This is the End (of Reason), my friends
 

Excuse me the melodramatic title that is just a tease. I didn’t want to create a new thread as I just wanted to explain me and excuse my lack of response to Willravel and anyone else that may have been interested in the discussion. I asked to include a couple of lines expressing that in the other thread (last “Reason is Overvalued…” thread), but I have only received silence as answer (and is me who is depicted as impolite).

It looks like our never well appreciated moderators didn’t see (sigh) “anything to discuss” in my posts so they insist in sanctioning that ominous asseveration by shutting down any incipient discussion. I have to recognize that their logic is as rounded and rotund as Pope’s infallibility. No point then in posting an answer to WIllravel or anyone here as we will not be able to continue the discussion as this thread will be eventually closed because roundedly it will not contains anything to discuss (they are fervent followers of San Anselmo arguments too).

Also I am indicted of “veiled insulting”, a felony very popular in the Middle East. Curiously I was the one actually being insulted as you will not find any aggression in my posts. Unless, I suppose, they have very dirty minds and they are imaging such things in the censored parts. Now seriously (not really) I don’t find offensive to delineate the inanity of other’s arguments, but on the contrary quite proper to a discussion and also utterly entertaining. Unnecessary tiptoeing and empty mutual flattering just dilutes the conversation into pure ego massaging. I much prefer roughness and biting to the point, at least in (but not confined to) argumentative matters. What amazes me is the hypocrisy that censures verbal fierceness but bestows in its crib a section like this: http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthread.php?t=116650. That should appear normal for USA populace conditioned to such oxymorons as liberating by bombing but used to obtuse censorship all around like bleeping harmless language (BTW, that’s an endemic “logic” sample quite appropriated for the topic on debate). Bullets are ok but their mind is too fragile for some and such discussions. Actually, words are very dangerous.

Anyhow I just suppose that my irreverence is too much for their holiness the motherators. I will avoid posting here the private messages to that respect as I don’t want to embarrass too much anybody.

I will conclude with an opinion in the form of a parable. It is about certain logics and also a kiss good bye. I love you more.

Rational Man wakes up each morning with a fright. After breakfast he smiles, kisses its wife and children and goes to work. He is a free spirit, he makes its own rules, not like that blind people that follow the traditional rules. Anyway, after methodically polishing his boss’ ass he can go home and be really free. Then it smiles to his kin and like any other family man makes love to his wife and daughters, Lisa and Christina, a couple of just beautiful and tender little peachy pussies. He does not fuck his young boy because, although at some point it has crossed his mind and that would be so hip and unconventional, that would appear just too gay for him. Then at night just before going to bed he spits to the sky and his saliva collects little by little under his window, solidifying and building up a big shining white tower of pretexts. His wife thinks that it gives luster to their backyard. He does not know but tomorrow he will be dead. However the tower will continue growing and someone will still be fucking his wife and daughters and, since progress never stops, maybe his boy too.

I know that you are not Rational Man, but you are not different from him.

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If someone is interested about the discussion I will hang around in the other philosophy forums.

Now you can proceed to close, gag, blind, fuck or carefully cuddle this thread.

Enjoy.

I tried to read this, even after reading the last "thread" Ergo started, and my response is the same. I feel like I'm reading something translated from French to Japanese and then to English.
If you want to start a discussion, that would be great... this post was certainly wordy enough. I just don't see anything that would foster discussion or conversation; no questions, no statements that would develop any discussion of any points at all except to beg the question "What the hell are you on about?"

You obviously don't seem to understand that we are a discussion forum and have standards to adhere to in our discussion oriented forums.

You may have noticed it's not just the moderators that have taken the time to let you know that we like to spur discussion here, but also our community members.

Thank you for your time.

And, once again I tell you that you're misinterpreting the functions of logic. Logic is used to determine whether a sentence is consistent or inconsistent, logical or illogical. It doesn't-- And it's not-- Supposed to make any kind of assumption regarding the argument itself beyond that. That's what philosophy is for.

Seriously.

I feel the use of another .jpg would be unnecessary on my part.

Infinite_Loser (sic),

So if you are right philosophy is supposed to use something aside of logic for its work? You can tell that to almost all the philosophers before the XIX century, and 95% of those who lived afterwards. Hey, psst, Kant, Descartes, Wittgenstein you have no idea, so say Infinite_Loser.

But wait a moment, stop here, WTF are you discussing? Don’t you know that THERE IS NOT DISCUSSION? These words do not exist (at least they are impossible to read for them).

Ustwo,

I knew you can do it. Congratulations on your first words. Carry on baby.

Six posts and you're already swinging for the mods. You'd have to call that precocious, at least.

Friend: I don't know you. You don't know me. But I've been here a while, and you haven't. The structures and policies and practices of this board WORK. You can discuss anything you want to discuss, provided you follow those policies. It's not a question of the content or ideas of your posts. It's a question of your attitude.

My prediction: You and TFP will part ways and you'll go blithely on your way, taking solace in how right you are about how the TFP moderators.

Ratbastid,

Hey, you keep changing the theme (ironically quite an illogical stance). They said it was that there was no discussion and now it is my "attitude"?

My attitude is well, thank you, how about yours?

So this is like a preschool courtyard were everyone has to compose themselves and have the right attitude? I guess that is why our Motherators are such a devoted caretakers...

So what is the problem with my attitude? Come on, I have noted that you fancy it, I saw you looking down to my attitude just a minute ago...

And, in this context, it is quite easy to do such predictions, Nostradamus.

Cheers

Are you kind-of, sort-of quoting Jim Morrison, dude? That shit won't do.

You seem to be attempting to ingratiate yourself with a place in the unspoken TFP hierarchy that is traditionally earned.

In other words, you can't be an asshole until you are our asshole...to put it...in a way.

I realize that this is probably not a negotiable predicament, yet there it is.

Too bad.

Yes, because, that's exactly what I'm saying. :rolleyes:

No, I'm merely telling you that the function of logic isn't to answer universal questions. It's purpose is to provide a systematic method of which you can use to evaluate arguments. Really. If you can't understand that, then you just don't want to understand.

I can do it, watch.

Logic is a fore letter word.

I don't understand the thread, however I am disappointed after the teasing title.
Ergo, either it's my lack of intelligence or your lack of effort to express yourself in understandable ways, or something along the middle, but I think if you want discussion (which I assume you do, because a forum is a place for that) you should aim for more people to understand you, or at least what you're trying to say.
For the sake of comprehension, and ultimately, discussion, your OP should be focused on what you want to discuss.

Enough.

Please let this tread die without being closed.

Part of the process of discussion is dictated by communication. When one attempts to communicate in a fashion which is not understood by the opposite part of the alleged discussion... one is not communicating.

(your universal translator isn't working very well)

The thread's closed...?

Edit: Guess not :orly:

Ergo, is there something wrong with you? Or are you just trying to act smarter then you really are? Which, by the way, is really annoying.

I kept expecting the "rational man" part to end with, "THE ARISTOCRATS!!!!"

Ergo,
As for the other thread, i thought that they just asked you to make it more discussion worthy which, for someone who seems to think very highly of their reasoning capabilities, you should have had no problem doing.

Will someone just shut this guy up?

I'm beginning to think this is performance art. I can't wait to see what he does with my post. :) Man, it's going to be so metafictional.

Indeed. I hate to be so grossly literal but: ban the troll, and let's get on with our lives.

Its not often we all get to do a collective WTF.

This poster has brought us all together in ways we never expected.

He's our electric Jesus.

Werd, Ustwo. Group hug, TFP! Group hug!

I imagine some sort of Big Brother figure shouting this guy's posts into a loud speaker across some sort of dystopian society, a la Children of Men/V for Vendetta/Half-Life 2

It's actually quite amusing and awesome if you take it in that context :) I can totally see John Hurt shouting this in my face from a gigantic theater screen.

yeah, he's more like my electric Marshall Applewhite...

I was picturing more of an upper-crust figure saying this while seated in an Italian leather chair in his mahogany-laden private library. This, told to a detective who has uncovered the deception (and underlying insanity) of said figure.

I was picturing Anthony Hopkins reciting this in my face from a gigantic theatre screen.

Name one person on this whole forum who isn't a know it all, myself included. I dare you.

I read the OP twice (one and then again with the context of the parable), and I have to say I find the direction to be somewhat difficult to sense. I think I understood the previous thread, in dealing with the misuse of the term rational by irrational people and how the term and even the idea is losing or has possibly even lost it's meaning (though the sperm thing was still out of left field).

This thread started as a tirade, but the parable threw me quite a bit. By my guess it's about something a lot of people go through: the realization of the natures of being human. Some of those basic human behaviors and perceptions could be positive, and yes some are very destructive. One such example is molestation (father being sexual with daughters), and another being sheep to media and ignorant elements of society (being homophobic).

I hope you realize that destructive behavior of that depraved magnitude is exceedingly rare. Not as rare as we want it to be, fo course, but rare none the less. If you're coming from a place of generalities, then maybe taking this in stages, statistics and psychology followed by what can be done. It's action, after all that, can prevent that which clearly sickens you. If, however, this is coming from a more personal place, perhaps of personal experience, an online forum may not be the right venue.

Good point.

Word of the day - Succinct

You know, we have a guy at work who tries *really* hard to appear intelligent, philosophical, wordy, and above everyone. Funny thing is, everyone thinks he's an idiot.

Occam's razor anyone?

I'd like it if people posed their arguments in more easily digestible formats. I'm a smart cookie, but I don't have the patience to wade through that OP. I guess that's what's holding me back from being a successful person.

This guy is getting approximately 1000% more shit than he deserves. Ok so he types in an extremely descriptive yet ambiguous manner -- is that a reason to lash out? Is not understanding his posts worth lashing out over? I'd rather read what he has to say than read the other bucket loads of bullshit on the Internet.

I actually find reading his posts entertaining if not educational. Not because of what he has to say, but because how he says it. Most people on the Internet type and communicate with a particular style. I've never seen a style like this...dare I say it's refreshing?

A small amount of people in these threads have actually responded to what he has to say; the rest have simply said "I don't get it" even though if you read his words 5 times through it does eventually make sense. On top of saying I Don't Get It, members have actually said Get The Fuck Out because we don't understand you. This is the TFP right?

I'm not entirely sure why, but I look forward to Ergo's responses. It's like reading poetry in college. I don't get it but it sure does flow nicely.

I think you're very successful person. Married. Huge penis...


I'm sure there is more... but I can't think of anything right now.

QFT. I'm very surprised at everyone. While most of my OPs don't include molestation, many are tedious. People read them and respond to them without much issue, though.

I'm more than willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

TFP is a great place, but I recognize that it's not perfect, Laser. We have issues like exclusion just the same as any other community.

I'm just amazed that people are actually suggesting that he be banned because they don't get what he's trying to say. People insult him, he replies back with an intelligent quip, and now he should be banned?? Going a little overboard if you ask me. Hey, I had a hard time reading The Scarlet Letter in 11th grade but my english teacher didn't ban it

Well, the Scarlet Letter was garbage.

My friends read the Cliff's Notes without reading the book and made an A on the exam. I read the entire book and no Cliff's Notes and made a C. Fuck that book.

/endthreadjack

Was it a big red A?

Fixed it for you ;)

I don't think the guy should be banned, but that doesn't mean I think he has anything useful to say.

Tip: Read a book by starting on the last page. That way, you only have to read a fifth of it to understand the entire plot :thumbsup:

Ohhh you came to the right place for that, I will give you that much. I think threads wouldn't last near as long if people just said wtf they want to say instead of beating around the bush for 6 posts just to insult someone.oh just in time for a good example.

gave me a good chuckle ^_^ I was thinking the same.

You know, I could jump on the lash-out bandwagon with everyone else, but I don't think I will. Instead, I'll just say the following, which is a quick but thorough appraisal of what I see happening here.

You offer nothing to the board. You become instantly and obstinately defensive when people call you out on the very vague and obtuse way in which you post. When you post, you do so with a style and mode of speech that make it even harder to decipher the already staggeringly difficult concepts you're attempting to convey. It might be easier on you, if it wasn't so glaringly obvious that the way in which you're posting is totally intentional.

In short, you shouldn't be surprised that your half-baked topics, intentionally vague and obtuse observations, and contempt for everyone on this board puts you in less than favorable graces with the members of this board, who value respect. Your behavior is disrespectful to this space and these people.

You should not be surprised that your words are being met with less than glowing results. How about shaping up, and becoming a member who puts the same amount of thought into real discussion and critical thinking as you have been on your previous posts? Show us that your brain and personality can be used for things other than being just another flash-in-the-pan nuisance.

Step up.

I used to prefer to be directly insulting but lately veiled is really more fun.

Still I think I've been directly insulting in all of his threads, and yet comical. I'm sort of like an insult comic dog, only without the cigar.

Anyways this is a great thread....

...for me to poop on.

I was going to ask if I was your asshole, but it came out sounding wrong... :orly:

and...

So... you want to be Crompsin? I kid, I kid... :thumbsup:

as weird as i find ergos post, i have no issue with them. its ok to be off centre. heck, its ok to be way off centre! thats what TFP is all about.

its generated discussion in this thread, so whats the issue? maybe this was ergos intended outcome? for all we know he could be reaching out? anyone thought of that?.. but then again he could be a troll.. so lets give him the benefit of the doubt and see where it goes?

i was a little spaced out however, about the references to the sex with daughters bit...

Are you honestly trying to say that

is an example of "intelligent quippage"? Alrighty then.

Let's be honest at least, the first few posts in every topic Ergo has made were insults. Since this is the TFP... the supposed 'mature' place on the internet, for growing together, evolving with each other. Don't you think maybe a bit of "could you explain further? Maybe be more detailing?" would have been a little more mature than "ban coz i can't understandsz his talky!!"

I'm sure you guys have made him feel oh so very welcome. Really though thats what seems to happen, I remember back a long time ago someone would come here with a topic, and it went against the grain of what "TFP Morals" have come to evolve into. The OP in those old posts would be explained to what the ideals of each of the subsequent posters would be in that particular situation. (Take a look at the hall of fame threads, at worst in most of those old ones you'd get a comment like "Well I think this is a troll but here's what I think on the situation anyway)

Fast forward back to present day, and this is what you get. We evolved into a board for the select. It's unfortunate, compassion, understanding others PoV, the ability to see other idealogies and ways of thinking, were once what the board was founded upon.

(and I'm not just defending Ergo's right to post here, though he obviously has at least material relevant to one person's tastes (Infinate_Loser has taken some conversation with him in this thread). If you look at the trend of new posters here, it has become the norm.)

I think you are on to something, Menoman.

Mixedmedia,

You ain’t getting it, babe. I am not the “dude” type. Dependent on the day I am more like James Dean/Marlon Brando (a blend of Coronel Kurt while is being stroked in the ass like in the Last Tango)/Ghetto Pimp type, biatch.

Well, my predicament is even more nonnegotiable than yours. Herein my conditions: I require that all the forum staff line-up take the pants, underpants, skirts, cockrings, buttplugs, etc down and ask vehemently for my forgiveness while masturbating and trying to impersonate George W. Bush. Please, don’t take this erroneously, it is not for anything sexual that I want you to do that (I am sorry to crush your hopes), it is just for the humiliation enjoyment.

Ok, I understand that I am putting the bar a little bit higher of what you are ready for (yes, I know you are set for everything except the W thing); but I am really doing it on behalf of the manifest love that I have for you all. Let me explain. The only way I can stay here is by being me, and that implies that the only thing I can do with your so call hierarchy is handing it thru the space between my testicular bags following with the wiping of that place where the back losses its decent name. Sorry but I don’t play sucker to the webmasters of the universe, you have herds of people that will do that if that is what you enjoy.

Don’t you see? If I stay here those tender flocks that like to cherish your hierarchy will get really angry when they notice that I don’t lick ass like them; and therefore you may regretfully get a vital decrease of the dear asslicking stock. It is for my love of you and the asslicking enjoyment of the masses that I cannot allow that to occur and therefore I prefer to sacrifice myself.

Best Regards.

Infinite_Loser (sic),

You continue your infinite dance around logic’s definition but you don’t get the point. It is not about if you can systematically validate an argument with logic, it is that every argument is tarnished from is birth in that obscure matter that I am talking about, so the validation is completely irrelevant. Look BEYOND the logic. In the end logic does not tell you almost anything. Ad infinitum, I fear.

Willravel,

Actually it appears that you didn’t understand the previous thread. Again an interesting interpretation of the parable, though.

About you last paragraph, let me smile before answering. Ok, I am not going to say if I was abused as a child or I abuse children on the weekends or you just have some deliriums now and then. It looks more interesting if we leave it like that. Imagine just wondering… am I talking to a criminal or did I invent the criminal or it is that I really want to be a criminal?

Lasereth, dlishsguy,

I hope you understand you are putting yourself in the perfect place to be ruthlessly lashed out, especially by me.

Redjake, Baraka_Guru,

Too much TV and video games. Someday you may discover that live is not projected in a screen or LCD.

Biznatch, Charlatan (sic), Analog and other minor characters that asked about it,

Affectionately I tell you, don’t even try to understand me. You can’t. You are asking me to do the effort to put quantum physics in clear words so five year old children can understand it. Don’t you see? Here is something you can understand: you can understand that there are things that you cannot understand. Don’t get trapped in anger. Suppose it is not me, there will be always something you cannot understand anyway. And yes, I know that is so difficult for your ego, but I am not to blame that your ego grew disproportionally to your brain. It is just the way it is, I am sorry. And please don’t get offended by reality.

Actually, you are probably more intelligent that the average guy so don’t feel bad. I consider most people completely stupid with approximately a 5% that can be saved. In these forums this 5% usually grows to an astonishing 25% or so, and from those very few will be able really connect with me. But I can guarantee, and actually they know, those will cum apart like crazy with me.

When writing form is meaning, I were to write in a different way and I will be saying something different. Some even suggested me to put my message into more digestible “cookies”, ironically what an illustrative metaphor! Talking about disrespecting the audience, I will not diminish the level of my writing on RESPECT to who can read it. I will stop writing here before that, although I know for sure there are people here who enjoy reading me. And there is people who actually can read it but is intelligent enough to no say nothing when they don’t have anything to add. Not that I want to promote that, I want discussion, but I guess there are much more intelligent people just reading than those that just write “shut up”.

You didn’t notice but I already explained this to who knows how to read it, but because I love you so much I am explaining it now to you too. I will not try to be understood and much less loved by the masses, that would be stupid on my part.

To the rest of the pleb that hates me so much,

Can you please all meet together and go to Hollywood to work as extras performing the angry mob in a B-Series remake of Frankenstein. First, you will earn some money from your inane resentment; second, you have already vehemently and repeatedly rehearsed the role.

Someone asked “can he being shut up so we can get on with your lives?”. Amazing. Why that quasi-telluric urge for shutting me up? Have you considered the audacious possibility of just stop reading me and go on with your lives? What would happen to the forum if those that dislike me just proceed to ignore me? Do you think that the forum will collapse in a biblical cataclysm or what?

Please just stop reading me. You degrade my text by just reading it.

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Finally my genuine parabolic opinion:

Rational Woman doesn’t remember exactly how it started. It is like somehow it has been always there. There, on the back of her mouth almost sliding on the verge of her throat; it just begun to grow. But it is so pretty, astonishing beautiful, and it expands and contracts every day, and it takes all kind forms and textures while doing it, chocolate fir, dancing mercury, silvery snow. Sometimes it really hurts, like a stalactite kiss or a fire scrape, but even then she cannot stop feeling how gorgeous it is.

When she told her friends about it everybody toss her back their opinions with such a reassurance. Don’t worry darling, just take these pills and it would go away, it made wonders with my abrasive detestness, and by the way it is also very good for the premenstrual monotony. No sweetie, Annie doesn’t have a clue, I have such a terrible worldnews dislocation and I can tell you that there is nothing like a good window shopping treatment to cure everything. Let me tell you something, he said looking so seriously at her eyes while his hand was making an advance over her forearm, I know a surgeon that will leave you like a brand new woman. That was enough. She invited him to her house. He allowed her to tie him up in the bed very easily. Then she put her panties in his mouth, fixed a fork in his penis and started turning it around more and more until his piggy prick popped out in a bath of blood. Then she chopped just the tip of his fingers one by one with a suitable carving knife then continuing hatching up the rest of his limbs using a saw once thick bone was reached. She just buried the tidy wrapped quartered remains in meadow nearby. In the following time she gave the proper treatment to quite a drove of men; and later on she started disposing women too; all properly buried in that meadow.

Then it was that she invited this woman and when she was getting ready it just happened. They didn’t say anything just looked at each other and understood. Oh silence, splendid silence, never underestimate what it is not pronounced. Then they kissed and while doing that it expanded and flourished like silky water from her throat and between the kiss’ saliva slid into her partner’s mouth and engaged her and they took knowledge of each other. She possessed every part of her body and slap her and debase her and caress her and drink her and cuddle her with such an anxious love as can only exists when you know that your lover is going to die. The thing begun to expand outside their bodies and it exploded and created a universe with galaxies and startdust and little people scratching their heads in their spinning little planets. And then it finally collapsed on the back of her mouth and there they were just looking at each other again. She left her go. They never saw each other again. It continued to grow into even more beautiful forms. One day is going to kill her though. Some nights she goes to the meadow and lie there while hearing the music of the corpses underground.


Well, so much for a discussion that didn’t exists. Good night.

Easily granted. I never said he wasn't met with a measure of disappointingly negative reactions. You're right that the atmosphere was a bit volatile at the onset, though I don't think it was without some merit. For me personally, as I said, I read his posting style as intentional. There's a big difference between "not fitting the mold" and "intentionally posting to mess with people". I think that we do a halfway decent job with people who don't "fit".

There's little to be done with someone who intentionally breaks the mold and then gives you the finger when you call him on it.

Ah yes, the "old days"... the grass was always greener in our memories. :)

Really though, you have a valid point. I agree that seemingly negative threads weren't met with such quick and aggressive disdain. Of course, there also used to be a lot fewer of us posting. With increased capacity comes the danger of faster reactions to everything. Now, you can hardly post in a thread without someone answering it quite expediently, at any time of the day... such was hardly the case in the past. I know very well, because I've always been a night person... it used to be that I'd post in threads and then leave them alone until the next day when I awakened (mid-day), because no one was around and posting at 3, 4, 5am my time. I had to wait until the world got up. Right now, it's almost 3am here and I'm actively engaged in like 4 threads with several other people. And it's Monday morning! :)

The sense of ownership among some people who've been around for a while is always unmistakable, but sometimes infamous. Some people's sense of ownership empowers them to take charge and greet the Upright, "show them the ropes", "take them under their wings", and other helpful cliches like that. Sometimes, though, it gives them a sense of entitlement to "rule the school" and play bully to the behavior of the Upright, bucking against anything that doesn't hold up their beloved status quo. It's something we've faced many times as a board, and it will keep happening until all the long-time members get in the same camp and realize when we say this board is "ours", it doesn't just apply to those who've been around a while. The board is everyones, upright and tilted alike. New blood brings new things, new ideas, new ways. That bothers some people, which is ironic given our credos of growth, learning, exploration, understanding... and respect.

I'm not joking, this reminds me of a friend of mine when he'd get stoned off his ass on really good weed. Of course, he was rather theatrical about his speeches so it was always funny and entertaining, even though nonsensical.

I read it. I understand it. It's a story. It's not an opinion, or a discussion, it's a piece of fantasy writing. Without any sort of prompt, I'm curious what responses you were looking for?

Other than the parts where I actually defended Ergo, I think my post still holds true.

His last post however, is increasingly egotistical.

I defended you Ergo, as some others did as well. Your buffer of 'retaliation' for being insulted the second you posted, is drawing thin at this point.

If you can kick the attitude about the "ass-licking" and hierarchy maybe my post wasn't fruitless.

man, i go away for one measely week, and look at all the fun that shoots up. a rambling new guy/girl, a conversation about 'what's wrong with the tfp' and a harkening back to the good old days? jinkies velma!

as far as i can see, mixed hit it pretty squarely. you don't just get to be an asshole - you have to earn that position. otherwise, people will naturally just say 'god, what an asshole!' without seeing all those redeeming qualities that make people smile when the lights aren't on.

sally forth people!

I'm the only person in this thread (I think...) that mentioned banning. It wasn't because I didn't understand--I understand just fine. Here's what I understood: a newbie posted an incomprehensible OP that was impossible to discuss. The mods approached him per standard practice to encourage him to make it at least a discussion-able thread. He replied with a public post in General Discussion bitching about the board's policies and calling them "Motherators". He's displaying an unwillingness to follow the very clearly stated rules of the board.

I'm sure he's a fine person in real life. Clearly intelligent, though perhaps a bit challenged at expressing it. But this isn't a democracy, and it never has been. People have been banned for being too bull-headed to comply with the rules, happens all the time. I don't see why this instance should be different just because the guy talks like a sophomore philosophy major.

Now: he could post something right here in this thread that would completely diffuse the infraction. He could do that with a sentence or two. But from what I've seen of him so far, he's flat unwilling to do that. And the proper response is for TFP to be flat unwilling to have him as a member.

The Mods enforcement of the rules is like physics--action X causes reaction Y, and it's not emotional or personal. That's the best way to enforce rules. It's like gravity. Gravity doesn't explain the rules or make exceptions, and if you don't follow the rule of gravity, you end up on your ass.

For those of you that didn't read all of Ergo's last post, I think I can sum it up as "I'm smarter and better than all of you and I don't play by anyone's rules". Way to go be an individual, Ergo, just like the other patchouli-stinking, guitar-playing post-grads serving as a moneysink for Mommy and Daddy's cash. I've met a thousand "individuals" just like you, and I recognize the beat of the drum circle you dance around. Perhaps you'll deign to have an actual conversation with someone, but I think that you'll just end up falling along the wayside like a pornsurfer.

I'm not sure that we've jumped the "what's wrong with TFP" shark just yet with this thread. It's certainly headed in that direction.

That may be saved by all the usual assholes and douchebags posting about how they've earned the right to be exactly that. I'm here to acknowledge my place in the asshole hierarchy.

Sorry to break apart your post and respond in pieces, I don't like doing that but your post is lengthy and my responses would seem disjointed and confusing otherwise. Besides, this is more like we are having a conversation...rather than just being talked at.

1. You called me babe.

2. If you were singing 'The End' in your head when you wrote the title of this thread, then you are most certainly (at least bordering) on dude-ism.

3. Last Tango references only marginally make-up for Jim Morrison references.

Considering the above 'finger sodomy' reference, I'm surprised at this claim that humiliation enjoyment is not sexual.

You know what? I don't believe you. I think you want to stay.

And the hierarchy I speak of has nothing to do with internet protocol or asslickers or webmasters, it has to do with trust. We have a lot of people here who have been coming to this place to talk and share and vent and gush for many years. We have shared all sorts of personal information with each other about our lives, our families, our sexual experiences, our beliefs, our creative works, and much more. Certainly you can understand the dynamics at play here. We don't know you. We know nothing about you. If you prefer to maintain a playful distance and simply take pleasure in toying with people then you're not going to stake a claim for yourself here. We have people here who are assholes, who are arrogant, who are pushy, who don't pull any punches when it comes to pointing out stupidity, hypocrisy, obtuseness, ignorance - in fact, I am sure that I am at least one of those things to any number of people here. But the fact is, those of us who stay here have gone to the trouble to expose ourselves and make ourselves vulnerable at least once in a while. This is a necessary component to establishing yourself and getting people to, if not agree with you, then at least take you seriously. We like to think of ourselves as a community. You may scoff at that in all your vainglorious discernment, but frankly I don't think we give a shit. Either you get it or you don't.


I like this. Too bad you can't emerge from your blanket of contempt and show us where it came from.

It appears that he writes out the whole post, reads through it, and then grabs a thesaurus, arbitrarily selecting words to replace with more obscure synonyms. The problem with this is that the synonyms don't have the same direct meaning as the original words, and so the new sentence doesn't quite make sense, despite being correctly spelled and punctuated.

I'm appealing to my wife right now to include mixedmedia in our relationship. That little post had my heart aflutter.

Anyways, I think I can identify 2 types of people that the TFP community welcomes with open arms:

1) People who portray themselves as themselves.
2) Online personas who have humility.

Ergo appears to be an online persona who is not humble in the least. Those defending his right to post here are dodging the reason why people are lashing out at him. He's brand spanking new and he act like he owns the pie. Once you register a username, you are entitled to certain rights here at the TFP, but none of those rights pertain to how people react to you. You're not entitled to respect. You're not entitled to a gracious reaction no matter how twisted your entrance may be. Those things you must earn, either by your sincerity or humility.

Well my footfalls will be less heavy this Monday - all because I set Hal's heart aflutter. :hearts:

but dont you find Anarcho-messiahs to be fun?


"i'm snippy and i wont obey the rules...there should be no rules...i am wiser and slicker than you because i know there should be no rules and you dont.
now bow before me, peons.

you may kiss my ring.

well, you could kiss my ring but i'm leaving.
no really.
leaving now.
the next sound you hear will be the door closing on my departure.
there it is.
that was the door closing.
i'm outside now.
this is me outside.
ok?









wait, one more thing....
i dont like hierarchy, ok?
in my quest to undermine hierarchies where i find them, i will now neither leave nor not leave.
this inside/outside business is oppression, man.
so the next sound you hear may or may not be that of me leaving.
what does leaving mean?
leaving could mean standing outside on the lawn, near the sprinkler, saying that i am leaving.
you dont know.
you dont control what things mean.
you dont control me.
i am a fully realized being, and as a fully realized being, i can at once leave and not leave.






so this sarah bernhardt farewell is actually me freeing mankind from its bondage.



i'm just going to continue standing here telling you about my heroic resistance.
you need to know, little people, about my heroic resistance.






this is me resisting heroically.








the key to my heroic resistance is saying "fuck you" to Hierarchy.




so.


fuck you Hierarchy.



did you hear that other sound?
that was capitalism trembling.




now it's time for a parable.
when jesus told parables, they were cryptic.
that is what made them good parables.
here is my new cryptic parable.






ok so i'm leaving now.
really.
the next sound you hear....."




since this kind of departure can continue for a while, i will now resume awaiting new transmissions from the Higher Plane of Being.

I think ergo may be Fred Phelps.

RB, you crack me up. :lol:

You can take just about any given situation and turn it into a Monty Python skit.

Hear, hear!! :lol:

i think that my viiews on ergo are changing and the benefit of the doubt i gave him is wearing thin....

1. The guy/girl (?) is amusing. Which is more than can be said about some (have you ventured into politics lately?).
2. Vague personal attacks are not unusual around here (have you ventured into politics lately?).
3. Unreadable posts are not unusual around here (have you ventured into politics lately?).
4. As MM said, other assholes are allowed to stick around, and we accept them (have you ventured into politics lately?).
5. Don't feed the Trolls.
6. Something about Ergo's posts reminds me of the schizophrenic ramblings of . . . uh, you know, schizophrenics. And I'm not kidding.
Is there a doctor in the house?

Sorry, Ergo's post above was temporarily unavailable.

When I got here this morning there were 8-9 duplicate posts that had been detained by our spam detector. Our Mr. Ergo was very determined to get his last word in...understandably, seeing all the work he put into it.

But I just realized that, when deleting the duplicate posts, I had failed to approve the one I left up so it wasn't visible all morning.

So anyone who missed it may scroll back up and read it in its entirety.

I like the way Ergo writes.

You do not read something of this caliber normally. This is above and beyond the creativity that I'm used to. Reading this has an effect on me greater than the shit we read in college english.

Yes this guy is egotistical and yes he doesn't give a crap if he is banned. But maybe he has a reason for being this way? All I've seen so far is intelligent discussion out of him, even if it is hard to understand for some. I like reading what he has to say. I look forward to his responses. I can't say that about many people on the Internet.

HAHAHA! Good one, RoachBoy. I could really visualize the door-close-door-open-oh-by-the-way of the dialog.

...

See... I don't trust Ergo simply because he refuses to talk about man staples, the holy trinity of having testicles: boobs, football, and vehicles with internal combustion engines.

Logic and philosophy are usually only a good topic for college kids when they're drunk.

...

Jinn Kai was right on about the thesaurus thing. Not everybody can be Baraka_Guru.

Roachboy's post sounds funnier if you read it like you're Stewie Griffin

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*cues up The Days of Our Lives theme song*

WTF?! HAHAHA! :) When was the last time I pooped on anything good here?

Lasereth, could you answer my question please?

ATTENTION Ergo and everyone else: I'm sorry to piss in your Wheaties, but Ergo is in serious need of an editor. He is sculpting David with a chainsaw. He is not a good writer. Looking at his syntax, I'd be willing to wager that English is not even his first language.

ALSO ATTENTION: many people on TFP aren't from the US or even an english speaking country. Many people have very poor syntax, and I'll redly admit that I am not a good writer.

Of course none of these things has anything to do with anything.

Clearly I was talking about his earlier responses before people started flaming him.

This explains confusion of mine much young grasshopper.

Quoted just in case you missed it this morning like I did.

As for flames? Psssst. We have a warm ember here, not flames. There's a chance but not without some more tender from Ergo.

FYI the post I quoted was ergo's second post ever on TFP, technically making it ergo's first and earliest response.

Or a gud spelur. ;)

You are wrong (as usual), grasshopper.

In Ergo's defense, several posts have mentioned Ergo's superior writing skills. They say (to paraphrase) allow him to stick around because his writing is better than average.

It is not.

Hell, I'm just pissed because Mr. Halx said there was pie... and... I... uhm... I didn't get any.

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a13...143/TFPPie.jpg

The quality of Ergo's writing is a non-issue.

I'd be lost without spellcheck in my browser, and I still end up getting things wrong... so you've definitely got me there.
Actually, I've never been wrong before. Can you explain to me what it's like in case it ever happens?

The Jazz (post #54) and roachboy (post #59) have nailed this guy to a tee (as opposed to a tree).

LOL.
This is why I incline on bended knee before thee.:thumbsup:

I stand corrected. :thumbsup:

Well, as far as communicating goes, I find that Ergo is one of those contrarians who wish to provoke, but then obfuscates matters by rendering their opinions in wordy diatribes. Regardless of their country of origin, and capability of writing in English, the communication doesn't get done, and in turn, offends.

What's the point Ergo?

Hail Citizens!

My diet requires more Ergonian style posts.
Please do not scare him off just yet.
Just poke him and make more words tumble forth
or just have Ergo bathed and sent to my mind's tent
where (s)he shall warm my brain furs on cold pseudointellectual nights.

I am hungry for morehttp://godxiliary.com/ben/exclanimation/mark.gif
-GH

...to generate muh-na-mah-na threads with 87+ replies.

Regarding Ergo:

Now I know the kind of person Stephen Fry was making fun of in this sketch. ;)

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House is funnier in the original British.

Whereas, our chap Ergo has apparently departed posthaste, i.e., with the greatest possible speed and promptness--perhaps even, without further ado; this funhouse seems to have run its natural course. Alas, ergo, etc., Aladdin Sane will now slither back to his personal perch directly overlooking the unmentionable-in-polite-company Titty Board, which is, by honest accounts, where he belongs.
Please hastily notify Aladdin Sane should another round of unexpected and not anticipated hilarity ensue, erupt, or otherwise take place subsequently to and following the here and now, in the comfy bowels of the Tilted Forum Project.

No, no-no... it was supposed to end with:

...Tilted Forum Projects - TFP - Seuxality, Philosophy and Political Discussion.

*Crompsin's head explodes a la Scanners*

...

Jesus, use some friggin' pronouns.

...

Could you imagine Ergo in the Shoutbox? That would rock.

DAMN! I wish I would've wrote that.

... that's some deep shit, Giant Hamburger.

"...I would walk on bloody stumps through the snow for one more warm breath of Ergo's wit."

Wow.

Well you sure have prompted some discussion, congrats! Too bad it wasn't the topic of the OP's assertions :)

ergo has some issues - that is a given.
ergo may be borderline - that is a probable.
ergo may be using a language other than his/her "milk-tongue" - that is a probable.
Alladdin Sane has made these points and they are worth repeating.
RB has probably summarized ergo's methodology better than anyone. I know when I read his/her posting in MM's art thread I was immediately WTF, seriously irked, and did some searching. MM had such a properly TFP response I remained quiet.
the lack of comprehension on our parts to ergo's posting may be more a function of not following a psychotic episode than it is our collective inability to understand an uber-being. I am ok with that.
now I have posted here too - do I join the queue of asshats to the left, or to the right?

We should call Ergo "Ergone" because I don't think he's been back to this thread since page 1...

Ya know, the name 'ergo', and his rambling posts made me think of one thing...

if nothing else, did he not give us something to discuss? Ah the irony.

This thread satisfied, like after birth at a Tom Cruise buffet.

It's closed now.


We were all waiting for it to happen.


I had to. It was going nowhere. And it never will.



Thanks for the... yeah... whatever just happened.