If it comes down to rape to keep our species alive, I say let us all die.

Well if you believe the Bible, it was incest that got us all started to begin with.

If the human race is reborn out of the barbaric act of rape, we deserve to perish.

Wouldnt really mind.

You know rape doesnt have to involve violence.

I occured to me that while reading (and thats alot of posts to read), there a quite a few people who have a 'zero tolerance' or 'can NEVER be justified' attitude to rape/murder.
But seriously if you think about it, you'll find a way to justify it, whether you like it or not. Ok should i start the bid at 'saving 2 billion human lives from horrible deaths in nuclear armegeddon, just for raping/killing one person'. It doesnt matter if this person is bad/good/'a nun'/'the terrorist detonating the bombs'; you'd still have a go wouldnt ya?

Where did you read that? I spend a lot of my time reading about human evolutionary history and I have never encountered any academic sources which suggested that the human species became what it is through rape or that there was no consensual sex. (I really do want to know where you heard those statements).

Maybe it is commonly accepted among forum posters, but not among evolutionary biologists. Most evolutionary biologists would agree that humans have a survival instinct. Very few would agree that humans have an instinct to preserve the species.

I agree.

Rape for the survival of the species? Sickening. I'd give myself a backyard vasectomy to STOP the survival of the species.

kinda a weird and infeasable senerio--but got me thinking--thanks

But without rape you wouldn't exist right now.Many cultures raped to show power and to take leadership.Your great grandmother times 23 might of been raped.Rape is a human instinct forced back my society...but without society dead the one man would likely fall into urges.I am not saying im pro-rape it is just likely to happen in this situation.

Rape is immoral anyway you look at it.

However, by saying you will not prolong the existence of the entire human race, you are performing Genocide.

Which is worse?

Survival of the species trumps all.

Rape happened for so long because we had a basic, innate desire to procreate and no system of communication- and later no established civilized behavior upon which to base our actions.

Once people became civilized, it was no longer called rape, it was called "arranged marriage". How many of those women do you think actually WANTED sex from some guy they've just met that day? Their hand was forced.

Today, despite the arrangement of marriages still in practice, we consider rape solely as the act of a person forcing sex or sexual actions on another person.

It seems like everyone is ignoring a very easy question, though...

Would the man really have to rape these women to further the species? Was there no one woman willing to give herself to have a child, knowing that she may be the last mother of the human race? And if ALL 50 women said no, are you obligated to force them? I'd say, "you asked, you tried, that's good enough."

Rape is the most disgusting crime. I can't imagine anyone "justifying" it in their mind for any reason.

I'm glad to see that someone else knows that Hiroshima wasn't the only place devastated by Burning Malice.

I'd rather kill myself.

If I was forced to get pregnant I would do everthing in my power to produce a miscarriage and if I gave birth I would not take care of the baby.

I do not wish to have any babies and especially not being forced into having one.

But then again, I don't view human extinction as a great loss.

People usually respond with violence when their personal survival is threatened, but I don't think people would generally resort to rape if the species was threatened. And it wouldn't ever be right if you wouldn't want it yourself.

Genocide is extermination, this would be extinction. Genocide would be if someone went and killed off the remaining 50 women.

At the point that only 50 women are left, it would be important to preserve all the diversity possible, and all the women that were capable of having children should do so at the fastest possible rate. Its for the preservation of the human race!

"It shouldnt be called rape, it should be called suprise sex!"

Not a funny quote in most situations, and I appologize if it offends anyone.

I think you should just edit your post accordingly and pretend you never said that.

The human-race is the most devastating plague upon this world.

We are alive to have this discussion becuase people in the past did far, far worse things to ensure survival. The past is nasty, people. People are nasty, violent, vicious killer animals.

Anytime you forget that, read a history book.

I am horrified to have read all three pages of this thread only to discover that, while many people have gone to a great deal of trouble to ask "what if all 50 women said no," "what if your girlfriend had to get raped?" and so on, nobody bothered to ask "what if the women died from complications at childbirth?"

Not all women can give birth, even when we're talking about the last 50 hypothetically "fertile" women on Earth. "Fertile" just means that a woman ovulates and that her eggs (which are only released approximately every month) successfully make it to a place where they can successfully be fertilized by sperm.

You can argue that, in our hypothetical case, we would know for certain that all of these 50 women would be fertile (as I have just explained), free from any diseases (sexually transmitted or not) that would cause either or both the women and their babies to die within a short period of time, free from any predispositions to mental illness that might cause them to suffer so much from post-partum depression that they might kill themselves and/or their babies.... I could go on for a while. Let me instead direct you to this website:

http://www.noah-health.org/english/p...gproblems.html

Just to expound a little on one thing I wrote above, even a lack of known predispositions to certain diseases (and mental illnesses) could never guarantee that something wouldn't go wrong so that a woman (or both a woman and her baby) wouldn't die.

Now talk to me about how it's more important that you risk my life by traumatizing me psychologically (and possibly physically) - on top of the trauma of being one of the last 50 odd people on Earth - in order to impregnate me with a baby that I don't want to have, whose birth might cause me death and/or permanent physical damage (probably involving pain) and will certainly cause me at least several hours of pain and more psychological damage.

I know I made these risks sound really extreme, but isn't it also extreme to assume that all 50 women would refuse to at least try to have a baby? Isn't it extreme to say that it would be necessary to rape any or all of these women in the case that none of them would be willing to attempt to reproduce or - even worse - in the case that not enough of them volunteered to sustain what the smartest of the remaining 50 odd people says is a viable species? (And what are the odds that the "smartest" person is some kind of biologist or other scientist who would have any kind of helpful knowledge on this subject?)

I'll stop before this becomes a treatise. I hope I've made my point.

Someone already brought this up but what if by raping one person you could save the rest of humanity? The ultimate indecent proposal...one night with the psycho or he'll push the launch button. I'm forced to say that if you getting raped will save the lives of my children and everyone else's, unfortunately, I'd choose rape.

/begin

If these women refuse to procreate, they may as well be dead in terms of reproduction and function. I'm not trying to justify killing them or raping them. I'm just trying to point out that they have an odd sense of propriety if they're not willing to play mother to the human race.

How many other women would get that chance? Only 49... 49 in the history of the earth....

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I think it would be justified. If you look at society it's all about giving up rights for the good of the whole. So for the good of a society where only 50 women were alive I feel a woman would have to procreate or be punished by the laws of said society.

That doesn't even make sense. You don't CHOOSE to get raped. We were talking about men choosing to rape women in a completely different hypothetical circumstance than the one you just brought up. There's no question that the scenario you describe is wrong - the "psycho" is not only in a situation where rape is unquestionably pointless and evil, he is also threatening a lot of other people ("the rest of humanity") in order to commit this crime (which is even more pointless wrong-doing). Is that really what you meant to say?

If the bitch won't mate, then kick her out of the band and let her fend for herself.

the human race is a virus on this planet. the faster we die out, the better. oh yeah, and rape is bad.

there's basically two sides to this question "most" of you are taking.... a the left wing liberal (go for it.. pro-create) and the right wing conservative (no its rape we don't deserve to live in filth)..


(I might have the wings mixed up)

but yeah.... if it got down to the last 50 women and 50 men... there is no doubt in my mind that every single man will eventually rape and have sex with every single woman.... we're raised with morals becasue the human race is CIVILIZED... once we dwindle to 100 people 50 and 50.. civilization will be GONE... and so will EVERYTHING relating to it... Primitive desires will overcome and overpower what EVERY person wants and sees to do...

thus.. rape and pilliaging and molesting, (yeah I know) will ensue... its just the way the world turns...

Put 40 male chimps in a big room with 40 females (like the size of a city)... leave them there for years.... and record their actions.. 50 bucks says the chimps rape eachother animialistically.... not really rape because they are in-coherant of sentient thought and can't determine what "rape" is...

the human race is meerely intelligent animals.. we'll do the SAME DAMN THING.. its in our genetic CODE as males to have sex with as MANY females AS POSSIBLE, all day and all night.... and women.. to raise the children they bear and love them.. wether the child of a rapeist or not...

think about that... men rape the women.. the women love the children, and the children repeat...
ITS THE CYCLE OF LIFE!

ugly it may be.... but thats the way the cookie crumbles ultimately...