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Plan9 02-25-2009 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by mixedmedia (Post 2600588)
No I think it far more complex than that. As our friend Roger Moore pointed out in Bowling For Columbine, Canadians own just as many guns (if not more) per capita than we do yet their rate of gun death is much, much lower. I don't like guns, I don't own guns, I'd be perfectly happy in a gunless world. But it's not the guns.

Omigod, stop seducing me.

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Roger Moore was James Bond. Michael Moore is the obese, fur-faced docu-dork. Just pointing it out because I often hate his guts.

Bowling for Columbine isn't exactly a pro-gun or scholarly source, though. It's got more lean than the tower at Pisa.

Baraka_Guru 02-25-2009 08:17 AM

There seems to be a disconnect between why we try adults as criminals and why we try children differently.

We don't try children as criminals because it is more productive to instead treat them as children in need of guidance, assistance, direction, and simply help. A child is not yet fully developed. Lawmakers and politicians have recognized this and have put juvenile systems and laws in place for that reason.

We have men's prisons and women's prisons. I think it should be obvious why we don't have children's prisons. Or are we suggesting we put prepubescents in adult prisons?

dksuddeth 02-25-2009 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Baraka_Guru (Post 2600689)
There seems to be a disconnect between why we try adults as criminals and why we try children differently.

We don't try children as criminals because it is more productive to instead treat them as children in need of guidance, assistance, direction, and simply help. A child is not yet fully developed. Lawmakers and politicians have recognized this and have put juvenile systems and laws in place for that reason.

We have men's prisons and women's prisons. I think it should be obvious why we don't have children's prisons. Or are we suggesting we put prepubescents in adult prisons?

FYI, we do have prisons for children. They are called juvenile detention centers.

Baraka_Guru 02-25-2009 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by dksuddeth (Post 2600691)
FYI, we do have prisons for children. They are called juvenile detention centers.

Point taken, but they're not quite the same thing.

Plan9 02-25-2009 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Baraka_Guru (Post 2600726)
Point taken, but they're not quite the same thing.

Because children aren't the same as adults.

Kids. "Age of Reason." Deep ethical stuff.

mixedmedia 02-25-2009 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Crompsin (Post 2600652)
Omigod, stop seducing me.

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Roger Moore was James Bond. Michael Moore is the obese, fur-faced docu-dork. Just pointing it out because I often hate his guts.

Bowling for Columbine isn't exactly a pro-gun or scholarly source, though. It's got more lean than the tower at Pisa.

lol, Roger Moore...sorry about that. good thing willravel isn't around.

and I don't mean to use Bowling for Columbine as a pro-gun source and I am not a pro-gun person. I only meant to use the statistics that he purported in the film...if they are incorrect then so be it

cdwonderful 02-26-2009 03:57 PM

an 11 year old being tried as an adult is lunacy.

stevie667 02-27-2009 04:53 AM

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Originally Posted by guccilvr (Post 2600166)
I didn't know the full extent of my actions at 11.. it's been proven over and over again that children just simply cannot comprehend the actions and the consequences that could follow. Thinking "I might get in trouble" simply doesn't cut the standard that an adult would follow. An adult plays through all the scenarios and understands what each one could bring before making an action..well some do.. ;)

an 11 year just lives in the moment.. he understands right from wrong, but doesn't necessarily understand the extent of the wrong or what will happen when that wrong is committed.

Ok, maybe i didn't know the consiquences of all my actions, but the big ones i did. Granted he probably won't understand the finer points of tax law, but it is pretty obvious that when you shoot someone, they die. As a younger kid i thought that was what always happened, you could shoot someone in the foot and immediatly they would keel over and die (damn the movies). If the kid went hunting he should know shooting things causes death, shooting things in the head especially.

His motives and reasoning may be somewhat screwed up, but to say he didn't know what would happen when he shot someone is naive. The fact he chose a gun over a rusty spork supports that.

As i said before, it's a messed up case, so i'll be happy to wait for a psychiatric report before fully committing either way.

Plan9 02-27-2009 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by stevie667 (Post 2601678)
As i said before, it's a messed up case, so i'll be happy to wait for a psychiatric report before fully committing either way.

Eh, I refuse to believe that an 11 year old can be held to the same legal standards as an adult. "Age of Reason" used to mean something. I'm not a legal expert but my inner pretend-genius-spider-sense is tingling and it detects some real icky poo.

I'm pro-abortion, babies-on-spikes and all, but that doesn't mean putting wee young'ns in jail for the rest of their lives. I, too, will be awaiting the "check-up-from-the-neck-up" on this trigger happy juvenile dumbass.

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Reminds me of that Misfits song... "Violent World."


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