When is TFP due for an axing?
 

Looking at the member list, I notice that probably the *majority* of accounts on here have been active since the birth of TFP v4.0 and they have a whopping ZERO post count.

Lurkers eating up precious bandwidth!

Although I do have to say, board speeds have been quite nice so far.

Ax time - Whenever the Admins feel like it.

Yeah, right before v3.0 went down it was certainly looking like we'd accumulated a very nice set of 0 posters who seem to have quickly returned with v4.0. It did make a difference last time you "cleaned house" so to speak. Maybe give people a couple weeks to see if people are just busy or really are lurking, put out a warning then a week later, bring it down.

I don't know about 4.0 but axing on 3.0 was automated. That is, people were given a reasonable time to get accustomed to TFP and then were expected a reasonable amount of participation. Keep in mind that just because you see a user in the members list with a post count of 0 it does not mean they haven't already been axed.

Ach, I don't mind anyway. I am sure that those lurkers will be dealt with eventually. I am here personally because I like interacting with all of you who DO post, I don't waste any time thinking about those soon to be axed...

I think the Titty Board should be earned. That'd easily get rid of the lurkers who just come here for the free tits.

BoCo, thats actually not a bad idea at all.

Very true, however I believe the downside to doing this would be that the quality of the posts in the forums would be be affected, with people just posting anything, trying to 'earn' the free porn.

What I dont understand is, if bandwidth is so precious, why encourage people to reply to a post if it's good? There's no real point in reading fifty 'Awesome post man. Thanks' replies?
Doesnt that tax the bandwidth and waste server space? Maybe some form of 'rating' would be more appropriate for the porno section of the board? ie. If you like the chick someone has posted, give it 5 stars. The total number of stars is then saved and displayed in the index. So users know that if a post has 500 stars and has been viewed by 100 users, then its a good post.

I also think that this is a very good idea!

That is a great idea. I second this idea. Vote on the motion?

I rate 99% of the threads I view on the TB. But I also like to make comments -- not just "Nice Rack" but there are times when a quality reply on the Titty Board is warranted.

Considering that it's just text, I don't think that it puts that much of a strain on the server. Lots of people viewing threads who won't reply, however, does put an extra strain on it.

Since the pics are linked off server, its actually the long list of "nice tits" posts that follow the pictures that use any bandwidth, and the refreshing threads and loading the threads. Unless I'm completely confused, a long ass thread in this forum will take as much bandwidth to transfer as a long "ass" thread in the titty forum.

I think that this is a good idea.

I am surprised that a board with this much traffic in the titty board..There wouldn't be a *Earn your way into the Titty Board* Kind of rule.

I think it should be done.

Earning the titty board: That concept has been tried out, and it failed miserably. It's good in thought, but people just dont behave.

While it sounds good on the surface I think you should look at it from another angle - what brings people to the TFP to begin with? Usually it is the Titty Board. I would almost bet big bucks that a huge majority of all posters spent nearly all their time on the titty board in the beginning, then gradually branced out onto the other boards. I don't know if it would work in reverse.

Ax away I say, but you'll kill off my brother who still hasn't posted yet and is trying to get up the nerve to post his art in the creative dept. If there's any way to save his ass and ax the TB lurkers, do it!

Earning the right to go to the Titty Board might be a good idea, although it might backfire and stop the influx of new members. Also, I don't agree with getting rid of comments - People go to a lot of trouble to post pictures (something I have yet to master) and I think they deserve the chance to read the feedback for a job well done. Otherwise, where's the motivation? We can only depend on altruism for so much.

Push your brother a little harder.
He won't have to worry about negative comments and the folks on the Art board are very supportive.
We look forward to his work.

Just axe if they don't have a certain number of posts.

What happened to the post count for the users. I don't even know how many I posted, for all I know, I might be axed...

*Go_AVS loses his head*

false alarm, my sunglasses fell off..

wont that just encourage more nice tits, wow, awesome and other single sylable responses?

Nice in concept, but I doubt it would work.

I was lured by the boobs, but here I am, a regular poster. Plus I too think that it would just mean alot of worthless posts to get access.

I think the current system of periodically axing non-participants is probably the best solution to a difficult problem.

Like Lebell, I have become a regular poster after first being lured by the promise of free porn. A lot of the posts on the titty board are short wow, nice, great, keep it coming, type stuff anyways. There was one guy in particular on 3.0 that I remember that had over 500 posts in 2 months and the best reply he had was Damn Nice! If we force them to earn it by posting in the rest of the threads then I think these boards will be spammed with Uh-huh, yep, nope, I agree, etc. I don't think any of us want to slog through dozens of those posts for each quality post.

BoCO's idea has been proposed before in some form or the other. But I share End User's reservation that the quality of the posts* would drop.

Pot. Kettle. Black:cool:

eek, guess I'd better participate.. :)

Hi guys from little old New Zealand :D

I agree, Lurkers contribute nothing and should not be here.

I only found this place because of the titty board. Imagine if it wasn't there at the start for me :(

I'll admit that when i first joined I was a lurker, then the rule about maintining a minimum level of participation started. After that though, I have been posting comments that I think help to contribute to the topic, but in the beginning i did start off with a few of those 1-2 word posts in the TB, and then just migrated to the more interesting topics in the other forums.

Well I was pretty much just lurking until I read this post... not on the titty board tho, just reading general discussion and the advice forum, I didn't even know you guys didn't like lurkers until this thread came up :) So yeah I've actually started participating in the conversations now :D

Guess there's more people lurking than ya think, including people you know (online anyway, Azmodan I'm lookin at you :p)

I too started to come here for the titties, back when it was just titties, this is my second incarnation, and as it expanded I found my way into other forums, like this one. I've posted stuff here, asked for help in advice, posted my homemade Bailey's recipe. Give others a chance to find their way around the board. Maybe they are just shy. or maybe they are like me: Active participant 95% of the time, but at the moment, eyeball deep in final exams, and just ducking in and out.

Yeah i would have to say it is up to the admins i guess. It is there board and if they feel people dont contribute they should get the axe.

In 3.0, I am ashamed to say that I only posted in the Titty board and the Links board. I vowed not to do that in v4.0, and its going pretty well. I seem to keep going back to the Nonsense board. lots of fun there :)

Not a bad idea....but I guess phred said it...it failed

actually cant you like click on their member name and look at their last ## posts? if so that could speed up a look up lurker and ax them somewhat

I came to this place for the titties, but I stayed for the forums. But I wouldn't have done it the other way around, oddly enough. Still, it's probably an effective way to keep numbers under control.

I think the titty board posts should not count towards the post count. Tons of people just post too simple responses. Responding to someone's post on the titty board is common courtesy. If someone starts a thread in the titty board, that should be counted, but not the responses. After you take out those titty board posts, anyone who doesn't have a post within a week or something should be axed.

I was a member of Bianca.com along time ago, I found TFP through them. I love the titty board but posting is fun, and keeps me around.

No no no, you got it all wrong. This is your first incarnation, Beelzebub was your second!

Bah, no one reads classic literature anymore. ;)

I'm a newbie to this board...I'm not sure what a "lurker" is. Am I one? This is my first post, although I read the forums almost every day. I like reading what people have to say, but dont really feel the need to chime in. Beleive it or not, I have only been in the TB a few times, since I only have internet at work and don't feel like getting fired anytime soon. :)

Do I need to start making posts to ensure I'm still allowed to visit?

On the one hand it is true that Lurkers by definition do not add comments to a thread, but on the other hand they do contribute a few things -
<ul><li>They make up part of the audience that listens to those who DO post</li><li>They add to the hitcount, which in turn keeps the tfp as a "popular site" as judged by Google and others</li><li>They have the POTENTIAL to talk - sometimes it just takes someone to press the right hot button or for them to get comfortable - better than NO POTENTIAL, right?</li><li>They can refer others, axing them means they won't</li><li>They come seeking titties, who knows where they'll end up</li></ul>

Chances are if someone is referred by a lurker, the referred person will also be a lurker. I doubt most of the new people read the TFP charter. I didn't my first time joining, and I got axed numerous times on v3.0 before I figured it out. But there is always a chance that the referred person will not be a lurker.

I think the board will need to compare posts with the time as a member...... I've just gotten back to the forum after it's recent collapse, and this is only my second post..... so lets temper all this axing vehemence a tad.......?

Just make a post count of 1 needed to see the Titty board, and don't advertise it.

And ban everyone who posts "wh3r3s the t1tty b04rd that f4rk l1nk3d t00 d00ds. p34ce."

:)

Give them a little more time, I think. TFP 4.0 is still young.

When lurkers etc are axed, is a record made of their email addresses? You need to give a valid email address to register so TFP does have one for everyone. Ok, most people now have two or three emails, and can get more online accounts, but it's hasslesome and time consuming. Thus, I have no idea whether this is implementable or not but my 2p:

Keep the charters going etc. Anyone who has been a lurker for a month, send them an automated email containing the policies, and subtly reminding them that their contributions are needed. If they are still a lurker after 2 months, send them another auto-email with the charters etc, and reminding them to post etc. 2 more weeks, then ax them, and blacklist the email address so they can't re-register with it. Thus, they will get 2.5 months of access per email address they are able to get, which really should be sufficiant to differentiate the lurkers from the bods who are really interested. Ok, not foolproof, but potentially a better system than we have now. Opinions?

The last time there was an axing, a notice was posted on the Titty Board. Plus, there was the announcement on all the boards. We don't want to spam our members. If there's another axing, there will be warning. If they choose not to follow it, oh well.

Well cowudders, while it sounds great, it also sounds like a resource hog....

You win a cookie.


Axing will happen when it happens, and most likely not before that, but it probably will happen after that.


Final thought: Minimum post count requirement = SPAM.

Drop the axe in whatever way you guys see fit.
Whats this about homemade bailey's

I say let the axe fall...but i heard something in irc about that when the axe falls..new registration can't happen. Is there a way we can do a mass emailing to the people with 0 posts?

How about those that are absolutely petrified about posting, be allowed to choose between posting, donating or axeing?

I love the tfp but honestly is has been very slow the last several days... from work and home.

I followed a link from another forum (yes to the tits :D )... but after reading some of the posts, I really like the format and the wide variety of topics.. Being an Auto Tech myself I will try to help out in the auto forum as much as I can.:cool:
but I have noticed that it is very slow to load pages (I have cable BTW). so anything to speed it up is ok by me.. as far as axing that is.

I CAME FOR THE TITTIES AND OTW, BUT I STAYED FOR THE DEBATES!

(oh yeah, the exhibition board is pretty spankin' too)

I think that was the policy on 3.0. I'm not a real frequent poster so I donated to make sure I was still in. ;)

I'm relativley new here too, and rarely drop my opinion on the discussion topics. But I read most of the forums...I understand that it's supposed to be an interactive community, but keep in mind that the TB is not the only place where lurking occurs. And setting up post requirements, for any forum, will probably end up being a detriment to discussion quality across the board.

Just out of curiosity, how much *does* it cost to run a server similar to this one - given the point above, that most of what is actually stored by TFP may be text?

Wow, I came here for the titties board. I read other threads but this is my first post, but it is not really a contribution. I guess I never feel I have anything to contribute. I guess I will start forcing myself to post and not only replys on the titties board. Heres to hoping I fit in and start to contribute more.

more than we get in donations. we have upwards of 200 connections at any one time, continually, throughout the month, and it's not just text. you download all the little images that go w/ the PHP page, the icons, etc, and they're not big, but it all adds up.

That said, chill on the axing thing, guys. s'not a big urgent deal right now. members GOOD! ;)

Been thinking the same.

True about spamming the members, but the only ones who would get the email would be those who have a post count of next to nothing and deserve axing. Once this process has been through a few times, people would learn and you'd have a lot of the leechers simply go away and not bother returning. Also, it wouldn't really be that much spam - it would be a genuine warning, received twice prior to axing. Two 'spams' per member - not much! Although I'll give you that the warnings go up on the top of the board so they should really read them and abide by them if they want to keep their membership.

Also, addressing krwlz's point about being a resource hog - would it really be? The resources that would be freed up by having the leechers locked out may well compensate.

yup./...wrkime ...i'm in on this idea too.

thanx for the insite End User

I browse this section alot more than I do the TB!

as much as people talk about titty board posts being useless, so are alot of the posts in Nonsense as far as contributing to the sum total of human knowledge. Don't get me wrong, I actively troll the Nonsense board because it brightens my day, but the word association game and word morphing game REQUIRE one-word posts.....and that helps more than "thanks" on the titty board how? Not saying to axe the Nonsense board, but people need to keep their perspective on things.

I came here for the titty board originally, was axed before 3.0 or whatever. After you opened membership back up, I came back and decided to start particpating in order to be able to remain a member.

After genuinely participating though, I can say that the titty board isn't the main reason I come here now however. :) /glurge ;)

I was under the impression that the axing program counted the number of post counts and the number of words in the post count. I.e. a bunch of 2-4 word posts would still result in you getting axed.

there's positives on both sides of the equation, and unfortuntely finding a middle ground is a difficult thing

I found this board by accident following a link form Madville and have not been back there since.

I know I'm not one of the true long time regulars but I will agree with those who say the titties board should be earned. I don't understand those who don't at least post a reply or two or check in, I mean do they think we will track them down??

Hell, I think this is the best forum on the internet and had no problem opening up my wallet to help those who keep it up and running.:icare:

Hell I'm not even able to post a avatar yet..... which reminds me, who many posts do I need to be able to post one???

Like a lot of others I came for the porn and got axed because I refused to add inane comments to the bottom of every titty post. It was only after I got involved in the other forums that I started posting replies.

I came for the porn aswell. Not to keep from getting axed, but this is the first forum that I feel comfortable enough posting (15 messages in 3 days, and some almost make sense!)
What would be rule of thumb for axing somebody anyway? how many posts/words in how much time constitutes a proper member?
What about the shy guy posting posting one ultrabrilliant message, saving some poor deluded bastard from a lifetime of involuntary celebacy?

This site was recomended to me for the titties- once i got here found all the other great stuff- just started posting , and agree that it is nescessary for the good of the comunity, but only if you have something worthwhile to say- forced comentary is never as good as honest stuff, also I don't feel that part of the site should be restricted, hell didn't everyone start as a lurker- seems to me that the non-posters will wander off on their own anyway

If you like the chick someone has posted, give it 5 stars. The total number of stars is then saved and displayed in the index. So users know that if a post has 500 stars and has been viewed by 100 users, then its a good post.

I agree. Let's vote on 5 star or a Bo Derek 1-10 rating.

please don't axe me =)

hehe
 

Whats happens to the bandwidth if suddenly all the lurkers start posting?

In reply to the anti-lurkers – I have posted some of my writings/photographs on this forum several times and I usually don’t receive replys from people with the avatars. I feel that this forum is hard to break into because of the clicky society. After attempts to get familiar with the people of this forum and failing has caused me to become more of a lurker. I enjoy reading the posts, but it just doesn’t seem to me like there is as much interaction that can be found on other smaller forums. It also seems that most people want it to be high up on the hits but that is just caused from the lurker, and this causes anger. Catch-22.

I don't know...sometimes things get pretty busy. I know I've hardly had time to log on, but I'd rather post quality than quantity.

Posting messages = Server space taken up and bandwidth used through people reading those messages.

Lurkers are only trying to save the community bandwidth. ;)

Its all you active people that are the problem.

I think this place has been too unfair to lurkers as of late. You guys cant expect to create a porno forum without having lurkers come. Thats just foolish. For shame in removing it.

Also not happy how my post to this board was removed. I try to make a contribution and instead get moderated. Ridiculous.

This is a bit off-topic, but you could make a image pack with all the little images/icons/smilies/etc. that the TFP uses and make them available for download. Then, make an option that allows the pictures to be loaded locally each time a page is visited. Not only would this cut down on your bandwidth, it would speed the site up for the users as well. I've seen this done on other websites once or twice and it does work wonders.


Back on topic: I found the tittie board through Fark and even got axed on 3.0, but after perusing the rest of the forums I found that the topics and people here are much better than at the forum I usually frequent. That said, I think you'll be seeing a lot more of me. :)

Hi, for all you people who don't run this site and don't know how things work on this board, I'd like to invite you to zip your trap about how you think things should be. The moment you realize that I've gotten us this far and learn to trust my judgement is the moment you start enjoying yourself here.