Olympic Controversy - Spanish Team in Offensive Photo
 

Wow, so I guess it was bound to happen. The Spanish Men's Basketball Team decided it would be fun to insult their Chinese hosts by taking a team photo with "Chinky eyes". What's even more shocking is the fact that they don't understand why this is insulting and don't think they did anything wrong. Really, this is pretty ridiculous and uncalled for. It's so American grade school I never thought liberal enlightened Europeans would stoop this low and resort to this type of debasement.

Spanish basketball team poses for offensive picture - Fourth-Place Medal - Olympics - Yahoo! Sports

The Chinese have been excellent hosts and very hospitable so far, even politely cheering the Japanese delegation. Booing is very rare. For them to boo the Spanish team speaks volumes.

Here's the offending photo:

Well, lots of people, Americans included, seem to like to believe that Europeans are much more "civilized" than Americans. Frankly, it's just not true. Americans are just more boisterous about our obnoxious habits and ways of being. There are just as many asshats in European countries (and at least triple the number, per capita, in France) :p

It was kinda dumb, but I don't have direct evidence there was ill intent. As such, I can only fault them for ignorance to racially inappropriate behavior.

The photo seems more like they are trying to concentrate on blowing up my mind, a la Charles Xavier, though that may be more to do with the resolution of it.

I tend not to be too involved with the underlying aspects of what some do to entertain themselves. Sure, they offended an entire nation of people off-handedly, but worse things could happen other than making yourselves out to be international douchenozzles by not thinking why this discriminatory gesture might've ticked some off.

Bad move, obviously, to insult the hand that "hosts", but at least they might learn to teach their athletes and population in general to be more aware of other cultures, and to act with dignity in order to be viewed as respectable competitors, instead of world-class jerks.

Sarcasm. I know man, I just felt like taking a swing at the Europeans cause we Americans always get so much shit for this type of thing. :p
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I agree with you, I don't think there was ill intent either. That's the nature of ignorance and institutionalized/indoctrinated racism/prejudice. Regardless, it was still abhorrent for them to do that. And yes, it was definitely dumb.

Another way to think about it is substitution: If they had mocked blacks by making monkey faces or Jews by making their noses big etc etc, no one would find this funny or tolerate it. Nor would they be making excuses for them either.

Just food for thought.

Oh, I don't think it's funny. Think of it this way: let's say you have a 4 year old who's never seen a black person before and gets freaked out when they see one. Am I comparing the social ability of these basketball players to 4 year olds? Yes.

It's a FACT that Asians eyes are not round. Am I the only one who is not bothered by this photo or who doesn't think it is offensive??

*I* could personally care less, but it's not on me what others find offensive. This is, I think, pretty well known to be a played out offense against Asian folk. *shrug*

Because you are not Asian I am guessing. The offense has very little to do with the actual eye shape of Asians and everything to do with the action. This behaviour/gesture is commonly used to mock, insult, and denigrate Asians in a very real way that often leads to violence. Of course you won't find it offensive because there is no context for you.

The fact that you don't know or realize this is indicative that we have long, long way to go.

It doesn't mean much to me either way. If the Chinese get upset, that is their right, just as it is the team's right to take the photo. And I guess they bood to show their displeasure.

What I do think is that we worry too much about this sort of thing. It won't change my life one way or the other.

So Nikki...you aren't the only one!!

I don't know - if the next Olympics are held in South Africa, and the Chinese team dressed up in blackface for a commercial, how would y'all feel about it? I doubt very seriously that the team intended to offend anyone. I can see how the Chinese would be offended, however.

Are there any asians in here who are offended or is it just we unaffected folk who are taking up the flag?

I think a lot of people are being very anal about this. I don't think it was done with the intent to be offensive. I think the fact that people pick up on it as offensive also speaks volumes about the long way they still have to go to stop jumping on each other because of "racism". We are different, that is a fact. Or are we going to pretend we all look the same? I think the Spanish were probably just happy about the China Olympics and made this playful gesture, not to offend, but to acknowledge. I honestly wouldn't read more into it...obviously this was over-analyzed later and here we are.

I do understand that the gesture may have been used to offend previously. Maybe they didn't stop to think about the centuries of history relating to that and how it could be construed. I do think they were foolish to think the Chinese would take it lightly. The Chinese take everything very seriously, because they are very defensive that way, about their heritage and culture. They definitely have an us against them attitude. So it was silly of the Spanish to do this...but I don't think they were racist.

I also find it inappropriate that several of the people who have responded to this thread have taken the opportunity to take jibes at Europeans, while condemning the Spanish attitude. I have no prejudice against Americans or any other nationality, or "race". Obviously you have a chip on your shoulder and that's a shame.

If more people stopped thinking of "racism" all the time maybe then we could actually all get along. I also think that *Nikki* has a point and was brave enough to speak her mind, in an unprejudiced, uncensored way. Everything is so ultra-PC these days it makes me gag.

They should never have mocked asians by pantomiming slanty eyes. The should have demonstrated poor driving skills instead.

I think it was in bad taste. But I don't get what the pre-occupation is with oriental eyes. So there's a fold of skin. Big deal, why do non-oriental people need to pick on that detail? The eyballs are just as spherical as anybody's.

I have a friend, a girl from Holland, who tries to compete with my wife (an oriental of Han descent) on the 'slantedness' of her eyes. She claims that because she is Dutch, she has slanted eyes. She claims that being Dutch gives her this attribute honestly, while my wife's eyes just 'appear' to be slanted because of the epicanthic fold.

My wife is just like, meh. whatever. She just objects to people using the gesture in a hurtful manner.

OK, it's obviously offensive - the people at the China-Spain game didn't like it, various Asians have commented on it in a negative fashion. Not sure what the debate is?

Spain is a little silly sometimes with race relations. They had problems last year with Lewis Hamilton (the half black British F1 driver) and racism. Spain has had more than a few issues with soccer and racist chants. They are not the worst offenders by any means (Eastern Europe is far, far worse) but their sports teams and fans aren't always the brightest bulbs when it comes to this sort of thing.

I used to get offended by this. But, now I just push my "slanty eyes" inward to make them look round and say "Hey, look! I'm a whitey."

I do get offended by shit like this though. No tickets/accidents after several years of driving, and I still have to hear this bullshit.

That's true, but no one's eyes are around. Two-dimensional vs. three-dimensional concerns aside (round is 2D, spherical is 3D), most people's eyes are more egg shaped than spherical.

And yea, I'm not really offended but I don't have slanty eyes. I don't know enough Asians to know if it's offensive, either.

I'm not offended by the photo. I'm offended by all the hullabaloo this has generated.

How would this gesture offend me? Well if they walked up to me and did the gesture and said, "Hey Chink!" I'd take some mild offense to the idea that they were trying to get a rise out of me. Otherwise, why is this a real concern?

I'm with tippler, if we acknowledge differences we have as human beings and stop carrying on the race/religion aspects, we'd be much better off. It seems to me that we're being force fed the idea we have to have some sort of instant offended button when it comes to race/religion. It's absurd.

Nope. Ditto. Once again, people LOVE to overreact. :shakehead:

Well I'd be mad! they did it wrong! Chinese you're supposed to pull your eye out and down a little! duh every 8 year old knows that!

no.. seriously.. Kinda immature for Olympians. I had to teach my little sisters a few days ago not to do that chinese/japanese thing because it was offensive and untrue

Exactly. This is about as offensive to me as an Arab team taping payot to their sideburns before a game in Israel. And I'm a Jew.

In fact, I'd probably LOL.

*waits for people to tell me how it's unfair to compare physical characteristics with religious ones*

nope... just wondering what payot is. Don't some First Peoples smoke that in religious ceremonies?

There's an Asian comedian that does this joke, and I was trying to find a picture of it.

Actually that'd be a bit worse. It's not like there is a holy war between China and Spain.

Spain: holy war free for *196,735* days.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...oung_hasid.jpg

Those long sideburns are payot.

You're thinking of peyote.

Yes, I don't think the Spanish intentionally intended to offend or be racist but nonetheless, their behavior was highly offensive and unacceptable. They've done similar things in the past where they made monkey noises at a visiting African team. However, they were puished for that one. Really, this is indefensible.

Yes. Why? Does it matter? I'm not black but I am offended at racist jibes at black folk too.

Wow, so funny that you don't find the Chinky eyes to be offensive but find the European comments to be offensive. What does this have to do with PC? Why does it make you gag? It makes me sad to see how you fail to see another segment of our population's humanity.

This is extremely offensive and inappropriate.

False. How is it overreacting? I don't I'm overreacting at all.

Please don't belittle the issue here.

Do tell why this is offensive to you if you are not of Asian descent.

And overreacting because of this:

Have the hosts commented on it?

Besides, why would somebody from People's Republic of KKKalifornia find anything offensive?

That's why I wrote it. But I have to give credit, the idea for the line came from a "Drawn Together" episode.

What the Spanish team did wasn't funny because they're dumb jocks.

When you offend, you have to do it with flava.

Believe it or not, I wasn't. If an Arab team was taping payot to their sideburns before a game in Israel, it would be decidedly worse than Spanish basketball players slanting their eyes.

I keep asking Asian or pac-islander friends about this, and not one of them has cared even a little. Many thought it was funny. I love defending people when I feel they're being mistreated, but I'm having trouble really getting worked up about this one because I feel like I'd be defending political correctness and not actual people.

So you wrote it to offend any onlooking Asians? The Spanish team probably weren't trying to offend anyone with that picture. You, however, are starting to cross the line.

As I said previously, I'm not offended by what they did. I think the Chinese (who were booing the Spain basketball team during their match against China) tend to be a little more uptight about these matters. The difference might be that they live in China, and they probably don't see anyone doing that. Your friends are most likely living around areas with less Asians and more Europeans/Americans/non-Asians, so they have seen things like this before.

Sure. It's offensive to me on two levels: One, as an Asian, the Chinky eyes was one of many tools used to put me down not only verbally but as the precursor for extreme violence. It was often the last thing I saw before being pummeled by others. It was usually accompanied by the "ching chong ching chong" taunt so loved by racist bullies everywhere. Additionally I do not see it as overreacting. I don't know what the Chinese (government) but I do know that they do not want anything to disrupt their Olympics and will sweep this under the rug. They will evaluate the situation critically and look at outcomes and consequences. I started this thread as an expression of my objection to this type of behavior and to share with others that this is not cool.

Two: I don't see it as a PC thing but rather as a respect thing. Regardless of your race, ethnicity, religion, affiliation etc, we should all strive to be more understanding and respectful of each other. Therefore, this behavior is unacceptable and offensive to me on that level and as a human being.

I get your point though. I hope you see mine
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Haha, ok, touche friend. What is "Drawn Together"?

Don't be so harsh on the Spanish team though. Apparently not all of them were ok with it (including Pau Gasol) and were goaded into doing it by the photographer. Jose Calderon on the other hand...

I see that this is tied with your negative personal experiences. Going by that, I can see why this would bother you.

What I don't understand is why it would bother non-Asians unless they were hardcore supporters of political correctness.

This photo is proof that the world needs a chill pill.

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What line and who drew it? You? Have you written letters of disgust to Margaret Cho for her mockery of Asian cultural ethos?

I grew up in the south, and I love things that mock southerners. I watch Squidbillies and think, "my God, they're in my hometown."

Congrats on your driving record. Mine solidly reflects the C I got in driver's ed.

OH, YOU'RE ASIAN. Dude, I didn't know. Still, you're the first of my Asian friends to find it offensive. But that's totally your right.

It's a cartoon show on Comedy Central, very offensive to pretty much everybody. It has superheroes including a Superman type who has lapses of self-confidence, a Pickachu who is based on Asian stereotypes, a blaxsploitation heroinne "Foxy", Wooldoor Sockbat who I have no idea what he is, a gay elf hero, a virginal princess, a boozy, disgusting elderly betty boop type, and a pig who acts like... well... a pig.

http://www.comedycentral.com/shows/d...st/index.jhtml

Haha, the secret's out (you make it sound like a disease :LOL:). No but seriously, I don't go around looking to be offended, just sharing my experience and trying to evolve. You have to look at context too. I grew up as the only Asian kid in my school until about grade 7. Racism was not uncommon. However, most of my Asian friends that grew up in major Asian areas like LA and the Bay area did not experience these types of things or at least not as often. It makes a difference.

Cool man, thanks for the link. I love this type of stuff (satire). For clarification, I tend to view satire differently than say for example the photo and such.

Well, this might make me a hypocrite, but I'm all for making fun of your own people group... just not anyone else's. Luckily, I'm half-white (European, even!) and half-Asian, so I can get away with a lot. :p

What this team did is just plain disappointing and rude. I am not personally offended by it, but I don't think it's funny, nor is it something that should be joked about in any capacity; if other people find it offensive (whether they are Asian or not), who am I to take that right away from them? I find it disappointing when these kinds of things happen, and even more disappointing if they go by unnoticed (e.g. without anyone "overreacting" to them). I'm afraid I have to disagree... because it's not just the Chinese who do this. Plenty of people groups take themselves quite seriously, to the point where you might say it's a universal human trait. I don't think it's fair to say that "all the Chinese are so defensive," when many groups (or even just individuals within those groups) would react in similar ways. Not that this is a very positive trait, but it's certainly understandable given the context and history.

But, in case it's not clear by now, I am the type of person who is quite fine with being PC, and I am much more comfortable erring on the side of being "ultra-PC" than with the possibility of offending others. As was discussed in another thread, I see it as being an issue of manners and respect. You can't go wrong by showing too much respect--if someone unearns the respect you've given them, then that's their mistake.

Sure, I drew it. What does it matter to you? You offended me by calling me and the rest of the Asians of the world bad drivers. What happened to the rest of the drivers in the world? Does no one else get in car accidents? Does no one else drive like an idiot? Why does a bad driver automatically constitute that the person is Asian (or a woman I guess)?

Congratulations on being able to "mock southerners". I can mock my own people too, but I try not to mock other cultures because much like jorgelito, I've been on the ass end of it and I know how it feels. There's a difference between insulting your own culture and insulting others.

You must have grown up in one of the inland valleys. I lived near Stockton for a bit and it was a lot different than San Jose. It also explains why you're a conservative. California is liberal by the majority, but there are defiantly conservative areas. When the revolution comes, those will be the battlegrounds....:expressionless:

I've also been on the ass end of it, so? Yeah, it sucks, but you move on. Doesn't stop me from mocking other cultures.

Not to hurt the person, mind you, but in jest.

And a little off topic, yes, there are plenty of idiot drivers out there. However, 70% of them in MY case are women.

Nope. I can't for the life of me find anything offensive about the picture. Although this is not the first time the Asian community has overreacted over trivial things people do. I agree with whoever said people tend to overreact.


I am offended that they are offended.

It was LoganSnake.

I know most of the time mocking to harm is not intentional (spelling?). I'm sure poppinjay didn't mean to harm either. But, sometimes it does (a good example is the Spain photo to China) and sometimes people do mean offense. That's why I try not to.

Yeah, I did make a big fuss out of this. That's my point. You might not mean to make offense, but that doesn't matter. Some people will take offense.

And, actually, I'm glad I've gone through what I have. Much like jorgelito, I got beat up and mocked all the time in middle/high school. The positive is it taught me how to fight. Now people don't fuck with me because they've seen what I've done to people that have.

Wow, very nicely written Abaya. I really have nothing to say except that I wish I had written this. Thank you for your thoughtful contribution.
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Actually I grew up in Boston (go figure). Doh! You went there! :eek:
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It's good to know that you are not intending to hurt anyone but just bear in mind this type of behavior often does. Not you perhaps, but this is very real and used to purposefully hurt others in a very real way. Yes, we move on, for sure I agree, and part of that moving on is expressing our displeasure and objection to things like this. Nothing wrong with that right?

:eek: :expressionless:

Yeah, I went there.

Beaner.

Ah, such a serious world we live in.

I'm gonna go against the grain here. I find it hilarious.

If the chinese team had a sense of humor, they would have made a picture of the team dancing around sombreros wearing flamenco shoes, or even darkened their own skin and pulled their own eyes into an exaggerated downward slanted look with a scoreboard behind them showing the chinese winning the game. Is this juvenile? Yes, absolutely. However if you show anger when someone pokes at you, you lose. Laugh and poke back, and everyone gets the joke. The chinese gov't has the collective sense of humor of a hornet's nest though (and I wonder of about some people here, come on folks) so this reaction of outrage is not surprising.

To me, this is why we don't get along, folks. It's not the ignorance, it's the reactions.
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:lol:

That's my wife's nickname.

Sums it up. Couple this with the fact that the media likes to make these things bigger than they are we will all have something to talk about for a day or two. Then we can move on to the next world "crisis".

What is wrong with people just being aware that this type of behavior is inappropriate and not acting that way?

I wonder the same thing. It seems most people in here blame us for being offended rather than condemning the behaviour itself.

Well, if you ask me (and actually, I just started a related thread about this)... one of the problems is that people don't want to feel guilty for being okay with this kind of behavior. So they make a joke out of it, or tell others to "lighten up," or condemn the person for being offended. I would say that it's a pretty strong component of human nature--I see it in myself all the time, when I feel guilty about something and get defensive, or start minimizing the other party's feelings--but that's getting pretty psychological here. I'll mention it in the other thread. :)

The way I see it, the less seriously we take our differences, the better we're doing. If we can joke about it and all laugh, we're doing it right.

It was an idiotic ad, though the ones truly responsible for it would have been whoever was running that photo shoot. I would have to say that the team was not the one being sold in the photo but the product. The manufacturers of the product have a lot more say in what is being represented in their advertisements then the team that was simply trying to cash in and pay expenses. I doubt it was their choice to pose in that manner. It doesn't make it more right.

All the Spanish players in the ad are confused about the controversy. Can't we all take a cue from them and be a little blissful about it?

As I said in a somewhat wordier fashion above, I agree. Learn to laugh at yourself, and laugh at juvenile humor. Quit suing for stupid crap, quit creating outrage over little school shit that can be laughed at, or better yet poke back in a similar fashion.

It's stupid, it's grade school humor, and it's FUNNY. I'm a honkey, he's got slanted eyes, the black guy has the biggest penis every time, and it usually backfires. Let's just laugh it off and have a beer, margarita, whatever.

You make a very good point, however I cannot really speak of how I would feel if I felt the joke were on me.

If they put on white powder, made their lips pinkish and started dancing very badly, what white person wouldn't laugh? A KKK member maybe. It's just funny, if you step back and acknowledge the silliness.

I agree 100% and I love this attitude. However, it doesn't occur in a vacuum nor does it occur overnight. It takes some time and process to get over and resolve previous wrongs. When there is parity then we will see things like this as no big deal. Just talking about it makes a big difference.
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Sure, but we're not quite there yet. It's a process. But we can still have our beer and margaritas eh?

Sure, it would be funny to us, but its an apples to oranges comparison given that the Chinese culture is far less free spirited than our own.

Would you walk into a business meeting with a Chinese corporate executive with your fingers pulling at your eyes? Would you sit down in a Chinese restaurant and make slanty eyes when you order?

No. Well, maybe if you were a huge prick.

There's a time and a place for everything, and even assholes like myself will acknowledge this. The prestige and location of the Olympics makes it neither the time nor the place for even "light hearted" racism.

As far as the Spanish players in the ad being "confused" about the controversy, that's a cover your ass position to take if I've ever seen one. A 4th grader could have come up with a better excuse.

Absolutely. Have blender, on mission. :D

You make a point. However coddling is not necessarily the way to answer a crying baby. This is just me, ok? I like to poke people until they get irritated, and then see if they can start acting a bit immature themselves. This is how I've been for years, ever since I got out of that stupid 18yo piss-and-vinegar stage. Sure I might get slapped, kicked or punched, but I know it might happen and I roll with it. I might even poke a little right after the strike. It helps to loosen up the rigid ones. Some emotion is better than none.

So in my mind, this is just one little poke to get the quiet kid to come out of his shell a little.

Only old people, asians, Marylanders, young people, middle aged people, folks on their cell phones, people with hair, those guys, those other guys, anybody on the road, and YOU, yes YOU, drive poorly, according to where I am and what lane I want to be in.

In other words, hell is other people. Get it. Accept it.

You seem smart, I appreciate your dialogue. We're at loggerheads. But you're teaching me a new level of acceptance. Thank you.

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Well said.

Well apparently sarcasm is lost here. My point is that everyone has areas that they consider important to them. What the Spanish players did was offensive. Is it a crime? No, being offensive is not a crime, it is just low-class. It was not light-hearted humor. What if Chinese team all came out wearing afros during their games with the US or African nations?

I would laugh my ass off.

Many people would probably overreact and a member of the black community would make a thread.

Yeah, when I was a kid I probably would have laughed as well. But now that I have grown and matured, I have no time for that.

Everybody has things that they consider important to them. For example, many mentally handicapped support groups are offended by the movie Tropic Thunder because of the repeated use of the word retard. I am sure that there are people on this board who have retards for relatives. My brother-in-law's sister has downs syndrome, and then she was hit by a truck as a child. She has lived in a group home her adult life. She cannot help the way she was made. However, this is an R-rated movie, so the situation is a little different. You have to expect that you may find something offensive in a movie. The basketball team is appearing in an ad for a Spanish company, and no one has pointed that out.

At any rate, logansnake, I am sure that you have your sacred cows, Maybe a little respect for other's viewpoints will be inyour future.

i'd probably make the thread... but im not a member of the black community.

i find the photo an offence being a non asian (although technically speaking lebanon is part of asia) that someone would be so insensitive and silly enough to not have common courtesy for your hosts, irrespective of your view on them.

maybe its because i have seen my friends, family, vilified and in some instances attacked because they happen to be arab or muslim. i've been called names, she-lish has been heckled in the street and on public transport and forced to get off the train for going about her business.

the only people who cannot see the racism in the teams actions probably havent been vilified against.

its a sad day for the world when we refuse see that all we ask for is a little respect

Ooooh, that hurt!

In any case, I have things that I would find offensive if they were being made fun of, sure. Physical disabilities, deformities and mutations. What the Spanish team did was funny. I see your point, really I do. But don't bellitle me for my opinion.

I wear the Star of David around my neck (as an accessory, not as a religious symbol). Let's just say I wouldn't even think of doing that in Ukraine for the fear of my physical well being. Let's leave it at that.

Do you remember the Fighting Whities? That was no less 'offensive' than this picture. Why weren't we offended? Because it was a joke and so is this.

If Tiger Woods had shown up to a major golf tournament made up to look like the stereotypical grumpy, old, white golf pro, I would have doubled over laughing.

When SNL has an asian skit, it's funny. When Dave Chappelle makes fun of either black stereotypes or white ones, it's funny.

People need to lighten up.

I do remember the Fightin Whities. The humor there, in my opinion, was the social satire of the use of Native American symbolism/cultural icons as school mascots. It was a tongue-in-cheek humor, which I thought was clever. I don't really see a socially-redeeming value to this image. How does it point out stereotypes or make any cultural statements? I do see that they were probably only making what was intended to be light-hearted joke - to be taken in the sense that Nikki alluded to earlier. However, I think it's a bit disingenuous to say that you can't see how people - Asian or otherwise - would be offended at it. I'm not about to take to the streets to protest it by any means; however, I think it probably wasn't the best idea. I think if you took the same concept and put an Asian team in the picture with them with little wigs cut out and pasted to their backs, you might have something that was more appropriate. If they showed some mutual skewering of national/ethnic stereotypes, then it might be a different story. However, this image to me, based on the little that I know about it, doesn't seem to make any statement making the racial stereotype seem absurd...but if anything, seems to playfully perpetuate the symbolism of the gesture.

All in all, I think it was a bad idea.
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+1. it just wasn´t a good idea.

Hey guys, remember the episode of Firefly where Inara goes to the ball with that rich dandy, and then Mal and Kaylee end up there too because they're trying to score a job, and then things get a little heated between Mal and the dandy, some insults are dropped about money changing hands and then BOOM! Mal decides to deck the guy? Remember how later, in a private moment with Mal, Inara sums up the very same conundrum we are all faced with here? "You'll lay a man out for implying I'm a whore, yet you keep calling me one to my face."

What was Mal's response? "I might not show respect to your job, but he didn't respect you. That's the difference."



...So what I'm hearing a bunch of you saying is that it would have been a way better episode if Mal had been all, "Haha, yeah! She is a whore! Let's get drinks, man." What an awesome idea! Nobody gets hurt (well, except Inara but she's just a woman) and everybody gets to play happy and not discuss uncomfortable topics! Seriously, I think you guys are on to something - somebody go tell Joss Whedon, STAT. :rolleyes:

I agree with Will on this one. Seems like it was intended to be harmless but of course they should have known better or at least questioned the implications of this campaign!

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3141/...41c2a8.jpg?v=0

What were we talking about again?

I guess someone had to do it. Had me laughing out of my seat.