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quadro2000 12-05-2003 07:33 AM

Radio DJ Tells Kids Santa Does Not Exist
 
Can you believe this guy? Listen, I support free speech and all, and he makes some good points, but it was not this DJ's place to ruin the innocence of children everywhere. And it's not like he just casually mentioned it during a broadcast....he drew the kids in, and then broke their hearts.

Fucker.

Two articles here:

Link 1

It’s the Naughty List for DJ

By Sumathi Reddy
Staff Writer

December 2, 2003, 10:19 PM EST

When it comes to politically incorrect jokes, the pot-bellied, white-bearded man who shoots down chimneys bearing gifts appears to be off-limits.

The Babylon radio station WBAB/ 102.3 FM is experiencing a backlash from some listeners after a Monday morning show promoted a big announcement to families for several days, then told children that Santa Claus ...

(stop reading this if you're under 10)

... does not exist.

At 7:20 a.m., John Parise of "Roger and JP in the morning" informed listeners Santa is none other than mom and dad.

The calls started pouring in instantly, including one from Christine Perillo, who had the radio tuned in as she and her two daughters -- ages 8 and 6 -- were eating breakfast. "We were thinking it was some kind of concert geared to kids," said Perillo, 36, of East Northport. "They were getting all excited. I was excited, too."

That is, until she heard JP telling children to search for their gifts at home and explaining the impossibility of one man delivering gifts across the world.

Perillo's daughter, Alexa, 8, turned to her and said, "I knew it was you." Desiree, 6, said "mommy" could buy gifts when they're at school. "Why would you want the kids at the radio to tell them that? It's just cruel," said Perillo.

John Parise did not return a call for comment. WBAB program director John Olsen said the station is holding a news conference today at 11 a.m.

Olsen said he reviews the content of all shows before they air. "We may not agree with everything," he said, "but we support their right to free speech ... even if it may cause some controversy."

Olsen said JP apologized on the air yesterday for urging children to tune in to Monday's program. He said it has not been decided if Parise will be punished.

Link 2

DJ on Santa Flap: I'm Sorry

By Lisa Sshiffman
Staff Writer

December 4, 2003


WBAB talk show host John Parise still doesn't believe in Santa Claus, and he's not sorry for saying so. But he apologized Wednesday for the way he broke the secret to children listening to his morning show Monday.

At a news conference in Mineola Wednesday, Parise defended his stance against the commercialization of Christmas but conceded he used bad judgment in advising parents to have their children join them in tuning in to hear his Monday remarks.

On that show Parise said that instead of Santa it was hard-working parents who buy expensive toys and gadgets for their children in a society that has forgotten the true meaning of Christmas. After the show the station received hundreds of phone calls and e-mails from angry parents.

"While we do not share his opinions and are concerned with his method, we support JP," Austin Vali, general manager of Cox Radio Long Island, said at the news conference. "This should not chill discussion on free ideas. For the past 30 years WBAB has been a forum for open discussion."

Austin said Parise had made an error in judgment. "JP is a great guy with a big heart and a lot of opinions," he said. "Folks are concerned who has better sales. Adults have to get up at 3 a.m. to get to the department store sales early instead of being a good neighbor," Parise said Wednesday.

Parise said he had decided to speak out after watching frenzied shoppers at a mall over Thanksgiving. "Is that what Christmas is all about? My message was directed at adults, to get people away from trampling people in stores," he said, referring to a woman shopping at a Florida WalMart who was trampled over a $29 DVD player Sunday.

"My comments were meant to get back to the original spirit of Christmas, giving and sharing with family and friends," Parise said. "I apologize to parents and mothers and fathers who didn't understand my message."

Parise said that to show his heart is in the right place, he was making a $1,000 contribution to The John Theissen Children's Foundation, a charitable organization in which he has been active for the past 10 years.

"I will continue to say that there is no guy in a red suit dropping presents under the tree," Parise said. Asked how he would address children on the existence of Santa, he replied, "Believe in the magic."

Holo 12-05-2003 07:36 AM

I'm personally of the opinion that all morning radiio DJs should be tortured brutally and burned at the stake, and this guy is no exception. For once I'd like to see a stupid lawsuit over this.

Fearless_Hyena 12-05-2003 07:42 AM

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Originally posted by Holo
I'm personally of the opinion that all morning radiio DJs should be tortured brutally and burned at the stake, and this guy is no exception. For once I'd like to see a stupid lawsuit over this.
I've finally discoverd a justification for frivolous lawsuits!! Thanks, Holo!!!

Of course it's a publicity stunt, and the public apology was probably planned way ahead of time. What a son of a bitch.

HugAPug 12-05-2003 07:51 AM

That's a very low thing to do. Sounds like someone's going to get a lump of coal in their stocking. Hopefully not too many kids heard it.

archer2371 12-05-2003 08:11 AM

Yeah seriously, how cold hearted do you have to be to actually say that and listen to kids cry about it and not feel bad?

Cynthetiq 12-05-2003 08:20 AM

BASTARD!!!!

my parents did it like this...

"cynthetiq, bring this down to the den and put it by the chimney, it's your sister's present from Santa."

that's it.. that's how it was broken to me.

Averett 12-05-2003 08:44 AM

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Originally posted by Cynthetiq
BASTARD!!!!

my parents did it like this...

"cynthetiq, bring this down to the den and put it by the chimney, it's your sister's present from Santa."

that's it.. that's how it was broken to me.

Ouch...


yeah, this is pretty low.... I was never told that Santa didn't exist. I just sort of realized it one year. I don't know when it was, but I remember looking at the writing and realizing that it was the same as my Mom's. Then at my Grandparents house, the gifts from Santa had the same handwriting as the ones from my Grandparents...

rogue49 12-05-2003 09:00 AM

Another reason why I only listen to "music-only" stations in the mornings.

The DJ's get full of themselves, and then they can rationalize anything,
more should be fired on a daily basis.

This DJ's "lump of coal" will be his pink slip

Batman976 12-05-2003 09:21 AM

You know, I've thought about this for a while, but I think it's about time we gave the Santa thing a rest anyway. I'm not saying he shouldn't be a holiday icon, I just don't see why we should lie to our kids about his existence.

rider6061 12-05-2003 09:36 AM

THERE'S NO SANTA?

sailor 12-05-2003 10:44 AM

What a bastard.

Mehoni 12-05-2003 10:45 AM

I have no problem with this. Tricking kids into believeing there is a fat white guy giving them presents is nto a good idea, since most kids wishes for things their parents can't afford and than the kids get disappointed at Christmas.

We don't have any special birthday-guy, so why should there be one for Christmas?

quadro2000 12-05-2003 10:50 AM

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Originally posted by Batman976
You know, I've thought about this for a while, but I think it's about time we gave the Santa thing a rest anyway. I'm not saying he shouldn't be a holiday icon, I just don't see why we should lie to our kids about his existence.
Why is it "about time?" What makes this point in time any different from any other point in time?

I don't really think of it as lying. I don't think it's that deceitful. I think it's great to give kids something hopeful and fantastical to believe in.

I don't remember when I figured out that Santa wasn't real. But I know that I must not have cared that much. I probably determined that he wasn't real but that wasn't going to stop me from believing in him. Still hasn't.

laconic1 12-05-2003 10:58 AM

I hate it when morning show hosts and shock jocks pull this crap. He knew damn well long before he went on the air the effect it was going to have, and the backlash. I'm sure he had his usual canned statement apologizing and saying his comments were taken out of context, blah,blah,blah like all of them do. This is why I don't even listen to the radio anymore.

Psivage 12-05-2003 11:13 AM

I was 11 or 12, when I discover there was no real Santa, I still get presents sign by Santa though. My niece, who is 5 was told by a 6 year that there was no Santa, wrecked her heart. My sister is pretty miff about it. Yet she convince my niece that there was a Santa. For a little kid, it is something special and magical.

water_boy1999 12-05-2003 11:28 AM

He is right to an extent. We should get back to the real "Spirit of Christmas": Stuffing our faces with egg nog and Fruitcake, making out under the mistletoe, and getting as many lavish presents as you can!

It was cruel to let the children hear that though.....

The_Dude 12-05-2003 11:37 AM

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Originally posted by Mehoni
I have no problem with this. Tricking kids into believeing there is a fat white guy giving them presents is nto a good idea, since most kids wishes for things their parents can't afford and than the kids get disappointed at Christmas.

We don't have any special birthday-guy, so why should there be one for Christmas?

I agree here.

Well, the parents shouldnt have let their kids listen to the radio if they were afraid of somebody breaking the news to them.

I think that this whole ordeal is really funny.

OFKU0 12-05-2003 11:46 AM

Well if the parents tuned into their kids rather than tuning into the radio in the morning there wouldn't be so many upset kids.

Anyways it's high time 6 and 8 year olds learn the routine of materialism straight up rather than through a mythical figure.

Incidentally the Santa I believe in is a 5'10'' brunette who doesn't mind the Christmas tree balls slapping against her ass.Longlive personal Santas

feelgood 12-05-2003 12:19 PM

Ah, nobody told me that Santa wasn't real...

It was until on the way home from a Xmas party, I think I was about 10 at that time and it was Xmas eve. So, my brother and sister were excited about having Santa over that night and were planning on capturing him. So, Dad and Mom goes on and on about how he has to travel all over the world and shits like that. So, while I'm listening and I remember thinking "How is that possible? 1 fat hairy man for all 3 billion kids in the world" and they were talking about how Santa goes down the chimmey and I thought about how small our chimmey was and then that's when I slamed my fist on the car seat and I said "BULLSHIT!" My Dad was shocked at me swearing (swearing was uncommon for me back then...) So, when we all got home, that's when my Dad broke the news to me and I wasn't even shocked.

Sooner or later, kids are gonna know but damn, why the fuck did the DJ announced to the world? What right is it his to ruin the joyous xmas of childrens who are looking forward to capturing the "REAL" Santa clause as he's coming down the chimmey. Everybody knows that kids love doing that, even when they never actually capture him or end up falling asleep...

punx1325 12-05-2003 12:32 PM

What a scrooge!

REDL|NE 12-05-2003 01:27 PM

kind of cruel, kids are supposed to figure that stuff out by themselves, its part of growing up

Batman976 12-05-2003 01:37 PM

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Originally posted by quadro2000
Why is it "about time?" What makes this point in time any different from any other point in time?
Now isn't any different than any other time, it's just that it seems up until this point no one has made a stand. If no one has done it yet, then it's high time someone did.

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I don't really think of it as lying. I don't think it's that deceitful. I think it's great to give kids something hopeful and fantastical to believe in.
It's great to have kids using their imaginations. They should know about Santa and Rudolf, but they shouldn't believe it's fact. I enjoy the movie Toy Story, but I know toys don't actually come to life when I leave the room. I don't want to get rid of the Santa legacy, just the way kids perceive it.

Spartak 12-05-2003 01:38 PM

I don't see the problem. Around 6 I actually realised that Santa didn't exist (I found my future present in a closet, and was then miraculaously handed it back for New Years/Christmas, so I pressed my parents and they said "Well, what do you think ?", so yeh).

IMO the DJ just saved a lot of grief for the parents in the future, which they could have saved themselves by telling their children that there was no Santa in the first place. Seems cruel, but this method will save a lot of hysteria.

quadro2000 12-05-2003 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by OFKU0
Well if the parents tuned into their kids rather than tuning into the radio in the morning there wouldn't be so many upset kids.

Oh, come on. Don't play that card. The parents were told that there would be a special announcement for the family to listen to. He purposely invited them in, and then did it. It's not like they were casually listening to the radio. That would be somewhat of a different story.

Phaenx 12-05-2003 01:52 PM

Haha, I found it pretty funny myself. That's what you get for lying to your kids lady!

sixate 12-05-2003 02:02 PM

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Originally posted by Phaenx
Haha, I found it pretty funny myself. That's what you get for lying to your kids lady!
Same here. I laughed my ass off.
The only reason parents get pissed is because they know they've been lying to their kids. Simple solution: Don't fucking lie to your kids!

I never believed in Santa, big surprise huh, and when I was in first grade I told all the kids in my class there was no such thing, and that their parents were lying to them. I damn near got my ass kicked by the entire class. They all thought I was the liar. I also told them their parents were lying to them about god..... They'll all realize one day that I'm right on that on too.

The only reason parents are pissed is because they want to be the ones to tell their kids that they've been lying to them for years. What idiots!

Cynthetiq 12-05-2003 02:16 PM

sure six, but there is something to the innocence of being a child. There's no tooth fairy, no this no that, blah blah blah... but there's something to say that there's some magic to being a child, and the imagination that some children have.

That said, it's those imaginations that have given us some of the most incredible books, movies, music, etc.

Gman 12-05-2003 02:20 PM

It's not about parents LYING to their kids, it's about a child's fantasy being taken away. Yeah, sure, the world is a rough place, but is it better to sit little Jonny down and tell him, "Alright, you're 6 now. Time to learn about the world. Bad things happen to good people for no reason whatsoever. No one is going to watch your back for you. Many people are going to dislike you just because they do. And finally, your life will reduced to routine and you struggling to make ends meet. Now go and get on the bus, you'll be late for school."

Kids need a little fantasy, something magical that they can believe in. There's nothing wrong in providing that to them through a magical man who gives you presents if you were good (and even if you're not) And for those of you who think the parents were wrong about lying to the kids and how you were sooo cool when you were little that you knew there wasn't a Santa. Great. Yippity do for you. You didn't get to experience great memories and be part of a tradition that is decades upon decades old, plus the fact that you're probably going to deny your children from experiencing all of this as well. So enjoy that truth, tastes real bitter huh?

Now, I know the perfect punishment for the DJ. A big burly guy should be dressed in a Santa suit and repeatedly buttfuck this guy screaming, "WHO'S PRETEND NOW, BITCH!"

I'd laugh.

Phaenx 12-05-2003 02:30 PM

They'd probably be better suited to deal with that when it comes time to, probably even better prepared. Sure wouldn't go "study abroad" in fucking Paris or some crap, they'll get a job at a steelmill to get through college and like it!

quadro2000 12-05-2003 02:46 PM

I told myself I wasn't going to open up this can of worms. But what the hell. :)

So those of you who think that parents should stop lying to their kids about the presence of a big fat guy with a white beard who makes dreams come true...

Is it somehow then okay that they teach their kids to believe in God? Someone that we can't tangibly prove the existence of? The disappointment they receive when they pray for something and don't receive it - is it any different than the disappointment when they ask for something from Santa and don't get it? Is it okay that we tell our kids they should pray each night for something good to happen when we have no way of ensuring that their prayers will be truly heard? Aren't we lying? We don't know for sure, do we? No. We go on our faith and our spirit to believe in something greater than us.

People - and not just kids - have faith in the idea and the spirit of Santa Claus. This isn't about bullshitting your kids. It's about giving them something greater than just black-or-white logic to believe in. It's that kind of thing that allows people to experience the wonder of life, whether they're 6 or 60. I feel bad for those who can't dream past what they see in front of their eyes.

Kaos 12-05-2003 02:55 PM

Re: Radio DJ Tells Kids Santa Does Not Exist
 
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Originally posted by quadro2000
Parise said that to show his heart is in the right place, he was making a $1,000 contribution to The John Theissen Children's Foundation

Wow, a whole $1000. Ya that will make up for the hundred's of kids who's fantasy was taken away. :rolleyes:

And about lying to your kids...what's the damn harm? With all the shit that goes on in the world a little "magic" in a kid's life is priceless.

Phaenx 12-05-2003 03:04 PM

Thanks for your pity, I'll be sure to go cry in my closet later on tonight.

Six is an athiest, and I don't care unless someone starts crying about something they should have seen coming. We're realists. You can go ahead and do whatever you want, just make sure it's legal.

That's fine, don't bitch when someone introduces them to reality though.

sixate 12-05-2003 03:04 PM

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Originally posted by quadro2000
Is it somehow then okay that they teach their kids to believe in God? Someone that we can't tangibly prove the existence of? The disappointment they receive when they pray for something and don't receive it - is it any different than the disappointment when they ask for something from Santa and don't get it? Is it okay that we tell our kids they should pray each night for something good to happen when we have no way of ensuring that their prayers will be truly heard? Aren't we lying? We don't know for sure, do we? No. We go on our faith and our spirit to believe in something greater than us.
I do think it's wrong to teach religion. I can't possibly put into words how much I dislike all forms of religion. I absolutely hate what it stands for. IMO, religion is a lie and parents/nobody should be teaching it.


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Originally posted by quadro2000
I feel bad for those who can't dream past what they see in front of their eyes.
No need to feel bad for me. I don't dream past what I can see. I never have ever since I was a child. There's something called reality! People need to realize it. I feel bad for people who can't get through life without making their own little bullshit fantasy land which shelters them from the truth/reality.

And I don't wanna hear: Well, how do we know what reality is? Maybe we're just a crumb in someone's refrigerator. That's bullshit! I laugh in peoples faces when they say dumb stuff like that. Reality is what you see with your eyes, not you mind.

Gman 12-05-2003 06:03 PM

You can't see air, so does that mean it doesn't exist?

mystmarimatt 12-05-2003 06:18 PM

ouch for the kids that heard.
My brother walked in on my parents wrapping presents when we were 6 and 4, respectively. i still laugh at my dad getting wide-eyed and yelling "WHAT? GET OUT OF HERE!!!!". strangely enough, they still put "from Santa" on some presents, even though i'm now almost 19...(shaking my head).

Macheath 12-05-2003 06:23 PM

The irony is this guy wanted to deliver some kind of anti corporate, anti materialism message. But what did he do, really? He told a whole bunch of kids that their parents were "lying" to them while he, the "man on the radio", was telling the "truth". And then the parents have to admit to this "lie".

So what then; the kid goes on to trust the "man on the radio" more than thier own parents! I can see it now. I won't tidy my room, the President of Clear Channel says I don't have to. Rush Limbaugh says cleaning teeth is a silly thing to do.

Does the "man on the radio" always speak the truth? Kids have to figure out for themselves that there's no Santa, it develops their sense of skepticism and intuition. Way to subvert the learning process buddy.

pocon1 12-05-2003 06:45 PM

The guy was a dick. Parents have the right to tease and manipulate their kids for their own pleasure. That is every parent's right. My dad told my sister when she was six that if you ate anchovies on pizza and drank kool-aid, they would come back to life and swim in your stomach. That is the fun parents get to have. Kids are made to be told stuff and to have fun with. It is not for other people to spoil your fun.

cetacean 12-05-2003 06:48 PM

They just want the publicity... These guys will do anything to get their name out.

sixate 12-05-2003 06:58 PM

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Originally posted by Gman
You can't see air, so does that mean it doesn't exist?
That is easily the most retarded question I've heard in a long time.
I can breathe it. It keeps me alive so obviously it exists. What keeps you alive in your fantasy?

viejo gringo 12-05-2003 07:09 PM

It's the magic---don't destroy the magic for a young child just because you have become hard and self centered.....for many of these little children the magic and the hope is all they have......and sometimes we can sneak in there and make it all come true...or at least part of it...it's the magic...

OFKU0 12-05-2003 07:26 PM

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Originally posted by quadro2000




Is it somehow then okay that they teach their kids to believe in God?

People - and not just kids - have faith in the idea and the spirit of Santa Claus. This isn't about bullshitting your kids. It's about giving them something greater than just black-or-white logic to believe in. It's that kind of thing that allows people to experience the wonder of life, whether they're 6 or 60. I feel bad for those who can't dream past what they see in front of their eyes.

Oh come on,don't play the religion card. That's the most over used excuse in the book.

As for the rest of your quote,I 'm doing my best Jimmy Stewart imitation and shedding a fake tear I bought at Wal-Mart just for the occasion.

quadro2000 12-05-2003 08:14 PM

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Originally posted by OFKU0
As for the rest of your quote,I 'm doing my best Jimmy Stewart imitation and shedding a fake tear I bought at Wal-Mart just for the occasion.
Now THAT was funny! :lol:

OFKU0 12-05-2003 08:25 PM

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Originally posted by quadro2000
Now THAT was funny! :lol:
Almost spit my beer out writing it too:D

Phaenx 12-05-2003 08:37 PM

Beer is fake, your parents made it up! Haha! Jokes on you!

OFKU0 12-05-2003 08:51 PM

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Originally posted by Phaenx
Beer is fake, your parents made it up! Haha! Jokes on you!
Oh I wish my grand pappy founded Budwieser or Miller beer.

vermin 12-05-2003 09:22 PM

I've always enjoyed "funny morning radio guys" and I think this stunt was funny, too.

As a child, my parents explained the Santa Claus myth and it makes an interesting fairy tale. But in my family we always celebrate the birth of Jesus as the main point of Christmas. Trees, lights, gifts, etc. are fun ways to add to the celebration, but without the message of the birth of our savior, it's a hollow, meaningless waste of resources.

And if you lie to your kids, you deserve all the trouble setting a bad example will bring you.

My 2 cents.

ReggErving 12-05-2003 10:26 PM

What a DICKHEAD!

scansinboy 12-06-2003 12:18 AM

This whole thing reminds me of a couple of people my GF's parents know. They are devout catholics and refuse to celebrate or acknowledge any of the commercial aspect of christmas. No Presents, no Santa, none of that. The reason? They don't want their children to believe in something, or more specifically, someone, only to find out later that it/they doesn't exist.

Anyone need help finding the irony?

Mehoni 12-06-2003 05:56 AM

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Originally posted by quadro2000

Is it somehow then okay that they teach their kids to believe in God?

Since I don't believe in God, no.

I feel that if you want an religion, you should eb allowed to find that religion yourself, not be brainwashed into it at a young age.

I view this Santa-thing as really cruel. They tell their kids not to lie, but what are they doing? They tell the kids there is a Santa, Easterbunny, Toothfairy etc and then tehy laugh behind their kids backs "Haha, it's so funny that little Johnny belive in Santa"

I don't like being lied to and laughed at behind my back. At any age.

I figured out there was no Santa when I was four years old and noticed that Santa had the same watch and shoes as my uncle who was out "buying the newspaper". Same with the toothfairy really. Snuck up and watched my dad put some coins in the glass. (In Sweden ou put your tooth in a glass of water and the tooth fairy replaces it with money)... and we have no such thing as a easter bunny here. People just give you eggs made of paper filled with candy.

Mehoni 12-06-2003 06:06 AM

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Originally posted by vermin
As a child, my parents explained the Santa Claus myth and it makes an interesting fairy tale. But in my family we always celebrate the birth of Jesus as the main point of Christmas.

The funny thing is that there is no mention in the bible that Christ was born on the 24th/25th of December. :)

It's a pagan/heathen-ritual turned Christian.

CandleInTheDark 12-06-2003 07:44 AM

Anyone who lies to their children deserved this.

gwr_gwir 12-06-2003 09:32 AM

meh, the kids have to either face reality at some point, or go and join the govt. the DJ just broke the news a bit early, so some think. whoop de doo. to hell with the lies we tell ourselves.

Gman 12-06-2003 10:50 AM

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Originally posted by sixate
That is easily the most retarded question I've heard in a long time.
I can breathe it. It keeps me alive so obviously it exists. What keeps you alive in your fantasy?

Hey, I'm just trying to get the correct definition of reality.

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Reality is what you see with your eyes, not you mind.
That's what you said right? And I mean, sure I can feel air, but I can't see it. And since you seem to be so intune with reality, I would think that whatever definition of reality you give would be the best possible one.

So... you can't see air, so that means it doesn't exist based on your first definition. But, then you said it exists because you can breathe it on your second definition. I think you should re-tool your definition so people can't give examples if you're gonna be go against everything that's so stupid like "fantasy" and "beliefs" .

sixate 12-06-2003 12:30 PM

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Originally posted by Gman
That's what you said right? And I mean, sure I can feel air, but I can't see it.
I just saw it when I was outside. It's freezing cold, and every single time I take a breathe of air I can see it. You ever see some leaves being blown around by the air? I sure have. If air isn't doing that then please enlighten me and tell me what's going on.

Mr. Spacemonkey 12-06-2003 12:39 PM

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Reality is what you see with your eyes, not you mind.
So, I'm guessing love and hate don't exist.

And not to mention blind people. I guess your saying they have no sense of reality.

You know, I'm just clarifying what you said.

Jack Ruby 12-06-2003 12:39 PM

Well yeah, he's a stupid fucking jerk for doing it. But it's not the end of the world, isn't it ? Seriously, did any one of you break down crying or feel terribly disillusioned when you found out ? I sure didn't. It's a bit of folklore and commercialism, nothing more.

billege 12-06-2003 01:05 PM

Good for him. I don't think the wholesale setup of children is funny. Do people ever stop and think about how often adults outright lie to children? Where is the justification for this? Do adults create these fictions out of some sick desire for amusement? Why is it fun to set up whole delusional systems for kids?
It's not.

Calling lying "magic" is crap, by the way. If I lie to you about something and then called it magic, I don't think you'd be amused. So why the double standard for kids?

Kids get lied to enough. Santa is one more needless lie they don't deserve.

sixate 12-06-2003 01:39 PM

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Originally posted by Mr. Spacemonkey
So, I'm guessing love and hate don't exist.

And not to mention blind people. I guess your saying they have no sense of reality.

You know, I'm just clarifying what you said.

People are just getting stupid with this. Emotions fucking exist! You can see people act out their emotions for christ's sake. I can see someone cry. I can watch to people fuck! Blind people have a sense of reality, but I'll guarantee you it's different for someone who has never had sight during their lives compared to someone who can see.

Gman 12-06-2003 04:18 PM

We're just trying to go by your definition of "everything you can see with your eyes is reality"

webfiend 12-06-2003 05:33 PM

This DJ guy sounds like a bit of an ass, but what sort of morning show does he do? There's lots of morning DJ shows in town around here, but only one or two that I would be willing to let my children listen to. Especially if they say "tune in, kids!" :)

anleja 12-06-2003 07:09 PM

So if we don't tell kids about Santa for the sake of "keeping it real", is there anything wrong with going the next step and showing them things that are without a doubt real, such as burn victims, starving children, war casualities, etc? Isn't it lying to keep stuff like that away from the kids?

What I'm trying to say is that having kids face our cold reality at such an early age is not necessarily a good thing. I think the wonder a kid has in believing in Santa outweighs the disappointment they have when they realize the truth, at least was the case for myself.

Stare At The Sun 12-06-2003 07:26 PM

The guy is an ass, no matter how you cut it. If a parent decides to tell their child the story of santa, they should also be the ones to bring down that myth, not some DJ. I don't know what that guy was thinking, or who let him do it, but, I wonder how much their ratings will drop...

Finchie 12-06-2003 07:55 PM

Having been told about Santa but never actually believing in him, I find this hiliarious. Parents should not be lying to their kids. White lies are ok, but blantantly retarded lies such as a fat man is coming down the chimney every year to give you a present are ridiculous. I'm not against the parents anger against the Radio DJ (he should not have told them, but if he did, oh well), I just think the entire Santa thing is dumb.

tangledweb 12-06-2003 08:26 PM

>>That is easily the most retarded question I've heard in a long time.
>>I can breathe it. It keeps me alive so obviously it exists. What keeps you alive in your fantasy?

Sixate, you sure are getting nasty for someone who is a moderator on this board. Ease up.

edited to remove info not pertinent as I missed the page 2 notation.

BentNotTwisted 12-06-2003 09:39 PM

I don't listen to morning talk radio. This is just one more reason not to. I don't understand how the parents who let their kids listen to the program could have done so blindly, knowing the standard BS programming these morning shows put on. They should be blaming themselves for even having the radio on, rather than blaming the station.
I remember realizing Santa didn't exist. When it hit me full on, I felt like I had been lied to and my parents had betrayed my trust. If someone asked me then or even now, if I wish my parents had told me the truth, I would say no. Back then I would never have given up the special gifts Santa had delivered, now I am glad I had the chance to experience that magic and fantasy. The fun and anticipation of those youthful Christmas mornings is more than worth the small deception and I am glad my parents did not tell me the truth.

Fire 12-07-2003 02:11 AM

the DJ is a dick- we all raise our kids differently- he decided to be an ass for the publicity- his little crusade doesnt justify drawing kids into it, when they are not in any way responsible for the things he is against- how the hell is their believeing or not going to effect our rabid comercialism- are those parrents not going to trudge out to the stores and buy them gifts this year?- what the fuck was the point....

analog 12-07-2003 04:46 PM

I laughed my ass off when I heard about this. Funny as all hell. I hate kids anyway, so I really don't care about "ruining the magic", but seriously... why would you intentionally lie to your kids about something so stupid? Over presents? That'd be like telling a terminal child that it's not a disease, "it's a mean-old Evil Fairy, what done and put tha cancer in ya!" Reality is easier to accept than fantasy.

dragon2fire 12-07-2003 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sixate


I never believed in Santa, big surprise huh, and when I was in first grade I told all the kids in my class there was no such thing, and that their parents were lying to them. I damn near got my ass kicked by the entire class. They all thought I was the liar. I also told them their parents were lying to them about god..... They'll all realize one day that I'm right on that on too.



hahaha thats funny

Pyrate 12-08-2003 07:42 AM

It's about flipping time as well...

The act of dispelling lies can never be criticized.

Santa doesn't exist, so why tell ur kids he does?

Destrox 12-08-2003 07:43 AM

I heard about this on a radio stations morning show, that was one of the most horrible things a person could do to a kid if they are young enough.

Sad really, all that for publicity.

Fuckers.

krwlz 12-08-2003 08:39 AM

At the rs\isk of posting a boring low word post...


What an asshole.

majik_6 12-08-2003 10:19 AM

I'm glad that the DJ's I work with aren't as heartless as this guy.

Regardless of whether children should or should not believe in Santa, it is really up to parents to raise their children, not television or radio stations.

This would be similar to a DJ telling young children to tune in, then giving a detailed sex-ed talk. Yeah, everyone has to find out sometime, but it's a potentially important topic that kids either need to discover for themselves (like I did) or learn during a heart-to-heart with a parent, or a hiking trip with Granpappy or whatever the hell the parents decide is appropriate.

Yes, I understand that there is a difference between sex ed and the whole Santa thing, but the idea is the same.

jawshoouh 12-08-2003 05:15 PM

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Originally posted by Mehoni
Since I don't believe in God, no.

I feel that if you want an religion, you should eb allowed to find that religion yourself, not be brainwashed into it at a young age.

I view this Santa-thing as really cruel. They tell their kids not to lie, but what are they doing? They tell the kids there is a Santa, Easterbunny, Toothfairy etc and then tehy laugh behind their kids backs "Haha, it's so funny that little Johnny belive in Santa"

whoa whoa whoa, stop the presses. you mean there's no Easter Bunny or Tooth Fairy? no wonder my pillow's so fuckin hard...

call me a baby-hater (and you wouldn't be the first), but i thought it was quite funny, what the DJ did. nothin like a firm dose of reality to shred the hopes and dreams of the future of america!

splck 12-08-2003 06:08 PM

Notice that for the most part, people who think it's funny tend to be one's that dont like kids or don't yet have them and people that think it's cruel tend to be one's that like kids and have them.

krwlz 12-08-2003 06:45 PM

Splck, i think your right. I love little kids (no Im not perverted). Even being only in my first year of college, nothing brings quite the same smile to my face as little kids having fun.

I dont want to witness my own kids having fun for a good long time though! ;)

legolas 12-08-2003 07:09 PM

It's just one man's opinion.

Elegant Holmes 12-09-2003 03:51 PM

I blame a biased media for discovering the truth and steering our children toward the ultimate reality which will result in the destruction of the human race.

denim 12-09-2003 04:47 PM

I think the main problem here is the way the DJ broke the news, after urging kids to listen.

While I'm not a Christian, I don't see how lying to kids about this helps them develop as people.

rsl12 12-09-2003 05:16 PM

there is also the sad issue of economical standing and santa--kids from rich homes end up with shetland ponies, kids from poor homes end up with something from the dollar store. when kids compare the goodies that santa gave them, what kinds of conclusions would they make? that santa loves kid x more than kid y because kid x got a better present?

glasscutter43 12-09-2003 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by pocon1
The guy was a dick. Parents have the right to tease and manipulate their kids for their own pleasure. That is every parent's right. My dad told my sister when she was six that if you ate anchovies on pizza and drank kool-aid, they would come back to life and swim in your stomach. That is the fun parents get to have. Kids are made to be told stuff and to have fun with. It is not for other people to spoil your fun.
Still laffin my ass off.


As far as GOD and SANTA...
I got stuff from Santa and still waiting for God, well , not really. I never believed in God, but I always believed in Santa. He brought me a gift right up until I turned 38 and then they stopped coming the same year my Mom passed away. Funny how that worked. You have to believe to receive.

Now, this ass on the radio. I would love to see a list of sponsers for his morning show so I could write them all a letter stating how I felt about their products being pitched by a "non-believer". Maybe this ass on the radio needs to read the letter "Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus".

glasscutter43 12-09-2003 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by pocon1
The guy was a dick. Parents have the right to tease and manipulate their kids for their own pleasure. That is every parent's right. My dad told my sister when she was six that if you ate anchovies on pizza and drank kool-aid, they would come back to life and swim in your stomach. That is the fun parents get to have. Kids are made to be told stuff and to have fun with. It is not for other people to spoil your fun.
Still laffin my ass off.


As far as GOD and SANTA...
I got stuff from Santa and still waiting for God, well , not really. I never believed in God, but I always believed in Santa. He brought me a gift right up until I turned 38 and then they stopped coming the same year my Mom passed away. Funny how that worked. You have to believe to receive.

Now, this ass on the radio. I would love to see a list of sponsers for his morning show so I could write them all a letter stating how I felt about their products being pitched by a "non-believer". Maybe this ass on the radio needs to read the letter "Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus".


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