Jim Kata

The "Trying Out Weed" thread got me thinking. I notice a lot of "don't do its" in there and was curious on how many people that are anti pot, are pro alcohol, and why. (Did that make sense?)
I personally am pro pot and pro alcohol. But only in moderation.

TaLoN

the only people that will be pro alcohol and anti-pot are either uneducated about marijuana, or have dumbass friends who smoke and can't handle it. facts are that alcohol is more dangerous, impairs you to a greater degree, it is addictive, and is the source of many family problems. Both are good for a disciplined individual who knows how to handle them responsibly

glasscutter43

Aunty Pot. Now there is a relative I love to have come and visit me anytime.

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water_boy1999

I am pro pot and alcohol, but pot is my personal preference because as Talon mentioned, alcohol is worse for your system, makes you feel worse in the morning, impairs your vision, speech, and judgement, and adds a negative element to family life.

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Cynthetiq

i'm C&S for the moment... but I can't invest that kind of time to catch a buz... 2-4 hours of drinking vs. 10 minutes toking on a joint...

and then like you said... aftermath..

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IC3

Alcohol is way worse than Marijuana...Alcohol makes alot of people Violent, It has done that to me in the past...That's why I don't drink much anymore.

Pot Heads are the guys in the store buying bags of chips and all kinds of other munchies and going home and Listening to music or playing video games with thier friends.

Drunks are the guys starting brawls in the clubs or Bars, Thinking they are fucking Hulk Hogan.

Marijuana is a gift from god...The feeling that Marijuana gives you is wicked, It relaxes you and makes you happy...And you think of alot of shit that I don't when i am sober...Well, it does that to me anyways.

I say Legalize Marijuana & Ban Liqour...I love the new law up here in Canada...15 grams or under you just get fined now....How sweet it is.

I don't really know how to explain the difference between being drunk & being High of weed...But lets just say it's like Night & day...Totally different.

jimk

in my extensive experience, i found that pot really sapped my energy. made me a little anti-social as well.

but the hangovers from booze.........worse every year until unbearable.

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Arc101

I'm clean of both now, don't do either. But in my experience alcohol is far worse for people than pot. I haven't seen many fights break out after a few people have had one too many joints!

Sleepyjack

Although i seldom smoke pot but readily drink, i am pro both. It has to do with moderation and also getting rid of any preconcieved ideas you have about it, as Jim Kata said.
Also pot grows naturally so its kinda hard to understand why it is illegal?
Also although i am a relatively happy drunk, you do get angry drunks and they'reno fun. Whereas everyone who smokes pot loves everything and i think thats great

YourNeverThere

I dont know if thats really law yet, have you been caught and fined? becuase I don't think that we passed it quite yet, also I don't pay much attention to anything so i could be really wrong.

Anyway, Everyone can agree that pot is much better for you then booze, and that there are people who are pro alchohol and anti pot, or the law wouldnt be what is it. So, the thing is that people don't think pot is good becuase of negitive stigma. Thats all it is, it's just irrational dislike for it becuase thats what we are all taught. Take the stupid, drasticly exaggerated to the point of hyperbole DARE commercails that describe a kid getting high and killing people etc. It's just not like that and most people know it.
So basicly its just ignorance and Prejudice.

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GSRIDER

Damn I was hoping to be the first to quote Hicks and ol <b>SleepyJack</b> has one in his sig.

"And on the seventh day, god stepped back and said "There is my creation, perfect in every way... oh, dammit I left pot all over the place. Now they'll think I want them to smoke it... Now I have to create republicans." "

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Rodney

I kind of wonder if alcohol is more acceptable to a macho culture because it exaggerates sterotypical "manly" characteristics: aggression, risk-taking, etc. Whereas potheads are seen as passive, without motivation, junk-food-eating: "female" characteristics.

I don't believe this, but when some hairy-chested type starts talking about stupid, lazy potheads while he's swilling his sixth brew and pounding the table, I gotta wonder.

Sleepyjack

lol, nice one

MSD

I agree with you for the most part, but there's one thing that you didn't mention that I think is important. Even if he's mellow and non-violent, I still wouldn't want the pothead driving.

I think that if marijuana is legalized, the biggest problem with enforcement will be determining whether or not someone is under the influence but still able to act normal. There is no breathyliser for pot, all that you can do if someone does something dangerous while driving is assume that they have been smoking if they have any pot or realted items in the car. Since you can't tell how long it's been since someone smoked unless you just take their word for it, you have to assume that they've smoked recently.

bulakbol master

lol @ gsrider

my experience with alcohol and pot has led me to the following conclusions:

excessive drinking: nausea, hangovers, and in some cases, violence.

excessive pot-smoking: better appreciation of music, food binges, and drowsiness.

which one would you rather experience?

and anything can be enjoyed, as long as it is enjoyed responsibly.

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tj2001cobra

I think that alcohol is more accepted for this reason: You can go out and drink a beer or two and not be drunk. It is a social thing.

Also, alcohol is not illegal in the US. Pot is.

As far as I know, if you smoke pot, you are going to get high. Period. People dont go hang out and smoke a joint just for the taste or to be social. They do it to get high.

Dont get me wrong, I am not saying one is better than the other. The fact is, in the US, one is illegal and one is not. One is socially acceptable, and one is not.

I personally am pro-alcohol and anti-drugs. I guess this means I am a total idiot (as stated above), but that is how I feel. When pot becomes legal, I wont have a problem with it.

Jim Kata

Illegal schmillegal. My parents tried that with me, "Its illegal!"
I can't really understand the "illegal" argument, it just makes zero sense to me.
How many times have you driven over the standard .08 BAC? If you go stop by your friends house or happy hour for a couple of beers and leave an hour later, most likely you are over that .08 BAC. You may not be drunk or have a buzz (perhaps due to tolerance?) but that doesn't change your BAC. And that is illegal to be behind the wheel with that blood-alcohol content (or whatever it stands for).
Same with people who have a couple of drinks during dinner at a public place. It is illegal to be drunk in public but that doesn't stop anyone from going outside and taking a walk at the local town center after polishing off a bottle of wine after dinner.
Luckily, for me, the police don't enforce those laws too much around here.
Nature made pot, man made alcohol...who do you trust more?

(I'm more pro pot than alcohol, but don't mind either)

tj2001cobra

Your parents tried what with you? It IS illegal.

What is the question here?

If I go to the bar and drink a beer, that is NOT against the law.

If you posess, smoke, or do anything else with pot, it IS illegal.

I dont make the laws. That is just how it is.

bulakbol master

But using that argument, one can say that as long as they can function properly, it's fine.

I function perfectly well if I have things to do while under the influence. I can shop, have conversation with friends, be a dumbass at the mall; be "social", as you put it. I think I'm a "responsible pothead" -- i.e., I get my shit done even while being high because I know I have to get it done. In fact, I only seem to pass my math exams when high


Like I said, as long as you're responsible about it, it shouldn't be a big deal.

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mrcraptastic

i am pro pot pro alcohol but i dont drink much at all anymore; i'd much rather smoke than drink anyday due to the reasons people have already said here. i can function better while high than while drunk and have just as much fun, and there's no hangover the next day, or passing out/bucking everywhere. also, i dont like the taste much of alcohol which is a large factor as to why i dont drink much, only when i really want to get drunk.

World's King

Wow... I get shit from lots of people for being anti-Pot and pro-Alcohol.

I can't really explain what made me think this way. It has to do with not being a surporter of any drug at all. And Alcohol in not a drug no matter what the after school specials say.

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YourNeverThere

I dont understand that arguement, why is any law correct? What about laws like "no eating oranges in the bath tub in California" or "no dragging a dead horse up main street on sundays" and things like that. Sometimes laws make sense at times and get outdated, sometimes laws are so completly wrong that they should never have been made. Have you read the Crucible? like really.
Is it that your afraid of the concequinces? which is fine, like that dude who failed a drug test in that other thread recently, he might loose his job over it, there are plently of valid reasons not to smoke pot, pick one, it's easy.
But, objecting to solely becuase it's illegal is kind of strange, what about the places where it's not illegel, would you smoke there? or what?

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cradeg

if you have pot nothing happens the next day
to much alk you get to pay the next day (heheh) .. i like things that have consequences

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tj2001cobra

The law about pot is not an outdated law, such as the horse dragging law you talked about. The law about pot is discussed ad nauseam (look at the TFP forums) everywhere around the US and in just about every forum.

I am not saying it is right or not, but the MAIN reason I choose not to smoke pot is because it is against the law. What is so hard to understand about that?

I dont kill people, I dont steal, I dont shoot my gun in my neighborhood, I dont bash into cars because they piss me off. These things are against the law. Does smoking pot make your skull thicker?

I can or could smoke pot at any time if I wanted to. I could also drink and drive, I could puke on a police officer's shoe. But you know what? I would go to jail. And I dont want to!

So if you are honestly asking me if the reason I dont do drugs is because it is illegal, then your answer is yet.

Jim Kata

YourNeverThere basically said what I was going to say about the illegal and legal thing, but the way he/she put it, sounds more intelligent than what I was going to say.

I hope you were being sarcastic.

edit: The funny thing about pot being illegal is that first it was legal...then illegal...then the Govenment actually encouraged farmers to grow it during the World Wars, and now its illegal again.

Cynthetiq

don't forget the founding fathers were required to grow it...

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Mr. Spacemonkey

I'm anti alcohol and anti pot. Both of them seem like stupid stuff to get involved with to me.

Although pot even more so just because it's illegal.

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legolas

I think it has to do tha alcohol is just more accepted in general by society.

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dr_clocker

Im anti pot, por alcohol. Mainly because alcohol has a deep tradition in most cultures. Alcohol, if used safely is not as harmful to the user or others as pot. THC alters the mind, alcohol can cloud ones judgement. So id say alcohol is the lesser of 2 evils, but if used responsibly mostly safe.

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bundy

i´m all for personal experience, and choice.

this doesn´t mean i do pot and other drugs very often. but it does mean that i think that people should be able to indulge if they please.

so long as no one else is getting hurt... its my life.

so i guess i´m pro pot and pro booze.

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sixate

I'm anti drugs, alcohol, and all tobacco products.

Double D

If you are going to drink or get high--don't drive--don't be pregnant--don't be at work or school, i.e. be in a place where you can cause no harm to others.

I'm pro-legalization of hemp, as it is illegal for purely political reasons. The gov't does not give a care about our health--think *tobacco lobby.*

I would LMAO if the gov't--our *god,* made alcohol illegal again.

MacGnG

alcohol has killed more ppl than all other drugs combined. no one has died from smoking pot. sure a lot of ppl have died from "drugs" but alcohol has killed more ppl simply cause ppl accept that its ok.

Esoteric

I agree that alcohol is worse than marijuana. Majority of what was already said was what I was going to bring up.

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bulakbol master

Pot has a deep tradition in some cultures too. It's part of the Rastafarian religion, in fact [yes, those multicolored knit beanies mean something else other than 'hey look at me i probably smoke pot and/or am a damn hippie'].

How does THC alter the mind any more than alcohol? Sure, it fucks you up if overdone, but in my experience you just sit around and do nothing. How is that more harmful than a guy who's had a bit too much to drink and wants to drive home/around the town, who may a) hurt himself in the process, or b) hurt someone else.

The problem with alcohol is that it interferes with your motor functions and lowers your inhibitions. Basically you've turned into a big clumsy idiot who wants to do all sorts of shit, when you've had too much. But when high, you can still walk around and do whatever -- you just may have a hard time concentrating on it

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for drinking and destroying your liver and whatnot -- but please, do it responsibly. Just because it's legal doesn't make it better.

And as for anyone who would bring up the "pot causes lung cancer!" argument, any organic material, when smoked, gives off tar and carcinogens -- which cause cancer.

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boden11

as a moderate alcohol user and RARE marijuana user (like 5 times in my entire lifetime) i will say this:

i can think clearly the next day after drinking and not really have any slower cognitive skills (tho my motor skills might be dulled down that day...hehe

after smoking marijuana i always feel like ive dropped 30 iq points the next day. i can't analyze problems/situations well, i grasp for words that i ordinarily wouldn't, etc.

while both give decent buzzes, i'd still pick alcohol over pot.

mydragonfido

Pot I personally have no problem with other than illegal!! Now on the flip side booze is ok in moderation!! NEVER DRIVE WITH EITHER!!!

spectre

That sums it up for me too.

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YourNeverThere

Alright first off tj2001cobra, you always seem like a good person, we've both been here for a while and I've always thought your posts were smart and interesting. But seriously, calm down. I don't want any trouble with anyone, this is an internet forum, your not going to change anyones mind on this issue so both of us are just arguing our opinions.

The laws not outdated? I think it is. They made it long long ago, augmented it with the introduction of the schedule I II and III drugs, classifing the worst from the least potentially harmfull drugs. The law is discussed ad nauseum becuase, I think, it's wrong. I'm sorry that that sentance might be in contempt of the laws established but I like to think for myself instead of letting a government do it for me. I hope I don't really have to make a big list of reason why pot should be legalized, or decriminalized, I think we've all heard it.

yes, yes it is.

No, tj2001cobra, it hasn't made my skull thicker... but good try. I'm glad you don't kill people, congratulations. What I was saying, I thought I was clear about it but mabye not, is that you don't kill people etc. becuase YOU think it's probably a good idea, because your morals advise against it, not becuase the law is telling you to. If you could kill someone, anyone, would you? if you would then this whole debate is in vain becuase you would be a horrible person.

Alright fine, you don't want to thats great,
Well, if yet is your answer then I still have no idea what you are talking about.

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tj2001cobra

It was a typo. "YES" was the answer

I know that neither of us are probably going to change each other's mind. If you look at my other thread about hiring someone who tested positive, you will see I am pretty lenient and forgiving person. I just get tired of people trying to make me see their point about why pot is ok. Guess that is something I just need to deal with QUIETLY.