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Old 10-04-2007, 07:26 AM   #41 (permalink)
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Apparently I wasn't quite clear on that, as we got willravel's horrific socialist dystopia...
I didn't say you were going to like it. Be glad I gave you Australia.
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Old 10-04-2007, 07:29 AM   #42 (permalink)
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I didn't say you were going to like it. Be glad I gave you Australia.
Dude for your sake I was hoping it was just you making a clever troll.

If that is in fact how you think, brother, you have issues.
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Old 10-04-2007, 07:39 AM   #43 (permalink)
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I'm glad there's diversity in the world. Not that everyone isn't great in their own ways, but that's what makes a person great...the differences.

If everyone were like me...I don't even want to think about that. Worry would rule and decision making would falter.

Now, positively, everyone would have a dirty mind and be easily amused by misspoken words or double meaning sentences/words, funny reflections, and just the oddness that is all around us. Oh yea, and everyone would always have a good fashion sense with the appropriate, matching shoes.
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Old 10-04-2007, 08:31 AM   #44 (permalink)
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Dude for your sake I was hoping it was just you making a clever troll.

If that is in fact how you think, brother, you have issues.
I'll admit the castration thing is harsh, but how can you disagree with homes and fresh water for everyone? How can you disagree with preempting anti-social behavior to prevent crime instead of just waiting and punishing it? How can you disagree with no more respiratory disease because there aren't pollutants in the air? How can you disagree with no more fighting over resources because the planet isn't overpopulated?

I mean really, if you disagree with those things then you don't have your priorities straight.

BTW, local government is the opposite of a dystopia. It's libertarian, not totalitarian.

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Old 10-04-2007, 10:17 AM   #45 (permalink)
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Will, no offense but your world sucks. I can't think of a place that would be more big-brother totalitarian than there.
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Old 10-04-2007, 10:27 AM   #46 (permalink)
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Will, no offense but your world sucks. I can't think of a place that would be more big-brother totalitarian than there.
I'm amazed that I have to do this:
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1 a : of or relating to centralized control by an autocratic leader or hierarchy : AUTHORITARIAN, DICTATORIAL; especially : DESPOTIC b : of or relating to a political regime based on subordination of the individual to the state and strict control of all aspects of the life and productive capacity of the nation especially by coercive measures (as censorship and terrorism)
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?va=totalitarian

I outline a governmental system where communities mostly run themselves and people call it totalitarian. That's scary. No coercion. No terrorism. No authoritarianism. No dictatorship. And yet it's totalitarian.

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Most government would be done locally and all members of society would be heavily involved in policy because they aren't distracted by crap.
Comon, people. The castration thing is a criminal justice issue and the government I laid out is more libertarian than the one we have in the US.
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Old 10-04-2007, 11:13 AM   #47 (permalink)
 
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so let's see...if i restrict myself to stuff that i happen to like and wonder what it'd be like if my preferences were mainstream preferences---i dont know about this---and i have had this conversation quite a few times with folk who do stuff that is "underground" or "experimental" about the extent to which what they do and how they do it presupposes a dull mainstream culture and so understands itself as oppositional.

what i would definitely change is: there would be extensive state funding for the arts and that money would come out of the grotesquely bloated levels of military technology expenditures that presently grease the wheels of republican military keynesianism. i'd like to imagine this as a fairly ecumenical affair in terms of who'd get it--but it should be easier for people to make a living in the arts and not have to rely on the lameness of pop or--worse--country distribution systems or the lameness of the gallery system or any other form of activity that presupposes that markets are in any way rational.
they arent.

i would abolish clear channel and make it much easier for local broadcast radio. that's a good idea and doesnt require that the world be as i might like it to still be a good idea.

i dont like television, but figure it gives people direction in terms of telling them what they want, and that without it there'd be Ambiguity at the level of desire and i am not sure americans are ready for that. so i have no recommendations. i just dont like television.

beyond that, folk should do as they like.
it doesnt matter whether they find what interests me to be interesting or if i find what interests them to be interesting.

i'm just glad that the folk who imagine themselves banning forms of music they dont like have no power.
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Old 10-04-2007, 04:16 PM   #48 (permalink)
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Consternation would prevail, since I have no set ideals or personality that defines me.

Alot of double-talk, back-tracking, and grandiose enlightenments that seek to revolutionize the world, though no immediate plans are even being processed.

In essence, all thoughts would cease, silence would decrease, and comfort would be equatable to breathing.

"Bliss is now, stress is then and later when pondered."
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Old 10-04-2007, 04:20 PM   #49 (permalink)
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I think if everyone was like me, the world would be a boring place and things would quickly atrophy.

Nothing like a lack of diversity of thought, opinion and action to bring about stagnation.
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Old 10-04-2007, 06:58 PM   #50 (permalink)
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I think if everyone was like me, the world would be a boring place and things would quickly atrophy.

Nothing like a lack of diversity of thought, opinion and action to bring about stagnation.
But they'd sure be good looking...

I just realized that my list was not 'if everyone was like me', more like what I'd do...
If everyone were like me, we'd all be childlike, obstinate in many ways, easy to laugh and talk to ourselves a lot.
And lazy unless there's a goal to reach.
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Old 10-04-2007, 08:14 PM   #51 (permalink)
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1. 'Retro' and 'Vintage' would become 'Contemporary'
2. No more 'ism's' - racism, ageism, etc.
3. So-called celebrities, like Paris Hilton and Victoria Beckham, would receive the media coverage I feel they deserve - none.
4. The focus of education would be on enriching people's lives, not acquiring qualifications.
5. Religion would be a personal, rather than public, thing.
6. Nice guys wouldn't finish last.
7. Intelligence would be encouraged, not stigmatised.
8. Marc Bolan would be revered as a god (obviously).
9. You wouldn't treat an animal any less respectfully than you'd like to be treated yourself - so no more eating meat.
10. No more offspring - we'd be the last generations of the human race...but we'd have one heck of a party!
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Old 10-04-2007, 08:15 PM   #52 (permalink)
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I outline a governmental system where communities mostly run themselves and people call it totalitarian. That's scary. No coercion. No terrorism. No authoritarianism. No dictatorship. And yet it's totalitarian.
"...relating to a political regime based on subordination of the individual to the state and strict control of all aspects of the life and productive capacity of the nation especially by coercive measures (as censorship and terrorism)."

This is what you have right here. In your world, individuals would live under an authoritarian system controlled by a hierarchy rooted on the community level and reaching up to city and worldwide regulatory bodies. Your bracelet is a forced panopticon technology that would effectively enforce self-censorship. Your "preemptive measures" in the schools to prevent crime is suspect. There are always deviations in a social system. Not everyone can be "cured" of criminal intent, which would place a burden on your unduly harsh system of crime and punishment that goes beyond the perpetrator and punishes the innocent.

Sorry, willravel, but your world would be fuelled by coercion and terrorism. If it's not authoritarianism or totalitarianism, then what would you call it? Seriously.... this is a utopia?



Now onto my world:
  1. Television would be a failed technology, and it would be survived by radio and the Internet, and everyone would play video games.
  2. Average meat consumption in North America would drop to levels seen in regions such as Okinawa.
  3. For city dwellers, cars would be used on weekends only, and only sparingly at that.
  4. The fashion industry would suffer a near collapse; surviving designers would become pragmatic tailors who make clothes that last for months, if not years.
  5. Violence would become virtually non-existent; police and legal systems would be more symbolic or to help with misunderstandings.
  6. With the lack of worldwide violence, military budgets would be diverted into arts, medical research, and education budgets.
  7. Space programs would be abandoned and the funds would be diverted into social programs for the impoverished.
  8. Everyone would quit drugs and smoking, and would drink alcohol only to savour the experience of a good beverage and fine company, rather than to get intoxicated.
  9. Nationalism would all but collapse; people would look at each other as humans first, looking at their locally derived nuances next--all with a genuine interest in understanding it all.
  10. Book production would explode.

...there is more here, I know it.
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Old 10-04-2007, 10:13 PM   #53 (permalink)
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All doorframes would be a minimum of 7 feet tall.
Family Guy would never have made it to a second season.
When you pull up next to someone else with music cranked up at a stoplight, you each turn your music down instead of trying to drown out the other guy.
Public transportation would be a priority in order to get the idiots off the road.
No religion.
It would be accepted that professional men can have long hair as long as they keep themselves well-groomed.
Silly hat days would be frequent and encouraged.
Shoes would be optional.
Putting your feet up on a table where people are not eating would be acceptable as long as your feet are clean and odor-free.
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3. Electronic music would be treated like a real genre, not like some awkwardly developing baby.
And it would be legal to shoot to kill anyone who refers to all electronic music as "techno."
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Old 10-04-2007, 11:45 PM   #54 (permalink)
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man if everyone was like me.. that is a deep idea to consider. first of all talking to myself all the time would get boring... nothing new to say right? and even if they were the hottest person ever I couldn't hook up with someone if they had the exact 100% same personality as me
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Old 10-05-2007, 12:03 AM   #55 (permalink)
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Family Guy would never have made it to a second season.
I can't believe I ever liked you. lol

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Ok you're redeemed. lol
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Old 10-05-2007, 12:05 AM   #56 (permalink)
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Old 10-05-2007, 01:39 AM   #57 (permalink)
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If everyone was like me the world would be a very interesting place actually - sometimes I swear I have multiple personalities.
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Old 10-05-2007, 02:00 AM   #58 (permalink)
 
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I wouldn't mind living in Baraka_Guru's world. We think alike, brother... on pretty much every single point you made. (Except for everyone playing video games; in my world, playing video games more than X hours per week would be a punishable offense.)
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Old 10-05-2007, 03:06 AM   #59 (permalink)
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If everybody was like me, cities would be left to decay and all the world would live in villages with no central government.
Everything will be produced locally, if there is need to do trade it would be traded a fixed rate forever, and there would be no money.
People would be happy just having plenty of food, shelter and freedom to travel everywhere - the surplus food would be shared, and nobody would own anything except his clothes.
People would travel with bicycles or electric trains, all the electricity would come from renewable sources
And there would be a giant world forum where everybody could talk to everybody.
Technology will be pursued but capitalism would never appear, people would help each other grow food and everything. And everybody would behave like a Zen master and care about nothing, and we will all live happily ever after

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Old 10-05-2007, 08:21 AM   #60 (permalink)
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I can't believe I ever liked you. lol
Every episode is a simple plotline, a few references to some classic movie, and ten or twenty random flashbacks with no relevance to the episode, solely for filler. Running gags go on way past when they stop being funny. The worst part is that I can't say anything without some jackass butting in with a random Family Guy quote vaguely related to what I'm saying (The Simpsons is also guilty of this; when I say, "You call that a knife? This is a knife" and whip out a butterfly or machete, I clearly do not want to hear the fucking knifey-spooney line.)
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