

Just another example of beaurocracy gone batty.
They should go get a real job if they can't handle
the 21st century.

G_Whiz 04-30-2003 04:17 PM

I thought about making a snide comment that would have probably pissed off anyone from Alabama. I decided that a more responsible statement was needed.

Basically, this is another example of a narrow-minded legislature deciding that we need to be protected from ourselves. Even in states where sex toys are legal (most of them, I bet), people don't go around showing off their toys to strangers or young children. So, how are these toys obscene by themselves?

*G_Whiz slowly shakes his head in disbelief*

BBtB 04-30-2003 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JStrider
EDIT: i miss read it and posted thinking it was arkansas...
You say that like it makes a difference. Mobile... some place in arkansas... same thing. I think its stupid but thats the bible belt for you. It sucks let me tell you. Thats the same reason why we can't get porn here in oklahoma. (not the real kind atleast) Thank god for the internet. And why can't we all just go "Okay,lets just make a sweeping law for EVERYTHING. As long as it dosn't hurt anyone else and everyone involved is consenting (and of a consenting age...) then whatever people do IN THEIR OWN HOMES is legal."


EDIT: Small rant I want to add. And its not like banning their sale (or even making it a fineable offense to own one) is going to keep them out. Its just going to make everyone go across state borders for them like we do for the lottery.

sixate 04-30-2003 04:27 PM

Re: Sex-Negative News: Alabama Votes Against Legalizing Sex Toys
 
Quote:

Originally posted by ARTelevision
Why are so many of us so sex-negative?
And why is it a political thing?

Because parents teach their kids that sex is a bad thing. I have no fucking clue why it's a political thing. It isn't a political thing to me unless we have a president that fucks interns and lies about it. Thankfully he's gone, but for the average Joe as long as someone isn't being raped or a kid isn't being abused there should not be a problem with sex toys. What the fuck is wrong with two adults that want to spice up their sex lives? Not a fucking thing. People need to grow up and realize that just because it's something they wouldn't do that doesn't always mean that it should be illegal. The people who voted for this should all have a giant 15 inch dildo shoved in their tight asses cause they need to loosen up.

BBtB 04-30-2003 04:40 PM

Re: Re: Sex-Negative News: Alabama Votes Against Legalizing Sex Toys
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sixate
People need to grow up and realize that just because it's something they wouldn't do that doesn't always mean that it should be illegal.
That brings up a question, what IS their legal basis for this anyway?

phredgreen 04-30-2003 04:46 PM

Re: Sex-Negative News: Alabama Votes Against Legalizing Sex Toys
 
Quote:

Originally posted by ARTelevision
Why are so many of us so sex-negative?
And why is it a political thing?


six, it goes much further than just parents. like i've said before, the norms of society most often are set by religious standards. regardless of whether one beleives or not, if the majority does, then their beleif system will most likely be the social norm, and therefore be the popular idea.

now with that in mind...

politicians have lots of different ways of getting elected. it has alot to do with where you're from. when you're from alabama, many of the voting public appreciate a "godfearing man" who will represent them and their beleifs when enacting laws. we're talking about the bible belt, folks. we're talking about a state that to this day is still very unfriendly to minorties regardless of how long it's been outlawed to do so... and when those people spoke out and said they want this "godfearing man" to represent them, they placed a responsibility on this man to keep them happy and represent their wishes... if he dosen't he's out of a job.

so where does that leave us?

a state whose public is very religiously driven will of course oppose any kind of "deviancy" regardless of how modern other states have become. in a typical southerner's mind, there is no desire to grow and become a thriving modern metropolis... and they sure as shit don't want all of the "Sin and Debaucthury" that goes with it.

we're talking about alabama, folks. this should come as no big suprise. an amusement to those of us who consider ourselves more "modern" than those "good ol' boys", but not a suprise.

SaltPork 04-30-2003 08:02 PM

beat me to the punch Phred.

frenik 04-30-2003 08:59 PM

Ala. Code. § 13A-12-200.2
Quote:

Ala. Code. § 13A-12-200.2
Distribution, possession with intent to distribute, production, etc., of obscene material prohibited; penalties; distribution of fines.

(a)(1) It shall be unlawful for any person to knowingly distribute, possess with intent to distribute, or offer or agree to distribute any obscene material or any device designed or marketed as useful primarily for the stimulation of human genital organs for any thing of pecuniary value. Material not otherwise obscene may be obscene under this section if the distribution of the material, the offer to do so, or the possession with the intent to do so is a commercial exploitation of erotica solely for the sake of prurient appeal. Any person who violates this subsection shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and, upon conviction, shall be punished by a fine of not more than ten thousand dollars ($10,000) and may also be imprisoned in the county jail or sentenced to hard labor for the county for not more than one year. A second or subsequent violation of this subdivision is a Class C felony if the second or subsequent violation occurs after a conviction has been obtained for a previous violation. Upon a second violation, a corporation or business entity shall be fined not less than ten thousand dollars ($10,000) nor more than fifty thousand dollars ($50,000).

(2) It shall be unlawful for any person, being a wholesaler, to knowingly distribute, possess with intent to distribute, or offer or agree to distribute, for the purpose of resale or commercial distribution at retail, any obscene material or any device designed or marketed as useful primarily for the stimulation of human genital organs for any thing of pecuniary value. Material not otherwise obscene may be obscene under this section if the distribution of the material, the offer to do so, or the possession with the intent to do so is a commercial exploitation of erotica solely for the sake of their prurient appeal. Any person who violates this subsection shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and, upon conviction, shall be punished by a fine of not more than twenty thousand dollars ($20,000) and may also be imprisoned in the county jail or sentenced to hard labor for the county for not more than one year. A second or subsequent violation of this subdivision is a Class C felony if the second or subsequent violation occurs after a conviction has been obtained for a previous violation. Upon a second violation, a corporation or business entity shall be fined not less than ten thousand dollars ($10,000) nor more than fifty thousand dollars ($50,000).

(3) It shall be unlawful for any person to knowingly produce, or offer or agree to produce, any obscene material or any device designed or marketed as useful primarily for the stimulation of human genital organs for any thing of pecuniary value. Material not otherwise obscene may be obscene under this section if the distribution of the material, the offer to do so, or the possession with the intent to do so is a commercial exploitation of erotica solely for the sake of prurient appeal. Any person who violates this subsection shall be guilty of a Class C felony.

(4) If a person is held under this section in the county jail, one-half of any fines collected and due to be deposited to the State General Fund for violations of this section shall be paid by the Comptroller to the general fund of the county where the person is held for the operation of the county jail.
A little more info... up to $10,000 and up to one year in prison on first offense of "distribution or possesion with intent to distribute". Ouch.

As for why America is so negative towards sexuality, it is because we our countries foundation is a Puritan one. In my opinion we need to break away from it, but it's going to be tough because of how ingrained it is in our society.

alpha phi 05-01-2003 06:20 AM

The politition who wrote this law must of been really intimidated by his wife's viberator.
either it was much larger then he was, or she tried it out on him

louiedog 05-01-2003 07:07 AM

possession with intent to distribute? what are these drugs?

i also hate the majority of attitudes toward sex in this country. we show lots of violence and degredation of women on tv, but we can't show a pair of breasts on tv unless it's late at night on a movie channel.

i've seen figures showing that we have more abortions and teenage births in this country than european countries. we aren't having more sex as teens, it's roughly the same. we are using less condoms, i have a feeling if there were healthier attitudes and kids weren't afraid of going to their neighborhood store and picking up a box things would change.

Tirian 05-03-2003 12:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by prettypinkfiary
it's sad but at least cuecumbers are still legal!
"Material not otherwise obscene may be obscene under this section if the distribution of the material, the offer to do so, or the possession with the intent to do so is a commercial exploitation of erotica solely for the sake of prurient appeal. "

That depends on how the cukes are packaged.

BBtB 05-03-2003 01:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tirian
"Material not otherwise obscene may be obscene under this section if the distribution of the material, the offer to do so, or the possession with the intent to do so is a commercial exploitation of erotica solely for the sake of prurient appeal. "

That depends on how the cukes are packaged.

Puts a whole new thought to remember to eat your veggies

riskybiz 05-03-2003 01:38 AM

This kind of 'legislated morality' could not have happened without the influence of religion. So sad. So stupid.

james t kirk 05-03-2003 06:09 AM

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