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I don't know what ya'll think of drugs, but I like 'em. :cool:

Anyone who cares probably knows of the myriad resources online (erowid), but I would like to hear what my fellow TFP'ers have to say about the topic.

What are your current (and past) favorites? How often do you use them? What do you avoid? Any memorable experiences?

Personally, I don't like uppers. Opiates are awesome, but anything stronger than Vicodin is hard to get.

I've dropped acid ONCE, and with the help of some Xanax I avoided what I felt was an inevitable anxiety attack. It was a great experience... If you have what it takes to analyze your experience and do more than trip out on the walls melting around you, then I think LSD can be a pretty useful drug.

What are your thoughts?

i have done weed (don't consider it a drug), dxm, opium, and shrooms. currently i just smoke marijuana every now and then. i will never touch "hard drugs" such as coke, heroin, or XTC because i don't like how addictive/harmful they are.

yes drugs can be fun and teach you alot, but im against using them on a regular basis. it is too easy to mess up your life.

Although I don't condone the use of recreational drugs, I myself have tried several throughout my wild teenage years. I see it as a learning experience, but there are risks involved and many people don't feel the experience is worth taking the risk. I especially feel this way about heroin, LSD, cocaine, and speed.

Nowadays I just smoke the peace pipe and drink good wine. :) That keeps me happy.

I smoked pot a few times in high school, but it always gave me the shakes. Last time I smoked it I was twitching all over, and man it was uncomfortable. My buddies said, "just relax, man!" but when I relaxed I fell asleep.. and dreamed of twitching!

I wonder if it's related to my Asthma, or low blood sugar... ?

I haven't even touched pot in a few years now.

But back in the day, a little coke before the big party, some X once in a great while.

But the favorite: opium. Always opium. You can think on the stuff and it gets you higher (lower) than pot. And you can pick from several enticing colors. Oh, sometimes I miss the college life. But now I smell better and I have a job and my eyes look normal and I don't shake...

Now if I could buck the darn cigarette thing - now theres a drug.

It's your life to fuck up as you choose.

I have a friend in his 50's who's smoked weed all his adult life. He told me that the thing he regrets most about it is that is sapped all his ambition.

I have a friend in his 30's doing the same. I see him and there's no ambition.

Check This Thread out.

Lest you think I'm preaching at you, I'm not. I don't care if you flush your life down the toilet. But I do think you should be aware that that is what you are doing when you make that choice.

oh god..... did you eat all ths acid?

that's right! music!!!

Labell - I hear what you're saying, and I agree with you. I started this thread as a place for people to talk intelligently about drugs and what they can do for us.

I'm only 21, but I've seen a lot of smart, ambitious people turned into zombies by pot. "It's more harmful than we all thought." Luckily most of my friends have found a way out of their ruts.

And me? I use drugs intermittantly, and I've never had a problem with substance addiction. I don't know if I'm lucky or just stronger-willed... or if my time is yet to come.

I've experimented with a lot of stuff when I was younger weed, all sorts of pills, coke, ecstasy, acid, shrooms. I had fun with it for a while and never made it a habit.

Now all I do is beer(maybe a shot of Curevo every now and then).

I don't think it is a big deal if you do it recreationally. Like someone mentioned, doing a toot before a party or something. When you start planning you life around the drugs, you got a problem.

I never have or will use drugs. They are good for nothing as far as I'm concerned. I've seen plenty of friends destroy their lives with that shit. :mad: I won't do the same.

I was a speed and cocain freak for many, many years...

I quit and it was the best thing I ever did. Now, I speak to young kids in schoos with a local group about the dangers of drugs...

I still drink like a fish, though.

only marijuana for me...my friend always wanted me to try ecstacy but my mother's bipolar and i'm already clinically depressed...that's a button i don't want to push.

isn't it...

every time you smoke weed, you can never be AS sexually pleasured again?

Been there, done that, moved on.
I wouldn't recommend them to my worst enemy.

*Warning rant*


It all depends on what you do and how you do it. For 95% of people there is no real use for drugs. But while we are getting rid of useless things we also need to get rid of Alchol,tobacco, anything fattening,anything caffinated,anything with refined sugar in it and hundred other things that are consumed alone. Thats not even including unneeded technology such as cell phones and cars. The point is we could live without any of those but we choose not to. Now most of this applys to all drugs but because I am less personal experince in things other then pot and alcohol I am going to concentrate on them. The thing is not everyone who smokes is a "stoner" and not every stoner is unproductive. I have met many many people who smoke weed in my day. Very few of them fit in the sterotypes. Which is to say sure some of them do. The listless never wants to do anything lazy bum. But I have also met just as many (if not more) who are productive members of society and are holding down good jobs and rasing familys and what not. They are not all depressed and sad either which is another sterotype. Many of them are just as outgoing and active as anyone else. Often more so. And if you have never done drugs and don't want to then fine. But don't tell me I am wasting my life becasue you don't know shit. All you know is what your goverment tells you which is all lies. And you know these stories that people swap about people wasting their lives. People do waste their lives. Some happen to be on drugs others never touch the stuff and waste their lives. What you don't hear about is the productive active member of society who sometimes goes home and on the weekends or what not smokes/drinks. Then goes the work and raises his family. When is the last time you heard that story? It does exist (in fact really its more common) but no one wants to hear that story so they don't tell it.

...i have to agree with sixate...

But i Looooove red wine ;)

doobie here,doobie there, no worries

odd glass o wine

big fan of beer

don't like hard booze

BBtB - Right on. Tons of people use drugs and are still productive. It's a matter of self control.

If you can't handle it, don't do it. Just like anything else.

if you have a weak mind, drugs will screw you. if you are highly intelligent, then they are a good tool to further develop thoughts and awareness.

Tried lots of stuff, hell I think it's worth trying as long as you don't make it a habit.. Now I mostly use cannabis and shrooms. And alcohol even though I know it's one of the most addictrive and mentally as well as physically harmfull drugs there is. But alcohol is the only socially acceptible drug for some reason, so who am i to turn it down? I prefer cannabis though..

just pot for me thanks... but I don't touch it anymore coz i started feeling a lot dumber. After about 2 weeks off it though i felt a lot more like my regular self.

agree 100% TaLoN. I smoke pot and drink alcohol while having a decent, happy life. The trick is to use them wisly and never abuse.

Aye, and that is sorta the point. I am not going to argue that in the short term pots make you forgetfull and a little stupid. But that is only while high. I havn't smoked in 3 days and I am fine.

TaLoN -
I agree. I know I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but ... well, you know. The changes that I underwent while on acid were incredible. It was like my mind literally opened up, and I could think about things that were inconceivable without the drug. I could go on and on about how amazing an experience it was (which would be VERY different from describing how amazing a night on Ecstasy might feel).

I can't imagine what goes through a dull mind on acid. What a waste.

i've done pot quite a few times, there was a time last year where i was smoking every weekend.. but i stopped doing that before it too dangerous..

and what TaLoN said about intelligence, sounds pretty true. Pot makes me so creative for the following few days after taking it, but also makes me feel 'forgetful, a little stupid', like what BBtB said, for a few days afterwards. getting stoned & watching winamp AVS shows you just how creative you are. your mind will turn the patterns into stuff, like a tunnel, that you;re traveling through.. dunno eh hard to explain.

i've also done nitrous, but that's hardly a drug (it's legal here i think)

hell, i smoke weed and enjoy myself; opium every now and then as well. i've never done anything stupid or regreting while i was smoking and it keeps my mind from running over time.

i've done shrooms once and i've done adderal with some friends. i haven't had much and can't really make to good a decision. but i have to say, of the few i have done, i like weed and shrooms. i'm more for the natural, mother nature grown things, i trust them better. there are a couple of synthetics i would like to try, but nothing major or hardcore. i'd get my ass beat and so would any of my friends if they tried it.

The only drugs that I have used besides alcohol are shrooms and X. I think that both were enlightening experiences that I will cherish forever, actually. The times that I have used these drugs I made memories with friends that I will never forget. However, there are downsides to these drugs. I used shrooms only twice, so I'm sure that it's not them. I took X approximately 8-12 times. Since then I've received such a massive restraint on my memory. It's weird. Some things I remember perfectly and clearly like the back of my hand. However, simple things I cannot seem to recall. For example, sometimes it will take me a good 5 minutes to recall just what happened yesterday. Or something that happened at work will have vanished from my memory. I've concluded that it was X that has put this damage to my memory, and will therefore never touch the stuff again. Although they created some wonderful times for me. It sux!

been there, done it, been to jail, lost everything...and wasted 10 years out of life to regain a sense of self. Oh, please continue and live the life I did. And have fun! I'll never go back.

Sober 9 years May 23 of this year

All I do is alcohol and the occasional cuban cigar. Good red wine, single malts and German beers without the preservative shit.

I think its important to know about drugs, even if you don't do them. www.erowid.org is a really interesting resource, as reading it does makes you realize that just about everything that enters our bodies (by whatever means) has an effect on our minds.

One consequence of criminalizing the chemical drugs is the amount of shit like caffeine that's cut with it on the street. How can you asses the harmfulness of ecstacy when the pills are just as likely to contain god-knows-what in addition to the ecstacy?

I would like to see mainstream academia agree on some kind of research conventions for the study of hallucinogens. It'd really might help in understanding the human brain. It's not going to happen though, they're just too conservative.

I don't do drugs, nor do I drink, or smoke cigarettes.

However, in a way I have respect for people that try drugs because they are trying something new and risky.

Having respect for someone that does drugs sounds kind of funky, but in a way I do. They are doing something that I am not "brave" enough to do, or at least try, and therefore in a way I have a measure of respect for them.

I hold nothing against people that do drugs, as I feel that everyone is in control of their own life and has a right to do what they want with it. While some people view drug users as "weak" people looking for a way out, I personally view them as people trying something new and unique. And I certainly don't hold that against them.

Trying to quit Cigs (The worst drug out there period!), I don't drink that often, once every few months and not enugh to get shitfaced. I smoke weed, I like it but I try not to do it to the extreme... I like weed for the fact I can smoke a jay/bowl and go along my everyday life and no one knows a damn thing (Some do, but most don't). It doesn't lay me out on the couch or make me so stupid that I can't carry on a conversation. I don't like anything hardcore and I consider anything but weed hardcore (opium is the base of alot of bad drugs, to adtive IMHO) and tripping is not someone that should be done alot. I don't have a problem with a person who does drugs, unless it impacts their life to the point it is a problem. Drugs can kill, but sometimes they can help.

In my life, I've done more drugs for more years than most people here.
I don't do drugs now and haven't for some years.

If you are interested in my review:
drugs are destructive of mind, self, life, and others - period.

I've never used an illegal drug and don't plan to. I've got prescriptions for codine and I've been on morphine (when I had surgery) that was nice but I think I liked it so much just because it was relief from the pain I was in. I'm always curious so I'd try marijuana but that wouldn't be more than an experiment. I sometimes have the occaisonal wine, champagne, or beer. Never have smoked cigarettes. In reference to those situations where people use "responsibly" I have a friend who now and then smokes some marajuana. He's married - 7 years, no children, and CEO of a big corporation. It's not hurt his ambition or intelligence but he only uses it once every few years or so. The biggest thing - Don't let it rule you. That's where people get hurt.

Drugs affect everyone differently. I'd say through my own personal experience that nothing spectacular has ever become of it. The day after you always feel drained. The effects of "drugs" can be the best you felt in your life, or the worst. With hallucinogens the effects are so 50/50. I ate acid two weeks after I got high for the first time and blew my fucking mind. I had no idea how to handle it, I didn't know what it was like to be out of my head...I'm was pretty sure I teleported that night...but the fact is, it was just a hallucunation. Acid, by far is the hardest drug out there. I can say that it was a truly life changing experience...would I take it back if I could?...It's hard to say...I'll post more later, this has the potential to be an interesting thread.

I've never had anything illegal, but I once spent almost a month in the hospital on a PCA (basically, it continuously pumps morphine into the bloodstream). I didn't like the way that I acted while on morphine. At first, the morphine made me more outgoing and a little more amusing then I usually am. Normally, I'm very calm and laid back, but after a while on the morphine, they almost had to restrain me. Now, I refuse to do any drugs or drink any alcohol because I don't like the way that I acted.

The closest I get to drugs is the church wine. ;)

I'll take the time to specify I don't use alcohol either.
I have too many close friends who have been devastated by that to ever want to touch the stuff.

To put a very long story short, I ended up in a mental hospital for a week. There I met a recovering drug addict. I have always been clean, and listening to him describe his drug binges made me lose all the previous curiosity I had of them. During one of his drug binges, he tried to kill his mom and didn't even remember. I find it sad when people use drugs to get away from the troubles of day-to-day life and that drug use leads them down a road better left untravelled.

... i... dont like drugs much. never done any and i never will.

I've experimented with almost evey drug (no needles) there is. Some a little more than experimenting. A few years ago I decided I didnt want to use them anymore, and stopped. Now like Macheath; occasional fine wines and beers are consumed for taste.
I will say some of the funnest times of my life were the times I used X. If / when Ive have children of my own I will do my very best to educate them about and steer them away from drug use.

I took some antibiotics a few months ago. Crazy ass stuff too. Made that sinus infection go away in less than a week. Scared the pants right off of me. I may never do that again!

For the heavier stuff - coke, pot, X, meth, etc., - never tried 'em and don't really see the point in using.

dude, that happened to me twice ... once severely, once mildly. my now-boyfriend [who wasn't my boyfriend at the time, heh] ended up taking care of me the severe time. it's not asthma [at least not with me], since i'm not asthmatic, but maybe the low blood sugar .. ? i dunno, it's a good theory.

but yeah, drugs - i avoid coke, heroin, speed and e like the plague. lsd kind of scares me. lately i've been trying to avoid putting substances in my body that haven't already been there ... so i still smoke pot a tiny bit and drink.

i've done opium once and on accident [a friend conveniently forgot to tell me there was a bit of opium left in her pipe when we smoked pot out of it], and i've been having a bit of an urge to try it again. i had a great time, actually, but felt like shit the next day, and so did my boyfriend, who'd smoked out of the same pipe. is that normal with opium? hmm.

dvorak: the smoke from pot should -help- your lungs during an asthma attack. it relaxes the muscles and open bronchia. i've not done any drugs, myself, besides pot once... i didn't care for it. i have a good friend who came -close- to totally fucking his life up due to them and i had a terrible addiction to a pain killer by mistake....

anyhow, i saw pantera in 2001 and was having asthmatic problems when a guy lit up in front of me. i inhaled some of the smoke..... my breathing got MUCH better.

however, asthma is a weird disorder. so it may have many, many odd affects on you.

I find pot to be alot of fun, especially relaxing with friends. But other than that and some alcohol I don't do much.

I agree its a learning experience, A few years back I did everything & I have learned from it. I dont even smoke now & only drink a couple of Guinness' every once in a while. I dont believe Im missing out.
I understand why drugs are attractive, why people use them & what they do.
While I was trying to quit (not the easiest thing I've ever done) I studied everything about drugs I could find, drug culture still fascinates me. I feel sorry for people who believe the "Just say no" bullshit cause I reckon drugs are just as much a part of modern society as hotdogs or Adidas & if you dont try & you dont know what it is like - "Who the fuck are you to tell me not to take this or that when you dont know what the fuck youre talking about??"
Drugs are not new, make no mistake the drugs industry is FUCKING HUGE & I think its impossable to eradicate them because no matter how much you deny it - theyre part of us, theyve been around since before your grandparents & theyre not going away.
I think the best approach is education, less people will die if they know what the fucks going on in thier minds/bodies instead of secretly taking a nondescript pill in the shadows & wigging out & ending up in the hospital or worse. Also education for me at leist was the best tool I found to stop taking when I decided enough was enough. But alas our governments (especially the American, no offence intended) think censoring & pusing something disagreeable into the shadows will make it go away.

part of society or not, i'm not taking the risk and get addictive, call me a coward or whatever, maybe I can say no after a few tries, but what happens if I get addicted ...

no I stay away of hard-drugs,

alcholol now and then but that's about it ...

Maybe Iwas a little harsh, Apologies.

MDMA ("Ecstasy") isn't all that harmful when done in moderation and approached when a harm reductionist attitude. It can also be quite a shining experience.

I knew a kid once and it really scared me. He was 12, and he started out with pot. He was in grade nine by age 13 (he skipped a grade) and he did it all. Alcohol, valiums, codeine, shrooms, acid, methamphetamines, crystal meth, and cocaine. All at 13. You could see his condition deteriorate and his personality just faded away.
I ,personally, don't want this fate, and have remained drug free all my life.

wow, this is a really interesting thread.

i... don't mind em.

as far as recommending any of these to others, i never would. to try these is a risk people have to take by themselves without peer pressure.

what's the difference?

I've never used drugs, or alcohol, for that matter. I generally avoid them like the plague. I enjoy life too much to risk screwing it up.

Just as a side note, you should all watch Requiem for a Dream. Such a good movie... and its really shows what can happen (if you haven't seen me, its not a preachy movie at all... its just an amazing film).

WhoaitsZ, about $250.

To those of you who think you're not too "weak minded" and can handle drugs, hear the voice of experience:

BULLSHIT!!

By the way, it's not "brave" to take a risk and try something new. None of these drugs is new. It "stupid" not to learn from your own mistakes or the mistakes of others.

And it's not that there are so many success stories by drug users that you just never hear about; it's that there aren't that many. Drugs WILL fuck up your life.

I'll stop here to avoid a rant.

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:rolleyes:

It's amazing that people and, or government officials that say weed is just horrible but prozac, zanax etc. is OK???,speed is bad. Diet pills, stackers etc OK?? cigs cause cancer that's OK?? not to mention liver disease from alchohol pot helps chemo patients w/ appetite, nausia thats bad seems like All things taxed are OK Those that aren't are bad.............
WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE?

if you've never tried them how do you know you don't like them?

I do everything in modesty... drugs are great when taken recreationally, but once you cross the line of addiction and they become a major part of who you are, it's a red flag. There are some drugs that I will never take or condone taking, but there are risks in everything we do, might as well have some fun.

I've imbibed my fair share of narcotics, and I've never considered myself addicted to anything. I can and have quit different drugs either because I decided I was doing them too much or just to flex my willpower... or because i was on probation ;)

There are minor differences in their pharmacology. Cocaine is also a local anesthetic.

Maybe you think it shows "what can happen" because you've never used before. The movie is unrealistic and unfair towards drugs and should not be taken as anything other than "what can happen if you are really fucking stupid and have severe emotional problems and get involved in drugs/worst case scenario".

I agree.

I disagree that "drugs WILL fuck up your life". You also cannot expect to know every story of every drug user ever. That is ridiculous.

Anything in moderation.

blkdmnd says "anything in moderation" and i mostly agree.

I can think of two things to never do, period. crack and heroine.

everybody has an easy time of saying 'i can handle it' or 'you can't handle it' ... get over yourself, guys. every - single - human - is - different. some can do this and stop, some can do that. some may go in extreeme direcions by doing something, someone else may do the opposite.

cocain, from what i've heard and seen is dangerous but people who have an iron will of "i cannot do this on so and so day" can pull it off. if they can't control themselves they have no buisness fucking with their lives.

also remember why cocain is so addictive. it burns out your pleasure senses in the end and you have to do some math.... is this -good- feeling once in awhile better than the rest of my life? if you do it too much and then have to quit, if your brain goes in a certain direction you will _never experience pleasure again_


as for heroine, the opiat gives you an instant addiction doesn't it?

i'm against drugs, but i's my choice. i don't think most soft drugs should be illegal...... and when it comes to saying 'well pot will lead to lsd, lsd to coc, coc to crack'...... don't we do this already? kool-aid to cokes to coffee?

if i could do it physically i would try LSD but due to my condition i can't. so i don't. i have learned my limits on substance..... and i don't cross the line.

people with weak will..... stay away from danger.

i'm just curious what condition that is?

and i'd like to add a drug to that list: PCP

You're right. I've never used drugs before. But I have friends who do and are ok, and I've had friends who have died or killed themselves because of drugs. So please don't assume that just because I've never used drugs, I don't know what can happen because of them.

This discussion has been enlightening with many points well articulated and heartfelt comments shared.

The most addictive drug (and perhaps one of the most dangerous overall) is nicotine. I haven't looked at the stats recently, but isn't about one-third of the population at any given time addicted to nicotine? Alcohol rounds out the most popular drug category unless one wants to consider caffeine. The number of lives corrupted by hard drugs is tiny in comparison to those affected by alcohol & nicotine. And friends, you probably know this but _ nicotine_ is the so-called gateway drug, not marijuana.

Cocaine doesn't do that. Stop using scare tactics and open your mind a little bit. Cocaine is so addictive because it happens to work through a particular dopamine pathway in the brain that has "behavior reinforcing" effects on animals and humans.

No, and second, physiological opiate addiction can easily be treated with an inexpensive, over the counter amino acid.

Physiological addictions are nothing compared to the desire to keep using the drugs.

And also, there is no fucking "e" at the end of heroin.

And what condition is that? Are you sure it's physical?

I didn't make the assumption that you don't know what can happen because you haven't used drugs. I made the presumption because you used RfaD as a fair drug representation.

*warning 3 o'clock in the morning rant. There is probably nothing in here worth reading and I do apolgize in advance for anyones toes I ment inadvertantly step on

First off, while RFaD IS a good movie its far from what happens to drug users. That is like less then 1% of drug users go that way. One thing I have noticed as a general theme and the main reason it erks me that pot is illegal while things like Nicotene, alchohol and caffiene are legal. Lets stop making generlizations about drugs. Drugs will not defintly fuck up your life. They can. Just like any number of other things can. Just like eating to much can. Heartacttacks and a brain tumors can. Now this is just the Libertarion in me talking but I think we should make a number (maybe not all but a number) of drugs legal. I am not well versed in drugs enough to say which ones but an obvious one is pot. I have never heard a single argument for the illegalization of pot that I can not despute. Common ones are that it will be easier for kids to get if is legal. Bullshit. As any 8th grader can tell you it is several times easier to get pot then alcohol. And when is the last time you saw a alcohol dealer? Well the 30s... I have known many many potheads. I have known a few people that have done harder stuff. And I know just a very few who regulary do the hard stuff(And for the sake of argument the hard stuff is going to be coke and herion and related ones). A few things I will tell you from personal experince. Pot will not fuck up your life. You can have a fucked of life and smoke pot and it defintly will not help. To quote half baked "You ever suck dick for pot?" And one thing that pot does not do is lead to harder drugs. If all the people I have ever known that have done hard drugs and pot maybe half of them did pot first. For those who don't know. Pot dosn't get boring for most people. The effects are alot like alcohol (not exactly the same obviously but very simular) and you don't think about alcoholics getting bored right? Okay I have like a bunch of other things I want to say but I am really tired and none of this is comming out right so all I will say is to the people who have never done anything. Thats fine. Live your life. You know you will probably be better off for avoiding drugs but do not tell me what drugs do. Okay, I do not care about your best friend the pothead. Or your dad the coke fiend. YOU have not done drugs therefor you don't know shit. I have friends that have been to europe. They told me stories and showed me pictures. I am not going to go act like I have been to europe now. All I am asking is don't tell me how drugs have no uses. They may be of no use to you but depending on the person and how they use them and what they use and when.. they have uses.

I have tried a whole slew of things. Pot, coke, LSD, mushrooms, speed, crystal meth, E to name a few well known types. I haven't touched any drugs in awhile, not that I have sobered up. Just haven't felt like it. By far the worst drug has to be (IMO) meth. Talk about an addictive drug. Kinda like pringles once you pop you just can't stop. But I pulled away from that just like all the rest. I think if you are going to use drugs for recreation or enlightenment you need to have enough respect for yourself to pull up. Drugs can be tons of fun and very enlightening but you have to respect them.

Drugs are bad, mmmkay. Seriously though, I have never really been into drugs. I did acid once, it was New Years Eve 1999. I figured what the hell, there couldn't possibly be a better time. If the world was going to end at least I'd go out with a bang. I have smoked pot once in a while, but I never yearned for it. I'd just be hanging out with friends and if they're smoking, I will too. I've since gotten married and have a two month old daughter, so I've put that stuff behind me. I won't even get into how much of an alcoholic I was before I even reached my 18th birthday.

I have Spinal Muscular Atrophy, a neurelogical disease. the nerves and muscles do not communicate well and any alternating drugs could _really_ fuck me up.

bundy; calm down dude.

as for the movie RFaD..... that's way too extreme for an example. i'm sure it is more than possible, but the movie makes it kind of silly. for me anyways.

well put.:D

and.................i too have asthma and i have a hit or two and it's cleared up.allbeit for only a couple hours then guess what......i have another hoot.

i'd rather put clean grown from the earth drugs in me than any man made SHIT..yes SHIT

headache=pot

asthma=pot

glaucoma=pot

cancer=pot

it helps out wonders.

hey micky...try it you'll like it

Alternating drugs? What is the physical reason you cannot take LSD? I do not understand.

from what i've been told, since my nerves do not communicate properly, it would be very dangerous to use somethig that could possiibly 're-wire' anything.

The occasional drink and the occasional toke. I've set rules for myself. I only drink or smoke if I'm where I'm gonna be for the next 12 hours of so (no drinking/smoking and driving).

I'll admit, I've gotten lucky. I drink and smoke socially and that's it. I can sit around with people who are smoking and not feel like I have to join in. I've taken the chances I have and haven't had to regret them.

I don't think I'll push it any farther (LSD, coke, etc). I'm happy with where I am now and don't see the need to push my luck with any other drugs.

P.S. Thanks to all for what's been a civil and constructive conversation. Drugs are a sensitive topic and it's obvious people have passionate views. The fact that this hasn't degenerated into something ugly is what makes TFP great.

I like all kinds of stimulants. Although it has been a couple years since I have done anything. When I did not drugs, it was yay-o (cocaine) amphetamines, and the occational vicodin. But truely it was not that much.

I'll have a beer every once in a while, a glass of wine. I smoked cigarettes for a little over five years up until six weeks ago. Tried shrooms once, never did acid. Would be interested in attempting shrooms again. Other than that, I'm not interested in drugs.

You do what the hell you want behind closed doors, as long as it doesn't harm people.

Damn got bored readin' the sermons!

Here's the list:

Weed
Hash
Oil
Shrooms
Acid - Both Tabs and Liquid
Speed - inc. Meth
Coke
Crack
E's
Opium


Not a big deal. Only two of that list was I hooked on and it was mental only. Been clean on most of them for over three years. (90% of the list).
My parents taught me how to deal with the old school, and I learned from my own mistakes on the other (Which I will pass on).
I found it came down to a simple ?, do you want to rule your life or do you want an outside influence to do it for you.

I have no problem with someone experimenting and making their own mind up. Sorry to all you "Straight Lace" people out there, but your not 100% with the facts. If someone doesn't have the power to make their own decisions, they won't control any drugs even if "illegal" drugs are involved. In a "good" society they will turn to legal drugs like"prozac" and "viagra" and others.
"Hey Doctor I'm Feeling Low, can you help me, here's 200$ for the consultation"

I just smoke weed, I have done other drugs that i am not going to mention...I wouldn't do these other drugs again though. I was experimenting.

That as well as what flyman said is basically what it all boils down to for me. If it comes straight from the earth how can it be bad? (and yes I am aware there ARE some posinous plants and what not but I would rather take my risk with them then with some crazy compound)

Those very same "crazy compounds" are found your precious earth food too. What do you think gets you high in marijuana? Magic?

Second, "crazy compounds" are able to receive much more attention and safety testing than plants, which may contain dozens of psychoative chemicals.

Yes, they are found in the earth. Just like uranium. I am going to go eat me a big bowl of that right now. What I am saying is they aren't naturally found that way. They are created by man. And if marijuana was made legal then it could get just as much attention and saftey testing as them. And I don't know of one of them you can't overdose on (I am sure there is one out there but I havn't heard it) when is the last time you heard of someone overdosing on marijuana?

This does not dictate anything other than how they were created, it does not dictate "inherit drug safety".

Overdosing is not the same as taking a lethal dose. I have never heard of someone dying as a result of self-administered marijuana (except from people who didn't know what they were talking about), but I have heard and seen and experienced where many a time the person was more stoned than they intended to get.

medicinal pot is being tested up here in canada,but we need more testing to find out what other things pot will help.....yes help with.

These days I only get high at work.

Spent many years hiding behind the mask of drugs.
Shed the addictions one by one. The last being pain pills...17 months clean.
Once the mask was removed, I discovered where my real strengths are.
Being able to look in the mirror and like the reflection staring back at me is a good place to be.

<i>Some things I remember perfectly and clearly like the back of my hand. However, simple things I cannot seem to recall. For example, sometimes it will take me a good 5 minutes to recall just what happened yesterday.</i>

I have never done drugs of any kind and hardly ever drink yet I am exactly what you just described.

My list:

Alcohol
Marajuana
Mushrooms
Ketamine
LSD

Nothing overtly physically addictive, nothing that costs alot, and nothing that I am not prepared for. I don't do them all the time, and I don't recommend them for you if you don't KNOW that you can handle the effects.

I don't want to debate if its right or wrong what I have done. I've had alot more safe, fun times with shrooms and marajuana than anything alcoholic. IMHO, alcohol is worse than alot of drugs out there. Not going to argue with you about it though.

The only thing that I ever tried and was addicted to was
ciagarettes---smoked for 34 years before I went cold turkey--
20 years later I did "talk to may GOD" on the way to bypass
surgery--(he does answer prayers)---

you only go around once---use it wisely--

--and, if you ever have to search through the back alleys
looking for one of your screwed up, addicted kids---you
will never touch that shit again---

with age does not come wisdom, just experince....
I said that ---VG :mad:

*Warning: Rant #2*
Well you see iam only 18 but i have already tried almost all of the drugs there are....weed, acid, exctasy, LCD, and coke. drugs to avoid: definetely heroin, however an intersting facts that i was not aware of is that there is a lot of heroin in most e pills......hmmm.....addictive? anyways, under certain circumstance coke is the best drug in the world: 1/ if u can get pure pure cocaine (t's hard but possible) then it is just as clean as marijuana 2/ if u can control a mental addictions (again hard but possible [very very hard]) then that is the only addiction u have to battle... there is absolutely no physical addictive additives in coke and 3/ if u can afford it, good (aka pure) coke is expensive
the most interesting experience: i am still laughing today....about a year ago me and 2 of my friends were out in a park, high on exctasy, and (don't ask) each of us had a glock 17 (the standard toronto police handgun).....me and one of my friends were otherwise clean however the third had 2 dimes of weed with him....when the cops got a report of us ( apparently one of us flashed it and we got the cops called) they arrested us and patted us down hardcore confiscating everything...somehow the dumb ass pig who was searching my friend didn't feel the weed....so they handcuff us and put us in the cruisers (me in one and the other 2 in another)...........my friend while handcuffed behind his back and sitting in a po car manages to reach the dimes and stick them between the seat and the back of the backseat.....the hillarity, as you can imagine ensued, as they never found the weed.

I'm presuming this is a joke.

Nope, no drugs, alchohol or cigarettes in my life (I'm 20). Parents are alchoholics, and that's my story. I used to call myself Straightedge, just to concisely communicate what I was all about, but there's so much else attached to being sXe now, I just say I'm 'drugfree'.
I have nothing but respect for guys like BoCo and Sixate who've kept by their principles up for much longer than I have thus far... I can't speak for them, but it's been a real challenge at times for me.

no not at all dude

If it is a joke, then I guess it's on me. If it isn't, perhaps we can all learn something.

That isnt even the tip of the iceberg.

Incorrect. Up until just recently, there had never been a pill tested positive for heroin. In this case, the pill was poorly made and was probably done by someone as a prank to end the "there is no heroin in Ecstasy" thing. The pill, at the very best, would contain a small oral dose of heroin. The person would not experience much from it and it would take several weeks or months to develop a physiological dependence to heroin. The pill also contained fluoxetine (Prozac), but did not contain MDMA or MDA. I'd be suprised if anyone would feel anything if they took the pill.


Physiological dependence cannot hold a match to the desire to do highly addictive drugs.

EDIT: Apologies for my last, removed remark.

alright it is time to set a few things straight. i just read every singlepost in this thread that has been posted at this time. the number one problem with drugs is lack of education. i do use drugs, i've used ones you have heard of, and i've used ones you'll never hear of. but at all times, i've known what i've been doing. people get into trouble because they don't know what they are getting into. drugs do not ruin a life, drug addiction ruins a life. i personally do not, and never will, use addictive drugs. i am mostly interested in the hallucinogen category of substances, since my primary purpose for drug usage is exploration. by far the most powerful substance i have come across is 5-MeO-DMT. a very short trip, but it defies all laws of physics, emotion, and time. and before i used it, i researched its legitimate uses, the effects of its illegitimate use, the chemistry of the DMT itself, the biochemical reactions taking place in my brain, precautions, suggestions, etc. i've done the same research for substances i am looking forward to trying. drug users who get into trouble have nobody but themselves to blame. who doesn't know that coke or heroin or crack is addictive? addiction leads to destruction. using drugs in a moderated educated fashion can be a great way to have a new or enjoyable experience. the widespread lack of knowledge about drugs is the reason people say "drugs are bad". all drugs have their ups and downs, but, as with all things, educate yourself before talking about them, let alone using. and props to butthead, he seems to know his stuff pretty well.

I disagree. Knowledge isn't necessarily applied. I may know a sufficient amount about drugs and safer use, but I have irresponsibly used drugs many times.

Once again, I disagree. Drug addiction is not a terminal disease. I think drug addiction could more often be a symptom of other troubles.

Any enjoyable experience can become an obsession. Compulsive activity is not limited to pharmacology.

Perhaps you would kindly post the pharmacologic effects of 5-MeO-DMT?

I'm rather ambivalent on this point. I'm still debating free-will vs. environmental influences.

Not necessarily. I think addiction would be an indicator that things are not peachy keen, but addiction doesn't necessarily have to be devestating.

I agree. Less is more, as harm reductionists often say.

I think it has more to do with ignorance, bigotry, intolerance, and irrational thinking. I don't see why those "drugs are bad" people won't accept that drugs (and other things) are not black and white.

Thank you.

the T in DMT stands for tryptamine, which is a basic structural molecule that is the parent structure for many psychoactive compounds. serotonin, which regulates many of our normal biological functions, is 5-hydroxy tryptamine. 5-methoxy-N,N-dimethyltryptamine is 5-MeO-DMT. the structural similarity allows the DMT molecule to fit into the serotonin receptor and mix up any signal that was trying to be sent across the synapse. many other hallucinogens are active in the same manner as 5-MeO-DMT. Psilocybin, the psychoactive compound in shrooms, is 4-phosphoryloxy-N,N-DMT. LSD, though not a tryptamine compound, also effects serotonin receptors.

People say I'm weird on this subject.

I don't possess any religious beliefs against drug usage, yet I've never so much as tried a single one.

Not only am I not held back by religious beliefs, but I also despise the drug laws in most of the world.

So why don't I do them?

I'm sort of a mental purist. I want to experience things as they truly happen. Artificial alteration of one's state of mind is what I avoid.

Oh yeah, drugs are expensive too.

Psychoactive drugs generally have two functions when they bind to receptors. They either plug into the receptor and mimic neurotransmitter action (agonist) or they block access or neurotransmitters and other drugs without carrying on neurotransmission (antagonist). LSD and presumably other tryptamine hallucinogens (yes, LSD is a tryptamine) act as agonists at the 2A and 2C subclasses of serotonin receptors to exert their hallucinogenic effects. Also, there are several psychoactive chemicals in mushrooms that produce hallucinogenic effects.

I was just curious about the more advanced pharmacology of 5-MeO-DMT as I have read next to nothing on the subject (yet). I've only used it once, high-dose, very interesting.

5-MeO-DMT is an agonist. Psilocybin is the main psychoactive in mushrooms, psilocin is also active and present in lower amounts.

haven't done a lot but i have done a few (weed, hash, opium, DXM, ritalin) and of the ones I have done, I have had fun with all of them. I have basic knowledge on each one but not enough to give you all sermons for so I guess I will just leave it at the fact that I like em and that is all that this thread is really asking for.

I just like my beer & rum, not into anything else.

I experimented in college and high-school and decided I didnt like them.