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But the point is that wishing harm on your enemies is a pretty basic part of organized conflict i.e. war. That's the whole reason for being there in the first place. So MY question is why has he, as someone who's very familiar with America and Americans, decided that we're ALL the enemy? There's nothing crazy about that at all. He's simply expanded his definition of "evildoers". Quote:
Soldiering isn't crazy. It's a part of life. Quote:
There are 3 people that I don't respect that did this yet somehow garner the respect of millions. Quote:
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It goes without saying that "soldiers" and "war" are dynamic and amorphous terms as used in this particular thread.
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Oh yea, let us now rejoice in the prevailing legitimacy of violence and brutality.
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Oh, you really got me there.
I am not an optimist any more than you are. I have strong ideals about killing people and I have those ideals because I am keenly aware of how easily people justify killing each other. I really don't care what murdering bastards are loved by millions. Even serial killers have people that love them. ---------- Post added at 10:53 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:44 AM ---------- It's the same phenomena, by the way. Planning the death of thousands in war. Planning the deaths of all the blond women you see who look like your mother. Not you, you, of course. But the psychological steps to getting there are the same. It's amazing what one can rationalize when they shut out all but a very narrow sliver of the world. |
I completely agree that it's awful. But, unfortunately, that is our world. I'd love to waive a magic wand and make war disapear, but it's not going to happen. We can only try to minimize it as much as possible. That's a goal I'm sure we can both agree upon.
But to try to circle this back to the OP, I'm much more interested in the question "why did he change his mind" than I am dismissing him as a madman. He's obviously no more mad than the billions of people that have accepted war as an unfortunate, sometimes inevitable, event. After all: Quote:
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Wow, I have never felt so validated in my life. I gotta take a knee.
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That said, I discern a difference between planning an actual battle between opposing armies and, say, the razing of a city. And I daresay I'm not alone in this observation because of the trouble our military goes to to ensure us that we never target civilians intentionally. Which is a load of horseshit, of course, but indicative of what 'modern Americans' believe about themselves. I experience no cognitive dissonance from acknowledging my own ideals and how thoroughly trampled they are by reality. And I'm certainly not going to buy into either a defeatist view where I am relegated to accepting what repulses me or ennobling it by attributing ridiculous moral virtues to it. And that's about it. |
Thanks to Roachboy for posting this on Facebook...
it looks like people are still asking the same questions about Awlaki.. how did he become so disenfranchised from the general american people? This article may answer some questions. should the americans made the terror attacks a crime against america? or a war against america? is there a difference? Quote:
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Funny dlish. You must see we are all just playing a game. Any transformations are given unless they are taken. Are we not equivalently fair?
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i dont quite understand your post OCM. define 'fair'. The article suggests that had the US limited its response to those that actually carried out attacks instead of going into 2 fullblown wars, it would have done a better job at keeping moderates from being radicalised. the collateral damage as a result of these wars as well as personal family tragedies where his family was targetted suggest that it was this that turned the tide. comparing awlakis two statements in 2001.. Quote:
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its interesting to note that he also mentioned aljazeera as an alternative news source. anyone who's watched aljazeera will tell you how much more graphic their news reporting is compared to the american news channels. Had aljazeera not existed, would awlaki have found an excuse to turn his back on the country where he was raised? are alterative news sources to blame for radicalising muslim youth by showing pictures of dead men, women and children while other US sources feed airbrushed stories to their populace? the question is, was awlaki marginalised by his own predisposition to radical islam or did the US help him on his way with the help of the media? |
Why do you seem to be sympathizing, & characterizing him as a victim? America seems content to marginalize its own citizens willy-nilly; imagine your awlaki as such mindsets might. ... I can't either, but think if one makes a noise that a power doesn't like it should do itself the favor of being sincere. If the power "help"ed him to fulfill his predisposition, I think you know which came first. Ditto if that predisposition was noticed & encouraged. Only if the "help" was provided with the intent of changing his mind could I regard him as not responsible for his words, in so doing diminishing his personhood. I don't feel free to do so. I'm fair game.
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