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QuasiMondo 10-05-2007 04:07 PM

Passenger pulled from flight for T-shirt
 
I'll give you one guess which airline it was:

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Lasereth 10-05-2007 04:12 PM

Master Baiter? What are we 12 years old and in 1998 again? How do people think shit like this is funny?

I have a hatred of "funny" or offensive t-shirts so this is justified if you ask me. Goes along the same lines as those idiot "Brat" or "I love niggers" or "I love pussy" with a cat on it shirts.

Plan9 10-05-2007 05:37 PM

He should be teabagged by the fashion police, not kicked off a plane.

noodle 10-05-2007 05:50 PM

I am lewd, obscene and patently offensive.
It's a good thing i don't fly Southwest.

Plan9 10-05-2007 06:01 PM

I wanna fly on that Hooters airline.

...

God, what is wrong with our society?

Slims 10-05-2007 06:03 PM

It is a silly reason to kick someone off the flight.

However, the shirt was in poor taste, and I support any companies right deny service to someone who won't conform to their policies.

Just like if I want to open a club and enforce a dress code, I should have the right to boot someone who refuses to comply.

Plan9 10-05-2007 06:07 PM

They should have made him turn his shirt inside out and do the walk of shame like the moron he was, is, and will continue to be based on his clothing.

...

Man, I totally said teabag in this thread.

Hahah... tasteless!

Hyacinthe 10-05-2007 06:47 PM

If this was the first time that this airline had done something like this I would agree however reading a few similar stories about women being told they're dressed too provocatively to fly gets my back up, specially from an airline that has had it's stewardesses in hot pants. Can we say hypocritical?

Sounds to me like South west employees need a more specific example of "lewd or offensive" cause to me if a woman wants to wear a mini skirt or a halter neck dress on a flight she should be allowed to.


Maybe that's just me speaking from the Aussie stand point though since in summer here it's too hot to wear more then minimal clothing.

This pretty much sums up how I feel about the situation though


Plan9 10-05-2007 06:56 PM

With airport security and their "clothing morals", we should all wear hospital gowns to the terminals.

Make it a lot easier to deal with all this procedural crap.

Bill O'Rights 10-05-2007 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crompsin
They should have made him turn his shirt inside out...

They did.
Quote:

Winiecki, who was traveling home, said he was in his seat when an employee told him he had to change his T-shirt, turn it inside out, or get off the plane.
Quote:

Southwest spokesman Chris Mainz said Friday the employee made a mistake because the Dallas-based airline does not have a dress code.
Then perhaps they should develop one.

Quote:

Southwest, like other airlines, has language in its contract of carriage that states it reserves the right to deny service to customers whose clothing is "lewd, obscene or patently offensive."
Although...I'd say that they were well within their rights to do exactly what they did. And, frankly, I don't blame 'em a bit. It may just be Southwest, but it still ain't Greyhound. Have a little class for chistsakes.

Plan9 10-05-2007 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill O'Rights
They did.

I blame the hops! And barley. Barley, you bastard.

Hahahaha, wow, I totally missed that part.

squeeeb 10-05-2007 08:24 PM

the guy should be made fun of for wearing a t-shirt that proves he is an assclown, but i don't see how it is offensive. it's a dumb play on words, double entendre, but you are only offended if you choose to see it that way. the people who would be offended are the dirty minds here. if someone is good at baiting a hook, and is a master at it, he can be a master baiter. stupid, childish, but only offensive if you want it to be. right up there with those "big rod" shirts. clownshit, but not offensive.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lasereth
Master Baiter? What are we 12 years old and in 1998 again? How do people think shit like this is funny?

I have a hatred of "funny" or offensive t-shirts so this is justified if you ask me. Goes along the same lines as those idiot "Brat" or "I love niggers" or "I love pussy" with a cat on it shirts.

i have never seen an "i love niggers" shirt. i can understand how that might be offensive. i guess.

Plan9 10-05-2007 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by squeeeb
i have never seen an "i love ..." shirt. i can understand how that might be offensive. i guess.

Wow, that shirt is so offensive that I don't even want to quote it.

Sion 10-05-2007 08:32 PM

http://www.t-shirthumor.com/Merchant...e/mstr_lg2.gif

Plan9 10-05-2007 08:35 PM

HEY! YOU! That worm is a phallic symbol.

Don't even get me started with the tongue.

Willravel 10-05-2007 08:43 PM

ROFL...
...masterbater.

squeeeb 10-05-2007 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crompsin
Wow, that shirt is so offensive that I don't even want to quote it.

i admit, i felt a bit weird typing it...i might have even looked over my shoulder as i did....

Infinite_Loser 10-05-2007 09:26 PM

I don't see what the big deal is. Businesses reserve the right to refuse anyone service. Personally, I find such juvenille humor tasteless. Yeah... Master Baiter was funny when I was, like, 8.

Shauk 10-06-2007 12:54 AM

I grab my dick and double click? wow, people are so uptight, holy crap its a a childish humor shirt, if someone is paying your stupid airline hundreds of dollars, just deal with it, making a scene out of this crap just makes your airline look bad.

mrklixx 10-06-2007 03:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lasereth
Master Baiter? What are we 12 years old and in 1998 again? How do people think shit like this is funny?

I have a hatred of "funny" or offensive t-shirts so this is justified if you ask me. Goes along the same lines as those idiot "Brat" or "I love niggers" or "I love pussy" with a cat on it shirts.

WOW, you equate this to the career ending, possible jailable, life threatening, "word that must not be named"?

Also you find "Cork Soakers" and "Colonel Angus" hilarious, but you have a pure hatred for this?

Interesting.

Ustwo 10-06-2007 05:17 AM

Oh no, someone found out that juvenile behavior in public has minor consequences at times.

fatbob 10-06-2007 05:49 AM

i can't believe people on here are defending the airline!!!? it's unreal that a paying customer should be discriminated against for wearing a t-shirt that some humourless flight attendant might take mild offense to...
sometimes i really think we are going backwards as a society rather than forwards

Esoteric 10-06-2007 05:51 AM

It's a fucking T-shirt....

Cynthetiq 10-06-2007 06:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ustwo
Oh no, someone found out that juvenile behavior in public has minor consequences at times.

That's the problem that people seem to miss in most of these threads, that there are consequences to actions. Sometimes they are enforced and other times not. It is IMO no different than speeding in a pack of cars down the highway and the officer singles him out. He wonders why did I get the ticket? well because you were speeding... In this case he was wearing a potentially offensive shirt.

As far as the recent girl who wasn't allowed to fly because her skirt was too short, when she appeared on one of the morning programs they fuzzed out the beaver shot she gave the camera.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Esoteric
It's a fucking T-shirt....

so a tshirt with two people fucking on it, acceptable since it's just a tshirt?

Esoteric 10-06-2007 06:06 AM

Acceptable to whom? To me? I couldn't care less.

Plan9 10-06-2007 06:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ustwo
Oh no, someone found out that juvenile behavior in public has minor consequences at times.

Hahahah... OH NO! (makes Godzilla noises)

Corporations will be the last refuge of morality.

flstf 10-06-2007 08:11 AM

The shirt he was wearing might be somewhat juvenile but I don't think offensive enough to be kicked off the plane. A spokesman for the airline agrees and has apologized to the man.
http://www.sptimes.com/2007/10/04/im...uthwest450.jpg
http://www.sptimes.com/2007/10/05/im...thwest_300.jpg

LazyBoy 10-06-2007 08:41 AM

I'm wondering when they're gonna starting handing out standard issue flight suits.

-Will

Plan9 10-06-2007 08:41 AM

Figure A: Douchebagus Maximus

QuasiMondo 10-06-2007 11:19 AM

Almost remonds me of those "Big Johnson" T-shirts they made back in the 90's.

casual user 10-06-2007 11:31 AM

what's more shocking is this:

Quote:

The airline apologized this summer after a college student wearing a denim miniskirt and a sweater over a tank top was told to change her outfit or get off a flight departing from San Diego.

whaaaaaaaaaa?

seriously, people should be able to wear whatever the hell they want, no matter how much of a douche bag their clothes makes them look

captobvious 10-06-2007 12:28 PM

I agree with casual user...

Getting kicked off for the tshirt isn't very surprising if you read about the hooters waitress they kicked off for what she was wearing

Bill O'Rights 10-06-2007 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by casual user
seriously, people should be able to wear whatever the hell they want, no matter how much of a douche bag their clothes makes them look

I have no problem with that whatsoever.

But...said people should also not be surprised, nor indignant, when they are asked to take their business elsewhere.

Sion 10-07-2007 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill O'Rights
I have no problem with that whatsoever.

But...said people should also not be surprised, nor indignant, when they are asked to take their business elsewhere.


perhaps, but given the intense competition and extremely thin profit margins in the airline industry, maybe they should focus on serving the CUSTOMERS' needs and not their own sense of propriety.

Bill O'Rights 10-08-2007 05:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sion
perhaps, but given the intense competition and extremely thin profit margins in the airline industry, maybe they should focus on serving the CUSTOMERS' needs and not their own sense of propriety.

I guess I just fail to see how the customer needs to wear clothing better suited to a frat party. If you are an adult, and want to be treated like an adult, then act (and yes, even dress) like an adult. I view this less as a matter of comfort, and even less as a matter of free speech, than I do as a lack of respect for those around you.

It frosts my nuts, when I take my wife to the symphony (yes, Omaha actually has a good one), the ballet, the opera, the playhouse, or even a fancy restaurant, and I see that guy. The guy that always wears the jeans and t-shirt. There is a time and a place for that. Have a little class. Have a little dignity. Have a little respect, and learn which is which.

Now, Southwest may be a "low-end" airline, and the days of dressing in a suit and tie, for air travel, are long gone, but when did traveling by air become akin to traveling Greyhound?

Esoteric 10-08-2007 07:51 AM

He's riding an airplane, not going to a symphony. This is on the back of his shirt no less. How many people are going to see it once he's taken his seat? This is just a case of people being way too oversensitive.

Ustwo 10-08-2007 08:41 AM

I didn't see the guys age, but if he is the guy in that picture, he is a douche bag for wearing a shirt like that at his age in public.

Seriously, I know most of you kids don't see anything wrong with it, but its juvenile.

Dane Bramage 10-08-2007 08:49 AM

it's total bullshit, IMO. people get offended by the most ridiculous stuff these days. i find it asinine that they would make him turn his shirt inside out.

then again... since they are offering up free tickets to the offended, then perhaps it might be worth the embarrassment.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ustwo
I didn't see the guys age, but if he is the guy in that picture, he is a douche bag for wearing a shirt like that at his age in public.

Seriously, I know most of you kids don't see anything wrong with it, but its juvenile.

sure it may be, but does it warrant being singled out like that on a plane? as has been said above, if the guy wants to look like an ass-hat, then that is his prerogative, right?

Val_1 10-08-2007 09:01 AM

I wouldn't waste any breath defending the guy. Turning a t-shirt inside out for a joke he knew was offensive (after all, that's why it's "funny", right) is pretty minor compared to the real denials of free speech that are occurring out there. Airlines are private industries (though, as often as they are bailed out by the gov't, they don't seem like it at times) and have the right to deny service to anyone.

Dane Bramage 10-08-2007 09:09 AM

i'm not really defending the guy, as much as i'm questioning why everyone is getting bent out of shape by Master Baiter.

if you want really offensive clothing, head over to Teeshirt Hell and pick you up a "Fuck the Color Blind" or maybe a "Slavery Gets Things Done" shirt. Then we can talk about offensive.

sorry... i just think people get cheesed at stupid shit.

Sion 10-08-2007 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill O'Rights

Now, Southwest may be a "low-end" airline, and the days of dressing in a suit and tie, for air travel, are long gone, but when did traveling by air become akin to traveling Greyhound?


what's the difference? they are both mass transit. the ONLY difference I see is the price.

Bill O'Rights 10-08-2007 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sion
what's the difference? they are both mass transit. the ONLY difference I see is the price.

What's the difference between ground beef and top sirloin? They are both meat. The ONLY difference I see is the price.

What's the difference between McDonald's and Delmonico's? They are both restaurants. The ONLY difference I see is the price.

What's the difference between a crack ho and $1000 per night call girl? They are both whores. The ONLY difference I see is the price.

Hey, this kinda fun. I could do this all day.

Esoteric 10-08-2007 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ustwo
I didn't see the guys age, but if he is the guy in that picture, he is a douche bag for wearing a shirt like that at his age in public.

Seriously, I know most of you kids don't see anything wrong with it, but its juvenile.

So because of his age he's supposed to wear certain clothing? Please. Sure this could be seen as juvenile to some, but getting kicked off a plane because of a T-shirt like this? Ridiculous.

Willravel 10-08-2007 10:43 AM

If I had an airline, I wouldn't kick someone off for something as simple as the above. It's excessive. The shirt may have been in bad taste, but so is picking your nose and I swear to god everyone on every flight I've ever been on has snuck a pick and it makes me want to vomit. Why they can't just escort people off the plane that pick their noses is beyond me.

maleficent 10-08-2007 10:59 AM

when was flying 100K miles a year, I had a long list of things that I'd wish people could be kicked off the airlines for...

1, excessive perfume
2. Loud talkers
3. Loud talkers on cell phones
4, Annoying children
5. PArents of annoying children
6. People who coulnd't quite grasp the concept that travelling didn't mean bringing all your worldly poessessions on the airplane with you.
7. gum chewers
8. people who bring on stinky food.

the list could be much worse depending on my amount of caffeination.

On any given day, someone is going to be offended by something or someone... some of the offenses are legitimate... some well - only exist in mal's world...

Southwest is not an airline I'd ever choose to fly... their cattle call boarding policy is just one more thing that irritated me... plus I had more than one episode with them, allowing an intoxicated passenger to board, that I will never fly then again... I'd much prefer them stick to the FAA rules then to create their own rules.

Willravel 10-08-2007 11:04 AM

Gum chewing? That's an interesting one. I happen to chew gum myself, and I use it when flying to assist with cabin pressure regulation in my inner ear. Also, I have a childhood association between flying and cinnamon gum (I had cinnamon gum on my first plane ride).

So it really bugs you when people chew gum on a plane? Is it that they're chewing excessively, like in an obnoxious way? Or is it just in general? I ask because I never though that gum chewing in a casual setting was such a bad thing.

maleficent 10-08-2007 11:06 AM

Popping gum will make me positively homicidal...
Chewing with the mouth open so the person looks like a cow chewing their cud makes me nauseous... just the sound of chewing, just grosses me out... because it sounds so - chewy and regurgitated...

Willravel 10-08-2007 11:08 AM

I'll have to be more careful then. I didn't realize that might bother people. If you ever see me on a flight and I'm chewing gum, just throw something at my head. And if you're not sure if it's me, throw anyway. It's funny.

Sion 10-08-2007 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill O'Rights
What's the difference between ground beef and top sirloin? They are both meat. The ONLY difference I see is the price.

What's the difference between McDonald's and Delmonico's? They are both restaurants. The ONLY difference I see is the price.

What's the difference between a crack ho and $1000 per night call girl? They are both whores. The ONLY difference I see is the price.

Hey, this kinda fun. I could do this all day.


fair enough. lets look at it this way: why, in your opinion, is it ok to wear a tasteless t-shirt on a bus, but not on a low end airline?

again, what makes the difference, besides the price of the ticket?

Terrell 10-08-2007 01:28 PM

I think that Southwest should have let the guy fly. I could see if he had one of those shirts from the '80s that said "No More Mr. Nice Guy, On your Knees BITCH!" (or the female equivalent "No More Ms. Nice Girl, On your Knees BASTARD"). but Master Baiter, with a guy baiting a hook? In that case I think that Southwest should lighten up a little. Why am I reminded of High School where a bunch of guys wore "beaver patrol" shirts on a day designated for groups wearing T-shirts?

flstf 10-08-2007 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill O'Rights
Now, Southwest may be a "low-end" airline, and the days of dressing in a suit and tie, for air travel, are long gone, but when did traveling by air become akin to traveling Greyhound?

I think sometime in the late '70s early '80s.:)

maleficent 10-08-2007 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flstf
I think sometime in the late '70s early '80s.:)

later than that- once they stopped allowing smoking on planes -the air quality went down hill and so did service and expectations of passengers to act like air travel meant something...

Late 80s people still dressed up to fly... a person wouldn't dream of getting on a plane in pajama bottoms and fuzzy slippers like ive seen some people dress today...

uncle phil 10-08-2007 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ustwo
Oh no, someone found out that juvenile behavior in public has minor consequences at times.

i could not have said this better myself...and, i continue to fly southwest whenever i can because i find their whole attitude toward the "in-flight experience" refreshing...

Toren 10-09-2007 12:58 AM

From the way I see it, the shirt was nothing to get bent out of shape about. Yes, the innuendos are all there. There's many of them stacked up, but most people just get off with a glare. He did go by their rules and turn out his shirt, but seriously...

Now I have a shirt that is delightfully offensive. Every time I see it in my closet, I generally pass it over. The only time I wear it is when I'm sitting around the house, hanging out with my friends at their place, or am in certain social situations. Rarely do I wear it out in public (I have done so twice to my recollection, maybe three times - out to a bar, to a horror writing class, and maybe to a concert). There's a certain stigma attached to shirts that blatantly yell obscenities.

Now to me they're nothing but words, but I know plenty who'd get offended. So I choose not to wear it. This guy, on the other hand, had no obscenities. It was word play.

Now is that really worth getting singled out?

maleficent 10-09-2007 03:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by uncle phil
i find their whole attitude toward the "in-flight experience" refreshing...

Southwest doesn't seem to take itself too seriously as an airline - this is the same airline who got sued sometime in my recent memory because some passenger got their knickers in a twist because of the rhyme the flight attendant used jsut before take off... I find it somewhat amusing that an airline that is slightly irreverant in most things finds tshirts offensive...

Dane Bramage 10-09-2007 09:59 AM

do you remember the rhyme?

Yukimura 10-09-2007 09:59 AM

What kind of training has Southwest been putting its employees through that keeps making stuff like this happen? What really irks me more than anything about this is the sleazy bureaucracy. "...read a printed apology" and nonsense like that. The guy's too busy to give a simple phone call? "Hey, sorry about that." It says to me that he thinks he's too big to get involved with the issues of their individual customers. It also says that he is in all likelihood responsible for this in some way, but buffers it through several layers of middle management to distance himself from the actual issue and make it seem like "nobody's fault" or "company policy". Or how about the employee that actually made the mistake? If you ask me, that's the one who really needed to apologize in the first place. *sigh* Any sort of bureaucracy will quickly get me irritated though, so I guess I'm just venting a general frustration at the impersonal nature of big business.

maleficent 10-09-2007 10:00 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eeny,_meeny,_miny,_moe

xepherys 10-09-2007 10:47 AM

First of all, I am a firm believer in freedom of speech and expression. It's juvenile, perhaps, but there are no laws that prevent the donning of such clothing. It isn't even "patently offensive", whatever that means to the PC crowd these days.

Yes, the airline is a private company, however it is also a provider of a service that is legally (oft times) defined as being necessary to the growth, well-being and economic viability of a country. Maybe the government needs to scrap Amtrak and build an airline so people don't have to put up with this shit.

I don't wear "lame humor" shirts myself, but I fully support people's rights to do so. Frankly, if someone wants to wear a shirt that says "Fuck niggers and fags", more power to them. I think they're an idiot, but I also believe that the reason people in the military die overseas is to help (okay, maybe not so much with this war, but generally speaking) ensure their freedom to do so.

uncle phil 10-09-2007 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by maleficent
Southwest doesn't seem to take itself too seriously as an airline - this is the same airline who got sued sometime in my recent memory because some passenger got their knickers in a twist because of the rhyme the flight attendant used jsut before take off... I find it somewhat amusing that an airline that is slightly irreverant in most things finds tshirts offensive...

my "in-flight experiences" have nothing to do with some juvenile jerk-off who feels an immediate need to offend the sensibilities of his fellow travelers by wearing something most people would use to wash their cars...


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