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IC3 08-20-2003 10:31 AM

Heavy Marijuana use Doesn't Damage Brain
 
And I have always said that smoking Marijuana has little or no effect on your brain....But some people seem to think it makes you stupid.

I know there are or were some people on TFP that said Marijuana makes you stupid...I hope they read this.

Article is

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By Sid Kirchheimer
Reviewed By Michael Smith, MD
on Tuesday, July 01, 2003
WebMD Medical News



Quote:

July 1, 2003 -- Long-term and even daily marijuana use doesn't appear to cause permanent brain damage, adding to evidence that it can be a safe and effective treatment for a wide range of diseases, say researchers.


The researchers found only a "very small" impairment in memory and learning among long-term marijuana users. Otherwise, scores on thinking tests were similar to those who don't smoke marijuana, according to a new analysis of 15 previous studies.


In those studies, some 700 regular marijuana users were compared with 484 non-users on various aspects of brain function -- including reaction time, language and motor skills, reasoning ability, memory, and the ability to learn new information.


Surprising Finding


"We were somewhat surprised by our finding, especially since there's been a controversy for some years on whether long-term cannabis use causes brain damage," says lead researcher and psychiatrist Igor Grant, MD.


"I suppose we expected to see some differences in people who were heavy users, but in fact the differences were very minimal."


The marijuana users in those 15 studies -- which lasted between three months to more than 13 years -- had smoked marijuana several times a week or month or daily. Still, researchers say impairments were less than what is typically found from using alcohol or other drugs.


"All study participants were adults," says Grant, professor of psychiatry and director of the Center for Medicinal Cannabis Research Center at the University of California, San Diego School of Medicine.


"However, there might be a different set of circumstances to a 12-year-old whose nervous system is still developing."


10 States OK Marijuana Use


Grant's analysis, published in the July issue of the Journal of the International Neuropsychological Society, comes as many states consider laws allowing marijuana to be used to treat certain medical conditions. Earlier this year, Maryland became the 10th state to allow marijuana use to relieve pain and other symptoms of AIDS, multiple sclerosis, cancer, glaucoma, and other conditions -- joining Alaska, Arizona, California, Colorado, Hawaii, Maine, Nevada, Oregon, and Washington.


Medicinal marijuana is available by prescription in the Netherlands and a new marijuana drug is expected to be released in Great Britain later this year. In the U.S. and elsewhere, Marinol, a drug that is a synthetic form of marijuana and contains its active ingredient, THC, is available by prescription to treat loss of appetite associated with weight loss in AIDS patients.


Grant says he did the analysis to help determine long-term toxicity from long-term and frequent marijuana use. His center is currently conducting 11 studies to determine its safety and efficacy in treating several diseases.


"This finding enables us to see a marginal level of safety, if those studies prove that cannabis can be effective," Grant tells WebMD. "If we barely find this effect in long-term heavy users, then we are unlikely to see deleterious side effects in individuals who receive cannabis for a short time in a medical setting, which would be safer than what is practiced by street users."


Grant's findings come as no surprise to Tod Mikuriya, MD, former director of non-classified marijuana research for the National Institute of Mental Health Center for Narcotics and Drug Abuse Studies and author of The Marijuana Medical Handbook: A Guide to Therapeutic Use. He is currently president of the California Cannabis Medical Group, which has treated some 20,000 patients with medicinal marijuana and Marinol.


'Highly Effective Medicine'


"I just re-published a paper of the first survey for marijuana toxicity done in 1863 by the British government in India that was the most exhaustive medical study of its time in regards to possible difficulties and toxicity of cannabis. And it reached the same conclusion as Grant," Mikuriya tells WebMD.


"This is merely confirming what was known over 100 years ago, as well as what was learned by various government findings doing similar research -- marijuana is not toxic, but it is a highly effective medicine."


In fact, marijuana was available as a medicinal treatment in the U.S. until the 1930s.


Lester Grinspoon, MD, a retired Harvard Medical School psychiatrist who studied medicinal marijuana use since the 1960s and wrote two books on the topic, says that while Grant's finding provides more evidence on its safety, "it's nothing that those of us who have been studying this haven't known for a very long time.


"Marijuana is a remarkably safe and non-toxic drug that can effectively treat about 30 different conditions," he tells WebMD. "I predict it will become the aspirin of the 21st century, as more people recognize this."


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Darkblack 08-20-2003 10:44 AM

Hehe, well I disagree. I am all for legalization and I agree that it isn't more harmful than drinking or smoking but I do not agree that it has no effects on the brain. I know some pot heads and I knew them before they smoked a couple blunts a day. There is a huge difference in how they function now.

IC3 08-20-2003 10:46 AM

I am not going to disagree with you, but I have friends that smoke daily...And the only difference that I see in them is that they are more laid back than before they started smoking.

I only smoke on the weekends and maybe once or twice during the week...Depending what shift I am working.

JBX 08-20-2003 10:48 AM

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IC3 08-20-2003 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by JBX
i tHInk i t hAS umm kNow afect aTol.
I guess I should have mentioned that if you are going to act like a kid...Don't bother replying.

Darkblack 08-20-2003 11:07 AM

I also think that people who smoke will not know the difference in other people who smoke. :)

I am not saying people that smokers are retards. I am saying that it does effect your short term and long-term memory. That laid back attitude your talking about is called laziness. It is a result of long-term memory loss. But hey, I am no scientist or anything. I just know what I see. Maybe all the potheads I know are an exception.

IC3 08-20-2003 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Darkblack
I also think that people who smoke will not know the difference in other people who smoke. :)

I am not saying people that smokers are retards. I am saying that it does effect your short term and long-term memory. That laid back attitude your talking about is called laziness. It is a result of long-term memory loss. But hey, I am no scientist or anything. I just know what I see. Maybe all the potheads I know are an exception.

My friends who smoke everyday are pretty active.

Alot of them are into sports like, Hockey, Soccer, Snowboarding, Rollerblading.

I like Hockey & Snowboarding...But Being laid back does not mean you are a lazy person

sixate 08-20-2003 11:23 AM

All I know is I work with and know many other weed smokers and there is absolutely a difference. I can tell about 98% of the time when someone smokes weed. It's that obvious to me. To say that a drug that effects the brain doesn't do damage is just ridiculous. It's like saying that smoking cigs won't damage your lungs.

Darkblack 08-20-2003 11:28 AM

What the....this is a first. Someone take a screenshot.

I AGREE WITH SIXATE!!!!!

IC3 08-20-2003 11:34 AM

All I know is that There use to be a Marijuana thread on TFP 3.0 and the majority who was against Marijuana was saying that "The Scientists know more than a pot head...I trust a scientist before i do a pot head"

Well...These are Scientists who are doing these tests...So where has the trust gone that you had in Scientists?

Kaos 08-20-2003 11:35 AM

I'm sorry, but I've seen many smart people slowly turn into braindead morons from pot smoking. And you know what? The lungs aren't meant to take in ANY smoke, whether it is cigarettes or pot, or pollution, etc. All of these cause lack of oxygen to the brain and cause damage.

IC3 08-20-2003 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kaos
I'm sorry, but I've seen many smart people slowly turn into braindead morons from pot smoking. And you know what? The lungs aren't meant to take in ANY smoke, whether it is cigarettes or pot, or pollution, etc. All of these cause lack of oxygen to the brain and cause damage.
Well pollution is something that were always breathing in...If you live in a city, So That means everybody who lives in the City is going to become Brain dead morons just from going outside and breathing?

Are you sure that these people you seen turn into brain dead morons were just using Marijuana and nothing else?

Hell...My Uncle who is in his late 40's has been smoking Marijuana since he was a Teenager and he has a beautifull house. Has a very good job and making alot of money...And a loving Family.

I can't say that anybody I know who smokes weed is in the dumps or has nothing to do with his/her life....They all seem to have a goal and working on achieving it.

Darkblack 08-20-2003 11:56 AM

Well, you also are a user, correct?


This is also only one study done. There are scientists on both sides of this arguement. Like I said, smoking pot doesn't make you a retard but it will have a long term effect with daily use.

floonine 08-20-2003 12:32 PM

I personally regret ever doing any drugs ever. If it doesn't actually do long term damage to anything, it still makes you feel like an idiot... or maybe I just smoked some really good weed?

kalisto_911 08-20-2003 12:37 PM

Did anyone else notice that the Doc's name was Igor???

Poke Smot !

Halx 08-20-2003 12:54 PM

Let me tell you all about studies. Reports like this are probably bullshit no matter what they say, good or bad. It all depends on who funded the study. Have you ever read a study funded by the tobacco industry that states that nicotine is addictive? No. However, you have seen such reports from anti-smoking groups.

Choose to believe what you want, but I can see from my personal experience (I dont need any heavily biased study to tell me) that smoking pot will make you quite dull.

Moral of the story: It's ALL propaganda.

World's King 08-20-2003 12:54 PM

And sniffing glue helps your memory.

08-20-2003 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Darkblack
I also think that people who smoke will not know the difference in other people who smoke. :)

I am not saying people that smokers are retards. I am saying that it does effect your short term and long-term memory. That laid back attitude your talking about is called laziness. It is a result of long-term memory loss. But hey, I am no scientist or anything. I just know what I see. Maybe all the potheads I know are an exception.

Do you have any proof for your claims on long/short term memory? And I work 50 hours a week, read about 300 pages in whatever book I have that week, play basketball almost every day, and walk almost everywhere I go(no license). So I wouldn't consider myself lazy. And considering I probably smoke about as much as anyone else on the boards, I would consider you wrong.

Mr. Spacemonkey 08-20-2003 01:39 PM

People will believe what they want to believe. You can convince yourself all you want that smoking marijuana does no damage and you can ignore all the facts, but it doesn't take a genius to figure out that smoking marijuana DOES fuck up your brain.

Nisses 08-20-2003 01:41 PM

World's King: it really does... It helps to stick to my brain better!


for every rapport made public that says Marijuana doesn't affect anything, there are at least 2 or 3 that say the absolute opposite...

I guess this is a case of people believing what they want to believe.

edit: damn, Mr. Spacemonkey beat me to it. Guess I should learn to type faster :)

docbungle 08-20-2003 02:48 PM

Quote:

All I know is I work with and know many other weed smokers and there is absolutely a difference. I can tell about 98% of the time when someone smokes weed. It's that obvious to me. To say that a drug that effects the brain doesn't do damage is just ridiculous. It's like saying that smoking cigs won't damage your lungs.
I agree. I have several guys/girls who work for me and some of them are potheads and some of them aren't. It's not very difficult to tell them apart. In fact, it's blatantly obvious. They are usually unaware of how obvious it is, 'cause they're always stoned.

YzermanS19 08-20-2003 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Halx
Moral of the story: It's ALL propaganda.
I completely agree with Hal. There were books upon books published by Philip Morris about studies which found that Nicotine is not addictive and tar is healthy for the lungs. Yeah right.

In all honesty, the actual effects and long-term damages of EVERYTHING are pretty shady...talk to a different group of scientists, get a different opinion. Hell, eggs are a perfect example. Good for you, bad for you, good, bad, back and forth.

Chances are that its probably a mixture of both sides. Yeah it causes long-term damage, but not to the extent of what alot of people think.

IC3 08-20-2003 03:37 PM

I knew before posting this article that it does effect your brain...But not like everybody says it does.

I like to smoke weed because...

I love the feeling It gives me.....Way better than drinking.

Playing video games and listening to music is priceless when your high on weed.

Oh ya...Eating too, Everything is good when your high. Except McDonalds.

It seems like everybody I meet either smokes or use to smoke but now just...I guess you could call them a social smoker.

YourNeverThere 08-20-2003 05:22 PM

Basicly, what Hal said is that it's all propaganda, the government has paid for a number of "reserach" projects that say it's bad, and when others (non-commerical people) scrape together enough cash they get a project that says it's fine, even good. It doesnt matter, Alcohol is way worse, smoking is way worse, and yet it's illegal. It's not legal, making it sometimes a gateway drug, becuase you have to buy it from shady people etc.etc.etc ad nasium. Basicly it's a personal choice, do it if you want to, I llike it personally, if you dont want any great more for me.

Fly 08-20-2003 08:22 PM

it's all about responsibilities folks

if you get your priorities in check,then wtf is the problem?

and laid back is nothing like lazy.......

lazy is the pricks whose weight i have to pull every day at work....(no gumption at all)

and laid back is what i do with a joint after work,after i finished pullin' those pricks weight all day.

MSD 08-20-2003 08:24 PM

I don't smoke, I don't think it is as bad as people say it is, but I admit that it has a lot of bad effects. I won't tell anyone what to do as long as they give me that same respect and stay out of the driver's seat while high or impaired.

StormBerlin 08-20-2003 08:39 PM

It's been my experience that people who use marijuana, also use other drugs. I think that is where the stupidity comes from that is associated with smoking weed, from the harder drugs.

YourNeverThere 08-20-2003 09:24 PM

Storm Berlin, thats the point i was making sort of, People who use pot dont use other drugs BECUASE of the pot, they do becuase they have the connections, the gateway. If it was legal then that gateway wouldn't exsit

Renegade 08-20-2003 09:33 PM

Drugs SUCK!
 
I don't care if you do it in your own home, but when you assholes smoke that shit at concerts it royally pisses me off! Why should I have to breathe that shit in just cause I'm there. Same for smokes! I should not get sick cause I want to enjoy a concert.

Plan9Senior 08-20-2003 11:12 PM

No offense, but I always find it comical when people try to glorify their bad habits :(

Phaenx 08-20-2003 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MrSelfDestruct
I don't smoke, I don't think it is as bad as people say it is, but I admit that it has a lot of bad effects. I won't tell anyone what to do as long as they give me that same respect and stay out of the driver's seat while high or impaired.
You say that until you have to work with (or in my case) for a couple useless dolts who make you cover their asses. It's cool until it affects me, destroy yourself all you want, but do it in a government internment camp for druggies out in the pacific or something.

cradeg 08-21-2003 01:31 AM

my opinion
 
a friend of mine smoked alot .. i mean on a day about 5 to 10 joints. in these years he changed alot ... i am not sure if it damaged his brain but he was a diffrent person , he was alot more slow on all things, also thinking ... so maybe you call this getting dumb from it.

he stopped a few months ago because he needs his brain to learn , he feels better, works better and he is happier now ... he learned his lesson

all things you do too much are bad ... like

everything is poisoness it depends only on the quantum

rooster 08-21-2003 05:00 AM

i agree with halx is all propaganda money talks .legalize it cant be any worse than whiskey.

Midnight_Son 08-21-2003 09:52 AM

I would like to point out two things:

1. I smoked a butt load of weed in high school
2. My I.Q. is 126

Darkblack 08-21-2003 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by cnor
I would like to point out two things:

1. I smoked a butt load of weed in high school
2. My I.Q. is 126

Well shit! There is the proof we were looking for. Let's just make it legal. Since it must make you smarter let's require students to smoke pot everyday.

/sarcasm off


I don't smoke pot and my I.Q. is 126.

Did that help my point at all?


It is a mind-altering drug. I am all for making it legal because it is no worse than drinking. Some scientists say that drinking is not bad for you. It actually is beneficial. So if I pound a 12 pack a day am I not going to die from it?

Smoking a joint every now and then is not going to hurt you. Drinking 1 glass of wine with dinner is not going to hurt you. With such a high I.Q. you should be able to figure out what I am saying here.

Midnight_Son 08-21-2003 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Darkblack
Well shit! There is the proof we were looking for. Let's just make it legal. Since it must make you smarter let's require students to smoke pot everyday.

/sarcasm off


I don't smoke pot and my I.Q. is 126.

Did that help my point at all?


It is a mind-altering drug. I am all for making it legal because it is no worse than drinking. Some scientists say that drinking is not bad for you. It actually is beneficial. So if I pound a 12 pack a day am I not going to die from it?

Smoking a joint every now and then is not going to hurt you. Drinking 1 glass of wine with dinner is not going to hurt you. With such a high I.Q. you should be able to figure out what I am saying here.


Ok, point taken. However, I'm also smart enough to not believe everything I read…..or for that mater everything mommy and daddy told me.

ANYTHING in excess will kill you or turn your brain to goo. That’s not the issue,

Anyway, we’ve all got our opinions, and that’s cool. I was just pointing out mine…..I do not want it to turn into a pissing match.

StormBerlin 08-21-2003 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by YourNeverThere
Storm Berlin, thats the point i was making sort of, People who use pot dont use other drugs BECUASE of the pot, they do becuase they have the connections, the gateway. If it was legal then that gateway wouldn't exsit
Just because Marijuana becomes legal doesn't mean a gateway to other drugs wont exist. Only next time, the gateway will be Cocaine until that becomes legalized, then it will be Heroin, then that will become legalized...

5t3v3 08-21-2003 10:26 AM

I believe people's body react to marijuana differently. Some don't get affected as much while others do. I for one think I got brain damage from the usage. No, I'm not retarded now but I can't remember as much anymore. I dunno why but I blame marijuana. Anyways, no more marijuana for me now. I'll just stick with booze.

XenuHubbard 08-21-2003 11:04 AM

"All study participants were adults," says Grant, professor of psychiatry and director of the Center for Medicinal Cannabis Research Center at the University of California, San Diego School of Medicine.

Well, that's one biased source if I ever saw one.
Besides, the ages of the test subjects weren't mentioned either.
A bunch of 19-year-old college students?
Or a bunch of 60-year-old hippies?

It makes a big difference.

I used to smoke, I don't anymore. Too much hydro out there, and people I know who grow it wouldn't touch that with a ten foot pole. 2 friends have had psychosises, and I've seen others become heavily addicted. (Mental addiction - I know it isn't physical.)

I agree that more research is needed - but with ALL details made public. This is similar to the hippie-argument that it makes you smarter because your brain increases in weight when you smoke.

Darkblack 08-21-2003 11:06 AM

Hehe I don't want this to be a pissing contest either. I think they need to do some more research though.

blackdas 08-21-2003 03:43 PM

Alot of my friends will defend drugs to the death using biased sources (erowid, random internet sites), but everyone who has known them for a while has noticed the downward spiral they are in. After smokign for every day for the past 2-3 years they are much slower, dumber, and can only remember things that interest them.

irieemon 08-21-2003 08:08 PM

of course you have to actually stop smoking for your brain to get back to normal, but it will - give it a few days

Phaenx 08-21-2003 08:31 PM

Re: my opinion
 
Quote:

Originally posted by cradeg
all things you do too much are bad ... like

everything is poisoness it depends only on the quantum

By that logic, breathing is bad for you.

Hodapp 08-21-2003 09:50 PM

I smoked alot of pot between the ages 15-18 and I can tell you that it DOES affect your brain. I have terrible memory and I often feel spaced out.

collide 08-21-2003 10:15 PM

Permanently slurs your speech too, doesn't it? I wouldn't want to develop a speech impediment. I mean, I already sound funny enough. :)

Apokx 08-22-2003 01:18 AM

Having something on fire hanging from your mouth cant be good.

YourNeverThere 08-22-2003 01:24 AM

Re: Re: my opinion
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Phaenx
By that logic, breathing is bad for you.
Umm, it is.... :(

BBtB 08-22-2003 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Phaenx
By that logic, breathing is bad for you.
Ever try breathing in and out real fast? I mean water can kill you. If you drink to much.

On topic though, two important points were brought up here. Hal brought up the fact that studies, wether they are about drugs or whatever, are always biased. Whoever paid for the study will get the result they wanted or it wont be published. Also Nisses mentioned that for every report stating that marijuana smoke is good there are atleast 2 if not 3 that says its bad. Which is probably true. But we also need to ask ourselves this, are there more people funding studies that want it to come out bad or more that want it to come out good? I would say that there is probably a higher then 3 to 1 ratio of people with money wanting to fund studies showing marijuana is bad vs good (or not good just... not bad so much) Anyway what it all boils down to is this, marijuana is bad for you. So are alot of legal things. Just because it is bad doesn't mean it should be illegal for adults to use it in their spare time. Alcohol is bad. Tobacco is bad. Fattening foods are bad. Cholesterol is bad. Caffeine is bad. All those things are just plain bad and serve no real purpose, yet all of them are legal. Now there are of course a number of legal things that are good, to a point, then when used in excess become bad. Vitamins for example. Or the aforementioned water. Sunlight. Most anything a doctor might give you. Salt. I could go on but the point is simply this, if you immerse yourself in something, no matter what it is, its going to turn out bad for you. In other words if you do nothing but smoke pot every day for a year then yea, duh, it will probably mess with your mind. Probably less so then if you were drunk a year or hopped up on legal pills for a year though.

sixate 08-22-2003 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by BBtB
Ever try breathing in and out real fast? I mean water can kill you. If you drink to much.
As a matter of fact I breathe really fast when I run, when I play hoops, and when I ride my bike. Doesn't hurt a bit. The only way it'll hurt is if some lazy ass who never gets exercise tries to keep up with me. After a workout I've chugged a gallon of water in less than 30 seconds. That never hurt me either. :)

Comparing things like that to drug abuse is just ridiculous.

BBtB 08-22-2003 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sixate
As a matter of fact I breathe really fast when I run, when I play hoops, and when I ride my bike. Doesn't hurt a bit. The only way it'll hurt is if some lazy ass who never gets exercise tries to keep up with me. After a workout I've chugged a gallon of water in less than 30 seconds. That never hurt me either. :)

Comparing things like that to drug abuse is just ridiculous.

Well that was just an example. Beyond that drinking to much water can kill you. That is a scientific fact. Accept it.

YourNeverThere 08-23-2003 01:59 PM

And also Sixate, it's just a metaphor, people always talk about dying from old age which is really the point at which the oxygen has finally burned so much of your lungs they cannot function. Compaireing that to drugs use doesn't mean that I think breathing is as bad as drugs it just means that A) everything is a drug, B) Everything kills you, and that regardless you will die someday and C0 Everything in excess is bad.
Drug use is a choice, you chose not to, just as you choose atheistism(sp?) Everyone has there own morals and makes thier own choses. Pointing out the fact that this is an internet forum and things we say here really don't make a difference at all sort of takes away from the suspended disbelief that we need to post here, but every once and a while we should mention it, like right now, this topic really doesnt matter becuase regardless people are still going to smoke and people are still going to not smoke.

fezman 08-23-2003 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by XenuHubbard
"All study participants were adults," says Grant, professor of psychiatry and director of the Center for Medicinal Cannabis Research Center at the University of California, San Diego School of Medicine.

Well, that's one biased source if I ever saw one.

Heh... like I'm going to believe ANY study on pot that was conducted in San Diego by college students... let alone ones who work in the "medicinal cannabis research center".

I'm a pretty anti-pot kinda guy, but I generally try to avoid such arguments with a 10 foot pole, it's just such a waste of time. You can have the best statistics and facts in the world, but to someone who smokes it regularly, they still wouldn't believe you.

GakFace 08-24-2003 02:12 PM

In soc class.... Smoking is can be a lot worse than pot in the long run... So why is smoking legal and pot not? Because Smoking doesn't impair the fuck outta you when you do it. The last guy I spoke with who was high.. I coulda gotton his credit card number if I tried.... and all the passwords needed.

as for the breathing thing? Phaenx just pointed out that by THAT kind of logic its bad. But then again.. have you ever breathed in SO MUCH AIR that your lungs exploded? No, but if you did, that'd be bad for you... ;) Have you ever drank so much liquid that you threw up? I almost have, and that "would fall in the bad things category." To follow that logic, Jumping would be bad for you.. Sure you jump alot, but have you ever jumped.. where the floor was 100 feet lower than where you left off?

See... all the debates about that is completely off-topic.

As for being ON-topic. There was a guy in my math class that did a lot of shit. Oh sure, he was still smart. He'd sit in the back of class and the prof would ask him if he was even paying attention, and there infront of him, he had everything done (and correctly I might add). Was this due to him doing pot? Fuck no. so Did pot impair him in math... probly not. How was he outside of this? VERY SPACED OUT. There are other accounts I have had with people who WERE NOT idiots before hand, but afterwords........ they weren't quite as smart as they used to be.

RoadRage 08-24-2003 02:23 PM

This is a direct contradiction of my experiences. I've seen hundreds of stupid stoners, and the few smart ones gradually become stupid over the years. Stopping for a few days doesn't cure them, years seems to be what it takes, and some will never recover from the self-inflicted damage.

Johnny Rotten 08-24-2003 02:30 PM

I like marijuana and think the laws against it should be relaxed. That said, marijuana is, in my experience, a motivation-killer. You just stop caring about stuff. And it will make you quite forgetful and spaced out, at least while you're using it.

Ustwo 08-24-2003 02:39 PM

Just remember, scientists can be wrong too, in fact there is a lot of junk science out there.

We don't even know how memory WORKS, its very hard to judge brain damage if it isn't some gross defect.

GakFace 08-24-2003 03:07 PM

Yes, most science is theory... as in later dates we sometimes are proved wrong, but as time stands now, what we get through science is the 99% chance answer. (leaving that 1% to appear in 100 years from now ;))

MacGnG 08-25-2003 02:28 PM

good

Booboo 08-25-2003 07:13 PM

I knew a lot of kids who smoked a shitload of pot in highschool and there were definately effects from it.

I think the fact that they are long-term or not is really pointless, because te effects are there while your smoking, though I think this also depends on the person and how much you smoke pot.

And most of the kids I knew were very smart, and most of them were all honors students who did decent. But they for the most part all knew that it affected them.

You should see the difference in Gym=P the stoners were all pretty obvious. Most of them looked like they were in really good shape, but they would get winded so much faster than everyone else.. =)

Personally I never have and never plan to smoke.. I just dont see the point, I can have plenty of fun without doing it. (Though fucking with people who are wasted can be fun.. :D )


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