Heavy Marijuana use Doesn't Damage Brain
And I have always said that smoking Marijuana has little or no effect on your brain....But some people seem to think it makes you stupid.
I know there are or were some people on TFP that said Marijuana makes you stupid...I hope they read this. Article is ~~>Here<~~ By Sid Kirchheimer Reviewed By Michael Smith, MD on Tuesday, July 01, 2003 WebMD Medical News Quote:
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Hehe, well I disagree. I am all for legalization and I agree that it isn't more harmful than drinking or smoking but I do not agree that it has no effects on the brain. I know some pot heads and I knew them before they smoked a couple blunts a day. There is a huge difference in how they function now.
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I am not going to disagree with you, but I have friends that smoke daily...And the only difference that I see in them is that they are more laid back than before they started smoking.
I only smoke on the weekends and maybe once or twice during the week...Depending what shift I am working. |
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I also think that people who smoke will not know the difference in other people who smoke. :)
I am not saying people that smokers are retards. I am saying that it does effect your short term and long-term memory. That laid back attitude your talking about is called laziness. It is a result of long-term memory loss. But hey, I am no scientist or anything. I just know what I see. Maybe all the potheads I know are an exception. |
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Alot of them are into sports like, Hockey, Soccer, Snowboarding, Rollerblading. I like Hockey & Snowboarding...But Being laid back does not mean you are a lazy person |
All I know is I work with and know many other weed smokers and there is absolutely a difference. I can tell about 98% of the time when someone smokes weed. It's that obvious to me. To say that a drug that effects the brain doesn't do damage is just ridiculous. It's like saying that smoking cigs won't damage your lungs.
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What the....this is a first. Someone take a screenshot.
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All I know is that There use to be a Marijuana thread on TFP 3.0 and the majority who was against Marijuana was saying that "The Scientists know more than a pot head...I trust a scientist before i do a pot head"
Well...These are Scientists who are doing these tests...So where has the trust gone that you had in Scientists? |
I'm sorry, but I've seen many smart people slowly turn into braindead morons from pot smoking. And you know what? The lungs aren't meant to take in ANY smoke, whether it is cigarettes or pot, or pollution, etc. All of these cause lack of oxygen to the brain and cause damage.
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Are you sure that these people you seen turn into brain dead morons were just using Marijuana and nothing else? Hell...My Uncle who is in his late 40's has been smoking Marijuana since he was a Teenager and he has a beautifull house. Has a very good job and making alot of money...And a loving Family. I can't say that anybody I know who smokes weed is in the dumps or has nothing to do with his/her life....They all seem to have a goal and working on achieving it. |
Well, you also are a user, correct?
This is also only one study done. There are scientists on both sides of this arguement. Like I said, smoking pot doesn't make you a retard but it will have a long term effect with daily use. |
I personally regret ever doing any drugs ever. If it doesn't actually do long term damage to anything, it still makes you feel like an idiot... or maybe I just smoked some really good weed?
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Did anyone else notice that the Doc's name was Igor???
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Let me tell you all about studies. Reports like this are probably bullshit no matter what they say, good or bad. It all depends on who funded the study. Have you ever read a study funded by the tobacco industry that states that nicotine is addictive? No. However, you have seen such reports from anti-smoking groups.
Choose to believe what you want, but I can see from my personal experience (I dont need any heavily biased study to tell me) that smoking pot will make you quite dull. Moral of the story: It's ALL propaganda. |
And sniffing glue helps your memory.
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People will believe what they want to believe. You can convince yourself all you want that smoking marijuana does no damage and you can ignore all the facts, but it doesn't take a genius to figure out that smoking marijuana DOES fuck up your brain.
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World's King: it really does... It helps to stick to my brain better!
for every rapport made public that says Marijuana doesn't affect anything, there are at least 2 or 3 that say the absolute opposite... I guess this is a case of people believing what they want to believe. edit: damn, Mr. Spacemonkey beat me to it. Guess I should learn to type faster :) |
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In all honesty, the actual effects and long-term damages of EVERYTHING are pretty shady...talk to a different group of scientists, get a different opinion. Hell, eggs are a perfect example. Good for you, bad for you, good, bad, back and forth. Chances are that its probably a mixture of both sides. Yeah it causes long-term damage, but not to the extent of what alot of people think. |
I knew before posting this article that it does effect your brain...But not like everybody says it does.
I like to smoke weed because... I love the feeling It gives me.....Way better than drinking. Playing video games and listening to music is priceless when your high on weed. Oh ya...Eating too, Everything is good when your high. Except McDonalds. It seems like everybody I meet either smokes or use to smoke but now just...I guess you could call them a social smoker. |
Basicly, what Hal said is that it's all propaganda, the government has paid for a number of "reserach" projects that say it's bad, and when others (non-commerical people) scrape together enough cash they get a project that says it's fine, even good. It doesnt matter, Alcohol is way worse, smoking is way worse, and yet it's illegal. It's not legal, making it sometimes a gateway drug, becuase you have to buy it from shady people etc.etc.etc ad nasium. Basicly it's a personal choice, do it if you want to, I llike it personally, if you dont want any great more for me.
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it's all about responsibilities folks
if you get your priorities in check,then wtf is the problem? and laid back is nothing like lazy....... lazy is the pricks whose weight i have to pull every day at work....(no gumption at all) and laid back is what i do with a joint after work,after i finished pullin' those pricks weight all day. |
I don't smoke, I don't think it is as bad as people say it is, but I admit that it has a lot of bad effects. I won't tell anyone what to do as long as they give me that same respect and stay out of the driver's seat while high or impaired.
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It's been my experience that people who use marijuana, also use other drugs. I think that is where the stupidity comes from that is associated with smoking weed, from the harder drugs.
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Storm Berlin, thats the point i was making sort of, People who use pot dont use other drugs BECUASE of the pot, they do becuase they have the connections, the gateway. If it was legal then that gateway wouldn't exsit
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Drugs SUCK!
I don't care if you do it in your own home, but when you assholes smoke that shit at concerts it royally pisses me off! Why should I have to breathe that shit in just cause I'm there. Same for smokes! I should not get sick cause I want to enjoy a concert.
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No offense, but I always find it comical when people try to glorify their bad habits :(
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my opinion
a friend of mine smoked alot .. i mean on a day about 5 to 10 joints. in these years he changed alot ... i am not sure if it damaged his brain but he was a diffrent person , he was alot more slow on all things, also thinking ... so maybe you call this getting dumb from it.
he stopped a few months ago because he needs his brain to learn , he feels better, works better and he is happier now ... he learned his lesson all things you do too much are bad ... like everything is poisoness it depends only on the quantum |
i agree with halx is all propaganda money talks .legalize it cant be any worse than whiskey.
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I would like to point out two things:
1. I smoked a butt load of weed in high school 2. My I.Q. is 126 |
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/sarcasm off I don't smoke pot and my I.Q. is 126. Did that help my point at all? It is a mind-altering drug. I am all for making it legal because it is no worse than drinking. Some scientists say that drinking is not bad for you. It actually is beneficial. So if I pound a 12 pack a day am I not going to die from it? Smoking a joint every now and then is not going to hurt you. Drinking 1 glass of wine with dinner is not going to hurt you. With such a high I.Q. you should be able to figure out what I am saying here. |
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Ok, point taken. However, I'm also smart enough to not believe everything I read…..or for that mater everything mommy and daddy told me. ANYTHING in excess will kill you or turn your brain to goo. That’s not the issue, Anyway, we’ve all got our opinions, and that’s cool. I was just pointing out mine…..I do not want it to turn into a pissing match. |
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I believe people's body react to marijuana differently. Some don't get affected as much while others do. I for one think I got brain damage from the usage. No, I'm not retarded now but I can't remember as much anymore. I dunno why but I blame marijuana. Anyways, no more marijuana for me now. I'll just stick with booze.
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"All study participants were adults," says Grant, professor of psychiatry and director of the Center for Medicinal Cannabis Research Center at the University of California, San Diego School of Medicine.
Well, that's one biased source if I ever saw one. Besides, the ages of the test subjects weren't mentioned either. A bunch of 19-year-old college students? Or a bunch of 60-year-old hippies? It makes a big difference. I used to smoke, I don't anymore. Too much hydro out there, and people I know who grow it wouldn't touch that with a ten foot pole. 2 friends have had psychosises, and I've seen others become heavily addicted. (Mental addiction - I know it isn't physical.) I agree that more research is needed - but with ALL details made public. This is similar to the hippie-argument that it makes you smarter because your brain increases in weight when you smoke. |
Hehe I don't want this to be a pissing contest either. I think they need to do some more research though.
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Alot of my friends will defend drugs to the death using biased sources (erowid, random internet sites), but everyone who has known them for a while has noticed the downward spiral they are in. After smokign for every day for the past 2-3 years they are much slower, dumber, and can only remember things that interest them.
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of course you have to actually stop smoking for your brain to get back to normal, but it will - give it a few days
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I smoked alot of pot between the ages 15-18 and I can tell you that it DOES affect your brain. I have terrible memory and I often feel spaced out.
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Permanently slurs your speech too, doesn't it? I wouldn't want to develop a speech impediment. I mean, I already sound funny enough. :)
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Having something on fire hanging from your mouth cant be good.
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On topic though, two important points were brought up here. Hal brought up the fact that studies, wether they are about drugs or whatever, are always biased. Whoever paid for the study will get the result they wanted or it wont be published. Also Nisses mentioned that for every report stating that marijuana smoke is good there are atleast 2 if not 3 that says its bad. Which is probably true. But we also need to ask ourselves this, are there more people funding studies that want it to come out bad or more that want it to come out good? I would say that there is probably a higher then 3 to 1 ratio of people with money wanting to fund studies showing marijuana is bad vs good (or not good just... not bad so much) Anyway what it all boils down to is this, marijuana is bad for you. So are alot of legal things. Just because it is bad doesn't mean it should be illegal for adults to use it in their spare time. Alcohol is bad. Tobacco is bad. Fattening foods are bad. Cholesterol is bad. Caffeine is bad. All those things are just plain bad and serve no real purpose, yet all of them are legal. Now there are of course a number of legal things that are good, to a point, then when used in excess become bad. Vitamins for example. Or the aforementioned water. Sunlight. Most anything a doctor might give you. Salt. I could go on but the point is simply this, if you immerse yourself in something, no matter what it is, its going to turn out bad for you. In other words if you do nothing but smoke pot every day for a year then yea, duh, it will probably mess with your mind. Probably less so then if you were drunk a year or hopped up on legal pills for a year though. |
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Comparing things like that to drug abuse is just ridiculous. |
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And also Sixate, it's just a metaphor, people always talk about dying from old age which is really the point at which the oxygen has finally burned so much of your lungs they cannot function. Compaireing that to drugs use doesn't mean that I think breathing is as bad as drugs it just means that A) everything is a drug, B) Everything kills you, and that regardless you will die someday and C0 Everything in excess is bad.
Drug use is a choice, you chose not to, just as you choose atheistism(sp?) Everyone has there own morals and makes thier own choses. Pointing out the fact that this is an internet forum and things we say here really don't make a difference at all sort of takes away from the suspended disbelief that we need to post here, but every once and a while we should mention it, like right now, this topic really doesnt matter becuase regardless people are still going to smoke and people are still going to not smoke. |
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I'm a pretty anti-pot kinda guy, but I generally try to avoid such arguments with a 10 foot pole, it's just such a waste of time. You can have the best statistics and facts in the world, but to someone who smokes it regularly, they still wouldn't believe you. |
In soc class.... Smoking is can be a lot worse than pot in the long run... So why is smoking legal and pot not? Because Smoking doesn't impair the fuck outta you when you do it. The last guy I spoke with who was high.. I coulda gotton his credit card number if I tried.... and all the passwords needed.
as for the breathing thing? Phaenx just pointed out that by THAT kind of logic its bad. But then again.. have you ever breathed in SO MUCH AIR that your lungs exploded? No, but if you did, that'd be bad for you... ;) Have you ever drank so much liquid that you threw up? I almost have, and that "would fall in the bad things category." To follow that logic, Jumping would be bad for you.. Sure you jump alot, but have you ever jumped.. where the floor was 100 feet lower than where you left off? See... all the debates about that is completely off-topic. As for being ON-topic. There was a guy in my math class that did a lot of shit. Oh sure, he was still smart. He'd sit in the back of class and the prof would ask him if he was even paying attention, and there infront of him, he had everything done (and correctly I might add). Was this due to him doing pot? Fuck no. so Did pot impair him in math... probly not. How was he outside of this? VERY SPACED OUT. There are other accounts I have had with people who WERE NOT idiots before hand, but afterwords........ they weren't quite as smart as they used to be. |
This is a direct contradiction of my experiences. I've seen hundreds of stupid stoners, and the few smart ones gradually become stupid over the years. Stopping for a few days doesn't cure them, years seems to be what it takes, and some will never recover from the self-inflicted damage.
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I like marijuana and think the laws against it should be relaxed. That said, marijuana is, in my experience, a motivation-killer. You just stop caring about stuff. And it will make you quite forgetful and spaced out, at least while you're using it.
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Just remember, scientists can be wrong too, in fact there is a lot of junk science out there.
We don't even know how memory WORKS, its very hard to judge brain damage if it isn't some gross defect. |
Yes, most science is theory... as in later dates we sometimes are proved wrong, but as time stands now, what we get through science is the 99% chance answer. (leaving that 1% to appear in 100 years from now ;))
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I knew a lot of kids who smoked a shitload of pot in highschool and there were definately effects from it.
I think the fact that they are long-term or not is really pointless, because te effects are there while your smoking, though I think this also depends on the person and how much you smoke pot. And most of the kids I knew were very smart, and most of them were all honors students who did decent. But they for the most part all knew that it affected them. You should see the difference in Gym=P the stoners were all pretty obvious. Most of them looked like they were in really good shape, but they would get winded so much faster than everyone else.. =) Personally I never have and never plan to smoke.. I just dont see the point, I can have plenty of fun without doing it. (Though fucking with people who are wasted can be fun.. :D ) |
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