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tj2001cobra 09-04-2003 05:32 AM

CD Prices to drop up to $6
 
Article can be found here: http://www.usatoday.com/money/media/...cdprices_x.htm

NEW YORK — In a move that could lower music CD prices across the board, Universal Music Group (UMG), the world's largest music company, will cut the suggested retail price for its top-line CDs to $12.98 from the current $16.98 to $18.98, effective Sept. 29.
The cut by the company, which has contracts with artists such as Eminem, 50 Cent, Mary J. Blige and Shania Twain, is an effort to revive sales, which have dropped 30% industrywide over the past three years. U.S. sales in 2002 dropped 8% to $12.6 billion, according to the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA).

"We expect this will invigorate the music market in North America," said Doug Morris, UMG chairman and CEO. "This will allow retailers (to sell) for $10 or less if they so choose."

The wholesale price on most CDs will drop to $9.09 from $12.02, with some top artists, such as Eminem, at $10.10. UMG expects retailers, who set final prices, to start selling CDs for about $12 on Oct. 1 and hopes they will go as low as $10.

"We've tracked this carefully. There's no question: The consumer responds when we get to that sweet spot of $11 to $12 per CD," says Jim Urie, president of Universal Music & Video Distribution. Executives at the other four major music companies — Warner, EMI, BMG and Sony — declined to comment.

In addition to the price cuts, UMG will replace ad subsidies for retailers with more ads for its own products to lure music fans back into stores. The company also is cutting the suggested retail for cassettes to $8.98.

The price cuts are also the music industry's latest attempt to slow illegal file sharing by consumers. The RIAA has served more than 1,300 subpoenas to identify traders and expects to file lawsuits as early as this week. Record companies are losing $700 million a year to piracy, says Josh Bernoff, media and entertainment analyst at Forrester Research.

Forrester released a study Tuesday predicting an even bigger drop in CD sales as Internet music file-sharing keeps gaining ground on the flagging CD, CNN.com said.

"It's disgraceful that people are losing their jobs and stores are closing," Morris says. "As the leader in the industry, we feel we should pave the way with a plan that, if it's successful, will become permanent."

It remains to be seen whether the cuts will be enough to persuade young consumers to buy CDs. Discounters such as Wal-Mart already discount CDs to about $13.

Michael Goodman, an analyst with Yankee Group, warned that if retailers refuse to pass on their full savings to consumers, "They could exacerbate a bad situation."

And Bernoff warns that lowering prices will not solve the long-term problem of file sharing: "This price reduction may stem the tide of losses in the short term. But in the long run, the only solution is to provide music online for people who want music online. That's the future, not CDs."

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Excellent. It's about time....

troit 09-04-2003 05:35 AM

Works for me.... although I rarely buy a CD anymore. Its just too easy to d/l new music.

Thraeryn 09-04-2003 05:44 AM

If CDs cost that little, Jinya and I would be at Best Buy daily. We always browse the cheapy rack when we're there, and that would bring most CDs from that company into cheapy range.

GO OUT AND BUY CDs from UMG to prove that this policy works. :p

Ganguro 09-04-2003 06:10 AM

The plan sounds good, if this price drop applied to import CD's as well i'd have a box full of new CD's by Xmas.. Yes troit it is easy to download new music, but you do realize.. it's stealing right? It's just as easy to go to a store and listen at a listening station to a new cd first, then buy it... or even go to amazon or someplace online and listen to song samples then purchase it. File sharing is popular because it appeals to people's nature to get something for nothing with minimal effort. Still doesnt mean it's ok to take something for free, just because you can.

legolas 09-04-2003 06:33 AM

I'm sorry but that still doesn't beat free music.

absorbentishe 09-04-2003 06:34 AM

Truthfully, if they dropped the price even more, they would sell a whole lot more. If and when they do, I'll definately be buying more disks.

Cynthetiq 09-04-2003 07:05 AM

hmmph... when the movie costs US$19.99 and the soundtrack costs almost the same and there's no picture... people figure something is up.

bah.... i still have to see my money from the CD class action suit

Blistex 09-04-2003 07:16 AM

When are they gonna realize that people are too lazy to drive to best buy or Wall Mart, and that they want to have new music now! In their homes.

RIAA had their chance to jump on the MP3 bandwagon a long time ago.

If they just had a site that charges people 50 cents a song or something they would be rolling in cash. They could have embraced Napster and Kazaa but instead they decided to fight them which was a huge mistake.

Now they think that sueing people is the way to do it.

God of Thunder 09-04-2003 07:35 AM

The music industry: The public will probably buy more CDs if we lower the price.

The buying public: DUHHHHHHHHH!!! Ya think?!?!?!?:lol:

MSD 09-04-2003 08:02 AM

Now if they would just give a fair amount to the artists who make the music, I'd be satisfied. I hope that they don't take much out of the miniscule amount that they give artists for each CD sale.

This is a great step in the right direction. I'll start buying CD's again.

rmarshall 09-04-2003 08:12 AM

My CD player in my car only plays CDs. I have converted all my music to MP3s for the boat and the house, but the original CDs end up in the car.

So, I still buy CDs. I like the way they come complete and in sequence and the little album covers show up in the media player after they are converted to MP3s.

Cheap CDs are good.

slant eyes 09-04-2003 08:17 AM

hell, if they were cheap. i would buy them too. the silver stamped cd's are way better than burnt ones, tho i would still burn a copy for the car, leaving the original at home.

baaa 09-04-2003 08:20 AM

that makes me happy

a2k 09-04-2003 08:54 AM

Still not cheap enough. They've got to drop below the $10 mark to have a psychological affect.

tinfoil 09-04-2003 08:56 AM

I am pleased. I only hope they are not cutting into the already ridiculously low royalties paid out to the artist.

Conclamo Ludus 09-04-2003 08:58 AM

Good! Its about time. I still purchase CD's and always will. But I don't like being punished with their prices.

Memalvada 09-04-2003 10:31 AM

They should have done this a long time ago...

Still think it could be cheaper though....

glasscutter43 09-04-2003 10:48 AM

Ummm.... blank discs are still way cheaper

battlemouth 09-04-2003 10:49 AM

personally i would rather own the cd than download, the only reason i dont is because of price so with this new policy maybe i can start purchasing cds yet again. oh boy!!

World's King 09-04-2003 10:50 AM

Well, that's gonna kill the downloading buisness.

smooth 09-04-2003 02:01 PM

Where are the $6 CDs--I feel cheated?

dannoxxxx 09-04-2003 02:01 PM

yeah, i would buy more CDs if they were cheaper, obviously.

Thanks for the article.

I read the post on how many songs some people have downloaded......WOW!

Kaos 09-04-2003 02:55 PM

So is this going to affect the cost of CD's in Canada? Lowest price I've seen in years is maybe 15.99-16.99 for the new releases.

If the CD isn't a new release or the band doesn't have widespread popularity, I can expect the cost of the CD to be anywhere from 19.99 up to 27.99!!!

Speed_Gibson 09-04-2003 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by legolas
I'm sorry but that still doesn't beat free music.
I must disagree - some people that are anal-retentitive about audio quality tend to avoid the MP3 codec for the lossy formats (yes, that includes me) and prefer files encoded in Ogg-Vorbis -q5/6 or Musepack on the standard or insane setting.

I personally only use lossless codecs - normally Flac now, but still have many GBs of ape files - to encode music that will be archived here. And I always prefer having a clean copy of the master material rather than a frequently shitty encoding job done in a low bitrate (anything below 192 bitrate in my book, or damn near any CBR MP3 file) or done through an atrocity like Xing software.

tinfoil 09-05-2003 06:53 AM

An update for my fellow Canucks:

Quote:

Randy Lennox, CEO of UMC, says that the consumer has spoken and Univeral Music Canada has listened. '(The music) has been fairly high-priced and therefore, they have been feeling fairly guilt-free about procuring music for free.'

The cuts are in line with Universal Music in the US. Roughly 30% will be cut from the MSRP, with top-line CDs being $14.98 and $9.99 for new artists.

UMC also plans to launch an online service in Canada. Individual tracks will be $0.99 and complete discs $9.99. No word as to system requirements or DRM protection.

bigjule 09-05-2003 07:12 AM

I dont know about other areas of the country but here in Wisconsin, behind the Cheddar Curtain I can buy just about any CD I want for under $14 with alot of the new realeases being available under$11 for the first week of release. i hope this price drop will get my everyday prices under $10,

Psivage 09-05-2003 07:15 AM

I hope they just don't reduce the number of songs on the CDs now.

Mikado 09-05-2003 07:43 AM

Why doesn't the record association sell cds in MP3 format? I mean now days most people have some form of MP3 player. Hell most DVD players will play MP3's. Plus your PC will always play MP3's. By selling discs with MP3's they could give the consumer more songs with each disc, maybe even combining similar artists on one disc. I don't think people would be so hesitant to drop $15 or $20 on a CD if it had 25-30 songs instead of 10-15.

tinfoil 09-05-2003 07:51 AM

Because MP3 quality is a step backwards.

santafe5000 09-05-2003 08:00 AM

Me, i wait til they are in the bargain bin.

Lestat 09-05-2003 08:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Psivage
I hope they just don't reduce the number of songs on the CDs now.
I could see this happening.

bermuDa 09-05-2003 10:17 AM

that's awesome!!!!!





but i'm still not buying shit from the RIAA

krwlz 09-05-2003 10:28 AM

I like to have albums. An album tends to be a "statement" or "era" of a band. Its nice to hear a certin sound all the way through the cd. Plus, I like having the jackets. In the end, I never download for those reasons, aswell as the fact that p2p networks give hackers a wicked easy backdoor into your computer. I cant tell you how many people I kno who have had their computer fucked up by a virus on Kazzaa

MacGnG 09-05-2003 12:33 PM

wonder y it took so long?! doesnt matter music cds should be 5$ and cd roms and other video games should be 15$.

DelayedReaction 09-05-2003 12:47 PM

I enjoy having the albums as well. $10 is still a bit much, but far better than what they were charging previously. I'll have to see what artists this company produces, and decide if any of them are worth buying.

fallen_angel 09-05-2003 03:08 PM

sweet, in my opinion more people wouldnt mind buying cds if they werent so damn expensive. i know i would cuz it would save me time but then again you couldnt make mixed tapes either so i guess it might work and it might not but its worth a shot and getting 6 or 12 bucks is alot better than not gettin the 18 or 20 . at least they makin some money

mydragonfido 09-05-2003 03:48 PM

Still not cheap enough for me!!! Free is cheap enough for me!!!

Esoteric 09-05-2003 07:19 PM

I'll definately buy now, $17+ for a CD that has about 4 good songs is just stupid in my opinion. $6 isn't that much of a setback. :P

Johnny Rotten 09-05-2003 07:39 PM

I have to laugh. They're cutting the MSRP, so the retailer takes the hit while the label goes on like usual.

And at the same time, Morris is concerned about retail employees getting fired and stores closing. How the heck will this help? They'll get more sales--but make the same amount of money.

Guess who benefits, besides the consumer.

This boosts label profits without any additional work and doesn't do anything about the declining retail music industry. Brilliantly misrepresented by the label.

jeenyus_one 09-06-2003 07:50 AM

thats STILL too expensive for me. Whats the point in buying CS's when you got things like Kazaa and a burner? What a shitty little cover? FUCK ThAT!

I think I'll stick to my ways.

RoadRage 09-06-2003 08:24 AM

The Register's has an interesting take on the whole idea.

Quote:

Universal's CD price cut comedy gets five stars

By Ashlee Vance in Chicago

Posted: 05 Sep 2003 at 18:32 GMT

Step back, take a deep breath, gather some courage and then let out the deepest, abdominal-wrenching gut laugh you've ever experienced. Universal Music Group has lowered CD prices.

The hilarity of the situation has gone unnoticed by most media outlets. They've portrayed Universal as a brave white knight taking a bold stand to try and correct a very wrong situation. File-traders have eroded the music labels' revenue stream.

But a finely-tuned organization such as Universal isn't going to be undone by millions of teenagers. It's taking the daring, some say revolutionary, step of risking precious margins in favor of high volume sales. Maybe if we price the products low enough, we can bring consumers back.

"We are in the middle of a terrible situation where our music is being stolen," Doug Morris, chairman of Universal, told The New York Times. "We need to invigorate the market, and as an industry leader we felt we had to be bold and make a move."

Be bold? Industry leader? That's where the joke begins.

As The Times points out, this is the first CD price cut since the media format came on the scene in the 1980's. Think about that for a minute. New format, volumes low, prices high. Ronald Reagan was president.

Since the 80's, the record labels' have seen CD sales surge. What do we mean by surge? Let's hop over to the Clinton years, when the CD was a well accepted, popular format and see.

In 1993, CD makers shipped 495 million units and brought in $6.5 billion, according to the RIAA (Recording Industry Association of America). By 2000, units had almost doubled to 942.5 million with $13.2 billion in revenue. That's quite a run.

The labels' performance was, no doubt, helped by a "promotional program" the FTC (Federal Trade Commission) likes to call price-fixing. The U.S. government found that the labels were collectively working to keep CD prices high, during these glorious boom years. Where was the white knight Universal then? Oh, right, probably price-fixing.

Laughing yet? If not, here you go.

"What we're trying to show people is that music is a good value, even if you have to pay for it," Zach Horowitz, president of Universal Music, told The New York Times.

Well, yeah, it's a good value when you aren't artificially keeping the prices high. It's also a good value when basic laws of economics are followed. As the supply of CDs sky-rocketed and the cost of the media plummeted, the price would be expected to go down. Two decades and four presidents is a long time to wait for a single price cut on what became a mass market good. CD players certainly went down in cost.

Thank goodness someone at Universal finally went to a macroeconomics course. Give that person a raise for taking night classes at the local community college.

Universal will lower its prices for a CD to $9.09 from $12.02. This means retailers could sell CDs for as low as $10 instead of the $16-$19 currently charged. That's genius! Forget the raise. Somebody give this reincarnation of John Maynard Keynes a medal.

$10 a CD. That's exactly the price music labels did not want retailers to sell their product at during the 1990's, the FTC found. But, come on, the Berlin Wall has fallen, the Soviet empire has collapsed, we even have robotic pet dogs now. Amazing things can happen in twenty-years.

The music label mob might not be the brightest bunch, but they come around eventually.

So if you are one of those pirates, we mean file-traders and not the music labels here, go on out to the store and make things right. Sure the economy has been obliterated over the past three years, but no group is hurting more than the recording industry. These music executives need help, and now they want to help you. Cash in that unemployment check or dip into the last bits of your severance package. CDs are cheap. They are good value. Now that's funny. ®

floonine 09-06-2003 08:33 AM

I definetely feel that this might increase sales again, because I know I can get any music for free, but I don't really like to. I would also rather have all the unecessary stuff you get when you buy a cd from a strore (jewel case, sleeve, case art, etc). I like that stuff.

POWER TO THE MUSIC! er somethin...

Tom Thumb 09-06-2003 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Psivage
I hope they just don't reduce the number of songs on the CDs now.
I don't see the logic in this. A five minute CD costs as much to manufacture as an 80 minute one.

This is encouraging news. I'm not gonna give Universal a standing ovation just yet, but it's good to see steps being taken in the right directionj.

etla 09-06-2003 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ganguro
it's stealing right?
It's not stealing, It's infringing copyright. Man the RIAA or BSA exec who pulled off that bit of NewSpeak was a genius.

In many places, public drunkenness is against the law, and so is vehicular homicide due to driving drunk. In many places, copyright infringement is against the law and so is theft. One is worse than the other. There's no point in pretending there's the same thing unless you want to inflate the perception of harm by associating the lesser with the greater wrong.

WhoaitsZ 09-06-2003 12:31 PM

this is wonderful! i am far from innocent, i have massive ammount of porn i download. most music though, if i like it, i buy. if i can pay everything and donate here and take care of my pets i will buy a cd or two a month.

this happening and the services where you can cheaply purchase a song, to me, is awesome.

downright thievery is just fucked up.

at least someone had a reasonable idea. now i hope music i listen to may follow suit.

epitath, virgin, and some others..

james t kirk 09-06-2003 04:58 PM

Now if there were only some artists worth buying.

The days of Rock and Roll appear finished. There is no up and coming Bob Dylan, David Bowie, Led Zeplin, Clash, Eagles, Rolling Stones, Beatles, Who, Pink Floyd, Genesis, REM or U2.

I keep hoping for a saviour, but none appears to be on the horizon.

I remember the excitment that swirled around U2 back in 1981. This young really amazing band out of ireland that had a sound unlike any other. They were all 18 years old and were going to take on the music establishment. There's never been anything like that since 1981. How sad is that?

You can keep all the rap and country shit as far as i am concerned. I long for good alternative and Rock but there is NONE.

CrazySaturn 09-06-2003 05:15 PM

Erm, how about a weak attempt. Around 8th grade I remember $12-13 cd's, and inflation sure as hell doesn't account for a $6 jump. If they want to get me to buy cd's, sell them for ~$6.

As for the actual music, cd labels already regulate what most popular musicians produce, in EVERY genre (including rock, punk, pop, EVERYTHING) which is why many artists are able to belt out 3 mediocre cd's in a couple years, with a total of 12 good songs, instead of 1 great cd with 12 good songs. The artists are just given filler to sing for the rest of the cd's in the first scheme, but make 3x the profit in the same amount of time.

Unless record companies/sellers start actualy letting artists be artists, even if it means wiping the Britney Spears' and Justin Timberlakes from the face of music by letting them screw themselves over, and selling the cd's for a fair price, Kazaa will be my source.

Hard8s 09-06-2003 05:26 PM

Man, everyone seems so happy that the prices are coming down. Does anyone stop to look at why they can lower prices 1/3 of what they were selling them for. they are dropping the price $6 from $18. It most likely only cost them $2 to produce and package the CD. $1-2 goes to the artist, which means the grand total is $3-4 range to make, market and pay the artist for a CD. That means the rest of the $18 cost is pure profit. Now they are saying well we've held you hostage for so long that now you are willing to download music instead of buying it, we need to do something. I know lets just cut our profits in half. This will show we are trying real hard to get you to come back, and we will still be making a fortune, but you won't mind because now you can buy CD's for $10-12 bucks!!!! Sure goes to show that all the people who have been saying they are gouging us and fixing prices were right!!!!!

skippy 09-06-2003 06:27 PM

This is GREAT NEWS!

The fact is that I don;t buy any CD's except from Bands i have seen but now if the prices drop.... well I am ready to start buying again... GOOD NEWS Indeed!

Skippy

WhoaitsZ 09-06-2003 06:27 PM

egads.

could people one day not say 'yadyayada rolling stones yadayada bob dylan yadayada rock and roll is dead and will never be again' ?

it's like the 'punk is dead'.

you guys could be just a tiny bit more realistic?

i don't like much of any current music but some kid, somewhere has talent.

rock is dead? bull. it's taking a nap.

Buk 09-06-2003 06:56 PM

its simple: provide a service where I can download the entire CD or any song I want online and burn my own CDs from those downloaded files and I'm signing up on launch day along with an assload of other people.

I'm tired of paying for special packaging, inserts, special edtion 2nd disc DVDs and other stuff.

Just give me the music in a digital format.

Jay Francis 09-06-2003 07:08 PM

It's about time. I have always felt that the music industry shot itself in the foot by making CD's cost more than $10. I would gladly take a chance on a new group for 10 bucks, not for $19 though.

H12 09-07-2003 01:06 PM

Cheaper CD's = More purchases from me.

Now I just need to find a CD or two worth buying, hmm. I'm gonna keep an eye out; Universal may still be selfish with their profits, but this is helping a consumer (me) out for sure.

Lyaec123 09-07-2003 01:25 PM

Finally... I may actually start to buy CDs to save myself the trouble of downloading sketchy MP3 versions and hoping they sound ok, but then again, maybe not, haha.

Nefir 09-07-2003 01:35 PM

I get most of my CDs for $12 already. Drop the price to $6 and then we'll talk about getting that "evil corporate empire" sign removed.

Still, this is a step in the right direction.

Bill O'Rights 09-08-2003 04:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cynthetiq
bah.... i still have to see my money from the CD class action suit
The amount you will be paid will be based on the total number of claims filed, up to a maximum of $20.00 per claimant. Each claimant will be paid the same amount, regardless of the number of Music Products he/she purchased. <b><i>Note: If the number of claims filed would result in awards of less than $5.00 per claimant, there will be no cash distribution to individual consumers.</b></i> Rather, the cash portion of the Settlement shall be distributed to not-for-profit, charitable, governmental or public entities in each state, territory and possession, to be used for music-related purposes or programs.

nothingx 09-08-2003 02:03 PM

Price gouging bastards... $6 is probably what a CD should've cost for the past 10 years.

BoCo 09-08-2003 10:15 PM

$12 is still too much when you can get it for free on P2P or from a buddy who was dumb enough to buy it.

My solution that will never happen:

Set up terminals, much like ATMs, all over the place--in malls, at shopping centers, inside the doors at a grocery store, etc. They would be hooked up to the internet so music companies could transfer WAV files to them. You could then go to the machine, drop in a couple quarters, and put in a disc to burn the song on. You would have the option of a WAV file or MP3 file and, if you chose an MP3, what bit-rate you wanted. Next, insert your disc, hit Enter, and let it burn. A few seconds later you'd have the music you paid for, and the record industry could skip the retailers and make a fortune on their own. The machines could also have Firewire and USB 2.0 ports for downloading directly to an MP3 player.

This is the best idea ever for cheap and readily available music, and it will never be done. :mad:


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