fat people are ruining the world
 

fat people consume more food, so they put a greater demand on the food supply. to satiate the demands of Chief Rubbing Thighs and the rest of the tribe, animals aren't raised naturally, but in factories, resulting in less healthy meat for all and animal cruelty.

but the effects are more. with all the animals pent up in cells, close together, fed on shit cheap food to fatten them quick enough for sale, they are given antibiotics and other drugs which not only make them less healthy and less tasty, the concentrated waste from the animal factories flushed into the ecosystem causes things like huge fishkills (remember the massive fishkills in the carolinas years ago?) and just fuck up the environment.

fat people can't fit into small cars, so they need big gas guzzling behemoths to carry them around. more oil and gas needed, more drilling, more using up the resources, etc etc.

fat people have more health problems, causing higher insurance rates and higher health care costs, not to mention clogging up the health care system like they clog up their arteries, affecting us all.

you still think fat people are just jolly, innocent wonderful people?

The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, who put out materials to educate and help prevent child abductions, have compiled a profile of a person most likely to abduct newborns and infants from hospitals (i work in a hospital, we have to know these things). among common traits of child abductors in hospitals are overweight women. interestingly enough, about two weeks ago a nearby hospital in our area had an attempted child abduction from their pediatric ward. it was an overweight woman. go figure.

your thoughts?

ready........GO!

Bit harsh. Being overweight is bad enough on the self esteem withou being blame for harming the world.

I would say that Western capitalism is doing the harm.

People in some countries still starve and yet we die off from the diseases of plenty

Are you really arguing that if there were no fat people then 'industrial farming' would have never developed?

...Really?

My current weight: 155 lbs.

My diet so far today: Two slices of toast with peanut butter, two stalks of celery, some cauliflower and some broccoli (about a quarter cup each), one grilled cheese sandwich, three sausages on bread. I'll eat again around 9:00, but don't know what I'm making. I'll also likely snack on some fresh fruit either before or after dinner -- either an orange or some grapes, depending on what mood I'm in when I open the refrigerator door.

Being overweight doesn't necessarily mean eating more. Most athletes consume far more food than average due to increased energy demands, and are also more likely to injure themselves than a sedentary individual (thus require hospital care). I consume more than average when I'm feeling good simply because I'm reasonably active and have a naturally high metabolic rate to begin with, yet I've never in my life weighed over 165 lbs. It's a struggle for me to avoid being underweight.

I'm not a fan of obesity, and have openly stated multiple times that I can't comprehend how someone could ever allow themselves to get to the point of weighing in excess of 300 lbs. At the same time, I recognize that it's a personal choice, and in terms of social consciousness it's certainly not the most devastating one to be made.

Skinny people can carpool. Go out to the freeway and take a look at how many vehicles have single occupants. Take a look at how many are big SUV's or trucks.

If someone chooses to live an unhealthy lifestyle, that's their call. If they get fat as a consequence of it, it's no skin off my nose. I suppose one could argue that there are greater economic effects, but I'm not buying that it's a significant impact in the grand scheme of things. I may not understand the decisions that go into it, but if a person is truly happy with themselves as an overweight individual (or at least content to the point that they're not willing to make the necessary changes to correct the issue), then I don't see where it's my place to tell them any different.

It's easy to try to villify one group. Fat people/smokers/soccer moms/bald guys are ruining the world because of this, that or the other. The reality is never so simple, but people as a rule don't like complicated.

I used to be a fat person. I was 220 lbs. I considered myself fat.
I lost 94 pounds. My demands on the worlds resources didn't change.
Except maybe I demanded more oxygen then.
I still mostly eat the same way, monetarily, sometimes more expensively since I lost weight.
I'm not sure that my marshmallow, pasta, and bread consumption when I was very overweight was too taxing to the resources of the planet.
I was actually vegetarian during most of my overweight periods.
And had less visits to the doctor than I do now.
Maybe I'm an anomaly, but I'm going on my experience.

And what's funny is that in my town 95% of the drivers of SmartCars are morbidly obese. It's hilarious to see because it does kinda look like a clown car. But their carbon footprint in that respect is smaller than mine.

I'm trying to see your point here, squeeb, but I'm not sure that I do.

Obesity is a symptom of a broken consumer culture. There are impacts of that all up and down the line, including some laid out in the OP (thought not all of them... Fat people are kidnappers? Really??). But blaming fat people for that is like treating the AIDS patient for their pneumonia.

They are eating the babies!

There was a Dutch study that concluded that healthy people who live longer are more of a cost burden on the health care system. So would you let them eat their babies in peace if they promised not to sit next to you?

squeeeb, my respect for you just dropped.

I know, you couldn't care less.

/fat guy

I would say that there's a connection between obesity and the way food is produced in the U.S.
But I think you've got it backwards.

I agree slightly about health care - once all the smokers have died or quit, I'm sure obese people will be the next group to suffer legal persecution.
But if you really want to save the health care system, let's just kill everyone under the age of 12 - they're the ones who are always getting sick and infecting everyone else.
Let's criminalize childhood.

It's okay, the new surgeon general is like 200 pounds.

A true representation of the way the country is going.

Well squeeb...ya better just Nuke Ohio, cuz there's a lot of huge Fatsos here...Oh and by the way...take out Louisianna, too, while your at it... that's one of the fattest States in the Union. Just save California esp. in the richer trendy counties like Marin for example & Orange and the Hollywood hills and surrounding canyons - where it's "illegal to be more than 5 pounds" overweight!

By the looks of your post,
you are NOT gonna want Government Healthcare for Everyone.
Those Fatties are gonna be too expensive to cover, huh?!? Wow, how Hilter-like.

Oh great another dump on fat people thread.

Dude, I'm skinny as sin, and I can eat double what most of my overweight friends can.

You're really attacking these problems from the wrong angle, squeeeb. Getting rid of fatties won't fix any of them.

Besides, being as I LOVE chubby girls, fat people make my world a much better place...

Admiral Galson is 200 lbs.?

I was just shy of 195 lbs at my peak weight. I now weigh 145 at last measure. I eat more now than I did then, oddly enough. I consume about the same amount of meat; I've never been a big carnivore (though I do love a good steak). However, I DID start moving my ass.

I'll say more later--right now I have to ride my bike to tai chi.

looks like she could pass for 195...

hmmmm, that's it? one comparison to hitler? was i too obvious?

The obesity issue is a global one and it stems from, as ratbastid points out, a broken consumer culture.

There is definitely an issue here, I just think you are approaching it in the wrong way.

the point of this thread had nothing to do with obesity or overweight people.

Huh?!

The thread is titled, "fat people are ruining the world"...

That's a pretty harsh statement for something that has nothing to do with obesity or overweight people.

exactly

Squeeeb, is it fat people like poeple who are over 117lbs (me :)) or general greedy people? There are some hormonal disorders that can be accounted for at least 4% of obesity worldwide. Other than that, fat people don't consme more or less, they're just lazy and have bad eating habits.

Fat people like my boss, (she has to be 120lbs but she is digustingly fat on the inside) are the root of all evil.

Well, I may be missing something obvious here, but you've lost me, squeeeb-o...

Well squeeeb, my opinion of you has changed a little. I'm surprised how close minded you are on this subject. For one thing I can understand the health care subject but usually really obese people die before they go into the older years from heart disease. So in other words they die before they need assisted living and other money sucking programs that the elderly use.

Now when it comes to eating more I completely disagree. My little sister doesn't weight more then 130 pounds soaking wet and she can eat anyone out of house and home. Now me I don't have to eat much to gain weight. I have had three c-sections, two of which were in the last year so I am at the heaviest I have ever been. I am now close to 230 pounds. So I am one of those fatties you are talking about. Oh ya and I have a pretty tiny car. So now that I have debated all the issues at hand, what is the real issue you have with big peoplre? They are human just like you, just with more to love. Now come back with a better argument are keep your fat people issues to yourself.

I see what your original underlying intention was... weird to see that not one other person has picked up on it yet.

I'm just now left wondering which will next: if people start catching onto your 'tilted premise', you start to offer up better solutions to combat this onslaught of obesity you seem to stand against proliferating, or some kind of misconstrual will result and someone is left even further out of the loop, stuck in some kind of stratosphere of debating a discussion they still think exists, but doesn't really.

Maybe I didn't read that much into your rant at all, and I actually sympathize with a point or three within your conglomerative stance on fattys.

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Ah, it actually happened in the ten minutes and five replies in-between my message's receipt. Scenario #3 did, I mean.

Bravo.

interesting pickup:
(And a little discrepancy I've noticed about the "fat people eating more" thing; squeeeb expended an effort of one lonely sentence on this particular matter; it's very telling to see that a fair share of replies are seeking to engage this one matter of discussion, other than the plethora of other 'supposed sins' squeeeb pointed out that those who are "mass-index challenged" negatively affect in one way or another. Fat people, or just consumer-hungry oriented persons in general, do alot more and affect in a more widespread manner than the obvious "eating a ton/buying a farm's worth of supplies" generalization that is firstly/foremost attributed to such a group. It goes deeper, but I suppose scratching the surface is where we all must start.)

WHAT?? This all posted while I was typing my post, what the hell is going on? Why don't you just say what you mean then? :mad:

Does trolling have a "point"?

I figured you were up to shenanigans. Gawd I love saying that word.

Then please enlighten us. What is the point of this thread?

Basically:

To be a troll. :rolleyes:

Fark must be slow today.

i really cant see the justification for this thread. its like blaming gays for HIV and beastiality and finding prejudicial and popular social reasons for its validation.

lets pinpoint a certain demographic and lay into them shall we?

they eat more? maybe they eat the same, but exercise less. maybe they have a thyroid problem? maybe diabetes, HBP, disability...oh thats right, just kill them off and create the super-race...hitler once prescribed to this theory.

for someone who works in a hospital, i would have expected a little bit more from ths thread.

Hey, hey ,hey there. Just one minute. I may be fucking slow everyday for all you know.

(Plus I'd like to give the OP time for an explanation before I pull the plug on this thing.)

If it bleeds, Tully can kill it.

He can't put his mustache back in it's sheath until it's drawn blood.

Oh sweet Jesus no!! I was bleeding earlier today!!

Canadians are ruining the world!

Sometimes I wonder, squeeb, if you ever think your posts out beyond the initial idea that pops into your brain. They're interesting questions and they inspire a bit of conversation, but they're never developed more than "I was totally thinking about this and now I wrote it down."

It's the kind of conversation where everyone is sitting around after 5 or 6 drinks and they get in a fervor and shout back and forth and then it dies down once everyone realizes the sheer ridiculousness of taking any of it seriously. Then people start wondering if the person said it just to get a rise or maybe even as a joke. I suppose it's alright, but my personality tends to see it as a big waste of time - like someone said something controversial just to get a bunch of responses and laugh that people took it seriously.

squeeeb's already made it pretty clear this thread is meant to be a troll....

I don't think it's a troll but it sure is a dumb way to make a point.

I've got nothing mean to say about you squeeb.

Love ya, buddy.

I don't think he has.

And I think irony is lost on some of you guys.

What seems obvious to me is that Squeeb's posts along with the rest of this thread should be read as a critique of the manner in which this board and all of it's resident pricks are quick to jump down the throat of anyone who is foolish enough to make a point without having first corroborated it with an article published in a journal or a major publication.

As evidenced by my previous post, I don't care enough to agree or disagree but since you brought up irony, I will say that I find the timing of this thread strange when the cumulative IQ of this forum seems to have dropped lower than ever.

So, someone posting "You guys are a bunch of blithering idiots because I made a post with a hidden agenda and you didn't 'get it'" is not trolling? Interesting.

Oh, and on topic, fat people smell like cheeseburgers when they are burned at the steak.

so what is the point, again? "You guys are all assholes because you reply harshly to a harshly stated original post - better yet, a harshly stated unsubstantiated original post?"

You get out what you put in.

Best Freudian slip ever?

I demand a hug!

I will hug you Fremen.

I think the causes and effects are a bit off on this one. In any case, fat people are a symptom, not a cause. The consumer culture is fucked up, capitalism run wild, domestication run wild, population run wild. Society eats itself.

so basically, fat people can just say that "society made them fat"?

while fat people aren't ruining anything, I think all this crap about being comfortable with yourself when you're 300+ and you're a BBM or BBW is just plain stupid. You're a walking heart attack. People who are grossly obese or obese and complain about it an do nothing need to take culpability for their own weight and do something about it. (this excludes medical reasons naturally)

placing the blame on society or culture is doing nothing but harm. Nobody forced you to eat that Double Quarter Pounder with large fries and a huge soda.. only to top it off with an apple pie or an ice cream. nobody forced you to sit on the couch and consume massive amounts of calories before going to bed.

People need to quit thinking that some pill or shake is going to make them ok. it takes work to make yourself into a healthy and in shape person. it's ok to spend an hour off the couch .. really.. it is.

People love the blame game. Hell, after Columbine... the country was ready to blame Doom for the homicidal rampage of two bullied teenagers. A fucking video game featuring space demons was the scapegoat. America is great at responsibility hot potato. Especially parents and overweight individuals.

But... apparently this wasn't the point of the thread. And I'm not smart enough to get that far.

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You know what else is hard, Gucci? Being physically fit. It's really hard. People look at me funny. They tell me I'm "so thin."

Sometimes they throw Hostess products at me. My life is a nightmare of pants that fit and a low resting pulse rate.

In defense of fatties
 

Fat people are prone to a ton of health related problems. They require constant medical care and stay hospitalized for greater periods of time, thus creating a demand for medical professionals.

Fatties like to eat. A lot. Thus creating a demand for workers in the food service and agricultural professions.

Fatties also lead to lower crime rates. If 31% of Americans are obese, that means that only 69% of Americans have any chance of getting away from the police in a foot chase. Those 31% are easily caught and locked up the first time they commit a crime, thus lessing the chance of a long criminal career.

Fat people could save your life. Imagine you and your obese buddy are out for a (slow) walk in the woods. You round a bend and come face to face with a bear! You don't have to be able to outrun the bear, just your fat friend.

Fat girls provide a viable "last call" option. We've all spent nights at the pub, getting shot down left and right. If you happen to strike out with the hotties, you have a fall back plan with the notties. For the price of a supersized value meal, you get laid and they get a much needed self-esteem boost. Everyone wins!

Yes, yes, YES.

Good show.

Eat the damn twinkie.

I don't care about the meta aspects of this thread, largely because I don't particularly care for meta-discussion in general. There's something interesting to be found in discussion of personal responsibility vs. personal freedom and how it relates to the 'obesity epidemic,' but I'm still waiting to see how that goes.

As an aside, I always thought that calling obesity an epidemic was odd. It's not as though you've caught an airborne contagion that makes you fat.

I also feel that 'airborne contagion' leads into some sort of joke about Crompsin. I can't quite peg it, though.

Being physically fit is hard, in that it requires effort. It's a lot more work to eat healthy meals and exercise every day than it is to eat meals in a box and attempt to become part of the couch. The evidence clearly shows that not everyone is willing to make those kinds of commitments, and I don't see that it's my place to dictate someone else's priorities in life. This is why my sole objection to obesity comes in the form of the responsibility argument. If you don't like it, change it. If you can't be bothered to change it, learn to live with it and stop the bloody whining.

Yes, the beer belly is the final battleground of personal responsibility and personal freedom, but honestly it seems like shaky ground (like a bowl full of jelly?). I don't think anyone is talking about forcing people onto treadmills chained to a cartoon ball or suicide bombing a bacon factory. It's a matter of restraint.

Still, I'd like to delve into the overweight women stealing babies thing. What the fuck is up with that?

No, but it's also a half-solution to look at the individual abstracted from their context. Every one of us walks around with what we think are our own thoughts and feelings, the vast majority of which are instilled in us by our culture and our upbringing. We don't have a culture that values responsibility and restraint. We have a culture that values consumption and super-sizing. So, as true as it may be that obesity is a question of personal responsibility, just saying that isn't going to have one person lose one pound. You've got to tackle the context that gives rise to people's behavior.

And I'm including about myself here--I weigh more now than I've ever weighed in my life. Not by much, I'm within a pound or two of my previous all-time high, but still. And I'm not happy about it, and I have started taking action to deal with it. But I can guarantee you that making me feel bad about my gluttony is NOT a workable approach for me to win at a fitness regimen. What works is for me to start to inquire into what's behind the actions I take and the thoughts I have. When I really look, most of the time I realize that those originated outside myself somewhere. Have I adopted them as Truth and operated from them at the damage of my health? You bet. But not breaking those down leaves me like the guy standing on the bow of the Titanic yelling "Iceburg!". If you want to actually do something to make a difference, run to the bridge and turn the wheel, you know?

That's deep, and uncanny. I had a dream about this same "our thoughts and cumulative learning are not really our thoughts at all" last night, and was pondering if I would have forgotten about it, or somehow make a stand to enlighten this ethereal urge of mental crossfires unto others.

Or maybe there's too much rationalization... too much Dr. Phil mushy feelings shit.

Pick up your ass and go for a walk. The journey to a 32 inch waist starts with a single step.

I wish they made irony-flavored snack cakes. I would totally start eating those.

I'm gonna go get my broom.

while I can certainly agree that society does play a part as you listed, for me it's still up to the individual. If someone is truly comfortable being fat, then that's on them. I'm mainly pointing my response to people who complain about being a certain weight but they just sit on the couch and watch Biggest Loser thinking how easy it is, and they are consuming loads of calories and then continue to complain because they just "can't find anything that works."

People have lost their sense of self-worth and the ability to understand that things take time and dedication. These diet pills and fads only further our feeding of the complacency and instant gratification machine. Is this society's fault, or does it really boil down to personal responsibility. I don't care how many ads you throw at me for a certain type of food, if I don't want it because I'm in the middle of a training segment, I'm not going to eat it.

and Crompsin has a point... people rationalize with themselves to make themselves feel better because they are lazy. Sure you can call yourself a BBM or BBW, but how do you really feel? Are you sniping at girls because they "need to eat a sandwich" or are you just eating because you feel justified that you don't have to conform? It's not about conforming, it's about being responsible to yourself and your wallet and in the end your family.

It's not "society's" fault, it's just as Halx said:
...I mean:
Society is too big a brush to paint with. It's not all of society, it's consumerism, marketing and product development. It's chemically addictive foods made of the worst stuff a person can eat. It's subsidizing corn so that we can put a cheaper sugar in our sodas that convinces our brains that we're not full. It's combining chemicals made of god knows what in order to make our chips taste kinda like barbecue sauce, but without using expensive tomatoes or onions or garlic. It's about attacking our brains with insane advertisements every five minutes for carb-rich, empty-calorie beer or ice cream with 20x your daily allowance of fat. I've never even seen a commercial for an orange or a bell pepper. In my entire life.

On the other side, it's not like we tried to fight off the zombies, we allowed the zombies to attack us, bite us, and then we continued right along with them eating whatever flesh we could find. We never banded together in a mall that has a curious amount of chainsaws and guns to protect ourselves. Every time you are standing in the chip aisle thinking about what over processed piece of crap will momentarily satiate your impulse control problem, you're acquiescing.


But seriously, how serious is this overweight women snatching babies thing? Shouldn't we be protecting the newborns or something? What are the overweight women doing with the babies?

I still don't get this thread, but for all intents and purposes, I may as well be fat.
I sit at the computer a lot, I don't work out, the most exercise I do is a mile or two on my bike, to and from work, and sometimes I eat like a pig. Double Quarter pounder, double cheeseburger, large fries, large coke (which is like a liter), a second dinner a few hours later (sometimes), eat chips all the time, drink a lot, smoke a lot, and I'm generally a slob when it comes to a lot of things.
Yet, I'm 5'9 and about 137 lbs. I can count all my ribs, I'm disgusted by the way my body looks.
But it sounds like you're describing me, except for the rolls of blubber which I lack, when you talk about these "unhealthy" people.

I would like a better explanation of the OP, instead of squeeeb toying with us. I think we deserve a bit better. This guessing game is not my thing.

unhealthy != fat in some cases.

Fat people are harder to kidnap, easier to recognize on surveillance tapes, and less likely to be able to run from the cops, so they actually help cut down on crime.

But fat people should thank their lucky star crunches that there will always be enough normal folks out there to care enough to tell them how wrong they are. I, for one, think we should honor these caring souls by naming a playground after them.

I personally blame gravity. Damn Newton.

Has squeeeb come back to this thread to explain how it's not really about what it's about and how we're all dumber than a sack of doorknobs yet? I keep waiting for that.

Indeed. I'm 6' 1", 250lbs, and my cholesterol, heart enzyme levels, and BP are, according to the tests I had done about two months ago, very VERY good.

I have nothing to add to the OP but I would like to comment that if I ate that on average, I would balloon up to 275 pounds within a few months. And yes I work out every single day, and yes I do power walking/jogging 4-6 times per week for at least 30 minutes a session, yet I'm still 225 pounds at 5'10", the definition of a fat person.

Exactly. I eat the complete opposite -- high protein, low in carb, 1500-1800 calories per day, stay physically active, and I'm 225 pounds. If I did what you do I would be 300 pounds within 6 months.

I know it's off topic but it's important. Sometimes these dreaded fat people aren't the ones that drove themselves to fatitude -- sometimes people are just shit on when they're born with some really crappy genes.

It's a generalization of the description of the supposed perpetrators who are most inclined to snatch newborns, i.e. rotund, middle-aged housewifes (lonely or not).

In the instances of cases that are reported of missing children in or around hospitals, there usually is a vague description of "a suspicious-looking heavyset woman wandering around the scene"; this would not at all be uncommon, given that the most likely area of a hospital where a newborn were to be abducted would be the maternity ward. Lots of big-bellied women there, right? But it goes deeper in that the more highly-publicized cases of abduction are indeed perpetrated by mentally-unbalanced, unattractive, and yes, sloppy women in the range of late 20s-to-early-60s in terms of age. It would be just speculation on my part, but the supposed reasoning for the kidnapping is in most ways attributed to the woman's inability to produce a child of her own, or at least find a good man/keep a healthy partnership, so they endure some kind of "mental lapse" in which they seek to end their suffering by connecting with what they have yearned for for far too long, a tangible progeny. Some maintain a sensible and functioning level of sanity during and after the period leading up to the crime, but some do not. All that is being processed in their warped mindset path is to embrace a child that they could never have envisioned having in reality, and it crosses over blindly.

It's downright depressing, yet this malignment still needs to be broadcast and made aware. Again, this is just speculation, but I'm sure this did not just pop into my head all of a sudden, and it probably has some kind of medical/psychological-identifier, in the form of "maternal-snatching syndrome" or something. I'd check the archives on medical ailments, specifically those that are mental, but my books are sorely outdated, like from 1978... so this might be a new trend.

What-the-shit? How the hell do I weigh ~85 pounds less than you?! That's like an Olsen twin.

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But yeah, I concur with the insulation-intense does not always equal unhealthy.

Well, I have a big frame. My fighting weight is probably around 200 or 205.

I'm telling you... I want to set up some kind of TFP MMA event. I'll invite StrangeFamous and he can argue whether or not if me hitting him is part of a sport.

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OP: White people are ruining the world.

FTFY

I'll referee...

I'm a lover, not a fighter.

I'll participate in the MMA event so we can argue some more about whether it would suck more to be punched in the face by a guy who can bench 45 or a guy who can bench 225!!!!!!!

I would be honored to fight you. I think 225 was my max two years ago. Man, I'm slackin'.

I've never been in a fight before. You just flail around right?

Coward, lover...

Same thing.

I'm so in on the MMA tournament.

What's your dumbbell weight? How many pullups can you do? What are you squatting?

I want to know what I'm up against before I join in.

I like that we can have fun in a thread that's all about our inadequacies, whether they are being fat, or being too dumb to get this thread. Throw the dumb fatties in a cage match, see who comes out alive.

I never meant to imply fat = unhealthy.
It just seemed the OP's description of fat people were people with lard coming out of their ears, shuffling about while letting the couch take care of the gravity issue.
My contention was, I'm throwing some gross stuff down my mouth, way too much liquor on a all-too-regular basis, putting a blanket of disgusting smoke residue on my lungs and throat. Hell, some days I don't shower. Yet I'm underweight, but I'm probably one of the least healthy people I know. I ache, I don't sleep, I self medicate constantly, but fat has nothing to do with it.
I know plenty of overweight people who'll cook themselves a healthy meal, and walk to work everyday, and not eat nearly as much as me.

Fat people take enough crap, by being fat, everyday; they don't need all the wrongs of the world put on their back. They're carrying enough already.

@ the risk of being redundant:

I'm skinny & unhealthy. I might not spend enough on food to carry my own weight, but my compassion is way too heavy for my soul to bear though it feels like a froth. Eye candy is a lot less fattening.

about a decade ago, i weighed about 500 lbs.
i lost around 300 of them.

i take no particular sense of validation from having lost weight, and i don't imagine that what i did is representative of anything. i didn't set out to do it, i just changed by diet. i cut out processed foods entirely. i stopped eating what i had always eaten under the impression that it was healthy for me. i had fucked up information and made the best decisions i could based on that fucked up information.

so you cannot tell me there's no social dimension to this general problem of obesity, and you cannot tell me that a big part of it is the subordination of food production to the logic of capitalism, advanced capitalism in particular. to my mind, to not see that is to not see anything at all.


the way i see it, all this moralizing blah blah blah about weight is meaningless. less than that. it's nothing at all: just a kind of gas that gets expended.

but i remember how heavy people are treated because for a long time i was there. i remember. o yes i do.
sometimes i think that people are fucking stupid and nowhere is that more obvious than in cases that involve factors like weight, relative to which there's no particular social sanction for saying pretty much whatever.
but mostly i think that people get alot of stupid information and they work with the information they have and i there's an underlying problem it's the low quality of information. you'd think that wouldn't be a problem in a democratic system. but we don't live in one. look around.

and sometimes because i remember, i get offended by some of the results of what i persist in thinking are reasonable people who work with fucked up information and don't see that it is fucked up manage to say when they direct what they take for their attention to the question of other people's weight.

but i didnt get offended by this thread.
i didn't get offended because it's just that stupid.

it's hard to know where to start.
it's less hard to know that it's not worth the bother.

I'm in!

Your post is a gem.

[potshot] Is this some sort of attempt to equate the villainization of fat people (blaming them for all, or even some, of the ills of the world, and the subsequent efforts to 'eliminate' them) to the tactics used by Hitler in Nazi Germany against the Jews? [/potshot]

perhaps jetee understood because he read a few posts ago in my little blog thingy.

yeah, i was trolling. i was giving the people who get upset about every little goddamn thing something to really get upset about.

i wanted to see who would actually take those lame ass arguments seriously, because it tells something about a human.

some of you who i thought would know me a bit better didn't let me down. thanks.

Like that, based on the history you have here, we're willing to give you the benefit of the doubt when it appears that you're trolling, but may have a point that you're simply failing to express?

Squeeb, brother, don't do this to me.

See... all of my arguments are lame ass.

You're setting the bar too high for guys like me.

ok, didn't think of it that way, and for that i apologize.

i did figure, based off whatever history i have here, that if i said something as ludicrous as "fat people are ruining the world" it would be suspicious at best.

And I think that I don't anticipate such juvenile shit around these parts. If you post something like this I'm going to assume as said that you're simply expressing your opinion in a poor fashion; the alternative is to assume that you're playing some sophomoric game, and I expect better from you and all of our members.

Your second post made your intentions quite obvious. At that point I chose to ignore it. There's still the potential for an interesting discussion here, although my hopes of it coming out are fading fast.

So, basically, this frivolous thread wasn't for my personal amusement?

*wonders if someone has been listening to Three Day's Grace "Animal" on repeat*

I thought you'd already figured out that this whole forum is for your personal amusement.

Solipsist'd!

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Emo kids are ruining the world.

lol, I called you on the troll and got a PM not to call people on trolling.

so perhaps this post won't get deleted this time!

http://www.skynet.ie/~cheese/GsocStuff/ObviousTroll.jpg