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Tilted Cat Head
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Greenwashed! How to spot the travel industry's eco-lies
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I travel alot most hotels have this hang the towels, place the towels on the floor. etc. The person cleaning up doesn't give a crap. They want to do the least amount of work possible, does that mean taking off the towel and then folding it and replacing it? Hell no, it's taking the towel and replacing it with a freshly folded one. The only places I know that do abide by such standards are extended stay hotels where housekeeping only visits the room once in the middle of the week, and then again to turn over the room. I'd be interested in the feedback of others who travel frequently too. I'm not interested in paying MORE for my travel. I don't care if that means I'm tossing off more carbon than the next guy. The plane is flying there with or without me, so adding it to my carbon footprint is a bunch of horseshit as far as I'm concerned. Same goes for packages sent ground versus air. The only real fuel saver there is by boat, and I can tell you most people don't get things by boat anylonger. Boat takes WEEKS to get things delivered. Yet that's the most "green" transport there is pound for pound. Car rentals? I pay an extra premium to get a Prius? Hell no, that's just retarded. The only time I've paid for a premium rental vehicle was Las Vegas to rent a Z3 for 4 days. The amount of money I spend on a Prius as a premium rental I could buy several tank fulls of gasoline. The only saving grace for the "green collection" of Hertz is that they have some very good mileaged vehicles getting in excess of 24 MPG. But quite honestly depending on where I'm driving it may not make a difference. When we were in Chicago recently driving a Charger was nice, it didn't get great gas mileage and I had put about 100 miles on the vehicle over the course of the weekend. Quite different when going to Florida where I drove about 300 miles in a weekend from Tampa to North Port/Port Charlotte in a Jeep Liberty. That little SUV has a huge tank and it doesn't get great gas mileage. I would have been better off getting a smaller more economical car, but I don't drive very often so I like the idea of getting to drive various cars as the rental companies hand them out. My point is that I personally am not going to voluntarily pay more for a plane ticket because they want to buy carbon offsets. I'm not going to change airlines because I have loyalty to American Airlines (1 round trip Business Class NYC - Manila - New Dehli and have enough miles to do it again.) The only thing that I do agree with is being a locavore, or eating what's local to where you are. It makes sense and that's why I'm travelling to experiene what the far off place is like, not see tourist sites and eat the same food that's offered at home. For me keeping green, means keeping the most green in my pocket. Sometimes that means being the ecofriendly green because it means I'd spend more if I wasn't being ecofriendly and thus more green out of my pocket. Do you belive them? Do you care that they are? Are you loyal to the company or to the earth?
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I think being aware of the issues is important but that said, I am not about to pay for carbon offsets.
That said, I can see the benefit (even if it is neglegible) to reusing the towels. Using less water is always good. At home I use my towels for a few days before I wash them. I don't see why I shouldn't live by the same standard when abroad. Car rental issues? I can't see that the amount of driving I would do over the course of a trip would warrant the higher rental cost... and for me cost is everything.
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greenwashing is yet another space in which you have to read and look critically. it's not that all claims are entirely false; it's certainly not that all claims are entirely true. it's like corporate social responsibility audits and other such things more broadly--they're interesting, the raise important considerations and prompt the gathering of potentially important data, but there's little in the way of information that can tell you, sitting in a chair reading any such documentation, about what if any relation there is between them and what's happening on the ground. there just isn't.
it's obvious that many firms want to appear to be environmentally and socially responsible--but until this kind of information is integrated into information about cashflows, it's all to the side and so is as much or more p.r. as anything else. but does that mean that therefore the gathering of csr-related information is worthless? no. green tourism is kinda funny--it's the logical extension of the spectator relation to everything, which seems to me a very american relation to information generally. so you can go look at green projects and get there in your relatively low-impact rental car and think nice thoughts about carbon offsets. that one can be cynical about all of this is obvious: does the fact that one can be cynical mean that therefore the actions are worthless? i don't think so, and i don't think making that move goes at all past spectatorship--it's the same relation, except you stand the information you passively take in on it's head, using indices like price of a vacation to anchor it.
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I'm a very green person, travel a great deal and I don't think much of hotel claims. The main thing they are saving is money when they don't wash my towels and sheets. You rarely hear them bragging about much else that is green. they could be doing so many things like managin power use, the cleaning products they use - things like that. I feel most is bluff and marketing spin.
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European hotels use room card switches to make sure that when you leave the room, the least amount of electricity is used. I believe only the alarm clock stays powered. ![]()
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Getting it.
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Many hotels I have been in have the key card system that Cyn mentions and they don't tout the "greeness" of it. It save the hotel money and helps reduce power consumption over all.
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Greenwashing.... I like that word. It summarizes the whole BS movement.
The only green traveling is no traveling. Or perhaps a trip on a sail boat. We aren't going to save the planet by buying organic cotton and paying for offsets. We save the planet by not buying crap we don't need, cutting back on power and water uses, and increasing the use of energy sources like solar. Also, screw biofuels. They aren't as good as advertised and screw with food stocks. |
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A Storm Is Coming
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We just need to get away from combustable fuel.
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perhaps we need to look a bit further down the chain at transport itself. we are moving over large distances which will always require large volumes of energy in any form. i drive 15 km to work. i could ride but i´d need a lot longer than the 15 mins it takes to drive there. i flew roundabout from australia to iceland in 2 days. i could walk and take the boat but how long would that take? the boat would still require energy and i still need food for that time. to me it´s a simple extension of the concept of converting one form of energy to another and in the conversion you can never gain energy from nothing and there will always be waste.
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Cyn,
Despite spindles' point, I like the idea. A lot of times it's not a matter of WANTING to waste (though sometimes it is, in spindles' point... I've done similar things), a lot of times it's simply forgetting to turn off a light or this or that. @Kutulu- Perhaps there is no "green travel" unless we went back to sail-driven wooden ships to cross the ocean and such. But the flipside is, there are a lot of good reasons to travel, even if only for personal experience and growth. Sure, jet fuel sucks... but you can also do a lot to make it not AS bad... things like the card-power for hotels. Plus if more hotels used solar to supplement power and/or water heating...? I think renewable energy, primarily wind and solar (water has a lot of drawbacks) could really fix a LOT (like seriously huge amounts) of the damage we've already done. Step through it logically... less waste of energy created by burning. Less burning to create energy... those two things alone are huge. Use solar in conjuction with other methods for hybrid vehicles... tuck the solar panels along door frames and such where they aren't as obvious. Maybe it'll only net another 2-3 mpg... I'd take one in a heartbeat, ESPECIALLY with fuel prices so high. I fully plan to put solar in my home when I can afford to. I think it's important AND it's a long-term money saver. win-win? I've also been thinking about putting anti-leeching devices on all my power outlets. Even something simple like a switch next to the light switch that kills all outlets in a room. You leave the room.... "click" Little shit like that can be huge. My family recycles... but a lot do not. Recycling is easily as important an issue as fossil fuels. Everyone just needs to do a bigger part. Then we can all travel with a little more peace of mind.
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