Batter up
 

So, I'm whipping up some good ol' Betty Crocker double-chocolate muffins right now, and ktsp comes in and tells me that I shouldn't be licking the spoon because of the raw eggs in the batter (salmonella). Well, I've been eating cake batter, cookie dough, and any other kind of raw-baked-material all my life, so I'm not about to stop now. :D Plus, he eats raw ground beef (kibbe nyeh, for dlish) as one of his favorite Lebanese dishes, so I think we're even.

How about you? Do you lick the spoon after making batter/dough? I scrape as much batter out from the bowl as I can... it's always been my favorite part of baking (especially from a boxed mix). :) Has anyone ever gotten sick from eating raw eggs as an ingredient? (Or raw anything, for that matter... ground beef, sushi, tartar, etc?)

well.. since I don't eat sweets I can't say I have. My wife, however does this. She's never been sick from it though.. maybe I should just freak her out and tell her she'll die or something.. ya know..to help her with her nutrition plan.. (we're both doing a routine currently)

sounds gross but i used to eat raw eggs when i was little. there wasv a technique involved using a toothpick so that you can suck it right out of the egg itself. looove cookie dough and cake batter.

hell yeah, the batter is better than the finished baked good!

Yes, all the time.

I have never known anyone to get sick from doing that.

Salmonella is really not a practical issue in commercial eggs anymore. Food scientists estimate that 1 egg in 20,000 is infected, so the average egg consumer can expect to encounter one contaminated egg every 84 years. And for most of us, the vast majority of our eggs are cooked, so that limits the risk even further. Those statistics are for America, can't really say about Iceland. Ireland recently declared their egg stock Salmonella-free. So, ha ha on that.

Of course, tell that to the 40,000 people who report cases of Salmonellosis every year, or the probably three times that who have "food poisoning" that they never report, or the 400 a year who die from it (although the members of that group are not very good listeners). That's from every source, not just from eggs.

Sources:
Egg Safety
Disease Listing: Salmonellosis General Information | CDC DFBMD

Hell yeah! It's hard to dole it out between myself and the girls and leave enough of whatever I'm baking. :p None of us have ever gotten sick.

Haven't eaten raw meat since I was a kid, but I will do a rare prime rib. And I love eggs over easy, which is barely cooked.

Why ya gotta be a hater? ;)

I don't worry about it. You're more likely to get salmonella from another source beyond raw eggs, like undercooked chicken tempura (my most memorable food poisoning experience). If you're really worried about it, pasteurized egg products are readily available.

I actually don't really worry about eating raw food if it's been properly handled. Handling is key.

Batter up? ROFL!

As I understand it, most (though not all) of the salmonella bacteria only live on the shell of the egg. Put the egg in boiling water for 5 seconds, and you've just reduced the likelihood of getting salmonella considerably.

It's nothing to worry about that I know of. Everyone I know of eats batter, and the only time we're told not to is because it's supposed to be cooked, not because of salmonella :).

Well, except for my grandparents xD

I think our friend ratbastid here.. should receive the "most likely to imitate" redlemon" award :D

I always figured if you are using fresh eggs bought from a decent source (grocery store, etc) then you should be fine. There will be cases but it is a balance of risk. You have a risk of getting sick from it but the taste is so very good! I do it all the time. You could use pastuerized egg product (the liquid kind that comes in a milk carton) which would get rid of the risk completely.

mmmm batter!!!! I think if you eat enough you are doing the world a favor By not turning on the oven and using electricity, youre eating green!!! Thats gotta be good for you!

she-lish has spoken.

you CAN get salmonella from raw eggs. its rare, but its not impossible. she says that salmonella dies upon heat. its all about the bacteria in there, especially in raw food that hasnt been stored properly.

apparently is the raw meats that have the most bacteria. Kibbe Nyeh is a good example. it not only is it prone to bacteria, but also tapeworms. this is especially important in the middle east!

i refuse to eat kibbe nyeh. yes its nice (raw minced meat with grated onion, wheat and a whole heap of other things i dont know). but i didnt eat it back in oz, so theres no way im eating it here!

give me kibbe balls anyday!

i used to lick the spoon when mum made cake though

Also, if you're concerned about Salmonella, don't handle any iguanas.

My tiramisu recipe uses raw eggs, no one has gotten salmonella yet from it. I've eaten about 20 pounds of various batter (cake, pancake, etc) and have yet to have salmonella. I'm thinking the chances are relatively slim, especially nowadays with stricter health codes and such.

As an aside, in Japan they eat raw chicken (Actually it's toasted on the outside, raw on the inside, but it's raw freakin chicken). After I got over the stigma of it, I realized it tasted good, and I didn't get salmonella.

How can you not lick some batter off the spoon? That's a crime against all that is good and decent

I would sleep on a cookie dough mattress given the opportunity, never mind licking the spoon.

I always lick the batter and have never been sick from it. The risk is quite low. There are loads of desserts that have raw eggs and people eat them all the time! Aaah chocolate mousse. I love the stuff. Also, in Portugal there are a ton of typical sweets with raw eggs in them, or egg cream. We like to live dangerously! :p

Sex on a cookie dough bed...yum!

Did someone say batters up?

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Wow, this thread took off like a cat on a hot tin roof... or something... :orly: We just got back from our 4 hour Eid celebration dinner, which is why I was baking the muffins... and truly, the batter DOES taste better than the finished product!!! I just love the texture of batter. Dough is even better. I'll even eat bread dough, pizza dough, anything of that texture... I love it.

So I am not going to stop my batter-eating ways, and ktsp is going to continue eating his kibbe nyeh (and yes dlish, I agree--I'll take kibbe balls ANY DAY, yum yum, but no thanks on the raw ground beef). I know that there is still a risk, but that's life. Most eggs in Iceland come pretty straight off the farm (and it's a small place, so there isn't much chance of them being more than a day or two old)... and hey, salmonella isn't always deadly, right? :p

But what's this about avoiding iguanas? Not that I've seen one in a few years, but I'm curious...

/pictures an iguana wandering around, covered in cake batter...

Actually, raw ground beef is a breeding ground for bacteria.

Let me explain:

on a steak, if you sear the meat, none of the meat inside has been in contact with external bacteria so it's safe to eat rare.

in a burger, for example, the steak was ground and what was inside is out and what was outside and in contact with bacteria is mixed in...and that is why badly cooked burgers are usually a good way to get food poisoning.

Oh, I know--sorry if I wasn't clear, that I WILL NOT eat kibbe nyeh (ktsp's beloved Lebanese dish)--but we had a good laugh earlier that while he gets on my case for licking the batter spoon clean (with raw eggs present), he doesn't seem to have a problem eating raw ground beef--which I see as being completely and totally revolting and unhealthy. So we had to agree to let the other person eat his/her own risky food, and let the other one be. :)

Yes, these are the very serious things we "argue" about, hehehe. :icare:

I love the batter... in fact, I have been known to make cookie dough and not bake the cookies. My wife, when pregnant, once had a craving for cookie dough ice cream. I went to the store and only found vanilla. I made some dough, let the ice cream soften a bit, inserted dough into the ice cream, back into the freezer and... viola. Cookie dough ice cream.

We have discussed the fact that salmonella could be a problem, especially when letting our kids lick the spoon, but the chances are remote enough... and batter is just so damn tasty.


As for eating ground beef... if you really want steak tartar or Kibbe Nyeh the safest way to do this is to either grind your own or have the butcher do it for you... Choose a good cut of beef and then mince. The biggest risk is using the commercially ground beef because you just don't know the conditions of the factory in which it was ground. A cut of beef (sirloin for example) is less likely to have been exposed to a poorly removed intestine (the usual source of bacteria) than the multitude of meats that end up in commercially ground beef.

I am a spoon-licker. I have passed this on to my daughter as well. Though if I were truly wanting to eat cookie dough more than just a taste I would simply skip the egg all-together.

One of my patients brought me a sample of kibbe nyeh once. I have to be honest, I just could not bring myself to try it. The thought repulses me to the point I am sure that I would wretch if it hit my tongue. He also explained to me that he had the butcher prepare the meat in a specific manner. I believe he said it was meat from the thigh of the animal. He also emphasized that in all of his years of eating it he had never gotten ill. I couldn't do it, I felt rather terrible for not giving it a try.

One of my favourite dishes is Carpaccio... one of the best dishes I've ever eaten was a beef carpaccio with black truffles. I still think about it eight years later.

One of my favorite and most memorable meals started with a traditional beef carpaccio. It was complete and total food nirvana.

Cookie dough..... I miss it.

Couldn't you microwave it for a few seconds to kill the bacteria, but not the taste?

I lick the spoon and bowl every time I make brownies, cookies, cakes, etc. The kids and I scoop out ready-to-bake Pillsbury cookie dough from the container. Most of it makes it on to the cookie tray.... most, but not all. :D We have never gotten sick from it.

LT - true.

what you will find is that steaks are much less prone to being contaminated because only the outside is exposed, whereas the inside is still sterile because it hasnt been exposed to the elements.

thats the problem with minced meat and burgers - the whole lot is minced, and would have a higher rate of contamination than a steak

im just wondering how Rocky ate all those raw eggs without getting sick as part of his regimen.



but i thought that Petter like battered butter better than dr pepper - sorry i was itching to say that

oh HELL yes.

They serve whale carpaccio in Iceland. Would you try it? :)

I am eating Ben & Jerry's Chocolate Chip Cookie Dough ice cream. I'm almost done it but I feel sick.

The thing with iguanas, from what a friend who has one says, is that their food sits in their stomachs for an ungodly amount of time before digestion, and that it's possible for salmonella to develop on their skin.

Pie dough tastes much better raw than baked.

Dough, oysters, smoked salmon, sushi, beef carpaccio, I like it RAW.

Oh god, I LOVE that stuff. But I doubt their cookie dough has egg in it. Did you check the ingredients?

mmmm, cookie dough. I used to make cookie dough and not cook it... so, so good. Raw pizza dough is good, too. And cake batter. Yum.

I've never gotten salmonella from these things. No, I got it from pecan pie that I bought from a store. Oh, that was not fun at all.

I'm so glad that I'm not the only one who likes to eat bread dough, pizza dough, pie dough, etc. The texture is just so good!!!
I'm actually curious... what was it like? How long did it last? How quickly did the symptoms begin, and when did you know that it was salmonella?

Well, I ate some pie, and went to bed. I'm exactly not sure how long it was, no longer than three, maybe four hours, I woke up and felt absolutely horrible. Fever and cramping, and shortly after awakening, I attempted to make a mad dash for the bathroom (I say attempted, because I couldn't move very quickly.)

From there, it was just...horrible. I had to keep a trashcan in front of me, and I couldn't leave the immediate vicinity. I ended up curling up on the bathmat between bouts. It lasted... hmmm... pretty much all day, although the severity lessened towards late afternoon/early evening.


My mom was the one who made the connection. I might have been thinking "food poisoning" in the back of my mind, but honestly, I was too miserable to do much analysis. The first thing she asked when she called (we lived in different states at the time) was "what was the last thing you ate?"

So, yeah... not good times at all. Pecan pie used to be my favorite, and I haven't touched it since.



But to get back to happy thoughts... cookie dough has never, ever made me sick. Yay cookie dough! :D