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Dalai Lama Denied Visa
I found this article interesting today, perhaps others will be equally confused. Hopefully someone can shed more light on this situation.
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Is South Africa attempting to make a pro-China anti-Tibet political statement? Are they sending a message to their country that soccer should be more important than spirituality? Or do they not want a great spiritual leader to be present for a secret reason? ______________________________________________________________ I think that South Africa is concerned with its relations with China. They would rather deny the Dalai Lama's visa than potentially interrupt trade. I think their argument that the visit will somehow detract from next year's World Cup is weak and unsubstantiated. I do not see how it could detract from the World Cup to allow the Dalai Lama to be present at the prayer ceremony that is designed to promote the World Cup by brining soccer officials and spiritual leaders together from around the world. |
Well, it seems that the answer is written within the article itself.
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I saw the words you bolded within the article, but I found them vague.
Is China bullying countries into ignoring the Dalai Lama? Why do we allow their threats to be this powerful? |
Yes, the world cup is more important than the feelings of some religious leader.
You are comparing probably the greatest sporting event in the world to some self righteous preacher who is merely a representation of a struggle he has little practical impact on. And the world listens to China for one reason, their economic might. Why do you think half the world considers Fidel Castro to be an outlaw? |
His holiness the 14th Dalai Lama is always welcome in my house. So long as I don't have to call him his holiness the 14th Dalai Lama in conversation. Repeatedly. Do you think he'd mind "Mr. Gyatso"? Or "D.L."?
It's a shame that either soccer or a relationship with China takes priority over the words and presence of such an important world leader and representative of peace. It really demonstrates that South Africa has their priorities screwed up. |
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And, Strange Famous, who said anything about the Dalai Lama's feelings? He represents the occupied nation of Tibet - his country and his people that he has worked for tirelessly all of his life. What have you done? Get a grip. |
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* * * * * The actions of South Africa are deplorable, especially considering their political/cultural history. I really cannot believe this. |
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"Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I assure you, it's much more serious than that" - Bill Shankley
I dont think China dominating the agenda of the world is any more healthy than America dominating it, or Russia, or anyone else - but the fact is that money and power are the only things that have any baring in such matters. (and money and power usually go together) Blame the system, not not the oddball prejudices of one particular band of powerful capitalists. |
Then Bill Shankley is a moron IMHO.
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Mastercard is more lenient with the hippie types.
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I understand what you are saying about money and power, and that is the issue here, but I don't think you make it any easier by blaming some amorphous system that we cannot name, nor see, nor understand. Blaming "the system" is a cop out. This was merely the disturbing decision of a handful of politicians, organizers, and likely some corporate types. |
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Why are you castigating a good, dead man because Strange Famous quoted him out of context? You should be ashamed. You too Mixedmedia. |
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Oh for Pete's sake. The quote by Shankley (yes, a great coach) is supposed to be funny. As in "See? I take this game way too seriously. Hardy har har!" It was clearly hyperbole, and meant to be a simple but memorable way of saying that soccer is his life. If I were to call coach Shankley right now and ask him, I'm sure he'd say that a world leader speaking about a real chance for peace is much more important in the grand scheme of things than South African soccer.
I'm sure this isn't about soccer, it's about China. South Africa isn't stupid, it looks like China has a real shot at being the world power a bit down the road and they'd be antagonizing China by allowing his holiness the 14th Dalai Lama speak. Which is a shame, because I won't live in a world where the same China that is bullying Tibet is in charge. I'll be fighting them with everything I have. |
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I actually wrote to my Conservative MP and told her I would not be voting for her unless her increasingly paranoid government reverses the decision. |
At first I thought that this story may have some interesting backstory to it or something, but it sounds like China is just pressuring lesser developed nations (again).
I am so sick of China acting like... well... China I guess. *sigh* |
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It's kinda fucked up. |
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The US (and occasionally Australia) are the only nations who regularly give Israel a pass no matter how many Palestinians get mowed down. I'm interested in whether any nation actually has principles. Don't you see the oddness of the positions? |
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Dalai Lama: Special Olympics visit canceled - International Herald Tribune |
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I want the US to honor our treaties with Native Americans and give them what we promised, but that's only a start. And don't forget reparations for slavery. |
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I happen to like sports, in general. But people put too much value on sports and it's stars IMO. |
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I was going to say, he should've tried for a "Discover" card. It gives cash back, which is sort of like reincarnation. |
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And I think it's a bit disingenuous to approach someone who has stated their views on the Israeli/Palestinian conflict pretty flatly in no uncertain terms and imply that because the government that sits in Washington and votes very rarely in the interests of such persons that they 'love' the Israeli occupation of the Palestinian territories and the treatment of Native Americans. And don't worry yourself, America is only a major event or two away from 'loving' the Chinese occupation of Tibet, as well. You want to rub someone's nose in the sellout injustices perpetrated by the American government try an American who hasn't spent the greater part of their life witnessing it. I know your comment was addressed to Will so I don't speak for Will, just myself as one of those 'Israel loving' Americans of which you speak. |
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Where does a religion's concerns compare to our profit margin concerns?:eek::rolleyes:
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A great deal of Native Americans live in abject poverty because businesses don't want to set up shop on reservations and allotted land. Upper class is often in the $30,000 range on a reservation. Not to mention there are crime issues that stem from what seems like systemic alcohol abuse. They got a really, really crappy deal and it wouldn't take much to help. Imagine if we gave tax breaks to businesses on reservations. Or free utilities. Or tons of scholarships. We gave them gambling, which generally is connected to crime and substance abuse. Then, when a few casinos start to succeed, a ballot measure to tax the reservation mysteriously appears. |
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30 Days on an Indian Reservation |
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I'm ashamed. I saw it on the news last night and was very taken aback by their stance.
They're really making an ass of themselves. :no: |
i don't really have an iron in this fire, but i'll just point out that like it or not the dalai lama is always both a religious and political figure in a way that's basically different from, say, the pope. so even if you're inclined for whatever reason to see in the dalai lama the world's most fabulous human being, he still is a political figure directly tied to the politics surrounding tibet. so none of this stuff from china should be a surprise.
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I dunno, the Pope becomes very political when he decides to start talking about condoms or evolution. Admittedly, he wasn't chased out of Italy under the threat of execution under a fascist government, but he can be political in his own way none the less.
I could see the Pope not being invited to supper at the Dawkins household. |
I am not surprised in the least. But I'm not really bothered by it either. Like I said previously, I think it only serves to bring more attention to a situation that has pretty much been ignored by everyone but a subset of activist-minded people. Most people identify the Dalai Lama with his books. I've no doubt that the DL and his folks are hep to this fact, as well.
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In my opinion the Dalai Lama is pompous, banal, self righteous, and unhelpful to the situation beween China and Tibet.
I dont support silencing the guy - he should be encouraged to speak up as much as he likes and perhaps the West might start to realise he has nothing much to say. |
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Do you understand what you're saying? Do you even know anything about the Dalai Lama and Tibet? Do you want the Tibetans to give up who and what they are and just be Chinese? Do you wish to allow the destruction of Tibetan Buddhism and culture? |
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