shit, I forgot to include cigarettes and alcohol to my list. oh well, they are on there now :)

ok, there's a hell of a lot i could say about drugs, and after having read everything in this thread there was a whole lot i wanted to say in response. however, in an effort to save time and space and to try to keep my rantings to a minimum, i'm just gonna try to give a (relatively) short response to the original post.

drugs i have done so far: (in the order in which i tried them)
caffeine
nicotine
marijuana
LSD
alcohol
cocaine
ephedrine
DXM
salvia divinorum
opium
adderal
psilocybin mushrooms
ritalin
percocet
xanex
(also, many/various combinations of the above)

i am very much addicted to caffeine and cigarettes. i think people make a big mistake in assuming legal substances aren't as bad, especially caffeine(cigarettes are bad too of course, but that's much more publicized, so i see no need to emphasize that here). i'm getting much better (for the most part) at regulating my caffeine intake; it's honestly probably caused me more physical damage/discomfort/problems in general than anything else. ever had a caffeine overdose? not fun. the days when i wouldn't be able to sleep for a week or always needed a cup of double or triple strong coffee just to function are over now, thankfully.

weed is absolutely wonderful (IMO) and it's also the (illegal) drug i use most often. i'm a pothead/stoner/whatever you want to call me, and not ashamed of it. i've never been much of an alcohol person. although i do drink, it's generally not a major thing for me. if i had to choose i'd pick pot over alcohol any day

my favorite overall/so far/etc is LSD. no contest. guess i'm just an acid head at heart:). i like psychedelics in general, and so far i like acid better than anything else. shrooms are great too. i like DXM quite a bit as well and have tripped on it more often than any other substanse; most often high second platuea doses, although my first few times were first plateau, and i have made it to third on a few occasions.

i like opium a whole lot, probably too much, but it's not been a hard thing to keep under control. basically, i don't buy large amounts at once and i dont let myself buy too often either.

adderal and ritalin are both fun, under the right circumstances, although i prefer adderal. i've snorted both and smoked adderal (initially just mixed in w/ a bowl, later freebase as well). being amphetamines, both are also great for studying, and also helpful when i just plain have a lot of shit to get done. but amphetamine binges arent exactly a good thing, so i use in moderation(well, moderation for me;), obviously it varies from person to person). i prefer adderal for studying as well, although smoking it, as it has a different set of effects, isn't really appropriate to those situations; otherwise, i prefer smoking over snorting.

coke was fun, and i liked it a lot the few times i have done it, but it is far too expensive for me to let it be a regular thing.

salvia was...very interesting. i liked the trip(finally got there after several failed and only a few halfway decent attempts), but it's hard to get an effect with just leaf, which was what i originally purchased and was experimenting with. i think any future explorations of salvia will be with extracts, for practicality's sake, since one must dose quickly for salvia to work. you can't just "boost" later and smoke more.

i haven't done X, even though i've had the opportunity on many occasions. it just hasn't appealed to me enough to be worth the risk and high price. acid, shrooms, dxm, and salvia (etc) are all cheaper and safer, plus i know i like them. i may use x at some point, but only under the right conditions. i'd want a source i really trusted, a safe place and time, no work(etc) the next day, a supply of anti-depressants for afterwards to avoid the super-low serotonin levels that would otherwise result, and - most importantly - someone i really loved and trusted to be there and roll with me (and no, i wouldn't try to convince anybody to do something they didn't want to, and in this particular case i'd just as soon not do it as do it alone. even though there have been many occasions when i was the only one tripping, it seems to me that X would be an experience best shared). never at rave, however, i can say that. i'm not good with crowds, plus you never know quite what you're getting, plus there are all sorts of other risks as well. so, no raves for me.

as far as drugs i would never do... well, honestly, i'm up for most anything. i wouldn't smoke crack, i can definitely say that. i know shouldn't do heroin - i know too many junkies (all of which are good people, and functioning members of society, btw) to think it's something casual or to just say "oh, i can handle that, i'm experienced with drugs" (especially as fond as i am of opium, i know i would LOVE heroin) - but i have to honestly say, if the opportunity came up, in the right circumstances (i.e. safe place, someone i trust very much who knows what they're doing, etc) i doubt i'd turn it down. i think i'd have to keep it under control the same way i do opium, only much more strictly - like a friend of mine who for several years now has limited his use to only 2-3 times a year at most, and when he does use, plans everything out before hand, takes a weekend off from work and all other obligations, and rents a hotel room a few states away. he's still addicted, but doesn't let it run his life and distances himself from it so that he is no longer as tempted on a daily basis.

in general, i try to learn everything i can about a given drug before i try it - both from research/reading about it and by talking to those who are more experienced - and i'm always learning more. i will probably be doing various drugs for the rest of my life, and will try those that i have learned enough about to be interested in doing and that i fell comfortable doing. i intend to explore psychedelics quite a bit more, and i doubt i'll ever give up weed entirely, even if i do end up smoking less as i get older..

basicly, i feel that drugs can be good or bad, depending on the person, the substance, the setting, and a whole range of other factors. drugs happen to be a big part of my life, but they don't run my life. i can't say that every drug experience i've had has been 100% positive, but overall, in my case, there have been a lot more positives than negatives, most especially with marijuana and the psychedelics. drugs aren't for everybody though. one should use common sense, know the substance involved, know one's limits, and and know when certain substances are or are not appropriate.

as far as memorable experiences.... oh i've had plenty:)... but this post is long enough already, so if someone wants to know more they can pm me or get in touch through AIM

(ok, sorry if i wasted anybody's time, just throwing in my two cents on the drug issue)

good points GreenCLoud

thanks

::stands and applauds:: I feel exactly the same! I smoke GOOD weed almost everyday. I have for years, I don't think I have lost any ambition and I don't think that any of my peers think so either. I have a good job, kids, a couple nice cars and I take care of my responsiblities.

I have in the past done other drugs that did impair my life. I used to be a speed freak, that shit almost killed me. I have done coke, acid, shrooms and x. None of which I can ever see myself doing again. Well maybe shrooms if I was in the right state of mind.

heh, just pot man

and a few other things.

Dudes!

Drugs, many, various, excessive, continual.

I can't remember the 70s.

So far Ive done pot, acid, shrooms, and vicodin. Vicodin didnt do anything for me, Im a regular casual user of pot. And I do shrooms some too. Acid was fun, but I dunno when i'll do it again. I want to try Ecstacy though, just once.

I do drugs for fun but I also do them to enhance my creativity. I am an avid song writer and I find it easier for me to write songs while I am stoned. My thoughts get more in depth therefore making my songs more in depth as well. When I look back through my notebooks I can tell the songs I wrote while sober and the songs I wrote while stoned. The drug induced songs are more thoughtful and meaningful for me. It is hard for me to express my emotions when I am sober but when I get stoned they seem to just flow out of me from the pen to paper and from paper to guitar. Just something I thought some on here would find interesting.

true, it can be dangerous, although i must admit i've enjoyed that combination myself on many occaisions too. freebase adderal + a forty or two... oh my:) what an awesome buzz:cool: just cant forget to keep drinking water/gatorade/whatever too, else you'll get really dehydrated. you'd feel really great for a while, but that'd be the hangover from hell the next day

very, very true. it also happens to be (overall) my most expensive habit

smoking is def. my most expensive habit. Making a trip or two to the local convenience store every day

When I smoke I only smoke good weed. There is a diference. Sometimes bad weed will make me lazy. Maybe that is were the sterotype of the sloth full pot head teen came from.


I am the same way. Unless I get REALLY stoned my mind is just racing so fast I have a hard time getting all the ideas out.

I've done acid, 2-CB, coke, speed, ecstasy (a LOT of), shrooms, canabis (weed, skunk, resin) and a few more I can't really remember.

My favourite was acid. What an experience. Did quite a few of those and had an incredible time. They made me use my brain like I never had before. Sort of stretches your mind and opens it to another way of thinking.

After maybe three years (between the age of 18 and 21) of very frequent ecstasy use I found my head was starting to fall apart and I was losing my confidence and getting paranoid. Now I rarely even smoke pot (apart from when I'm drunk).

I'll never do a class A drug again. Not because I don't believe in taking them (I've had too many amazing experiences to believe that), but because I don't think I could handle it anymore. My head was constantly dulled. Plus I'm settled with a very nice girl now who I doubt would appreciate it.

I find it amazing that so many peope dont consider alcohol a drug. I know from experience that alcohol is just as dangerous if not more that pot or (pills when taken correctly).

Now yeah when you get into harder drugs like coke and stuff that may be crossing the line.. but milder drugs when compared to alcohol should not be any more illegal than alcohol.
Just my opinion.

In quick response to impirius7 and buttface's conversation:

Unfortunately, very little research has been documented on 5-MeO-DMT. This is because it is too much of a endogenous chemical and has not undergone any true research (peer reviewed, above-board, etc.) for a number of reasons (that being one of them).

Although more commonly researched, even N,N-DMT has very little concrete understanding in the research that has focused on its effects on humans for over 40 years now. The primary reason for the ignorance on the substance and its analogues seems to be, in part, due to the impulsive illegalization of DMT by the DEA as soon as it appeared as a possible recreational drug. Many research teams were denied licenses to research DMT by force of politics and pressure of the DEA from all fronts.

It's unfortunate, as I believe firmly that all harvested DMT analogues (5-MeO, N-N) have much to show us about the brain's internal functions and possibilities.

On the subject of drugs (relating more to the general social commentary that is involved in the topic), I honestly don't think I could say much more than anyone else has. I am more of a psychonaut than anything else - I believe there is responsible and judicious drug use going on and that there are people out there who know what they are doing. Buttface made a good point when he said that knowledge gained isn't necessarily knowledge applied. The percentage of users with knowledge gained is small, and the percentage even decreases when you look at users with knowledge applied.

As always, it seems the government is doing its job by keeping the general public "safe" from doubt and "worry-free". Unfortunately, the good of the public isn't necessarily beneficial for me, and this explains my bitter attitude toward the drug policies of the United States.

Decriminalization of pot is necessary, and generally speaking, a controlled legal release of many substances is necessary across the board. Time will be the healer for these freedoms, and hopefully we will see a gradual shift of support for decriminalization by users and non-users alike over the next couple decades.

I just bought "The Culture of fear" by Barry Glassner and while I have not read all (or most... I just got it today) the book yet it seems like a very good book. I would recomend everyone to read it even and even more so the chapter on drugs (Chapter 6 -"The smack is back") it shows how our drug laws are based more on politics and corporations with money to be made then on saving lives.

It's disappointing to see so many people proudly declaring, "I've never used drugs, and I never will!"

To me, this is about like saying "I've never read a book, and I'll be damned if those crazy kids are going to get me started!"

While we're in "post everything you've ever done" mode, here's my list:

Alcohol (duh, instant dumbness)
Marijuana (didn't really like it)
Ketamine (incredible)
MDMA (not particularly impressive)
DPT (incredible to the tenth power of the tenth power)
5-MeO-DMT (interesting, but not mind-blowing)
5-MeO-aMT (amusing, but not mind-blowing at all)

My (short) list of things to try includes DMT and LSD.

While I'm totally in favor of all drugs being legal, the ones that personally do it for me are tryptamine-based psychedelics. I've got a report or two posted on erowid in the DPT section if anyone's interested. Anyone who's ever done anything similar will understand how impossible it is to really convey the experience. Incredible. Awesome. Every superlative adjective there is, rolled up into one and magnified by ten.

To people who've never experienced such things, I can only lovingly say: "If only you knew."

these are the drugs I have used or still use

alcohol, every now and then
caffeine, basically every day
cannabis, once in a blue moon

that's basically it. I'm just not a very drug-related person

THE PROBLEM WITH DRUGS IS THAT THEY ARE GOOD!

introduced to drugs when i started college in the fall, done all kindsa stuff.

while not at college i havent done much but drink and whatever at parties

i'm gonna try pretty much anything that is offered to me but i'm not gonna go search for anything, it's easy that way and it also creates the moderation that is neccessary.

I haven't done drugs too often - and nothing terribly hard core either.

Never really exposed to anything in highschool except for pot but then i only tried that once or twice and i was always really drunk when i tried it so i never really distinguished the effect it had on me.

I always thought i would never try chemical type drugs as it wasn't really anything i came in contact with in my circle of friends.

however, i dated a guy for a little while and whilst he never pressured me under his influence i took XTC on a couple of occassions when out at dance clubs. I had unbelievable fun and it was a cheap way of joining in on the social scene - E's were also amazing at helping me 'tune in' (i can't think of a better way of putting it) into my sexuality - and it was an unforgettable experience.

His friends and he on a couple of occassions did crystal meth as well and that was less fun for me ( i didn't try it but their reactions were less fun).

I decided that whilst it was fun the risks were too much and i have a lot to live for - also not seeing that guy anymore and don't really have the opportunity or the desire to seek the opportunity.

I think I've tried had a bit of fun - but i don't have a desire to go try every other type of drug i could or anything like that. I also am not a fan of anything not taken by the mouth - is that weird? i don;t know but snorting or needles or anything like that freaks me out a little.

i have done almost everything known to man: coke, heroin, weed, acid, mushrooms, animal tranquilizers, pcp, opium, crack (once--not a crack head, it was free), mescaline (also only once-only seen it once, best halucinogen ever), basically anything i could get my hands on. i was even addicted to crystal meth for about 8 mos, lost around 70 pounds (this was more than 2 years ago) and still can't gain my weight back. in general, drugs are bad. i used to enjoy the affects of marijuana, but lately (last 5 mos) i've had panic attacks every time i smoked.

my most memorable drug experience was the last time i dropped acid. i'd done it before, but never anything this strong, and i spent the whole peak curled up in a ball in a friends bed hiding under blankets trying to decide if i was going to go serial or postal. i eventually decided i wasn't moving till i came down, or unless i was going to get some friggin thorazine. now, i refuse to touch anything stronger than pot (on a very occasional basis, with people that i am very close to and trust completely). i guess if some psilocybes jumped into my mouth i wouldn't argue, but in general i try to avoid alterations in my state of consciousness that might cause me to lose control (that acid scared the shit out of me)

to sum it up, i'll quote one of the greatest tv characters ever......"Drugs are bad, mmmkay?" -Mr Mackay (sp?) South Park

I prefer to not do illegal stuff if I can help it.

Against nicotine, alcohol and drugs overall.

Using amphetamine, medical use.

Three lungfulls of chronic. Never smoked again after that.

Never done any drugs myself, but I don't judge anybody. To each his own. The only thing I have a problem with is when a person begins affecting other people's lives in a negative fashion because of drugs. Do it in moderation, and with proper respect for the drugs and what can happen, and it's all cool.

Are you sure you got enough 5-MeO-DMT? Since you describe it as hardly mind blowing, it leads me to beleive you havent felt the full force of this wonderful psychedelic. 5-MeO-DMT seems to be the more intense experience for most people. From my experience that is definately true.

If you really want mindblowing.. try some 20x extract Salvia Divinorum. Not necassarily a pleasant experience but definately interesting (if not unnerving). While the tryptamines all share some common similarities Salvia is in a league all its own. My salvia experiences so far have gotten to the intensity of the tryptimines, but I see the potential for it to take the cake (as the most intense, not necassarily pleasant;). Its definately the most ego-dissolving psych experience I have had to date. The most unnerving thing about it for me is.. I forget that i smoked it right when it hits. Ego completely gone. To beat a dead horse.. MAKE SURE YOU USE A SITTER.. most people DO get up and try to walk around or go play in traffic while on this stuff;)