Man gets raped....
 

Alright, this thread about can a man get raped, got me thinking.

Let's say a man get's raped by a woman. She get's pregnant and also sent to jail.

The man doesn't want her to have his kid, for some reason or another-he's really against it.

Should he have the right to force her to have an abortion?

I haven't read that thread, but I think the woman should have two options:
1) Abort the child
2) Deliver the child, but do not expect or receive any support from the man

I don't think that the man should have the right to force her.

if i was sexually accosted by some fat chick i had no interest in fucking i sure as shit wouldnt have a hard on. so how is she supposed to get pregnant?
kinda invalidates the whole question.

Well, let's say she pumps you full of viagra, makes you watch pornos for hours and then takes advantage of you.

As far as getting an erection is concerned, you can't really control that very well. I shouldn't need to explain this to someone who, being a guy, should know that sometimes it just "gets hard."

Anyways, from a purely equal point of view, yes, he should have a right to force the abortion. A woman can force a man's child to be aborted (a man has no say) and, in this case, the woman being a criminal she should most certainly not have any rights, especially as far as the results of her criminal action, and the man should be able to force the woman's child to be aborted.

Of course, I'm against abortion anyway (let's not go there please) but this is how I'd view it if I weren't. Do I think this is right? Not really. Just demonstrating more or less that fathers of children ought to have and deserve to have at the very least SOME say in whether or not their child gets aborted.

Re: Man gets raped....
 

Absofuckinglutely

He should have the right to rip the kid out of her.

Although, I don't feel sorry for any man that gets raped by a woman. There's no way in hell that a chic could rape me.

1. I'm too fucking large of a person to have a woman overpower me.
2. I can control my cock.

Well said Secret. I think I would have to agree that the criminal shouldn't have much say in what happens to the child.

Face it - a man will do what a man will do. Upon having pussy dragged back and forth across his limp dick, he will get hard. So he gets hard, says "fuckit" and goes for it. The stupid bitch chose to not have protection (why should she-she's probably an ugly skank who couldn't get laid otherwise) and she gets pregnant. Should the "father" do something? You bet your boots! However men are not treated the same as women in courts. Most would laugh at him - no matter the size of the woman. Should he receive the "break"? Yes. Will he? Doubt it.

ok... how many rape threads are there!?

dayum! :D

This is a little too edgy of a topic for me to voice an opinion on.


But I will anyways.


The same social rules should apply to this situation that appy to a man raping a woman and getting her pregnat.

unfortunately no.. just like the man has NO CHOICE on whether or not she keeps the baby if she wants to have an abortion.

Also the fucked up part... since the laws have been laid out well in the land of the USofA, he'll have to pay child support.

I don't think he should be able to force her to have an abortition but at the same time he shouldn't have to pay any child support. At the same time I don't think I woman should be allowed to abort a mans child without his consent. I am sorry. If that was my child (and yes I am againt aborition as a whole and I DO consider it a child at time of conception for those concerned) and you killed my child I am sorry but I would kill you. I might go to jail for murder but .. to me thats the same as my marrying you and us having a child and then you deciding after the child is 2 years old you will sneak in its room and smother it with a pillow. I am sorry but that is my child too. I don't give a fuck if it came out of you it is no less mine. It may be your body but its my child. (Man I rant to much)

Two words: cock ring. cuts off blood flow, MAKES it hard.

He shouldn't be held responsible for the kid, but she shouldn't be forced to kill it either (my 2 cents).

no way
 

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Well i dont think that the men should have the right to say or not even sojust to kill the child . I wouldt know if a men can get rape or not , But I think that noone has the right to kill someone . An I ask you who has the right to play god?

Kristopher, perhaps you should start a thread of your own regarding this topic. Certainly many here could address you. Talking discussion away from a forum to a personal email is not generally good net etiquette. If you're too afraid to address your position in public, it's unlikely that it would stand much criticism.

God, I can't believe you just suggested that this was too edgy for you.

I say that fat chick can keep the baby or not, but the man is not legally responsible.

i'm 6'6" and no woman is likely to overpower me under normal circumstances.

but lets be serious for a minute, it's pefectly within the measures of a woman to attain drugs to slip you which render your "size" advantage completely null and void. couple that with viagra and your penis is now strictly a biological weapon that no longer gives a shit if you are mentally stimulated.

What an interesting scenario. Yes, logically he should be able to force her to have an abortion, but if it ever happened he'll never have the legal recourse to do so.

In cases of 50/50, a court should decide based on laws that absolutely need to be established. The US legal system is far behind in paternal rights.

I can't see a man becoming a victim in this way, but for the sake of argument:
If she stole his sperm on purpose she's a thief as well as a rapist and should bear sole responsibility for the pregnancy and the child, if it comes.
The only way (the victim) should have to pay anything is if he decides he wants to have contact with the child, at which point I would hope some enlightened court would grant him custody and force her to pay the child support.
He should not be able to force an abortion.
It seems to me the child is the most likely victim of its mother's crime.

So if a man rapes a woman, he should be able to tell her whether to have it or not?

There was a case involving a woman who gave her ex head, saved the ejaculate, and inseminated herself using a turkey baster or some such bedamned instrument. The man had made it very, very clear that he did not want children, and there had been a relationship for a while where the couple were ok with not having kids. They used condoms when they indulged in regular intercourse. There was a breakup, he woman decided she wanted his child if she couldn't have him. She offered a no-complications ex-sex blowjob . . . and set him up. The court ruled that he had to pay child support. I know that this was not rape, but the lack of consent to impregnation, and indeed the complete disinterest in impregnation on the part of the man echoes part of the OP scenario. The man's express wishes, and his expectations, were of no consequence to the authorities. The law says the man pays support. End of story.

What a fabulous spin on the topic! While I think it is a terrible situation- I give you mad props for thinking of it. Its wonderful to have such brilliant thinkers here!

He couldnt force her to abort until a judge ruled with him, but I agree with some previous posts that he shouldnt have to pay a dime in child support for it.

She should have her tubes tied.

Let's say some psychotic fatty breaks into your house, waits for you to jack off and steals your jizz, then impregnates herself with it - should you be able to force her to get an abortion then?

I don't know if the question's worthwhile because it never happens. Men get raped by men almost exclusively.

I think that if you did not want the child and had it forced upon you in such a way than you should not have to pay child support. Seeing as the mother is a rapist and the "father" had his sperm stolen than I believe that the child should be adopted by parents who would love the child and give it a proper life.

I don't think that the woman should be forced to have an abortion, since it's her body that the pregnancy is going on inside, I don't think that the man should have a right to force a woman to carry to term either for the same reason. I do think that the man should NOT have to pay child support for a kid that is the result of him being raped though.

Of course the courts in the US don't really care as long as someone is on the hook for child support, so I expect the courts to tell the guy "tough luck, and pay up" even though I think that it's wrong. Hell, men have been forced to pay child support for children that are proven by DNA not to be theirs, so I don't expect much sympathy for him from the courts. So he'll be raped physically, in public opinion (in that people would be uninclined to believe a man's claim of being raped by a woman), and financially.

LOL I was going to say almost the same thing.

Even WITH a girl I'm attracted to, if there's too much anxiety, the vertical action is just not there, and I'm not even that old.

So, I imagine that if I'm totally, completely uninterested, there's no way.

ya, except if you are being raped by a chick, she's probably a fucking brute ass bitch. When she says get it up or I'm cutting your jugular. You'll probably change that tune eh?

I don't think there's a woman out there who could rape me, but if it happened ya... I should get the choice, not her, also tubes should be tied permanantly, as well as vica versa if a man rapes a woman.

Also not feeling sorry for a guy getting raped, is basically a huge douchebag thing to say. Maybe you couldnt get raped, (laughable) but all dudes aren't 6'4" 220, and some women are.



But if the girl was hot as shit, I'd be asking to get raped, a few times a week I'd beg for rape.

Ah, man! Now you're comparing apples and kumquats.
I said no such thing.
(Threadjacks aside).
Overall, I don't trust the judgment we have. If men were mysteriously given more reproductive rights, I'd wonder about that.
Worry about the child a bit.

No to abortion - don't see why the child should die for the crimes of the parent. Lots of people looking for infants to adopt.

I'm playing devil's advocate a bit. I don't think the mother should ever have the right to kill her unborn child. What surprises me is that some people think it's okay for the mother to make such a decision, but not the father. That represents rather serious gender inequality. My fear would be that a woman could easily abort a child the father wants to keep, and he can't do shit about it. Legally, he has basically no rights. I hope that changes. I fight for women's rights all the time. This is just the flip side of that.

Ex brother-in-law was a roadie for a band. One holiday in Miami he is lolling on a chair by the pool, horribly drunk. A young woman swims up and chats with him - looking down at her in the pool with his promiscuous roadie experience and his beer goggles on he thought she looked not too bad. She arranges to come up to his room in 15 minutes, after he clears his buddie out. A knock on the door, and he opens it to a beer-keg of a woman who strides into the room and kicks the door shut behind her. She shoves one hand down his swim trunks and puts the other on the back of his head, and tongues him while squeezing his manhood. He is in shock, but his cock gets hard anyway. She pushes him back to a couch, pulls down his trunks and drops her own swim bottom, and straddles him. Rides him quick and vigourous and hard - he has unprotected sex with a stranger and it takes just a couple of minutes. He was still in shock when she climbs off, he told me.
The guy shakily makes his way into the shower, and is in there with his head against the wall and the water beating down on him. A strong hand reaches around and grabs his limp cock, and vigourously manipulates it while she grinds herself against his back. He is sort of hard and she turns him around, straddles him while standing, and screws him in the shower. When she is done, she leaves and gets dressed. Mentions in passing she is a soldier on a few days leave, and just needed to get her rocks off.
He began to drip a few days later. Yep, STD :eek:
He calls it rape - I thought it was tacky and sick, but that he did set himself up.

But just imagine the hormonal imbalances! Again the child becomes a victim.

I thought this was an interesting thread to bump. I'm curious how people relate this to our current discussion on abortion.

I don't think this was rape, because he clearly let her know where his room was and didn't attempt to get her out of it.
EDIT: that doesn't change the fact that it's an awesome story

I don't think that's rape. He never once said 'no' or anything to the effect. If he had...instant rape, same as it is for women.

I'm glad to see this wasn't a thread created this year, because some of the responses are shocking.

In this enormously hypothetical and unlikely situation, I believe no one should *force* the woman to do anything, because that rather dramatically impedes on a woman's fundamental human rights, does it not?

In this event, I would think that the mother would simply retain 100% custody of the child if it were born. What other rational course of action is there? The misguided OP and his early respondents seem to be stuck in the adolescent game of perpetually asking the question, "What would we do in this totally unlikely situation?"

They also, apparently, haven't developed the wisdom to critically analyze the situation and instead declared it 'logical' that the man should be able to force the woman to abort OR adopt.

I happen to believe that there have been many occurrences of this. Where the man does not wish to be having sex/children, and the women foists it upon him (either through saving his semen in her mouth, or tying him up, or using alcohol, etc. As for the frequency? Quite rare I'd imagine. But the situation has -happened-, and now we're asking what to do about it. I don't think it's juvenile at all to weigh in on it, and it's a rather complicated issue.

I mean, you're taking abortion, which is a complicated issue as it is, and adding in even more entangling variables.

While it's unsavory to force the woman to do anything, you have to consider that she is the rapist in this situation and the man an unwilling accomplice. In cases of rape with women we are even more likely to agree that the decision is 100% hers because she is the victim...how does this logic not follow when reversed?

it's a tough question.

How is it a tough question? We cannot force citizens to do things beyond those provisions allowed by law, such as imprisonment (and in some states, the penalty of death). In some states we can force a forfeiture of property when involved or as a result of criminal activity, but 'property' in this case does not apply to the woman nor her fetus, regardless of its viability.

The answer is simple; the woman retains 100% custody. We cannot force adoption nor abortion, nor can we unfairly burden the raped man to incur further financial (and emotional) duress at the hands of the perpetrator. What other RATIONAL options would you purpose?

It's a tough question because your solution is inadequate. It does NOT address the father's rights. (It doesn't burden him with financial and emotional weights, rightly so.) There are conflicting rights for the father and mother. Let's say that the man who was raped WANTED the child to live, and the woman wanted to abort it? You're telling me that this man, who didn't even ask for the child but now that it is there is committed to bringing it into the world, will be denied that option because the woman bearing it has the right to both begin and end it without his consent?

I'm not saying I have a better solution. There's too much grey. But I am saying that I don't know of a single solution, including the one you've proposed, that is adequate.

Which is why it is beneficial to discuss it, to see if there ARE better solutions.

We force medication and medical treatments on people against their will every day. Child molesters take daily medication, if they stop taking it they go back to prison. Mentally unstable ex-cons are required to take medications otherwise they go back to prison. This is the same thing.

Interesting parallel, Seaver.

Just brainstorming here, feel free to shoot it full of holes: what if the woman was given a choice? Basically, do whatever the man says he wants done with the baby. If you choose not to, go to jail/pay him massive settlement/etc. This way her rights aren't really impinged upon, but he's at least compensated for his loss/victimization.

Genes belong to the human race and should have little to do with anything. In the unlikely situation that a woman raped me to get pregnant I'd go to jail before I paid child support. The child would have nothing to do with me. I also think this should apply to pretty much all other cases as well. Besides cases where the father still wants to retain custody child support is wrong. It is essentially forcing the father to take care of his ex and a stranger. Almost as wrong as forcing an abortion. Of course this doesn't mean I don't think they'd be a douche for abandoning their child, but it's not the law's concern.

I can't even begin to comprehend what I'd do in this situation. I guess it's pretty much what a woman would have to go through if she was raped and chose to keep the child merely because she couldn't bring herself to abort it, not because she wanted it. What a terrible place to be.

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This is why men do not report rape and domestic violence even when it does happen. Reponses like this make it seem as though because you are a VICTIM you are less of a man.

Do I think he should have the right to force the woman into an abortion, no, I don't think that she should be allowed to raise the child either though. If he wants to keep the child he should be allowed as a single father and I believe receive FULL child support payments from the mother when / if she is released, I believe women who are victims of rape should be given the same option if they decide to keep the child. Much as I hate to put an infant that young into the government social systems I believe in a case like this the child would be better with a family who loves them then with the mother, rapists should not be allowed to raise children, they have given up that right with the nature of the act they have committed.

This is pretty outlandish in my opinion. I can make two statements of my own view

1- It is impossible for a man to be raped by a woman in this way.
2- A man should and does not ever have the right to force a woman to have an abortion. If the state was to attempt to enforce such a criminal action I am not exagerating to say that this would be an act of war against the people and that ANY actions allowable in war would be permissable against agents of the state attempting to commit such a crime against humanity.

It's rare, but it's not impossible.

Three women abduct, rape man in Karachi - Pakistan - World - The Times of India

I feel the same way about the death penalty. I don't think forcing an abortion in this kind of situation is as bad as the death penalty (except the act of war bit...I don't see the logic behind that), but I am against that course of action regardless.

I disagree. It is pyschologically and biologically possible for a woman to rape a man in my opinion. Sexual assault (with a foriegn object) is possible, but extraordinarily unlikely in reality, but a rape that results in pregnancy just couldnt happen.

It's this kind of thinking that makes it difficult for men to deal with their assault, and especially to report it.

As many as 14% (but perhaps as little as 1 or 2%) of perpetrators of sexual abuse of males are female. While this figure includes the abuse of children, females do sexually assault adult men, as they, too, can be violent, manipulative, and otherwise abusive.

And remember, sexual assault does not require battery or the use weapons.

Men and Sexual Trauma - (National Center for PTSD)
Male Sexual Abuse Victims of Female Perpetrators: Society's Betrayal of Boys

This are some enlightening reads that will help explain why it is difficult for some to believe that men can be abused by women:
Domestic Violence Against Men
Male Victims - Campus Violence Prevention Project - University of Wisconsin

Yes, and I said that sexual assault by a woman to a man is possible - simply not rape.

I believe that there is indeed a very worrying amount of unreported male victims of rape. But in these cases the perpetrator will also be male.

I think it's a bit foolish to say that something "isn't possible"

But it is physiologically possible and probably does happen. Just as women are reported to have orgasms during a rape. The sexual response is hardwired and can easily happen against one's will and even in times of stress. Stress can often trigger it.

And I sincerely doubt all unreported male victims of rape had male perpetrators. There are those that are on record that would suggest this. It sounds like you didn't read any of the links in my last post. I highly recommend it.

I am not denying that there can be some cases of physical assault by women on men... we tend to think of gender as absolute... but there are some people who are biolgically female by pyschologically male who may commit violent assault against other women and even men.

I am only talking about actual physical rape. I am not denying males can be the victims of domestic violence in some cases.

I would think physical rape is possible, even if you don't.

But what do you think of emotional blackmail?

I think it is not the same thing as rape

Yes, under the circumstances of forced sex the man should should have the right to have the pregnancy aborted.

There are many who think that, but this is changing. "Rape" is a limited term when it comes to sexual assault; it normally applies the violent act of forced sex, but there is more going on when it comes to sex against one's will. There seems to be movement toward addressing the various concerns surrounding what they call "sexual coercion."

Is this back to the notion that only men are morally corrupt inside, and therefore only men can commit such heinous and violent crimes?

In theory, I can understand allowing a male rape victim to make this choice. It would extremely difficult to know that you had a kid out there, even being raised by a foster family, that would constantly remind you of the rape. You don't want to think about it, but from time to time you'd wonder what they were doing...and back comes the assault. The problem is, of course, men using such a law to force abortions from women who tell them they want to keep the child when the man doesn't. I think you'd be proper screwed when it came to enforcement. Logistical nightmare.