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Anti-gay group pickets service of Reno soldier killed in Iraq, Gets owned.
http://tinyurl.com/2pfgmr
Associated Press - January 26, 2008 7:05 PM ET RENO (AP) - A small group of anti-gay protesters gathered today outside a funeral service for a Reno soldier killed in Iraq, but later became surrounded by more than 150*(supposedly over 220) counter-demonstrators. The anti-gay protest was the latest sponsored by the Westboro Baptist Church based in Topeka, Kansas, which claims God kills soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan to punish America for condoning homosexuality. Washoe County sheriff's Lieutenant Dean Spurr says there were no problems after three anti-gay protesters became surrounded by counter-demonstrators across the street from Saint Rose of Lima Catholic Church, where the service was held for Army Staff Sergeant Sean Gaul. The 29-year-old Gaul was among six soldiers who died January 9th in Sinsil, Iraq, after an improvised explosive device, commonly known as IED, detonated during combat operations. Counter-demonstrators showed up with American flags and made it difficult to see anti-gay protesters' signs that read "God Hates Fags" and "God Loves IE-Ds." The Westboro Baptist Church has sponsored similar protests across the country. Copyright 2008 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. Keep in mind that the soldier wasn't gay. Sources: http://www.krnv.com/Global/story.asp?S=7778931 http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/ar...2Fbreakingnews http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/ar...2Fbreakingnews |
Nice to see that the fascists can be counted on to protest the anti-gay movement...
How odd. |
And from there the counter-demonstrators went on to protest at the funeral of a black soldier.
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What next? A clown car pulls up and a group of clowns runs around distracting passers-by from the neo-Nazis?
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Doesn't ngdawg do this (the counter-demonstrating, I mean)?
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How sad we are not allowed to be honored even in death without someone taking advantage of their freedom of speech.
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Sooo... Where does the owned part come in to play?
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I'm lost...
Who was gay? |
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Here's members of the same club hanging out at a local Denny's http://www.iron-nation.org/DSC08042.JPG And here they are at a picnic: http://www.iron-nation.org/DSC06002.JPG They seem friendlier already. |
The Patriot Guard Riders do a lot of this stuff, too. They'll line up their bikes and drown out the protesters. They did this for my friend's family when her brother was killed in Iraq in 2005.
I'm a fan of these anti-protesters :) |
OK, my blood started boiling with those beginning comments.
We are NOT by any stretch, "counter-demonstrators". We do NOT just show up, we must be invited by the mourning family-NO EXCEPTIONS. Y'all need to read up on what you're commenting about before making such ignorant comments. I don't see any 'nazi' things...the Iron Cross is not a swastika. |
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I was hoping you would shed more light on this particular group since I know you're active in one that is similar. |
Patriot Guard is not 'similar' to what you're suggesting. It is not anti-protestor, anti-demonstrator, anti-anything. What it IS is support for the military and their families. We provide escort and honor flag lines when it's requested. We escort and welcome home returning soliders and escort and/or support sendoffs. ALL is by invitation ONLY. It is NOT a biker group, biker club or MC-many don't even own bikes, including a few of our State Captains. We work with the military quite frequently.
I have written numerous times and posted several videos I've made about the PGR- I strongly suggest that if anyone THINKS they know what they are, go to www.patriotguard.org and be enlightened., preferrably before calling those who protect the mourners of our nation's heroes "fascists". And if that's too much trouble, click here |
In case you missed it, note the Canadian I circled in the picture, he looks like one of the riders.
(I couldn't resist) |
That's a scary group, if you'll recall. I'm firewalled from most of the sites that will give you more info, but check 'em out.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westboro_Baptist_Church |
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REF: http://www.mwctoys.com/images/review_sp4_1.jpg |
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My bad. Ooops. Thanks for clarifying. |
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This isn't at all to say that i disagree with the counter protesting. |
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This is all just extrapolations based on my own experiences, of course. This is an excerpt from the Iron Nation website. It's a bit overwrought, but it gets the point across. Anyone wanting to read the whole thing can find the site with a quick google search (it's the first result) but I warn you; their site is like a clinic in bad website design. Quote:
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I don't find any irony in wearing the symbols of those douchebags. |
NVM
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Kind of off subject:
I have some friends who do the whole skin-head look (shaved head, swastikas, ss bolts, white laces, red braces, etc.) They're all hispanic and black. They do it out of spite and mockery. I don't see the point, but to each his own. On subject: I like these patriot guard folk. I'd never heard about them before this thread. I'm glad somebody's doing something about these ignorant bastards who protest funerals. And for the record, every biker I've ever met (Which is quite a few. My dad's a biker and i grew up around them.) has some kind of cause he works for. I've never understood the "bikers are horrible people" stereotype. They're stereotyped in my mind as people who pick a cause and fight hard for it. |
In case anyone missed it, the protesters (Westboro or otherwise) were not the Patriot Guard, which ngdawg is a part of. The Patriot Guard, while they do often ride motorcycles, is not a protest organization, and they only appear at the family's invitation. They also do not "surround" Westboro-type protesters. They create a wall between the family and the protesters.
The folks depicted in this story are not Patriot Guards, although they are doing something similar. The Iron Cross is not a Nazi symbol, and that may or may not be an SS symbol on the pictured protestor's hat. It is possible it is something entirely different, although I do agree that it does appear to be similar. Also, many who wear Nazi sybmols do so ironically - one needs to look no farther than the Sex Pistols and mid-70's punks in London who were the antithesis of Nazi's. Just thought I'd try to clear up some of the confusion in this thread since I'm one who contributed to it. Thanks for setting me straight in that PM, ng. |
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I'm passionate about my causes. I grow patchy facial hair and like the Delaware Destroyers. Am I a biker? ... Stereotypes are fun. |
I saw that brian bosworth movie, stone cold. I know what real bikers are like.
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As far as the Nazi symbols, does that mean that every college kid who wears a Red Star believes in the Maoist policies that lead to the deaths of hundreds of millions?
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... Good point, though. What about Stalin indirectly killing zillions of his own citizens? ... No, it's obviously an evil group popularity contest. Gotta admit, though... the Nazis were so evil that Indiana Jones had to kick their ass. |
I think that there's a difference between identifying with communist ideals and identifying with nazi military police, or at the very least fascist principles. Which is to say that it's difficult to look at the nazis and say, "well, they meant well with that whole master race thing, but they were just confused."
That isn't to say that you need to be any less misguided to wear a red star than an ss symbol. |
Yes, we concur... wearing the SS pin is more badderest than the trendy red star.
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Good on them. WBC are nutters and I'm glad these guys are there to help grieving families.
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nice video of WBC members fleeing for their lives:
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I consider phelps to be trolling real life. He only has power because people pay attention to him.
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Yes, I am one of them. I have sand in my bag, though. |
Ok, I'm lost here.
So who all thinks it's perfectly acceptable to protest at the graveside of fallen US soldiers? And who all thinks it's a measure of scum-baggary for anyone to do something like this? Just wondering - cause it's not really clear. If you think it's perfectly fine for Fred Phelps and his lot to come in and push/prod at the families of fallen US military, then by all means, say so! Don't hold back! Lend your support! But if you think that a fallen soldier deserves a decent and quiet burial, then say so as well! Don't be shy! |
Intense... I don't think a single person here has suggested that they support Phelps and his ilk.
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Crack... there is a difference between support Phelps right to protest and supporting what he is actually doing. One position supports the right to free speech and the other supports what he is saying...
What I was suggesting what that nobody in this thread has, so far, supported what he is actually saying. |
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I'm pretty sure I've said this before, but I've no problem with anything Fred Phelps does. One can simply ignore him if they don't want to hear what he has to say.
*Shrugs* It's not hard. |
The "Nomads" are Hell's Angels, and according to Wikipedia:
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Or maybe his name is "Smilin' Sammy" :lol: |
They should try and protest one of our fallen soldiers in Canada ,I can pretty much guarantee that one or more of them would end up dead, I'd be there to fuck them up, I was born in a military town and the one thing you don't fuck with is our boys after they made the ultimate sacrifice.
I remember 2 summers ago when the soldiers from Pet were in Afghanistan and the media was trying to get a local perspective, on al lthe boys that were dying, they weren't getting many interviews, one got to told to fuck off by me outside a convenience store. |
Whenever I see the word Anti-gay it makes me think of sad people.
ok..I'm done. |
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VIDEOS "God Hates Reno" WBC vs. angry Nevadan bikers, pt. 1 (First of 3 parts) There was some unwarranted shoving, but i think the patriot guard riders restrained themselves quite well given the emotions. Also, as for the free speech approach...this is why i hate these idiots: Anti-gay group promises Denison picket http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/ar...2Fbreakingnews |
This got me to thinking: was KISS a neo-Nazi band? And if so, did they hate themselves for being Jewish?
http://www.geocities.com/luisalberto_ca/kiss-logo.jpg |
Kiss is the devils music!!!
You're all going to hell |
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edit: didn't see that there were 3, but the shove seemed to be to get the PGR guy closer to the asshat, not to purposely knock him down. Ok maybe get him off the snowhill....sloppily handled by the Ride Captain. |
king of the hill was a good game...
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One bit of possible clarification on the "SS" symbol shown in the very first picture: that particular symbol has long been heavily associated with Marine Scout/Snipers (Get it? "S/S"). Though it's not officially sanctioned, it does appear on unit t-shirts and signs in the Scout/Sniper community and is pretty widely accepted. There's also the nickname "kopfjaeger", which complements the "teufelhunden" that all Marines are known by.
http://www.hardcharger.com/catalog/3...5B1%5D_New.jpg Not sayin' for sure that the old biker dude with the beard is a veteran Scout/Sniper, and I'm not sayin' that the newspaper editor was angling to get the most inflammatory photo included with the story. I'm just stickin' with what I know. Also, ngdawg: thank you very much. I know the Patriot Guard is always there and ready to do the right thing in the right way for the right reasons when helping a family remember the fallen. Big ups to you for being a part of that team. |
Alot of controversy in this thread. On the WHITE guys beanie "SS BOLTS" seem to stand out quite ovbiously. So i would think that yes it might be for show but yes it is wrong and very ill natured.
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Detroit Rock City! Classic movie. |
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The beauty of the PGR is that no-one is infringing on WBCs rights at all. |
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Because they are as inviolate as my own. I cannot infringe upon thier constitutional rights as an individual though, only if I was acting as an agent of the government.
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I got a good chuckle out of that one. |
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