Now that the pOrn is gone.....
 

....can we post pictures of kids ?

we all love kids and our children and grandchildren offer us many great pics and stories...xoxoxoo

No, not yet. We're still discussing rule changes.

This is being discussed by staff right now. There is no promise that the rule will be lifted or even changed, but we're discussing it. We'll let you know when we have something that will work.

....and should I change my avitar???....xoxoxoo

Please don't.

the only part of "porn" that is gone is the EZ. TittyBoard et al was just moved to a different locale.. there is still plenty of porn on the site in other areas.. but not a blatant porn area.

so keep your NSFW avatars and your NSFW threads (in reason of course) and we'll get back to everyone soon about the pictures policy that is being discussed.

hmmm. Maybe because it's been so ingrained since I've been a member (well, and before that, too)... but I just don't really like the idea of being able to post pics of kids here. *shrug*

Interesting. Anyone else think we should not change the rule?

I don't want to see kids on this board.

That's just asking for trouble.

Yeah, I'm sorry, but I don't think pictures of kids belong on the board, especially if we plan on continuing to have NSFW threads and avatars. They just don't go together.

Perhaps a compromise could be reached by allowing pictures of minors in the blogs?

I would not want to post pics of my kids on the board. Perhaps in my blog, but never on the board.

There is a lot of my "life" I cant share here and in the 6 years I've been there thats the one thing I've really disliked. I always have pics I'd like to post of our family adventures, and then cant, so no Im not against it if its done the way exhibition is, locked to outsiders and the way to see them is earned.

Are there any concerns apart from "getting in trouble?" (which I can assure you is not a realistic concern)

I don't have any particular concerns, really. I just don't think this is the place for posting pictures of my children. I cannot explain why, it's just a feeling. If other people want to do that, I am ok with that, I just don't want to post mine.

Whatever's posted or exchanged on the internet is free for the taking - not even watermarks or copyrights mean poop anymore (they can easily be removed.) Therefore the op needs to consider this when posting, whether it be here or some random blog somewhere.

There's a lot of innocent humor involving children. And I've been caught posting this sort of humor on numerous occasions here because I keep forgetting this odd rule lol. I'm sure I'm not the only one!

As long as there's no child porn posted, there would be no 'trouble' in allowing images of kids on here. The most I've encountered in my forum days was being contacted by a family's attorney to please remove the graphic images of their dead and mutilated daughter (this obviously was not a humorous image.) Removed out of respect aaaand..... done.

I think I would appreciate seeing photos of families/kids in perhaps personal albums and blogs, but not in threads. I think of those as separate, more private sections of the site.. maybe in threads in Members Playground?

If the kid pics are allowed I would like to see them limited to a specific area of the board. I have nothing against children and I'm sure that Little Bitzi is the cutest kid ever, but one of the things I always liked about TFP was the level of maturity and lack of exposure to baby-food faces. Nothing personal to anyone. I just don't want to see it here. But, it is a business decision so whatever is best.

I'm thinking that the posting of pictures of minors should be closely monitored. If a member wants to share shots of their own children or minor family members, that's one thing. But I wouldn't want to open a thread and see someone else posting photos of my kids, nieces or nephews, no matter how innocently, without my permission.

Images of minors should not be allowed for humor or nonsense threads, but if you've got a shot that's cute or funny that you'd like to share, we should provide a place for it.

We could start by allowing some posting in Members Playground, or in properly secured blogs, to gauge interest and activity levels. If posting volumes warrant it, open a dedicated subforum, free from the prying eyes of random googlers or unproven new members.

I see that a couple of others had similar thoughts posted while I was busy typing.

I see pros and cons...as usual. One of the problems that I have with it is that the kids have no say in what is being posted. Now, most people aren't going to post anything too embarassing, but you always have..."that guy". Even on Facebook I'm very selective over what pictures that I post. My second ammendment wanted me to post a picture of him with the first fish that he caught. I did. But, he did have a say in it.

If it is allowed, I agree with restricted access. I also agree that it probably should be kept seperate from the boards. The Blogs could well be a good compromise. I kind of like that idea. Or...even a seperate board where all NSFW is not permitted, including avatars. I don't know if avatars can be disabled for specific boards (that's why we have people smarter than me around here) but, if it can, that could also be an option.

Well I'm not going to start blogging just so I can post a funny gif of a baby falling down or something lol. I think you folks are more or less focusing on members posting images of their own kids. I have no kids. Just lots of funny / cute images of kids that I share on a whim. I think it'd be great if the rule could be lifted so if anything, we could laugh a little more.

I don't like pictures of people's kids. I don't like pictures period. I dislike baby pictures because I have to the whole "Oh, that's such a cute baby" crap when people show them to me. I don't why I have to congratulate someone on not pulling out. I am not anti-kids, nor am I pro-kids. I'm neutral til I help pop one out myself, then I'll be all LOOK AT THE FLESHLING I MADE!

That being said, unless we had a special thread for them in members, I wouldn't want them. I can see many different threads being posted about kids/family and clogging the board up. I am ok with pictures being posted in Blogs and Albums in blogs. I just don't want to see 10 posts about "Look how cute my podling is!!#@#!@@#@#!111" when I log in.

Unless you made a separate protected forum like Tilted Family. Same requirements of members board and TE.

Where would you draw the line, wooÐs? Some pretty hilarious (and dangerous) stuff involving adults gets posted. How far should we let that go with kids?

I doubt that TFP would become a McPlayground if we allowed kid pictures.

I mean, you don't see thousands of threads on people's pets, and a bunch of us have those.

Agreed 100%. And, that's not going to be an easy job. It will suck up a lot of staff resources. Are they up to the task? Do they even want the task?
You beat me to the post, but that was kind of what I was getting at, as well. And, I'm not sure that I care for the idea of posting pictures of someone who is, by definition of their age, forbidden from accessing the site on which the images are posted. Granted, I'm 46 years old, but that would piss me the hell off.
And...you also have that side of it, as well. These forums are rife with comments such as "Image removed due to child in picture". When I was a moderator I had to remove several myself. In fact, I'd once even accidently posted one. The image was appropriate to the discussion, but it had a child in the background.

Another facet is images of ourselves under the age of 18. Shanni has some picture of herself, when she was into Civil War Re-enacting, that she wanted to share with me. Because she was only 17 in those pictures, she could not. So, she e-mailed them to me. Trust me...you guys are missing out. They were, in a word, remarkable. She wanted to share them...it was her image, her choice...but she couldn't.
Maleficent wanted me to post images of my high school prom. I gave the "excuse" that I was under the age restrictions. I wasn't going to post it anyway because no one needs to see me in a powder blue tux, ruffled shirt and platform shoes. Again...my image...my choice.

It's not hard lol.
Child porn = immediate ban.

thank you BOR lol

I could totally go for just changing the rule to being allowed to post YOURSELF at under age 18 and leaving our children out of it.

Shani, I was just going to say something about that.. I'd love to see a "look at me when I was a goofy kid!" thread or something like that. I have a few very cherished photos of me and my pony from when I was about 9 years old.. but can't share them here. :(

Personally, I don't see a reason for changing the rule at this point. In the blogs or a dedicated, restricted forum, maybe...at most.

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the posting pictures of yourself idea, I would be ok with.

What's up with the mysterious negative connotation with kid pics here? You guys are acting like Chris Hansen is waiting around the corner. As long as you don't post pics of your kids having sex with donkeys or something I don't get the problem. I thought it was a stupid rule to begin with but I understand the reason it was done. It should be lifted.

I'm in the 'blogs or somewhere restricted' camp. I would love to share my pics, but I sure as hell don't want them out there for any stranger to beat off to, thank you.

I'm not sure how our kids' photos will help the evolution of TFP. Post links to your Facebook when you want to brag on the kids. Pictures of yourself as a minor? I've no objection, but who does the policework?

It would change the fiber and focus (whatever that might be :crazy:) of TFP and open a whole can of worms. How far do we want to go?

Do you really think that would be the case? (asked in a doubtful, skeptical tone)

Not totally sure. Don't you think that with more focus on family-oriented themes, the adult nature of the conversational threads would slowly change to subject matter dealing with kids? Not that we don't already cover those topics, but I think those topics might eventually prevail.

Or is that the nature of the evolution here at TFP? Maybe now that many of the originators of the site have children now, it's only natural that things move this way? I'm just thinking here. What do you think?

One of the reasons I've been a member here is because it's one place in the world where I'm not being forced to look at pictures of everybody's kids. I'm glad you think they're adorable; I'm happy for you being happy with them. And I wish them all well.

But speaking frankly, and meaning no disrespect - I really don't care if they had a birthday, made a goofy face, or graduated from pre-school . If those kinds of things interested me, I'd have had kids of my own. They don't; I didn't.

Now - if you want to make a special forum section for sharing that kind of stuff, by all means - I'm all for it. I'm sure I won't be missed if I don't visit.
In fact, go ahead and replace the EZ with it. I even promise not to complain about a section of the TFP I never visit. :rolleyes:

The best way I can think to explain it is this: TFP is my "grownup time." I love kids. I'm sure yours are adorable. Heck, I'm sure YOU were adorable... but. Grownup time.

I feel there's no reason to keep pointless rules. This certainly doesn't need a rule - communities tend to work these things out. The porn thing? Sure. Kiddie pics? I don't care for them. No reason to clutter the codex.

wheres pedobear/bear cub when you need him.

personally I vote "No"

not that this is a community driven democracy or anything. I vote anyway!

If I don't want to read about thoughts on town hall meetings, I don't click on the link devoted to that topic. If I don't want to look at or comment on a picture of a kid, presumably I wouldn't have to. In my adult life, I'm able to talk look at children, talk about children, AND talk about topics unrelated to children. Why would it be any different here?

My goal is to have as few rules as possible while maintaining the site's ability to foster good intellectual conversation and variety.

This is a very good way to explain it. :thumbsup:

I like my kid-free zone.

A prevailing sentiment seems to be: "I don't want to talk about kids or pictures of kids. I also want restrict the ability of others to talk about those topics as well."

I agree with Schwan's sentiment - why restrict something if you don't have to. If topics with pictures of kids are not popular, no one will comment and the community will sort itself out.

You wanna talk? How about this: I don't like kids and don't want to see them on the place I spend 3+ hours a day on.

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IMO, certain rules prevent the erosion of the board. Posting kids... okay... posting teenagers... okay... posting teenagers in scantily clad outfits...

See where I'm going with this? See how easy it is to avoid if the 18+ only rule is in place?

Everyone's deathly afraid of "slippery slopes" - its getting quite amusing.

If they give an inch here, we'll eventually be living in HELLLLLLL.

Crompsin - you could apply that logic to any rule. That's where the human factor (mods) comes in.

Like what? We talk about cars and someone gets into a car accident?

No-no, maybe we talk about guns and someone kills their spouse.

You're losing me here, bro. I'm not a genius.

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"Human factor" smells like an excuse to allow a free for all. 4Chan'd!

I'm fairly stupid and smell bad, so let's not bring personal traits into it ;p.

The gradation you proposed as an example - the scantily-clad teenager thing - can happen either with the no kids rule in place, or without it. It would just work the other way around. Imagine if the rule is in place and someone posts a barely dressed girl and says it's his sister. Someone will point out the no-kid rule, to which the poster can reply "She just turned 18!". How would you know? Either way, a mod is there to weed this out, just as they are doing it now (thus, the human factor thingm though I admit, it's all human factor in a sense, arghh, brain melt).

Edit for clarification

I dont like guns and I dont want to see anything about them on a place I spend at least 15 hours a day

No fucking shit. High five. What the hell is up with this thread??? People don't like kids SO WE'RE BANNING THEM FROM THE SITE?? are you guys fucking insane? This is the TFP, not the government from V for Vendetta. You don't like kids, don't click on the "here's my kids" thread. Good god. I don't like fake tits so I don't look at half the shit on the old TB.

Regardless of how cute you may believe them to be, I don't ever want to see another thread or avatar dedicated to your pets.

Should we have a rule against this as well?

Okay, so somebody explain why kids are banned again? Small words... for me. Why kids are banned right now? Just say it again for the crowd.

Wow, I need your job. And point taken.

Crompsin loves kitty.

People who post pictures of vaginas tend to attract more people who post pictures of vaginas. The moral margin between posting a mature vagina and a preteen vagina can be surprisingly small for some. You're dealing with a lot of vagina-posting loving people now! A strong rule has to be in place. The less mature vaginas, the less the probability of preteen vaginas. Strong rule need not apply anymore.

I take this conversation to mean:

We understand that the world is filled with divergent ideas from mine. We understand that the TFP attempts to be a microcosm of what the world could be if everyone was smarter. We understand that in this microcosm, divergent ideas still exist. We understand that because of convenient compartmentalization techniques knows as "forums" and "threads" we are able to avoid topics that we are not willing to be exposed to.

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That is actually totally flabbergastingly not true. The "reason" was because we wanted to avoid legal problems with kids and porn on the same site. It was a rule devised over 7 years ago when the internet was still relatively new and still finding out what it could and could not do. We are at a point now where we are pretty sure what we can get away with on the internet. This is why we are reconsidering it.

I stand corrected.

I'm all for everybody doing whatever they want. I don't know doodly about the legal responsibilities associated with running a site.

Above, Halx stated the "reason" and that seems solid enough for me. Let's keep pictures of rug rats away from pictures of bouncing tits.

My opinion stands as previous, but I'm not gonna cry about it when you all start posting pictures of your goofy grandkids in those Mickey Mouse ears.

I fucking hate children.

From what I'm reading, it would seem to be a no-brainer. Those that hate kids can just steer clear of a specific area or thread. Those who want to keep their kids separate don't have to post their kids. And if there are no legal ramifications for Halx, there's no problem.

I'm not ass kissing here, but this is his baby and so far he's done just fine. As a collective, we've always trusted his judgment, oui? Is he a visionary, maybe? ;) As for monitoring content (as far as underage porn goes), I don't think it falls solely on Admin. As members of the TFP community, it's our responsibility to report when we see something we know is wrong.

For my part, my objection is not pictures of kids on the site, per se. I love taking pictures of my daughter and I post them everywhere BUT here. If the rules were changed, I would most likely post pictures of her here.

Crompsin sort of hit on my reservations about the subject. And maybe it's not fair or wrong or hyperbolic, what have you, but I am seeing photos of 'hot' sixteen years olds posted and folks making comments at will with no 'rules' about underaged content. Fuck, a certain percentage of photographs on the titty board are of women who look to be underage, let's talk frankly. It's not really a trend I look towards with enthusiasm. Enough to uphold the longstanding rule against under-18 content? Yes.

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that said, I do trust the moderation of this board, and go along happily with whatever decision is made.

I could care less whether we can post kids on this site or not. The only things it would do for me is save me time coloring over kids in the background with MSPaint in some of my pictures, and it would allow me to post in the "Post Yourself Way Back When", or whatever, thread. No big deal.

meh. I can ignore the posts with everyone's offspring same as I can the ones with their cats they think are so special and unique.

That and I can't see the need to post a picture of my nieces or grandchildren on the forum where I read about fisting, ball shaving, sex toys, fetishes and tits.

While we're at it, can we have a forum to discuss our pets? Maybe call it Tilted Pets or something wacky like that?

For the record, anyone crossing my personal threshold of the definition of an innappropriate comment will get to have a long, drawn-out conversation with me about why they think they get to remain a member of this site. Assuming that I don't ban them outright and apologize to Halx later, regardless of who they are, how long they've been around and if they're a big donor or not. So that "wow, your 17 year-old daughter is HOT!" comment means that you're probably looking at a ban screen and having to email Halx to get it undone.

Just so you know.

And IF this happens, it's would be on a trial basis, and I'll get to be the Grumpy Gus that gets to delete all the pictures afterwards. So I'll be reading each and every one of those comments. And reacting accordingly.

Just so you know.

Hey, no grunting in the weight room.

cut

But Cyn's cat can do an infinite number of push ups :sad:

But in an attempt to contribute something, ah, worthwhile to this thread, a picture is worth a thousand words, and sometimes that picture is a toddler holding a beer can and flipping off the camera.

What Hath God Wrought....sorry I brought it up....xoxoxoo

I'd be up for it. I wouldn't look at the threads much, but I'd love to see you guys when you were goofy little boogers.

I feel like I know this forum, and I know that we're not Today's Parent or any of that BS. Slippery slope isn't really that slippery.

Think the joke will fall flat, so no more.

above joke aside, half of me is not really for progression if what stands works well enough, and the other half cares not if it what ensuing rule-laxation affects me slightly to none at all, which is what I forsee coming of this if instituted... so carry on.

Avatar changed because Manic doesn't like the sweet kitties. And no, this dudette is not my pet. She was trespassing. And no, I don't live on a farm or in a barnyard either. She is kind of cute, though.

hey!! don't knock the cute pet avatar. He has sharp claws!!

ot: I have nothing of significance to add to this conversation

ummm....if you don't like it, don't look at it....problem solved...

Think of it like this, you have a right to post yourself but not others. That way, exploitation of any sort is no one else's fault except yourself.

This is a non answer.

my response was to those that may not want kids in this place. this spot is Halx's...he can do what he wants....if we don't like it, don't click it....common sense to me....

Whatever.
I like the concept of posting our kids' pictures but I don't understand the parents' concerns.
I probably will understand when I'm a parent. Either way it won't affect my traffic to TFP, hell this board is almost a religion in terms of my web routine.

If something changes, I'm staying. If nothing changes, I'm staying.
LOVE TFP.

It used to say under his avatar that he eats children. I thought the ban on children's pictures was to curb his appetite.