Protesting the Mormons for Prop 8; Thanksgiving with your Mormon inlaws. Awkward? - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

Cynthetiq · 11-26-2008, 11:21 PM

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What Happens If You're on Gay Rights' 'Enemies List'
Saturday, Nov. 15, 2008
What Happens If You're on Gay Rights' 'Enemies List'
By Alison Stateman / Los Angeles

Adam Abernathy marches outside a Mormon temple to protest the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints for its support of Prop. 8, which bans gay marriage in California

Ever since a slim majority outlawed gay marriage in California, opponents have waged national protests and petitions, urging the judicial system to reconsider the results of the Nov. 4 referendum. (Proposition 8 overturned an earlier decision by the California Supreme Court that legalized same-sex marriage.) While the court weighs whether or not to get back into the fray, the civil unrest ignited by the ban shows no sign of abating. A national protest against Prop. 8 organized by JoinTheImpact.com is scheduled for today. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, which opponents say donated more than $20 million to the Yes on 8 campaign, has already become a focus of protests, with demonstrators gathered around Mormon temples not only in California but across the country.

The Mormon Church is not the only group being singled out for criticism. African Americans, 70% of whom voted yes on Prop. 8, according to a CNN exit poll, have become a target. According to eyewitness reports published on the Internet, racial epithets have been used against African Americans at protests in California — with some even directed at blacks who are fighting to repeal Prop. 8. Said Evan Wolfson, executive director of nonprofit group Freedom to Marry: "In any fight, there will be people who say things they shouldn't say, but that shouldn't divert attention from what the vast majority are saying against this, that it's a terrible injustice." (See the Top 10 ballot measures.)

In addition to the protests, gay rights activists have begun publishing lists online exposing individuals and organizations that have donated money in support of Prop. 8. On AntiGayBlacklist.com, individuals who gave money toward Prop. 8 are publicized, and readers are urged not to patronize their businesses or services. The list of donors was culled from data on ElectionTrack.com, which follows all contributions of $1,000 and more and all contributions of more than $100 given before Oct. 17. Dentists, accountants, veterinarians and the like who gave a few thousand dollars to the cause are listed alongside major donors like the Container Supply Company Inc. of Garden Grove, which gave $250,000. "Anyone who steps into a political fight aimed at taking away fundamental rights from fellow citizens opens themselves up to criticism," said Wolfson. "The First Amendment gives them the right of freedom of speech and to support political views, but people also have the right to criticize them."

Even before the passage of Prop. 8, the group Californians Against Hate compiled and published a "dishonor roll" of individuals (and their company affiliations) who gave $5,000 or more in support of the measure. Phone numbers and websites were added, along with commentary about some of the larger donors, all public information obtained through the California secretary of state's office. "My goal was to make it socially unacceptable to give huge amounts of money to take away the rights of one particular group, a minority group," says Fred Karger, a retired political consultant and founder of Californians Against Hate. "I wanted to make the public aware of who these people are and how much they're giving, and then they could make a decision as to whether or not they want to patronize their businesses."

The negative publicity is having an effect on both companies and individuals. Scott Eckern, artistic director of the California Musical Theatre in Sacramento, whose $1,000 donation was listed on ElectionTrack, chose to resign from his post this week to protect the theater from public criticism. Karger says a "soft boycott" his group had started against Bolthouse Farms — which gave $100,000 to Prop. 8 — was dropped after he reached a settlement with the company. Bolthouse Farms was to give an equal amount of money to gay rights political causes. The amount ultimately equaled $110,000.

Meanwhile, lists of donors to Prop. 8, once trumpeted on the Yes on 8 website, have been taken down to protect individuals from harassment. "It's really awful," says Frank Schubert, campaign manager for Yes on 8. "No matter what you think of Proposition 8, we ought to respect people's right to participate in the political process. It strikes me as quite ironic that a group of people who demand tolerance and who claim to be for civil rights are so willing to be intolerant and trample on other people's civil rights."

He protested and his photo got picked up by Associated Press and made all the papers and magazines. This gentleman in the photo is going to have Thanksgiving dinner tomorrow with his inlaws. His photo is real and very true. His partner is a gay Mormon, whose parents will be coming over for Thanksgiving dinner.

I spoke to him briefly today as he was preparing his menu. He is a bit nervous about the situation, it isn't that he hasn't met the others before, it's just this time it is after this kind of press.

Will it be awkward for you? Should it be? Why?

For me, I would not be in such a predicament because I don't wear my opinions on my sleeve like that. But in the essence of this discussion, if there was something that so moved me, I believe it would be awkward for me initially. Just until I could gauge their reaction and opinion. Acceptance or rejection, even just agree to disagree and never speak of it again.

skizziks · 11-27-2008, 06:01 AM

Why should it be awkward? If you are giong to protest in public, and you believe in something strong enough to do so, why would you feel wierd if someone you knew heard about it? What am i missing?

ratbastid · 11-27-2008, 06:08 AM

You can't protest in private, by definition.

filtherton · 11-27-2008, 08:53 AM

I imagine it would be more awkward for his Mormon boyfriend. Though if he's reconciled being gay and being Mormon, it probably isn't going to be that big of a deal.

Willravel · 11-27-2008, 08:57 AM

Honesty is the best policy.

skizziks · 11-28-2008, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by ratbastid

You can't protest in private, by definition.

Yeah, totally, you got me. I meant to say in public meaning not hiding your identity, like with a ski mask or bandanna or whatever. Protesting openly so everyone knows its you.

Lindy · 11-29-2008, 12:51 PM

Apparently Californians Against Hate believes that people should have the inalienable right to support whichever liberal social policies they choose.

Lindy

QuasiMondo · 11-29-2008, 03:43 PM

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The Mormon Church is not the only group being singled out for criticism. African Americans, 70% of whom voted yes on Prop. 8, according to a CNN exit poll, have become a target. According to eyewitness reports published on the Internet, racial epithets have been used against African Americans at protests in California — with some even directed at blacks who are fighting to repeal Prop. 8. Said Evan Wolfson, executive director of nonprofit group Freedom to Marry: "In any fight, there will be people who say things they shouldn't say, but that shouldn't divert attention from what the vast majority are saying against this, that it's a terrible injustice." (See the Top 10 ballot measures.)

If you're trying to convince a sizable portion of black people who voted yes on Prop 8 to change their minds, this certainly isn't the way to do it.

Strange Famous · 11-29-2008, 04:17 PM

The article quotes "civil unrest"... sounds like a huge exageration to me.

I expect people are very angry about it, but its not like they are rioting. Another example of the right wing media demonising the decent opinion of mankind?

genuinegirly · 11-29-2008, 11:20 PM

Interesting thread-starter.
Our local health food store is owned by an LDS family who supported Prop 8. When people learned of their position in support of prop 8, people began to boycott their store. I honestly don't think destroying someone's livelihood is the best way to win them over.

My extended family is LDS. Luckily my family does not discuss politics, ever. My husband's family does enjoy discussing politics. They are hard-core Catholic and strong supporters of traditional marriage. Luckily the topic did not come up.

11-29-2008, 04:17 PM	#9 (permalink)
Strange Famous follower of the child's crusade?	The article quotes "civil unrest"... sounds like a huge exageration to me. I expect people are very angry about it, but its not like they are rioting. Another example of the right wing media demonising the decent opinion of mankind? __________________ "Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate, for all things are plain in the sight of Heaven. For nothing hidden will not become manifest, and nothing covered will remain without being uncovered." The Gospel of Thomas

11-29-2008, 11:20 PM	#10 (permalink)
genuinegirly Eat your vegetables Super Moderator Location: Arabidopsis-ville	Interesting thread-starter. Our local health food store is owned by an LDS family who supported Prop 8. When people learned of their position in support of prop 8, people began to boycott their store. I honestly don't think destroying someone's livelihood is the best way to win them over. My extended family is LDS. Luckily my family does not discuss politics, ever. My husband's family does enjoy discussing politics. They are hard-core Catholic and strong supporters of traditional marriage. Luckily the topic did not come up. __________________ "Sometimes I have to remember that things are brought to me for a reason, either for my own lessons or for the benefit of others." Cynthetiq "violence is no more or less real than non-violence." roachboy

11-27-2008, 06:01 AM	#2 (permalink)
skizziks Insane Location: out west	Why should it be awkward? If you are giong to protest in public, and you believe in something strong enough to do so, why would you feel wierd if someone you knew heard about it? What am i missing?

11-27-2008, 06:08 AM	#3 (permalink)
ratbastid Darth Papa Location: Yonder	You can't protest in private, by definition.

11-27-2008, 08:53 AM	#4 (permalink)
filtherton Junkie Location: In the land of ice and snow.	I imagine it would be more awkward for his Mormon boyfriend. Though if he's reconciled being gay and being Mormon, it probably isn't going to be that big of a deal.

11-27-2008, 08:57 AM	#5 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	Honesty is the best policy.

11-29-2008, 12:51 PM	#7 (permalink)
Lindy Junkie	Apparently Californians Against Hate believes that people should have the inalienable right to support whichever liberal social policies they choose. Lindy