Hamas TV kills off Mickey Mouse double

[Xazy]

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Hamas TV kills off Mickey Mouse double

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A Mickey Mouse lookalike who preached Islamic domination on a Hamas-affiliated children's television program was beaten to death in the show's final episode Friday.

In the final skit, "Farfour" was killed by an actor posing as an Israeli official trying to buy Farfour's land. At one point, the mouse called the Israeli a "terrorist."

"Farfour was martyred while defending his land," said Sara, the teen presenter. He was killed "by the killers of children," she added.

The weekly show, featuring a giant black-and-white rodent with a high-pitched voice, had attracted worldwide attention because the character urged Palestinian children to fight Israel. It was broadcast on Hamas-affiliated Al Aqsa TV.

Station officials said Friday that Farfour was taken off the air to make room for new programs. Station manager Mohammed Bilal said he did not know what would be shown instead.

Israeli officials have denounced the program, "Tomorrow's Pioneers," as incendiary and outrageous. The program was also opposed by the state-run Palestinian Broadcasting Corp., which is controlled by Fatah, Hamas' rival.

I wish I could really explain how this makes me feel. To me the fact that this is really the norm there shows how far apart peace really is.

[Infinite_Loser]

Wow... That's really fucked up.

[Willravel]

This isn't as fun without a video.

Yes, we live in a world where both children and adults are victims of propaganda. It shouldn't happen, but it does. I think a lot of people would be surprised how much of it goes on in the US and other western countries.

[Xazy]

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Sorry do not have the final episode one. But I am sure it will make the web.

[Willravel]

Yeesh. You'd think propaganda that overt would be useless, but then you look at Fox News and you see it works just fine.

[The_Jazz]

OK, are we pissed off that this is a Mickey Mouse clone or that they killed off a kid's TV character?

I don't think that I have any grounds to stand on to protest either one given that I hate Mickey Mouse and that I think some of the early South Park's are some of the funniest TV ever.

TV encouraged me to drop anvils on the heads of flightless dessert birds, but I've never done that.

[biznatch]

South Park might feature children in it, but its target audience is not kids.
This is obviously a TV show aimed towards kids, it demonizes Jewish people, not in a comedic fashion. It is presented more in an educational form.
I don't understand how you don't see the difference.

[Xazy]

Originally Posted by The_Jazz

OK, are we pissed off that this is a Mickey Mouse clone or that they killed off a kid's TV character?

I don't think that I have any grounds to stand on to protest either one given that I hate Mickey Mouse and that I think some of the early South Park's are some of the funniest TV ever.

TV encouraged me to drop anvils on the heads of flightless dessert birds, but I've never done that.

Wow I can not imagine a comparison between that and South Park. South Park is a comedy it mocks everything in life no religion no belief nothing is immune from its satire. And this is designed as a teaching tool, and it demonizes Israel, Jews, the west etc…

[Willravel]

OMG, what if it's satirical? What if it's so progressive, in making fun of the racism that they sometimes face from more fundamental elements of their society, that it's difficult to pick up on?

That'd be something.

[jorgelito]

Originally Posted by willravel

Yeesh. You'd think propaganda that overt would be useless, but then you look at Fox News and you see it works just fine.

And the Middle East......

But with Fox News, at least we have alternatives. No one forces us to watch it. I choose to watch Fox News every now and then just to see how they are thinking (got to see it before I criticize it).

But I wonder if the people over there have access to other stations? When I was traveling in the Middle East, especially in Egypt and the West Bank, I noticed that their choice of media was very limited. Mostly a few stations dedicated "propaganda". I asked the locals what was being broadcast and they said government propaganda like how Mubarek was making life better for everyone and how everything bad is the fault of the US and Israel. When I flipped through the channels, I saw mostly images of imams, masked men with weapons shouting, and things of that sort.

[The_Jazz]

Originally Posted by Xazy

Wow I can not imagine a comparison between that and South Park. South Park is a comedy it mocks everything in life no religion no belief nothing is immune from its satire. And this is designed as a teaching tool, and it demonizes Israel, Jews, the west etc…

My point is that TV taught the average American youngster all sorts of things that are bad if you stop to think about it. Scoobie Doo taught us that there was bravery in food, The Smurfs taught us about the ideal collective, Warner Brothers taught us that guns only inflict blackface and GI Joe taught us that it's possible to run through a hail of laser bolts and never get hit.

The Palestinians are propaganda amaturs. The Soviets could actually get things done, but I don't really see where this accomplishes much.

[Cynthetiq]

Originally Posted by The_Jazz

My point is that TV taught the average American youngster all sorts of things that are bad if you stop to think about it.

The operative words in that sentence "stop to think." It is apparent that many have not.

If we had some sort of KKK show that had some blackface character I think it would raise a few more hackles here.

[pan6467]

Originally Posted by The_Jazz

My point is that TV taught the average American youngster all sorts of things that are bad if you stop to think about it. Scoobie Doo taught us that there was bravery in food, The Smurfs taught us about the ideal collective, Warner Brothers taught us that guns only inflict blackface and GI Joe taught us that it's possible to run through a hail of laser bolts and never get hit.

No, tv taught me it was wrong to be racist and prejudiced, thank you All in the Family, Munsters, Happy Days, M*A*S*H, Barney Miller, Welcome Back Kotter, etc.

TV taught me that drugs will destroy your life.

TV taught me that it is necessary to be myself regardless of what others thought, thank you Mr. Rodgers, Electric Company, Sesame Street, the Muppets, Big Blue Marble, etc.

Tv reinforced what my parents tried to teach but had a hard time explaining to me.

If you watch a cartoon and decide as a kid to play with a gun because of the cartoons you watched and no one got hurt so guns don't hurt.... then your parents are to blame for not teaching you differently. I remember watching Bugs Bunny and Elmer and my mom and dad telling me, as early as I can remember, that guns killed people and that those were cartoons and funny, but not to try that.

If you are over 12 (and that's generous) and decide because the cartoons and tv showed the above and noone got hurt sooooo you could do those things.... then there was no hope for you to begin with and your parents weren't there in the least..... but it's a great defense for lawyers to try to get you out of a life's sentence.


I remember watching the 3 Stooges, Abbott and Costello, Martin and Lewis, etc. with my dad and he told me, they may look like they are hitting each other but they weren't, they were "playing". Wrestling, my dad said if they truly did those things to each other they would be killing each other....

I have plenty more examples, the point is, MY PARENTS WERE THERE HELPING TO GUIDE ME. They weren't lazy and expected others and tv to teach me, mom didn't have to work so that we could live, dad didn't have the stress of worrying about whether his job was safe or if he would lose it overseas..... etc etc.

Sorry, to threadjack but that statement really got my goat. I just very strongly disagree when people say "tv teaches all these evils and misconceptions." I get tired of people using entertainment examples as excuses for behaviors. Truth be told it wasn't the entertainment but the lack of even part time parenting skills from your parents or you were nuts to begin with and this was just the pc, socially ok, way to avoid your responsibility over your own actions.

[flat5]

The Palestinians are propaganda experts. They are liars.
There are videos of 3 year old girls reciting how the Jews killed Mohammad. Children are routinely taught that the Jews are responsible for everything wrong in their lives and they buy it!

What the P..ians tell their people and what they tell the rest of the world is not the same. How 'bout that?

[Cynthetiq]

Originally Posted by pan6467

Sorry, to threadjack but that statement really got my goat. I just very strongly disagree when people say "tv teaches all these evils and misconceptions."

But they do. that's the truth of the matter. You had someone telling you differently, some don't.

BUT, think of this then, it still happens in adult life. But you don't have your parents now telling you differently, and you may not have a pastor or religious leader telling you differently. You may think that it's okay and you can make your own decisions etc.

But it still affects your thoughts, I'm sure you've read the Mass Media Mind Control thread

[pan6467]

On topic after watching the videos all I can ask is: what's the difference between these and Pat Robertson's tv shows?

Granted it's not Sesame Street and it spews hatred but so do his shows and I am sure they use his shows to show their people "how evil we are."

[jorgelito]

Taken by itself, they are similar. But also, that show was directed at children while Pat Robertson is more of a general, adult audience (what child is going to sit still for Pat Robertson?).

However, the main difference is choice. We have a heck of a lot more choice of viewing material. Don't like Pat Robertson, switch the channel. More importantly, there are opposing viewpoints of Pat Robertson readily available.

But in many places, you only get one or a very limited amount of media, and thus, only on biased opinion.

If there was an opposing show, of fluffy bunnies saying how great the Jews were or what have you then it would be more balanced.

[Infinite_Loser]

Originally Posted by Cynthetiq

If we had some sort of KKK show that had some blackface character I think it would raise a few more hackles here.

Whaddya' mean 'if'?

[powerclown]

Looks goofy to me.

[biznatch]

Originally Posted by Infinite_Loser

Whaddya' mean 'if'?

OK, what show are you talking about? I'm not saying you're wrong, but I haven't heard of the show.

[The_Jazz]

Pan, you made some interesting comments. For every example that you gave of the positive messages you learned from TV, I came up with counterexamples, but I don't think those are very important in the greater sceme of things.

In the light of the Palestinian show, I think that the most important thing you said was mentioning parental guidance. If Palestinian parents are explaining their own thoughts on the issue, they either enforce or negate the possibilities of the propaganda. I think that's a huge part of this equation that we're missing, and we have no idea of its value.

[powerclown]

If Palestinian parents are explaining their own thoughts on the issue, they either enforce or negate the possibilities of the propaganda. I think that's a huge part of this equation that we're missing, and we have no idea of its value.

I think we have some idea of the impact of propaganda and parenting on Palestinean kids.

[The_Jazz]

powerclown - convince me that your link isn't anti-Palestinian propaganda.

[powerclown]

I think it speaks for itself, really. Thats the beauty of it...its there for all to witness.
Like Farfour.

[The_Jazz]

http://www.lies.com/wp/images/god_hates_fags.jpg

found by changing your google search to "American child abuse". How are these kids less representative of Americans than the other kids are of Palestinians? We're dealing with the kids of extremists here. Perhaps you think all Palestinians are extremists - is that so?

[powerclown]

We're dealing with the kids of extremists here.

More like kids of certified government officials now.

Its funny that our cultural dominance is so complete that they have to use one of our own cultural symbols to get people to watch their propaganda.