Yes...Another Marijuana Thread
 

I wrote this in the thread about the 5 year old making a bong..But it was alittle off topic.

I love how people who don't smoke Marijuana can say how addicting it is and how it screws you up.

Have you ever smoked Marijuana? (And I don't care about how screwed up your pothead friends are, I am asking you)

Do you even know what the effects are of being high from Marijuana?

It is not physically addictive, You don't crave it like you do a smoke....I don't anyways. I smoke it cause I love the high you get from it.

And what Sad_Machine said about marijuana letting you look at pretty much everything in a different perspective...Is totally true. And don't say it isn't...Unless YOU have actually had the expierence.

Don't bitch about people who smoke Marijuana cause it's illegal. I bet the majority of this board who doesn't do drugs or drink...Or do anything Illegal, Still download MP3's. Don't say that's different, Cause Illegal is Illegal.

To all of you who are in love with classic rock (Jimi Hendrix, The Doors etc etc.) Some of you are so against drugs, But remember that album that came out when you were younger from Jimi Hendrix or whoever? I would put money down that all or most was written under the influence of Marijuana or some drug. Even today we know some of our favourite artists are doing drugs, But everyone who is against drugs will still go out & buy that CD.

Some of the best music has been created by pot heads...So don't knock it...Or cut yourself loose from anything & everything that has been invented under the Influence of Marijuana...Cause next time you go out & buy a CD that is produced by a Pot Head...You are supporting thier habbits..In a small way.

Or is it that if you can get some kind of entertainment out of it, Then it's ok if it was a pot head who made that song...But the average guy/girl smoking a joint after work is SO wrong and illegal and screwing up our lives and mind. Well, I would like to think that you people would think the same for Musicians and other Celebrities and not support thier habbits...But they are famous so it's ok right?

I have been smoking since I was about 16 or 17..I am 25 now. I graduated from high school, Got a full time job, I now own my car...Have a few other things that I worked hard to get.

But every pot head is a loser, Lazy, No motivation etc etc.

Don't judge every smoker the same way as you judge your friends that smoke.

Gotta go to work, I am anxious to see what kind of reply's I am going to have when I get home.

Nope. Don't ever plan to. And I'll still tell you that it screws you up. Why? Because medical studies show that it negatively impacts brain cells. There's controversy as to whether the brain cells are killed, whether they are put to sleep for such a length of time as to suffer from atrophy and die, or whether they are merely affected for a shorter span of time. But nevertheless, brain cells are affected. I would call that "screw[ing] you up." Granted, that's a matter of semantics, and is entirely subjective, but at least now you know where I'm coming from.
My pothead friends are screwed up, by the way. And do you know why I generalize? Have you ever taken a statistics class? A large sample (generally agreed upon to be greater than 20) is often indicative of characteristics within the population from which it's taken. That's simply biology and mathematics. Out of 20 pot-smokers I know, six have gone to college and/or have steady jobs. Not a very good ration.
Save your breath telling me "everyone is not that same", and "it's not fair to generalize." The former is obvious, and the latter I've explained in more than suitable detail.

You smoke it 'cause you like the high. So... exactly what I said, right?
You'll also recall that I didn't argue effects of marijuana, I argued motives for smoking the stuff. My point, as I noted above, you proved.

Well, shit. I didn't realize we were going to look at crimes in a quantitative manner, and disregard the severity of each. I'll make sure to use this same approach the next time someone tries to tell me there's no difference between murder and petty theft.
For possession of pot, you can go to jail for 10 years (in most states; there is no federal law after all).
For online copyright infringements, one can go to jail for 3 years. Not to champion the government, but even life politicians, with their completely jaded and skewed views of life, see a difference.

I'm not sure if this is in response to me, or others; I'll answer as though it was intended for me:

I don't care. I never said pot-heads should die, or that they were a plague to society. Do all the drugs you want, just don't hand me a line of bullshit to justify your addiction and illegal activities. Don't try to tell me that it makes you philosophical, that life becomes more beautiful, or that existence becomes clearer; you're fucking high. If it were about the altered state of consciousness and its effects upon your inquisitive psyche, there are plenty of alternatives, some that are even healthy for you. Why not give those a whirl?

No. I believe I've already rebutted this point.
My favorite band crusades freedom of choice -- and thus drug use. Do I agree? Yes, and no. I think personal choice is a great ideal, and that very few things should limit it.
Do I think drug use should be widespread, or legalized? No. Argue all you want, but it is dangerous. That high kid, driving his car while trying to stuff a Twinkie into his mouth, is dangerous. Don't even dare call him an anomaly, 'cause I'll call you a willfully ignorant fuck.

Damn. I'm sorry for basing my perception upon past experiences and events. Wait...! Doesn't everyone do that? Isn't that a basic fact of life?

I thought that all birds could fly until I studied the ostrich in school. For most authority figures, this was acceptable. Yeah, my perception before that was wrong, but it was pretty close. Conversely, trying saying all birds can't fly because you know the ostrich can't seems rather uninformed.

Congratulations on going places. As I've mentioned, I know many who have not. It takes a special will, intellect, and emotional makeup. Given that, maybe you want to consider yourself the exception to the rule, rather than the opposite.

NOTE: this is also posted in the other thread.

Re: Yes...Another Marijuana Thread
 

That is an addiction in itself.

Ya I will tell you it messes your brain up. Just like cigarettes also. You body is NOT meant to take in smoke of any kind. When you smoke, you are depriving your brain oxygen.

And guess what...I'm betting that the marijuana you are getting off the street, isn't just marijuaua. But cut with other chemicals or drugs to get you a better "high."

Having been a pot smoker for over 10 years... I'm not addicted... how do I know? because I've not smoked for almost 2 years now, and I don't "fiend" or "jones" for it. I miss it like anything that I enjoy. Don't eat a burger or steak or whatever food you enjoy and refrain for 1 year and tell me you don't miss it.

I'm not a college graduate. Why? Because I had Fortune 500 companies beating a path to my door when I was 15...I'm lucky I finished high school. I didn't start smoking pot until I was 17. I had to choose between working and making $$$ or going to school. I chose making $$$.

Possession of pot in the state of NY is 1 ounce, under that amount is a desk appearance, misdemeanor 3, equal to that of a moving violation.

Pretty lenient. Given how much more work the police force would have to do if it were otherwise, though, I guess it makes sense logistically.

Yes, I've been high on pot, so I guess I'm qualified to comment in this thread, eh?

Yes, it dulls ambition in people.

Two of my friends have told me so (both life long pot smokers themselves).

Also, too many people can't leave the gange alone when at work. Yeah, who cares if the worker is a musician. But what about my last job where the work was using knives and saws to cut up meat carcasses (meat processing plant)? Or what if it is a professional driver?

And comparing smoking pot to downloading mp3???

Last time I checked, downloading an mp3 wasn't dangerous, where as I'm sure you wouldn't like it if your next bus driver was driving high.

Now that I've said it, I WOULD be willing to decriminalize small amounts of marijuana and to treat offenders the same way that drunks are who drive, go to work drunk, hurt people when drunk, etc. are.

never tried pot and here's why
my mom's hooked on the shit. You can go on and on about how it's not addictive and such I don't care fact is my mom can't quit even with treatment,my whole family lovingly encouraging her to do so, and finally threat of divorce and me and my brother pretty much disowning her. She went 1 whole month clean and the day after she got her AA chip I caught her smoking in the garage. She's smoked to the point where she has crashed two cars and reverted to being physically and mentally abusive (I suspect pot has precipitated bipolar disorder in her). Evidently she's been smoking for years but only recently has it really gotten bad(she's 50 so menopause has also not helped the matter).right now my parents have just seperated (yet still living in the same house)after about 4 years of verbal fights (during my last years of high school and college when i truly needed thir help). The stress has given my dad a heart attack in th last week and she still persists. My dad I have tried everything and have never done anyhing worse than yell at her from pain during this whole ordeal. Recently we cut off her funds save for credit card for groceries and she still manages to get the stuff(i don't want to think how).She has stolen from me in th last year a total of 1100 dollars from my checking account (stole my checkbook and wrote checks).I'm sure some people can smoke and not crave the stuff but some can't (much like alcohol). sorry guys just had to get that off my chest.before you argue with me go to erowid,org first since it doesn't bullshit much on the facts.

I smoke pot. Daily. Im one of two people to pass my chem exam at college. One of the top grades on the physics test the day before...

I smoke pot almost daily as well. I enjoy the high. Also, yes, it does put things into a different perspective.

I have never and will never fuck myself up on weed. EVER!
I don't care whether or not you want to hear about my friends/ex friends or not! That's where I see what the shit does to people. I see it from all the people I work with and I know I don't ever want to act or be like any of them.

I'm not a weak individual who needs any substance, other than oxygen and water, to get me through my day. I have a strong mind and I'll bet I'm 1000x more capable of handling reality because my brain isn't fried. I could care less if people want to do the shit. You can smoke all the weed you want, but if you ask my opinion you won't like it. I'll never agree with people using alcohol, tobacco products, and all other forms of drug abuse. I've had way too many negative experiences with the shit. I could give a fuck less who made what music when they were high. The ones you named lived short ass lives because their addictions killed them. Tell me that's smart. :eek: Yeah, I didn't think so. I'll continue to keep my my ass drug free. Just be glad that there's more of it out there to fry your skull since I'm not using any of your precious drugs.

Some simple facts of weed. It increases your heart rate/blood pressure, decreases blood flow to certain parts of the brain, and increases levels of estrogen in men. If you would like I can pull up links, but it would be pointless because you'll simply dismiss them anyway just as I'll dismiss any bogus links that you'll pull up about weed being good for you..... One way we can find out who's right. If weed does increase levels of estrogen, which would give a man more feminine features, you will have man tits in a few years if you don't already. Check back to me when you're 30 if I'm not already right, and I'll shut the fuck up if I'm wrong. Is that a deal? I tell that to every dude I know because about 95% of the time it's true. So maybe I'm wrong now, but I won't be later if you keep up your addiction.

One thing I will say is I think that cigs just as bad as weed. I wish that shit was illegal. Also, I don't buy these idiot doctors that say weed is more harmful to the lungs than cigs. There's a shitload of poeple who die each year of lung cancer from cigs, but I've never heard of someone getting lung cancer from smoking weed. These dumbass doctors need to wake up. Obviously, it's not good to inhale any smoke, and nobody, not even you can deny that.

Kills brain cells? damnit, frowning kills brain cells, heading a soccor ball kills brain cells, talking on your phone kills brain cells, eating ice cream kills brain cells.... C'mon...there are medical studies to show that EVERYthing kills brain cells.

It is? so you eat ice cream cus your addicted to it, not because you like the taste? you buy nice clothes because your addicted to them not cus you like the way you look? c'mon. and your talking abuot relating petty theft to murder? you contradicting your self in your own post.

Personally, I like what IC3 Said...i couldn't have said it ANY better then myself. I agree some people have different view on the issue. but at least think about what your saying/talking about before you post.

*edit- missed some stuff the first time*

Why exactly was this thread started anyway? Don't tell me it was only to justify or condone marijuana use. But anyway smoke it if you want or believe what you want to believe but i won't be doing drugs any time soon. It's not something i want to get involved with.

I'm still a little confused on why you created this thread though.

Smoked from the age of 14 and quit my 19th birthday.

I will not take any of those days back. It made me who i am today.

Just wish to tell everyone. Know when to stop and know when you have gone overboard. Look to the future. Set goals. And have fun!

Nothing wrong with Ed.

Yes, it is an addiction.

ad·dic·tion

• Compulsive physiological and psychological need for a habit-forming substance
• The condition of being habitually or compulsively occupied with or or involved in something

He is addicted to smoking weed, and I'll bet my ass that he smokes way more weed than I eat ice cream or cheeseburgers. I do have addictions. I'm addicted to keeping myself healthy, oxygen, water, buying way too much Nike stuff, Honda cars, and tall thin brunettes. Last I checked that shit won't do damage to me or my family. We all have addictions to something, but not all of us are addicted to drugs/substances that will mess us up.

Now excuse me while I drink a tall glass of ice water. :D

I smoked pot fairly regularly for about 5 years, and have been smoke free for about a year and a few months. I miss the feeling of being stoned, but decided to quit when I weighed my pros and cons. My cons outweighed to pros by far. Hell, even my PROS were cons in a way. Example- Pro: weed lets me relax in a social setting. Hmm, in that I see a con: how can I ever learn to socialize comfortably not stoned?

Speaking for myself, I used pot for more than just catching a buzz. It was like a security blanket, a place where I could hide from reality. But when I smoked pot, my priorities were very skewed. Lots of times I would get stoned and just not do anything because suddenly TV turned really cool, even fishing on TV was awesome. Don't get me started on how trippy Teletubbies are when you are stoned.

Pot for me was fun, but I feel that my ambition suffered for it, especially bad because I started the last 2 years of high school. I should have been working towards my future, instead of laughing my ass off because my friend spilled his pop at Taco Bell. I know some have ambition regardless, but I really think the majority, when stoned, lack ambition.

edit: I also think people who have pot in their house when there are little kids living there are selfish, if not addicted.

Marijuana can be psychologically addictive, therefore it is bad. It hits people differently, but I'll tell you this, if it were legal, and a lot of people were using it, it'd be fucking chaos, I bet most people couldn't drive safely under the influence.
Who cares about pot-head music? Sure, I listen to songs from the 60's and 70's I like them, it's good music. If a musician takes drugs and composes though, I don't consider it to be their music. I'd never do it myself, it just wouldn't be mine.
And IC3, you've been smoking the stuff for only 10 years, that's nothing man. Come back and tell us this in 30 years and we'll see then :P

Posted by Kaos
I said I love the feeling...I don't need it or crave it.

Are body's are not meant to inhale smog and gasoline when you are filling your car up either..And all the other shit that's in the air.

I would take that bet, I only buy from a few different people...And I know exactly where it's coming from.


Originally posted by sixate
I don't know what the hell they are smokin down in Ohio that gives them man tits, But they can keep it. That's the first time I have ever heard of that...And I don't believe it. There's guys at my work who are in there 40's who have smoked since they were teens...And they don't have man tits. That's funny though :lol:

I think you got it twisted...Ciggs are worse for you than weed. And no, Nobody has ever died from smoking weed. But there's tons who die from ciggs everyday.

First of all...I am not addicted to weed, Think it if you like..But your wrong.

Nobody is addicted to oxygen..Oxygen is what keeps us alive, So I don't see how anybody could be addicted to it.

I probably do smoke way more weed than you eat cheeseburgers or ice cream.

I am sure you know this already, But all that Nike stuff that everybody loves...It is made by people who are pretty much slaves working in sweat shops in Japan or somewhere like that. I know Nike isn't the only product that is being made by people like that..But it's one of the main ones...I can't remember the last time I bought something made by Nike. Just cause it says nike on it with that little stupid swoosh thing..They charge you up the ass for it..While it's being made for practically nothing.

Originally posted by fuzzix
It wouldn't be chaos, It would be a hell of alot more relaxed...Alcohol makes people act all macho & shit. Weed makes you calm and just a happy person.

To answer space monkey's question on why I started this thread. Cause alot of famous people are role models to alot of thier fans, And alot of them are drug users. I just don't understand how the average person gets looked down on for smoking weed but all these famous Potheads are gods to alot of thier fans.

I honestly didn't expect to find this thread still here anyways, Thought it would have been deleted.

Every week a thread like this comes up. Why can't we just agree to disagree? Pot is good, pot is bad. It has its pros, and it has it cons. Fuck it. Do it if you want, don't do it if you want. This is a never ending argument. Its like a Christian telling a Muslim that his religion is right and the other's is wrong, or vice versa.
Different Strokes....
So I say just accept the fact that some think cheeba is bad for you, and some think differently.


p.s. I am gonna go wait for my man-tits to grow so I can milk them.

edit: punctuation

Yes, good idea, i'll agree to disagree. It's getting kind of annoying seeing the same points argued everytime a thread about wead comes up.

Two, ever notice that medical studies that prove good things about pot are swiftly debunked and labeled lefty hippy hogwash? But the stuides saying it's bad never seem to be critizied even though most are funded by the drug companies. Anyway, I thought it was a well known fact that there is no seriously clear evidence of pot being bad or good, other then the obvious smoke in lungs, dangerous driving stuff.


You've been here a fairly long time now, and in most threads like this one (many) the point gets brought up that regardless of anything else, it's illegal, and then people retort with "it's illegal, but it's not that bad" and then they get "but, it's still illegal" That point has been made tons, and what I think is that, what's a law? nothing, it's someone else's idea, it's a piece of papier, it's nothing to me. So, just becuase it's illegal doesn't mean it's bad.


Whoa man, getting a little hostile there, mabye you should smoke some pot, calm down, or open your mind a litte bit.

So, what your saying is that anything that affects people's abilty to drive should be illegal? well crap, good thing there is no such thing as alcohol, ohhhh wait, there is, and it's legal and booming in today's society. What excatly is the difference, between pot and alcohol? well, pot illegal becuase it messes you up, alcohol on the other hand, leaves you orderly, able to drive, and completly aware of what's going on. Well, pot does ... well I can't think of an other thing that pot does that even slightly comes close to all the bad thing's that alcohol does to you.


Past experiences are fine to base perceptions, I think he wanted you to avoid basing on personal experiences, because you are on the interweb, you can easily say "man, pot ruined the life of 600 of my friends, leaving them dead on the side of the road dressed like a clown, missing one leg, ten feet from the mexician border" I think he wanted you to try to avoid generalizing, but alas, you said seem to love generalizations.

anyway man, just calm down,

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I think he was just saying that just since it's illegal doesn't mean its bad.

I rather he was high then drunk, but i've already said all this and don't know why i'm saying it again. :)

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IC3, Although I do agree with what your saying I think Sixate was saying that he just considers all intoxicates and many other things weak, and that he's not a weak person.


did you read sixate's definition?


Holy crap, this is a long post. Your close , not japan, but third world countries. It's called 'outsourcing'. Nike, as an example, is a huge company, they do nothing but advertize, Nothing. They hire contracters, who hired contracters, who hire contracters, etc. Eventually, they end up in what's called "free trade zones" in poor countries desprete for foreign money, they set this compounds up, large walled in areas akin to prisons. The workers, children and others, are not allowed to leave the site, if you get pregnant, you get fired. You work extremely long shifts for basicly no pay, not nearly enough to live on. These places exist because of massive tax subsidizations that they give to the contracters to make the products there, and Nike gets all profit.

I said this already I know, but still, I can't believe people can opperate with this sort of logic, sure, you can't drive with stoned, OR DRUNK! BUT ALCOHOL IS LEGAL AS THE SUN!
anyway, thanks for reading this if anyone got through it all :)

I have never known a pothead who was debilitated by his habit who didn't have problems to begin with.

I've heard reliable accounts of successful people being turned upside-down by hard drugs, but not by pot.

I also wouldn't use dangerous stoned drivers as an example of pot's evil, unless you want to declare your belief that alcohol should be banned as well.

I second the vote to go to http://www.erowid.org to get the full picture. That goes for any drug, for that matter. A wealth of medical information, and personal accounts both sublime and depressing.

I smoked for a long time. Over thirty years, took breaks now and again to evaluate. Haven't smoked any for about three yrs. I never got fired for it, never missed work because of it. In the future I may smoke again, I don't know.
But for the record, I believe everybody gets addicted to something sooner or later. People can be addicted to drugs, tobacco, booze, etc. But some people also get hooked on food, soda, church, physical fitness, pain, sex, books etc.

ummm ya I did read sixates post about ciggs & weed wrong.

I do agree with him on that part of his post...I really want to try to quit smoking. But I don't think I would stop smoking weed...Not right now anyways.

good morning..i first started smoking pot in 1970 when it was $15 a bag. i am 52 and still get high every day..no, i am not a loser, my net worth is half a million or more. i must admit it does hamper one's ambition. smoke em if you got em.

I believe that the context they use is that per ounce, weed contains more toxic chemicals than cigarettes. The issue is that, while I know people who smoke three packs a day, [the following statement is not a challenge. Please do not attempt this] nobody will ever smoke 60 joints per day.

I'd also like to comment on smoking and driving. The inhernt problem is that unlike alcohol, which can be detected with a simple breathalyzer test, there is no reliable way to determine how recently and how much someone has smoked. The only assumption that can be made is that if someone has weed in the car, or has an empty bong with ashes in it, that they have been smoking. If there were a reliable test, I would support legalization with identical restrictions to alcohol in regard to driving.

I think that legalization of marijuana would be beneficial to users who, at the moment, canot be certain that their doses have not been altered in any way unless they grew it themselves.

I'm not a weak individual who needs any substance, other than oxygen and water, to get me through my day. [/B][/QUOTE]

Hit the nail on the head, sixate.

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i hate to tell you guys this but none of have 'the answer'. pot may affect me this way, you that way. you may be a stoner idiot, you may not.

quit pretending that you are godlike.

i love drug threads because it attracts all kinds but goddamn i am so sick of the 'stoner vs X'r' bullshit.

It's obvious that all the pro-drug people are just shiftless idiots with little ambition and are comparable to a boil on the backside of humanity. They'll never amount to anything and never have anything and the few braincells they have they're wasting away by smoking a big nasty drug. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

My advice, since your asking, would be to grow up, get a real job and stop slacking off at the expense of others. Go to the gym work out religously, get married, buy a house and feign happiness like everyone else. You obviously have no respect for society because smoking pot contributes to terrorism. So get off illegal drugs and pick up another habit. Some folks like to exercise, some people like to pick up a sport. At the very least, you could turn to alcohol and legal prescription drugs. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

(I know sarcasm doesn't translate well, so I thought I'd add this-------->/sarcasm and add a bunch of emoticons)

You'll never change anybody's mind about drugs. There could be mountains of evidence to the contrary, but if you believe marijuana is harmful, then your opinion isn't going to change (same for the opposition as well)

You either support a person's rights to exercise jurisdiction over his/her body as long as it doesn't adversly affect society or you're a Anti-drug, psuedo-nazi shithead who feels that clamping down on personal freedom is the last step in creating the coveted "fourth reich."

Those are the only alternatives, there are no others!!!

I've smoked regularly for the past three years, and since January, have been smoking practically every day.

In that time, I have graduated from university with a good degree in a tricky subject (philosophy), set up a theatre company and got a good job as a journalist.

I am never late for work, I never miss a day, and my work is routinely praised as being of an excellent standard.

I will admit that I'm a bit fuzzy for the first hour or so of getting into the office, but I could show you one or two other non-drugtakers who are just the same.

In recent weeks, I have secured a promotion to a senior level of staff, as well as a three-grand pay rise. I own my own car, a proper hand-made suit and a decent pair of brogues. I live independently.

I'm not sure if I'm addicted at this point. I know in the past I have been able to take or leave weed for months at a time, but since I have been working this hard, it's difficult to turn down the offer of a joint since it just puts all that stress into the background. I know I would be able to stop, say if my supply dried up completely, but I wouldn't be happy about it. As someone else said, I would miss it just like I miss anything else I do regularly, drinking tea, surfing TFP. Does that mean I'm addicted to them? Arguably.

Naturally, there are health risks, and I know I'm not doing my body any good. But there comes a time for everyone, straight-edge or not, when nothing is going to save you.

Ultimately, you're on this planet for a very short time. How you use those years is up to you. I can't look at someone who lives only on oxygen, water and exercise and think 'that looks like fun', just as they can't look at me and think 'wow, I'd like to try that'. My philosophy is that before too much longer I'm going to be dead. I might as well do the things I like while I can. If I can look back on my life on my death-bed - even if it's weed that put me there - and feel content, then I'm not worried.

But don't even dare to call me a loser.

Although this kinda thread has been done before and that i am not really an avid pot smoker, i always liked this quote.

"Why is marijuana against the law? It grows naturally upon our planet. Doesn't the idea of making nature against the law seem to you a bit... unnatural? You know what I mean? It's nature. How do you make nature against the fucking law?"

-Bill Hicks

check my avatar.

no need to say anything further.

each to their own.

good luck too all in whatever you choose to do.

*lights up.....just because i want too.*

ahh bill hicks was a smart man

Infanticide is natural too.
Just because something is natural, doesn't justify it. Nightshade is natural, try eating a handfull and see how you feel about natural.

I definitely think sobriety is always more respectable and commendable than getting fuckered-up I don't smoke anymore. I'm not inclined because i'm absent minded enough already, something i attribute to smoking a lot of weed when i was way too fucking young. I'm also poor, too poor to make space in my budget for what amounts to a condiment on the sandwich of reality.
I think using mind altering drugs of any kind is a symptom of weakness(OMG i agree with sixate!!), of an inability to cope with reality. Medicinal use is an exception(stress reduction is NOT medicinal). I don't care if you're "just having a good time". You can have a good time sober, if you're not lazy.
As far as "expanding my perceptions", or whatever new-agey justification you have goes, anything you do every day for years is no longer opening any more doors of perception in your head. Anything you fiend for, anything you need to do to feel normal is no longer broadening your horizons in any positive way.
I know plenty of stoners who just plain can't handle life very well if they lose access to their drug of choice. Tell me how that is good.
I don't think it should be illegal, because it is really none of my business if you want to smoke a plant. More power to you, just don't come at me with some self righteous attitude about oooooh natural this, or ladeedah just having a good time that.
The only reason this thread exists is for potheads to try to justify their behavior to the naysayers. If you were really secure in your actions you wouldn't feel the need to justify them to some stranger on the internet.

i just lost a HUGE post i wrote in response to filtherton's above statements, and I'm too fucking pissed off to rewrite it all.

basic gist: infanticide is not natural, it goes against the natural order of things. it does happen in nature and in human populations but it's usually because the mother is too young to handle the responsibility of having a child (or in china where couples are allowed to have one child. Girls are less valued than boys and are thrown into the river). This comparison irked me.

as for weed, it's harmless compared to other legal and illegal drugs. It does affect one's ambition, but not to the extent of other drugs like opium, heroin, or crack (or alcohol, for that matter). Taking mind altering drugs can be a sign of weakness if they're taken for those reasons (unable to handle reality), but that's not always the case.

It's a personal preference, and for the most part, it's simply a recreational activity. I don't smoke anymore, and I can handle reality just fine. For me, it really was just having a good time. There was a time where I smoked heavily and it became a viscious cycle. I'd smoke cause I was bored, and I'd find myself bored more often, and use it as an excuse to smoke more. says it all. (well except for the lighting up part :))

I can assure you, infanticide is very natural, as it occurs quite naturally in the natural world. What else does it take for something to be natural? It doesn't really go against the natural order because it is part of the natural order. Lions kill lion cubs all the time.
Humans have been killing babies since the very beginning of humanity. The only justification the natural order needs is for the child to significantly hinder the parents' abilities to survive. If the parents end up dead trying to keep the child alive, well, trying to keep the child alive will seem pretty silly in hindsight because the child will likely not survive without its parents. It sounds cruel, but then again thats how it goes in mother nature's court.
However irky you found my comparison, it is still valid. Infanticide is as natural as any marijuana plant and yet it is not justifiable solely because it natural. Or maybe it is. The important thing to remember is that while infanticide and marijuana are both natural, you don't hear baby killers justifying their behavior with a casual, "Don't worry dude, it's natural." You also probably won't hear a pothead mumble, "Well, as much as i love babies, infanticide is natural, just like my beloved marijuana, so it is allright for me to kill my child."

What irks me is when people use the "naturalness" of marijuana as some kind of inherent proof of its goodness and a justification for it use. Mother nature could give a damn about you and there are a great many things in nature that wouldn't think twice about killing you.

That being said, i am not trying to say that pot smokers are in the same category as someone who would commit infanticide. I am only trying to point out the fallacy of the "it's allright because it's natural" argument.

ok i was thinking you were comparing the two acts, rather than just devaluing the underlying argument of 'natural must mean good'. I'd forgotten about the lions (where a new male will enter the pride and kill all the cubs so the females would go into estrus sooner and could bear his seed). It just goes against my grain to talk about infanticide as natural... since when I talk about an act as natural, I tend to take the reference as 'something that cannot be helped because it's natural behavior.' Darwinism aside, I can't think of a legitimate reason for infanticide. Point taken though.

I think the 'natural' argument of marijuana is related to the 'not as harmful as other drugs' one. Marijuana contains everything you need to get high, and only requires some drying before it can be consumed. When I pit this against how synthetic drugs are produced (and the effects they have on the body), I would say that marijuana is a better, more 'natural' option. I see what you mean though. I wouldn't say hemlock is a great drug, simply because it is natural ;)

used in moderation, ITS FINE! quit being so anti, and loosten up. atleast experience it before you make assumptions. I smoke once a week or two, and am in the top two percent of my class... you guys gotta loosten up

i'm a pothead loser. i go to college but hardly ever go to classes. so what? i'm doing what makes me feel good. i'm not hurting anyone. ppl want to be successful to finally be happy. why work hard, why stress myself out over shit when i'm already happy? if you're closed-minded and just look at pot like "omg that's the devil - STAY AWAY!!" then keep that outlook, i can't change how you feel about it.. if you're the other way, more power to you. just do what it takes for you to be happy. i've been smoking for a few months now and my perspective on everything is just so much different - i'm all around a happier person. my dealer is out right now and i haven't had any in about a week (!) but i'm not going crazy over it, i just miss it. my ambition isn't any different btw, i've always been like this.

Re: Yes...Another Marijuana Thread
 

Let me know the next time a KaZaA user attempts to drive his car while under the influence of MP3s and winds up wrapped around a tree.

I tried it a few years ago, decided it wasn't my thing. I didn't like the feeling it gave me and it went against my personal and professional goals.

You may hate it, you may love it, GREAT! whatever works for you. As long as isn't affecting me or those I give a shit about, I couldn't care less if you do it or not.

I know daily users who are brilliant, and I know users who are complete losers. It all depends on the person I guess, and probably to a large extent, whether they were brilliant or a loser to begin with.

Cant beleive I'm letting myself get involved in this rathole of a counterproductive thread, but... I cant help it.

Your living in a world with this issue right now. Its a problem NOW. Massive amounts of people are high on the road as I'm typing this, just like there are massive amounts of drunk drivers on the road as well. Probably just as many doped up on prescription painkillers or anti-depressants, none of wich are detectable by a breathalizer and are legal. Its actually a normal thing for most pot smokers to light up while driving. I'd venture to say, most moderate to heavy smokers, do so in a car while driving on a regular basis. All you heads reading this know what I'm talking about. Next time your on the road at night, look for that little spark of light that seems to pop up at every stop light in the car next to you. Guess what? They're gettin high.

I'm not trying to get into another legalization argument here, I'm just pointing out that this problem exists already and I dont think legalization would make it worse. Cops are trained to look for the people under the influence of drugs. Breathalizers only catch the drunks (with as many as there are, they still probably only make up a fraction of the amount of people on the road under the influence of a chemical they shouldnt be driving on).

Its my opinion that legalization wouldnt really change much. Police can tell (usually) if someone is on the influence, and believe me, they wont hesitate to take them to jail and get them off the road if they see enough warnings signs. The same DUI laws apply to controlled substances that apply to alcohol. The laws to punish people who drive high are already there. Just because its weed and not alcohol, doesnt mean you wont get a DUI. Just because the breathalizer comes up clean, doesnt mean they wont be able to get you off the road if they consider you a danger to other drivers.

been a smoker for over 2.5 years i think. since then, i've smoked less than once a month .. maybe once every 2 or so. the best way to not get hooked is to just not buy. i'm more a social smoker, i do it to enjoy myself further with company. i rarely smoke it just to get high for no reason .. though it does alieve a lot of stress during midterms and finals

That's simply asinine.

No one is debating that smoking and driving isn't ok, so don't pretend like that's even a possibility. All responsible people who smoke pot will tell you it's not a good idea, and should be just as illegal as driving under the influence of anything else. Note that I said responsible. There are plenty of stupid morons out there who do whatever they please because they are not responsible people, and that has nothing to do with what they drink, smoke, shoot, huff, snort or swallow. They are just irresponsible idiots, no matter how you cut it.

People need to get off their high-horses, oh i'm sorry i mean sober-horses, and realize that just because you are "never gonna poison [your] body with that trash" doesn't mean i'm not entitled to my opion- or to smoke it all I want.

I especially love when people who can't spell properly or use horribly improper grammar tell me how dumb I am for smoking pot. Makes me chuckle every time, and usually then goes ignored.

I love hearing from non-smokers, partly because of their misconceptions about marijuana usage. Yes, there are plenty of potheads who are lazy, unmotivated, a danger to society when driving, addicted, etc.....heard all the same arguments.

I am happy to be the exception of your beliefs. Great job, awesome friends, buying a house, nice ride, was a nationally ranked athlete, still workout every morning, take care of my responsibilities. I will agree with non-smokers in that it does mellow you out, it does make some lazy, it does impair your judgement, etc....However, I have met many more non-smokers who are just as lazy, just as unmotivated, and are more of a danger to society than your typical pothead.

From what I personally know of weed, it is definitely not addictive. It has been proven that there are no addictive chemicals or qualities in weed. I am not addicted to it. I do it because I want to. When I don't feel like it, it is simple to put it away for a while until I want to relax and escape reality for a bit. Yes, it is an escape. I like the personal choice I have to escape for a bit. I lead a very ambitious and sometimes stressful life and it feels good to get away from it because it helps me to loosen up.

In short, weed is a personal choice. It effects people differently just as any other personal choice does. Drinking, working out, sex, TV, cigarettes, food, sweets, etc...can all be grouped into the same subject area. They are escapes. They are what people choose to do because, we, as Americans have the right to do whatever the heck we want to. Leave your judgments at the door and come in and relax.

Wasn't their a study done that showed if you smoke a joint or something your driving actually improved, but if you smoked more it went way down?

I'm not convinced smoking impairs your driving ability all that much. The only study I can remember hearing about this subject was one of those anti pot commercials, which neglected to give you anwers to a lot of questions you might have after hearing the commercial.

I've been smoking cannabis fairly regulary for about a year and a half. The pattern usually goes like this : buy some, get really stoned every day for about a week, then go three or four weeks without it. Though usually in those 'weed-free' intervals I end up smoking with friends anyway.

Coinicidentally, this week I decided to quit smoking (both tobacco and cannabis) and drinking alcohol for a month. Just to see if I can handle the peer pressure (against which I'm usually pretty resistent) and if I have the character to convice myself not to do something. And also a little bit because I do know a lot of people who do various illegal drugs, and plenty of bright young people who are losing out on many interesting opportunities because of their bad habits & addictions.

Wish me luck.

My take. Do what you want. In fact I encourage you to do things to destroy your bodies so I don't have to deal with your assine opinions. So..do what you want. Cause in the end..I won't have to deal with you. The moment I do have to deal with you, thats when it becomes a problem.

Smoking Pot destroys your body, eating it.....doesn't.

yes
the paranoia induced by the pot made them more cautious drivers
they did it with the study with pot, alcohol and a sober control group on a closed circuit
the alcohol group scored lowest
pot group highest (no pun intended)

i wouldnt take it too seriously
they used different drivers in each group
they should have had one group go through the course with each of the three circumstances...

All those tests are bullshit. Everything effects everyone in a different way. My high could be totally different than your high. My tolerance could be totally different than your tolerance which would fuck up the results of a test.
My blue is your yellow. And your black is my white.

Oo Ee Oo Ah Ah Ching Chang WallaWalla Bing Bang.

^ yes
thats why they should have tested the same people with each drug on the course

Re: Yes...Another Marijuana Thread
 

Hey man, I killed your mom. But you can't say anything, because you download MP3's. Illegal is Illegal, right?

i used to be a toker, and now i'm not. that being said...

i'm not here to denounce or support pot. what i do denounce is addiction. pot in and of itself is fine, as long as it is used in moderation. it is when it is being abused that is the problem.

and i'm not just talking about weed, anything pushed to the extreme is problematic. i have known some people who have put their lives on hold over video games. playing video games is not bad, but once it becomes an obsession then we have a problem.

however, with any addiction, i don't care what other people do as long as it doesn't affect other people. be it pot, cigarettes, gambling, etc... once someone's addiction starts hurting other people then there is a problem...

While I am personally against all forms of drugs (pot and otherwise) and would never ever in a million years do it myself, I have only one thing to say:

Darwinism.

See you on the other side, folks. Some sooner than others.

I smoke every day. I call it my reverse caffeine. In the morning I drink coffee to wake up and at night I smoke a joint to chill out. I am just as addicted to weed as I am coffee and visa versa.

I have done acid, extacy and weed.
The only one I feel comfortable with and can control is weed.
I am a mother, but my husband & I do not smoke unless the kids are asleep or away with grandparents.
I have never had a bad time on weed and I do not smoke too much, and am very responsible with it.
I am not addicted to it, because I pass it up quite often and it's not anything I need and I can go without.
It's all in the mindset and how you handle it.

cool, maybe i can evolve into a giant pot plant and flyman can have his way with me.

Something that is often brought up is that pot (or anything, really)is relatively safe when used in moderation, with which I almost completely agree. The problem for many is keeping moderation from turning into compulsion. It was a problem for me, and it is (or has been) a problem for people I've known and known of.

When I was 22, I started smoking infrequently as a way of cutting loose and sort of wiping the dust off the chalkboard, so to speak. At first I thought I'd do it maybe once every couple months, which eventually lead to my creating rules like only once a month, which progressed to then once a week, then not before 4:20 in the afternoon, then not tomorrow, but the next day is okay. Since I hadn't experienced high degrees of fun in a while, smoking was a blast. It was an instant party, no matter what I was doing, and I loved it.

Even though I had a strong will, I eventually became addicted, and going out with friends to hang out and smoke became primarily a means of avoiding the guilt that went with smoking alone. Hanging out together while everyone was sober became almost no fun at all, as well as uncomfortable and strange to some degree.

After graduating from college, I smoked daily for a few months, and continued smoking even after starting paralegal school despite desperately wanting to quit. I learned only a fraction of what I would've learned had I abstained, and for that (and many other reasons, mostly health-related), I'm disappointed in myself and wish I hadn't begun smoking in the first place.

Smoking can certainly improve quality of life, and for those who smoke with little to no ill effect for long periods of time, congratulations. I'm happy that it works for you, and I hope you don't end up with health problems down the road. Like almost all of my friends to varying degrees, I suffer from anxiety, and none of us had anxiety and/or panic attacks until after we'd smoked regularly a for a long time. I might sound arrogant, but I don't believe that pot is safe for the majority of people who will use it. Of course, before things got bad, I thought it was groovy, man, and anyone else who had bad experiences with pot were just 1) dumber than me; and 2) had less will power.

Thing is, when you talking about such a largely used substance, every persons opinion is their own. I could go on and on about weed all day long, some may find it offensive, some may agree... but i'd rather not stir anything up that's already settled.

One person may get sick off of it, another may get mentally addicted to it (my own brother is mentally addicted to it, and he's still a hard working individual). Saying someone is weak because they smoke isnt right, in some cases it could be true, but your making an assumption about such a vast amount of people that you don't truely have the knowledge OR information to make that statement.

I'm a smoker, I admit it, I only tell people if they ask. I've still gotten jobs, i've still excelled in life. I grow my own so it doesnt hit me in the pocket book. Don't look at me like i'm weak... i'm far from it.

After reading this thread, i really only have one thing to say...

ignorance is contagious ;)

Let's agree to disagree.

So help me, if I' ever in a car collision with someone that is high, they're gonna see my rifle.

what about someone on a cellphone? you gonna shoot them too?

it won't be his fault, he'll only be going fugging 3 mph.

Re: Re: Yes...Another Marijuana Thread
 

You've obviously never smoked weed or dealt with it, and let me tell you, that's absolute bullshit.
What dealer is going to waste THEIR money putting other (read: more expensive) drugs just to give YOU a better high? Sorry, but it's not happening.
I've heard of this happening once, but that was a friend playing a little "joke" on another friend.

As far as how addicting it is? Well, it isn't physically addicting, but it is psychologically addictive. I can attest to that. However, I can function perfectly normal in my life, even though I smoke several times a day most days (and I'm in the top 25% of my class, get all my work homework and whatnot done, have a job, blah blah blah).

Let's look at some other drugs though.......cocaine and methamphetamine for example. I've gotten loaded a time or two, and it IS super addictive (if you're prone to addiction, that is). I have friends who can use it and not crave it at all when its all gone (unfortunately this isn't me). I've also smoked glass a time or two (although I'm not very proud of that one.........) and have friends who are hardcore tweakers. THIS WILL FUCK UP YOUR LIFE. Meth isn't a joke, and it's quite addictive. I'd say I'd be on that path myself if I didn't set a few rules for myself.......

I guess to get to my point, everyone behaves differently under the influence of drugs, and some are more prone to addiction than others. It IS possible to use drugs responsibly, and in moderation (but when it comes to hard drugs, frequent users can throw that word out the window), just like it's possible to do so with alcohol (but that's a whole 'nother story in its' self). As far as the people who've become "messed up" from the drugs, with their psychological ailments and all? They've had those symptoms from the start, drugs just enhance the (physical, psychological, and everyday) problems and stresses that we encounter.

To sum up, people who've never used recreational drugs will never understand, and those who do will try to justify it all over the place. Some people just aren't cut out to handle everything that comes with recreational drug use, and these people should not be using and should seek help if they continue to do so.

hmm... my username says it all. i'll say it fucks you up. i smoke daily and it makes me freaking lazy! i have a job, a gf ive been w/ for 4 years (who graduated out of a UC), and great friends, but i know i could have accomplished a lot more if i hadn't taken that initial first puff. of course i dont regret anything because i chose this path.

Not the potsmokers I know of. I knew a guy named Jon that routinely took his Chevy Berreta out for joyrides on the highway @ 2am. He bragged about how fast he went... I've got more examples if you'd like to hear about them.

Yes. That's my other overwhelming hatred. Drive the fucking car and put down the fucking phone.

I'll admit I've only read about half the posts in this thread so far, but the general trend I see is that those who are opposed to marijuana use definitely don't have all the facts on marijuana to begin with, and probably never have taken the time or had the interest, for that matter, to become better educated. Yet at the same time I see that proponents of pot smoking could use a little help too. On that note, I'll throw a link out there for everyone to check out. It is a list of facts about marijuana that are documented and cited, and while that doesn't mean it's bulletproof, it carries more weight than a "well I heard.." statistic. I'm willing to bet some of the facts on there will surprise you, whether you smoke weed or not. In any case, I urge everyone on both sides of this controversial issue to take a couple minutes to check it out, and maybe even take some time to click a couple other links on there or to look up more info on this fascinating topic. Turning your back on an issue like this only furthers ignorance, so let's get reading people! :D

http://www.drugwarfacts.org/marijuan.htm

what does that have to do with pot?

weed or sex?

i do have to agree with that link, definatly has the thing nailed on the head. Cannabis is the drug least likely to cause any type of crime while your high, and unless your very badly addicted, or in some serious shit with your dealer, you unlikely to turn to crime to fund it.

Well, I've smoked weed, and yeah, I loved it. I also love drinking.
But I've only been high twice in my life. I do it very very rarely, obviously. But I do have friends who get fucked up all the time. Quite a few of em, and I can't say that I'm overly proud of any of them. Their actions and decisions are what keep me from becoming a veritable pothead myself. It quells all desire to smoke weed for me.

Why is there an 'H' instead of a 'J'?.................

A Canadian pot activist? No way!!!

I suppose that is unfair, but I can tell you I am a bit bitter at pot. I have seen so may people ruin their lives on this "non-addictive" drug that I can't stand it.

A couple puffs here and there is a slightly different, but so many times the motivation ( which sometimes is the only real motivation I ever see in these folks ) to be passionate enough to start a thread like this is the only real motivation I ever see.

IC3 - we all clearly like you here and like having you around. I think the reason that you have heard some of the responses you have is that we don't want another person we like go down the tubes and disappear. I honestly think that the folks here on the TFP care. You have seen other threads on what we think about you so I ask you to take a few silent minutes to really reflect on something. Close the door, turn off the lights if you have to and just ask a couple of silent questions.

Why do you feel so passionitly about pot? How would your life be without it? What motivation does someone like me have for asking you to think about these things?

Give it a shot. There is a reason that you feel as strongly as you do. What is behind that reason?

We don't know each other THAT well at this point, but I can tell you I am not some Religious wacko and I really don't want government making ANY decisions for us - pot included. . .

With all due respect Twotimesadingo, I would like to see who published the studies claiming the above? I have read countless studies on Marijuana use and none from any credible source has ever attributed marijuana use to anything more than <i>POSSIBLE</i> short term memory loss.

I myself have been smoking since 8th grade summer. I graduated at the top of my class in high school, got 1410 on my SATs, was captain of my math & science teams, won state in science team FOUR times & went to a very respectable college. I know, I know, I sound full of myself. I just want to illustrate that marijuana has not changed my mental capacity or made me retarded.

Also, I've met far more stupid people who DON'T smoke pot, than stupid people who do. Though if you ask me 98% percent of people out there are freaking morons.

Sixate I've been smoking for 8 years and I don't have man-tits.

Mattevil, I hate to sound insensitive, but pot is NOT the root of your mother's problems. She obviously has a psychological disorder/chemical imbalance. You <i>could</i> try to attribute that to marijuana use, but the fact is that millions of people have psychological disorders, and while I don't have numbers for you, I'd be willing to put money on the idea that a LARGE number of them don't use any drugs whatsoever.

Anyways, hope I didn't offend anyone, but I had to put in my 2 cents.

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But every pot head is a loser, Lazy, No motivation etc etc. Don't judge every smoker the same way as you judge your friends that smoke. Gotta go to work, I am anxious to see what kind of reply's I am going to have when I get home.

I have posted against pot on TFP before, and I don't judge others for their pot usage, but my mother was in a state a few years ago that involved a horrible cycle of drugs alcohol and men. I was very mad to find that she has slowly begun to slip back into that. The drugs and alcohol wouldn't be so bad if she didn't abuse them like she does now.

I've said before that I don't care what others do(drugs/alcohol) as long as it doesn't effect me. I personally have not tried it, and I don't find it tempting or inticing so I have no need or want to do so.

I make no judgements on anyone about this topic unless they are my friend and it has begun to rule their lives, otherwise, it's not really hurting anyone.

As for the mp3 comment, I don't do that either....

ok, as long as we are clear on your rage

heh, dayum, opinions are like assholes.....and of course I'll give mine hehe.

everything is a shade of grey. for every responsible drinker, there's a drunk who beats his wife. for every person who likes to partake in a little coke a couple times a year, there's a cheesehead who just drained his family's bank account. for every person who smokes pot and is cool with it, there's some loser who, blah blah blah.

bottom line I think is, people are people, and they're gonna be good or bad regardless of which poison they choose or have in front of them. Some people are just scum, no matter what you do, but does that mean the good people who handle their shit shouldn't be able to partake? Not in my opinion.

I'm almost 30 years old, been smoking buds since I was 18, college educated, married, kids, home, cars, great job, side business, computer geek, etc etc. Drugs haven't negatively affected my life, but I know a lot of people who have been negatively affected. Their personalities couldn't handle it.

One thing that does piss me off though, is alcohol and drug rehab. Why? Cause we're paying for it, through tax dollars. My stepfather is a vietnam vet, and at the Vets hospital, they cleared out the 8th floor of guys who fought for their country, to help out 20 year old heroin addicts. That shit pissed me the fuck off. Want some help ya heroin junkie? Here's a gun and a bullet, aim at head, pull trigger.

Oh, one last thing....anytime I've driven under the influence of marijuana, it has been a good thing, and not because I'm "paranoid" ya knuckleheads, but because instead of being all fired up to get where I'm going, and getting all pissed about sitting in a row of unmoving cars (traffic here is a bitch!!), it's like, oh well, I'll get there when I get there. If I had to choose between booze and buds, I'd take buds in a heartbeat. Alcohol in my eyes is the worst product on the market, responsible for more family trouble and deaths than anything else in this country.

thanks for reading my 2 cents :)

daily smoker thirty five years.

I had tried Marijuana and I can't say that it changed my perspective on anything. I've never saw things in a new light becuase I'm already a pretty positive and easy going person.

I dislike it mostly because I have seen what it does to people. I watched someone I used to care about turn into a fat, lazy, unmotivated addict. He couldn't get through the day without it. It was the only way he could be in a good mood. I thought it was pathetic. He never wanted to do anything just sit there and watch t.v. And then he would run out of money buying it and ask me for money for his rent.

And I've seen it not affect people. Guys I used to work with did it pretty much everyday and were very productive people in society. They were very active and had motivation to get stuff done throughout the day.

I think it just depends on what motivates you to smoke it. If its because you want to escape from reality and have a happier outlook on life because you think that is the only way you can get it then thats what you are gonna do. Or if you smoke it to unwind after a day at work that is your decision. I just feel there are better ways to get through a day.

*passes to the left*

*takes, passes on and calls two toke*